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"The ratings..."
...are not starting out well. The source is a little dubious -- morning after and may not include all markets -- but I heard 6.2 for the first half-hour and a solid knockout by CSI and -- sheesh -- SuperNanny -- from 10 p.m. on. BluePeeps, confirm/deny?
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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: The ratings... Ricky 03-08-05 1
   RE: The ratings... Estee 03-08-05 2
 RE: The ratings... ladro 03-08-05 3
   RE: The ratings... Smooth23 03-08-05 4
       RE: The ratings... ladro 03-08-05 5
           RE: The ratings... Smooth23 03-08-05 7
   RE: The ratings... Captain_Savem 03-08-05 8
 RE: The ratings... SurvivorBlows 03-08-05 6
   RE: The ratings... Smooth23 03-08-05 9
       RE: The ratings... Flairmarq 03-08-05 10
       RE: The ratings... SilverStar 03-08-05 11
           RE: The ratings... Smooth23 03-08-05 12
               RE: The ratings... SilverStar 03-08-05 14
           RE: The ratings... SurvivorBlows 03-08-05 13
               RE: The ratings... Bucky Katt 03-08-05 15
                   RE: The ratings... Flairmarq 03-08-05 16
                       RE: The ratings... SurvivorBlows 03-08-05 17
 Story AyaK 03-09-05 18

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03-08-05, 10:20 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: The ratings..."
You're not jinxing this show into extinction too are you ?

I want to see who wins...

please...


How about jinxing Survivor, that show was over three seasons ago.

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2. "RE: The ratings..."
Excuse you? I'm just the reporter here. I was listening to Howard for a few minutes and he was discussing the ratings, probably because he had the host on yesterday and was curious about how it worked out. And yes, I watched the thing, but that doesn't mean anything here. I watch Survivor and The Apprentice too, and nothing happens.

In fact, I haven't made Markie-Mark cry since A Certain Show That Will Summon Fishercat If Its Name Is Mentioned. And that was a mercy killing.

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3. "RE: The ratings..."
The main reason I watched it was because it was on after Fear Factor Twins. I don't understand the target market for this show. Boxing just isn't that popular. Men tend not to watch Reality TV unless there is some T&A. I don't think that women are going to watch such an esoteric show unless there are some traditional educated, sophisticated model types to pine for. yes I am a chavanist.

I think the premise of the show would have been more interesting if the losing team had been forced to select two of it's own memebers to fight.

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4. "RE: The ratings..."
Boxing isn't that popular? Are you insane!?
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03-08-05, 01:25 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: The ratings..."
Yes, I am insane. What does that have to do with the unpopularity of Boxing?
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03-08-05, 01:32 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: The ratings..."
I'm just saying, boxing is popular. There's tons of people that watch it.
Now excuse me while I go call the men in the clean white coats..
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8. "RE: The ratings..."
I think the premise of the show would have been more interesting if the losing team had been forced to select two of it's own memebers to fight.

That's a great idea. Because what is the reward in winning a challenge? You get to chose who you're going to fight? Not much of a reward if you ask me. The losing team should have to fight their own.


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03-08-05, 01:30 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: The ratings..."
LAST EDITED ON 03-08-05 AT 01:44 PM (EST)

> BluePeeps, confirm/deny?

Well, CSI: Miami did woop its butt, but I think that was to be expected. My quick comments about the ratings based on a review of Nielsen's Primetime Preliminary Fast National Data: (so these numbers are likely to change, although they are national numbers)

First, the half-hour breakdowns in viewers, Adults 18-49, ADults 18-34, Men 18-34, and Women 18-34:

09:30-10: 8,972 - 4.3/10 - 4.3/11 - 4.0/12 - 4.5/11
10-10:30: 7,798 - 3.9/09 - 3.9 10 - 4.3/13 - 3.5/08
10:30-11: 8,423 - 4.2/11 - 4.3 12 - 5.0/15 - 3.6/09

The show started out strong, then tailed off, then came back, but not back over it's original numbers, which typically isn't a good sign, although the post-10PM hour (when viewership drops) is likely a factor there.

More interesting was the shows performance at 9:30PM and with WOMEN and YOUNGER VIEWERS.

At 9:30, Contender finished 3rd in viewers and 3rd in Adults 18-49, but FIRST in Adults 18-34, Persons 12-34 (can't call a 12-year-old an adult), Females 12-24 (you also can't consider them a woman), Women 18-34, Males 12-34 (or a man), and Men 18-34. A lot of that was no doubt due to the Fear Factor lead-in -- a show that appeals mostly to youth of both sexes -- but that was still promising.

The news wasn't so good at 10PM however. The Contender still managed to finish first among Men 18-34 in the 10PM hour and the tiniest sliver behind CSI in Males 12-34, as well as ahead of Supernanny for 2nd in Adults 18-49 and Adults 18-34, but Supernanny and CSI stole most of the female viewers, dropping it to a distant third behind both of the female-skewing shows in the female demos and third (although not by a lot) in total viewers (Supernanny did 8,579/9,355 in the half-hour periods.).

Also noteworthy is that its Fear Factor lead-in also kinda sucked, averaging only about 8.2 million viewers in its first hour (before Contender seekers began tuning in at 9PM and jumped its viewership to 10.6 million) so that was also a significant factor in Contender's performance.

Personally I'm expecting better numbers for Thursday's post Apprentice broadcast -- just like how Fox's House series suddenly went from nearly DOA to "smash hit" once it started airing post-Idol, The Contender's second episode numbers should be helped enormously by the fact that Apprentice will be delivering nearly twice the number of Fear Factor viewers as it's Thursday lead-in.

The last time an original episode of Medium, NBC's new normal 10PM, faced an original CSI episode was on 2/14/05, when Medium also had a significantly stronger original Las Vegas episode (averaging about 12 million viewers) as its lead-in. Medium did do much better than Contender on that night, averaging about 14.6 million viewers but still second to CSI's 19 million (a number that climbed to about 21.3 million last night with the broadcast of an original February sweeps episode that CBS had intentionally held back from last week in an attempt to counterprogram against The Contender.)

(and speaking of the power of lead-ins, every critic on the planet seems to have conveniently forgotten about Apprentice's loss of Friends as a lead-in when writing their "Apprentice's ratings are down" stories, but that's a subject for another post.)

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03-08-05, 01:50 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: The ratings..."
Contender is getting ER's timeslot? It should do well on thursday at 10. Not much competition except without a trace. Glad they are moving it from monday, theres too much stuff on monday already to add another show to the mix.
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10. "RE: The ratings..."
In our market, "24" was on during "The Contender", so what Einstein in programing at NBC schedualed it that way was lousy. But there is some good news. Fear Factor's season is over, which will shift "The Contender" to a better time slot. I had a problem because I was watching Monday Night Raw during this time slot, so I was flipping back and forth. What is kinda funny is The Ultimate Fighter is on the same night as "The Contender", so I can really get my testosterone fix Monday night.

Any word if "The Next Great Champ" won their lawsuit against "The Contender"?

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03-08-05, 02:16 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: The ratings..."
Actually, I think the Thursday at 10 timeslot is just for this week. If I'm not mistaken, the regular time will be Sundays at 8. This week is like a crazy Contender bonanza with them airing 3 epidoes in one week. They need to pick a spot and leave it there. I hate when they move shows all around. I confuse easily.


Syren? she awesome.

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03-08-05, 02:21 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: The ratings..."
Ack I hope they don't put it on sunday at 8, I hate shows that play on the weekends. Its so hard to remember to set my vcr to tape it.
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03-08-05, 02:57 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: The ratings..."
I like the Sunday at 8 time slot, provided that the show is just an hour long. I don't want it interfering with my Desperate Housewives at 9.


Syren? she awesome.

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03-08-05, 02:32 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: The ratings..."
LAST EDITED ON 03-08-05 AT 02:33 PM (EST)

>Actually, I think the Thursday at 10 timeslot is just for
>this week. If I'm not mistaken, the regular time will
>be Sundays at 8.

That's correct -- neither last night's time period or Thursday's slot is the show's "regular" time period. The show will air Sundays at 8PM versus CBS's Cold Case, ABC's Extreme Makeover Home Edition, etc. -- NBC has been billing this week's two broadcasts as "special previews."

It bounced around a lot before premiering:

http://www.realitytvworld.com/index/articles/story.php?s=3234

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03-08-05, 03:15 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: The ratings..."
I'll be taping it then (if I continue watching at all) as The Simpsons and Arrested Development are two of the funniest shows on TV during that hour.

Depriving the public of my talent is letting the terrorists win.

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03-08-05, 03:24 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: The ratings..."
It makes a huge amount of difference if its Sunday, because you get a lot of men without something to watch then, but hopefully March Madness doesn't mess things up.

Let's hope it doesn'r challenge Alias though. I think sex sells more than violence.

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03-08-05, 03:29 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: The ratings..."
>Let's hope it doesn'r challenge Alias
>though. I think sex sells
>more than violence.

Alias hasn't aired on Sundays in nearly a year -- ABC held it back until midseason this year and then started airing it in The Bachelor's Wednesday 9Pm (post-Lost) time period when it came back in January.

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18. "Story"
http://www.realitytvworld.com/index/articles/story.php?s=3301

Since ad prices are generally based upon A18-49 ratings, that's what most reality TV ratings stories focus on.... but in this case, there was a clear split between M18-34 and other viewing groups.

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