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PLEASE NOTE: The Reality TV World Message Boards are filled with desperate
attention-seekers pretending to be one big happy PG/PG13-rated family. Don't
be fooled. Trying to get everyone to agree with you is like herding cats,
but intolerance for other viewpoints is NOT welcome and respect for other
posters IS required at all times. Jump in and play, and you'll soon find out
how easy it is to fit in, but save your drama for your mama. All members are
encouraged to read the
complete guidelines.
As entertainment critic Roger
Ebert once said, "If you disagree with something I write, tell me so, argue
with me, correct me--but don't tell me to shut up. That's not the American way."
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"Permission needed to do a song?"
DonnaLynn 582 desperate attention whore postings
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05-11-05, 02:57 PM (EST)
 
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"Permission needed to do a song?" |
Do the producers of AI need permission in order for the Idols to sing the songs they do each week? I saw Kenny Chesney in concert on Friday night and he sand "Hurts so good" by John Mellencamp with Gretchen Wilson. My husband swears that he would have needed permission to do that song. I say he doesn't because as long as he's not recording it and selling it that it isn't copyright infringment. There are 100's of bands in little dives across the country and all they do are "cover" songs. They get paid to sing but don't need permission to do any of those songs. That comes back to AI... If they aren't recording the songs and aren't using them for sale, do they need permission from each record label or is anything fair game??? Thanks! --Donna :~)
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kahanasunset 466 desperate attention whore postings
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05-11-05, 03:02 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Permission needed to do a song?" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-11-05 AT 03:08 PM (EST)Hi DonnaLynn. The short answer is yes, yes and yes. Couple years ago a good friend's husband, who is in a very good bluegrass/country band, had a 5-yr-long ongoing Fri. nite gig at a pizza parlor in San Marcos, California. Suddenly a guy comes in and charges the owner over $5K in back royalties and wants future ones. End of long-term gig. (The owner's cheap.) There are always royalties and permissions involved at the television and concert and radio levels, and if they can get you for more lowly ones, they will (and can). 
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cambo 286 desperate attention whore postings
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05-11-05, 03:15 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Permission needed to do a song?" |
In the case of American Idol, they have to get clearance from the songwriter and publisher of each song.When Kenny Chesney performed Hurts So Good, a fee had to be paid to the songwriter and publisher of the song. Even when you're watching a TV show and they play a song in the background or even sing "Happy Birthday To You" the songwriter and publisher are getting paid.
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tamarama 1785 desperate attention whore postings
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05-11-05, 03:55 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Permission needed to do a song?" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-11-05 AT 03:57 PM (EST)re: bands & singers in clubs, karaoke, cabaret, etc. Any restaurant, bar, theater, etc. has to pay for an ASCAP or BMI license which covers performances like these. They even need to have these licenses to play CDs, the radio or have a juke box. A place can get in trouble if they're caught with music playing & no license. a side note:
In a cabaret setting, you can put together a show & have it covered by the blanket license UNLESS you feature over a certain number (I don't know what it is) of songs by one artist -- then it becomes a musical revue and you have to get specific permission from the artist's controlling agency to do a show. (edited for clarity)
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tamarama 1785 desperate attention whore postings
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05-17-05, 04:23 PM (EST)
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12. "I think you were misled..." |
>>we were told that copyrights expire after 20 years<<I'm no expert on copyright law, but 20 yrs sounds WAY too short. The Beatles catalog is over 30 years old, but Mr. Jackson still owns it. (I think - doesn't he? Someone does.) I know there's something about things written or published before 1924 or thereabouts... And something about 70 years after the author's death... Plus, copyrights are frequently renewed, sometimes in perpetuity. (eg: "Peter Pan" is forever owned by a Children's Hospital in London because the author willed it to them) Of course, none of this means you & your band were breaking any laws...I'm sure whatever venue you played in had ASCAP/BMI licenses.
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cambo 286 desperate attention whore postings
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05-18-05, 02:45 AM (EST)
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13. "RE: Permission needed to do a song?" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-18-05 AT 02:48 AM (EST)I looked this up...
Most copyrights and patents have a finite term; when this expires, the work or invention is released into public domain. In most of the world, patents expire 20 years after they are filed. Trademarks expire soon after the mark becomes a generic term. Copyrights are more complex; generally, they expire in all countries (except Colombia, Guatemala, Mexico, and Samoa) when all of the following conditions are satisfied:
* The work was created and first published before January 1, 1923, or at least 95 years before January 1 of the current year, whichever is later.
* The last surviving author died at least 70 years before January 1 of the current year.
* No Berne Convention signatory has passed a perpetual copyright on the work.
* Neither the United States nor the European Union has passed a copyright term extension since these conditions were last updated. (This must be a condition because the exact numbers in the other conditions depend on the state of the law at any given moment.)
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