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Labyrinth 1248 desperate attention whore postings
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10-14-05, 08:44 PM (EST)
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"Define a "Woman of Honor""
I have a problem with this goal for Christina and it comes from what I think a 'woman of honor' actually is. Let me explain... If IV had said "living your life honorably" I would think that could be an achievable goal, but to BE a Woman of Honor takes time.

To me a Woman of Honor -

-Lives her life with Integrity. She is not swayed by the day's opinion or the judgement of others.

-Examins herself honestly. She knows where she comes from and why. She understands and admits her own faults while continually striving to be a better person.

-Is recognized by those around her, both friends and enemies, that her code is honorable, fair and just. She does not let bias sway her.

- Is tolerant and understanding of other people's differences without feeling the need to condemn or make herself be liked for being liked.

- Feels secure within herself to the point obe able to stand up and be an individual without imposing herself upon others.

This is JMO. Do I live up to my own standards? Some days. And some days not. This goal is too big for Christina --- maybe living her life honorably, day by day, would have been better.

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: Define a "Woman of Honor" Sharon_L 10-14-05 1
   RE: Define a "Woman of Honor" GreenSideUp 10-15-05 2
       RE: Define a "Woman of Honor" Labyrinth 10-15-05 3
   RE: Define a "Woman of Honor" Labyrinth 10-15-05 4
       RE: Define a "Woman of Honor" atzd 10-16-05 5
           RE: Define a "Woman of Honor" Labyrinth 10-16-05 6
               RE: Define a "Woman of Honor" GreenSideUp 10-16-05 7
                   RE: Define a "Woman of Honor" Sharon_L 10-16-05 8
           RE: Define a "Woman of Honor" kcoxe 10-16-05 11
               RE: Define a "Woman of Honor" Cleverone 10-16-05 15
                   RE: Define a "Woman of Honor" Labyrinth 10-16-05 16
                       RE: Define a "Woman of Honor" PrincessBride 10-16-05 17
       RE: Define a "Woman of Honor" kcoxe 10-16-05 13
 RE: Define a "Woman of Honor" EdifiedwithLove 10-16-05 9
   RE: Define a "Woman of Honor" GreenSideUp 10-16-05 10
       RE: Define a "Woman of Honor" EdifiedwithLove 10-16-05 12
           RE: Define a "Woman of Honor" GreenSideUp 10-16-05 14

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Sharon_L 260 desperate attention whore postings
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10-14-05, 10:38 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Define a "Woman of Honor""
I agree. 'Honorably' would have been a more realistic goal.
And Legally, too.

Hard to really know what laws she's broken to justify surviving.

I think step one should have had to do with something more positive and life-altering. The street assignment was a waste.

She needs to get back in school and learn a skill otherwise I feel she's going to land right back out on the streets.

And one thing that bothers me...
why in world did they put a picture up of her son??? Poor kid. What a way to learn his mommy was a hooker which will probably be from the neighbors or his schoolmates. cruel!

Something isn't adding up with Christina.

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10-15-05, 05:54 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Define a "Woman of Honor""
LAST EDITED ON 10-15-05 AT 05:56 PM (EST)

I don't think it's fair to say she was on the streets. It is so much easier to convince yourself it's ok when the trick starts out as a date, wines & dines you all dressed up, entertains you and everything is all posh and luxurious. Quite a different environment from "the streets". I think she has a much better chance of succeeding because she knows how to behave in that company.

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10-15-05, 10:42 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Define a "Woman of Honor""
Ah I guess I misunderstood -- didn't Christina Pole Dance? Wasn't she a stripper? I guess it would be hard to jump from taking your clothes off to going to dinner and not expecting sexual acts....

I remember when I went to watch male strippers for a woman's birthday. After the show, outside the door they selected who they were going off with from the audience. It was all understood.

I think Christina knew that a "dinner date" was a pay off.

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10-15-05, 10:44 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Define a "Woman of Honor""
>why in world did they put
>a picture up of her
>son??? Poor kid.
>What a way to learn
>his mommy was a hooker
>which will probably be from
>the neighbors or his schoolmates.
> cruel!
>
>Something isn't adding up with Christina.
>
>
>

I've said it before and I'll say it again... Christina allowed herself OR was hustling herself when she put her son's photo on television. Unfortunately, I don't think Christina is as smart as hustling as she likes to think and was hustled by the SO production team who wanted the drama of the kids' face. She'll find out when she returns home what a big mistake that was.

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10-16-05, 02:19 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: Define a "Woman of Honor""
I don't know, there are a gazillion kids out there, and they all look the same to me. Well, not exactly, but you get the jist of it. I don't think putting the photo up was a big deal.
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10-16-05, 08:51 AM (EST)
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6. "RE: Define a "Woman of Honor""
You've seen the attitudes of people on this board about Christina, TJ and Lisa. If someone watching the show recognized the child as one that went to their own daycare or school, trust me word would get out about what his mother did for a living. Often you don't know the moms of other children but you would recognize the child!

The face may seem like a hundred other children to you - but other people who know the child will put two and two together.

Have you ever been the victim of gossip? Christina has opened the door for her child to be harrassed, bullied, called names and for her past to be told to her child at his young age. And he is obviously less then 10 years of age.

Amber Frey, Scott Petersons, mistress had to remove her son from his daycare because of her public admission. Scott Peterson's sister had her two children harrassed and bullied in school so badly that she had to remove them. This was a murder case, but I also think it is valid in how people will attack another when they feel self-righteous.

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10-16-05, 09:23 AM (EST)
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7. "RE: Define a "Woman of Honor""
If she had wanted it to be secret, she wouldn't be on TV in the first place. Lots of us have issues, but really it's only a small percentage that will offer it up on TV. It's like deciding to be an entertainer. You forfeit your family's privacy as well. This is a decision she made before her son's picture was shown.
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10-16-05, 10:58 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: Define a "Woman of Honor""
Whether it be with the permission of a cast member or not, no minor's pictures should be shown on television. They could have easily blurred the face.

Christina nor SOH had any moral right to 'forfeit' the privacy of child. It's just common sense one doesn't plaster photographs of children on television unless, of course, they're missing, or in show business.

I believe Christina will indeed come to regret this.

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10-16-05, 12:37 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Define a "Woman of Honor""
>I don't know, there are a
>gazillion kids out there, and
>they all look the same
>to me. Well, not
>exactly, but you get the
>jist of it. I
>don't think putting the photo
>up was a big deal.
>


How long was the picture shown? A split second? I couldn't identify him again if my life depended on it. I think many people are making much ado about nothing.

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10-16-05, 04:05 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Define a "Woman of Honor""
LAST EDITED ON 10-16-05 AT 04:07 PM (EST)

>>I don't know, there are a
>>gazillion kids out there, and
>>they all look the same
>>to me. Well, not
>>exactly, but you get the
>>jist of it. I
>>don't think putting the photo
>>up was a big deal.
>>
>
>
>How long was the picture shown?
> A split second?
>I couldn't identify him again
>if my life depended on
>it. I think many people
>are making much ado about
>nothing.

Maybe the wording doesn't suit some, but I believe the intent is the same...for Christina to live an honorable life....who are we to decide (as Labyrinth would have it) that a goal of a HG is "too big" for them ....I think this is a little presumptious.(JMHO)

.....And I have to agree with you kcoxe...my sentiments exactly...and for all we know, this may not have even been a picture of her child.


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10-16-05, 05:23 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: Define a "Woman of Honor""
LAST EDITED ON 10-16-05 AT 05:24 PM (EST)

So if it was the photo of an actor, portraying Christina's child that would be okay? weird...

Again, it doesn't matter if you did not recognize the child. What if someone at that child's school, Cub Scout meeting, etc... recognized that child? You mean to tell me that you would have no problem with your child doing a sleepover at the house of a mom who was a whore? You would let Christina pick up and drive your child to a playdate at the local McDonalds even though she has a former John mailing a package to her at an undisclosed address?

With Tivo and VCR that image can be played for as long as you can hold the pause button.

Reality television - put your child on television and let the world know that you were a whore. I don't consider this the step of a Woman of Honor.

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10-16-05, 05:41 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: Define a "Woman of Honor""
Hi Lab, I agree with you. She should NOT have shown a photo of her son. One thing is her appearing on National TV and putting herself out there as fair game, but she should have thought about protecting her child's privacy. After all it's not like she is there to find his biological father or some valid reason for showing his photo; she's there to reform from a life of lying, stealing, prostituting, hustling, escorting, stripping and heaven only knows what else. Up until a month before she came to "star" in the house she was still a HOOKER in Las Vegas with 1000 + Johns according to her. Say if one of them watching is disgruntled with her especially if they see her on the show talking about her "boo-boos" with Iyanla and how she used them being they were fat losers who she swindled for $1,500 dollars. One of them might think she's talking about them. Every night when she was turning high priced tricks did she really have her son's safety and welfare first and foremost on her priority list? Christina is not about protecting her child --she's all about herself, her ego, her pride and her greed.
Good point about the John tracking her down at the house and sending her a package. I don't think Christina has her child's safety in mind now nor did she when she was hooking.
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10-16-05, 01:16 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Define a "Woman of Honor""
>>why in world did they put
>>a picture up of her
>>son??? Poor kid.
>>What a way to learn
>>his mommy was a hooker
>>which will probably be from
>>the neighbors or his schoolmates.
>> cruel!
>>
>>Something isn't adding up with Christina.
>>
>>
>>
>
>I've said it before and I'll
>say it again... Christina allowed
>herself OR was hustling herself
>when she put her son's
>photo on television. Unfortunately, I
>don't think Christina is as
>smart as hustling as she
>likes to think and was
>hustled by the SO production
>team who wanted the drama
>of the kids' face. She'll
>find out when she returns
>home what a big mistake
>that was.

I didn't receive any drama from seeing the childs face. If that was the motive, it failed.

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10-16-05, 12:27 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Define a "Woman of Honor""

The Awakening

There comes a time in your life when you finally get it... When in the midst of all your fears and insanity you stop dead in your tracks and somewhere the voice inside your head cries out- ENOUGH! Enough fighting and crying or struggling to hold on. And, like a child quieting down after a blind tantrum, your sobs begin to subside, you shudder once or twice, you blink back your tears and through a mantle of wet lashes you begin to look at the world from a new prospective. This is your awakening.


You realize that it is time to stop hoping and waiting for something, or someone, to change or for happiness, safety and security to come galloping over the next horizon. You come to terms with the fact that there aren’t always fairytale endings (or beginnings for that matter) and that any guarantee of "happily ever after" must begin with you. Then a sense of serenity is born of acceptance.


So you begin making your way through the “reality of today” rather than holding out for the “promise of tomorrow.” You realize that much of who you are, and the way you navigate through life is, in great part, a result of all the social conditioning you’ve received over the course of a lifetime. And you begin to sift through all the nonsense you were taught about:


­ how you should look and how much you should weigh

­ what you should wear and where you should shop

­ where you should live or what type of car your should drive

­ who you should sleep with and how you should behave

­ who you should marry and why you should stay

­ the importance of bearing children or what you owe your family


Slowly you begin to open up to new worlds and different points of view. And you begin reassessing and redefining who you are and what you really believe in. And you begin to discard the doctrines you have outgrown, or should never have practiced to begin with.


You accept the fact that you are not perfect and that not everyone will love, appreciate or approve of who or what you are... and that’s OK... they are entitled to their own views and opinions. And, you come to terms with the fact that you will never be a size 5 or a “perfect 10”.... Or a perfect human being for that matter... and you stop trying to compete with the image inside your head or agonizing over how you compare. And, you make peace with the woman in the mirror and you learn to give her the same unconditional love and support you give so freely to others. Then a sense of confidence is born of self-approval.


And, you stop maneuvering through life merely as a “consumer” hungry for your next fix, a new dress, another pair of shoes or looks of approval and admiration from family, friends or even strangers who pass by. Then you discover that “it is truly in giving that we receive<1>”... and that the joy and abundance you seek grows out of the giving. And you recognize the importance of “creating” & “contributing” rather than “obtaining” & “accumulating.”


And you give thanks for the simple things you’ve been blessed with, things that millions of people upon the earth can only dream about a full refrigerator, clean running water, a soft warm bed, the freedom of choice and the opportunity to pursue your own dreams.


And you begin to love and to care for yourself. You stop engaging in self-destructive behaviors including participating in dysfunctional relationships. You begin eating a balanced diet, drinking more water and exercising. And because you’ve learned that fatigue drains the spirit and creates doubt and fear you give yourself permission to rest. And just as food is fuel for the body, laughter is fuel for the spirit and so you make it a point to create time for play.


Then you learn about love and relationships, how to love, how much to give in love, when to stop giving and when to walk away. And you allow only the hands of a lover who truly loves and respects you to glorify you with his touch. You learn that people don’t always say what they mean or mean what they say, intentionally or unintentionally and that not everyone will always come through and interestingly enough, it’s not always about you. So, you stop lashing out and pointing fingers or looking to place blame for the things that were done to you or weren’t done for you. And you learn to keep your Ego in check and to acknowledge and redirect the destructive emotions it spawns; anger, jealousy and resentment.


You learn how to say I was wrong and to forgive people for their own human frailties. You learn to build bridges instead of walls and about the healing power of love as it is expressed through a kind word, a warm smile or a friendly gesture. And, at the same time, you eliminate any relationships that are hurtful or fail to uplift and edify you. You stop working so hard at smoothing things over and setting your needs aside. You learn that feelings of entitlement are perfectly OK and that it is your right to want or expect certain things. And you learn the importance of communicating your needs with confidence and grace. You learn that the only cross to bear is the one you choose to carry and that eventually martyrs are burned at the stake. Then you learn to distinguish between guilt, and responsibility and the importance of setting boundaries and learning to Say NO. You learn that you don’t know all the answers, it’s not your job to save the world and that sometimes you just need to Let Go.


Moreover, you learn to look at people as they really are and not as you want them to be and you are careful not to project your neediness or insecurities onto a relationship. You learn that you will not be, more beautiful, more intelligent, more lovable or important because of the man on your arm or the child that bears your name. You learn that just as people grow and change, so it is with love and relationships and that that not everyone can always love you the way you would want them to. And you stop appraising your worth by the measure of love you are given. And suddenly you realize that it’s wrong to demand that someone live their life or sacrifice their dreams just to serve your needs, ease your insecurities, or meet “your” standards and expectations. You learn that the only love worth giving and receiving is the love that is given freely without conditions or limitations. And you learn what it means to love. So you stop trying to control people, situations and outcomes. You learn that “alone” does not mean “lonely” and you begin to discover the joy of spending time “with yourself” and “on yourself.” Then you discover the greatest and most fulfilling love you will ever know. Self Love. And so, it comes to pass that through understanding your heart heals; and now all new things are possible.


Moving along, you begin to avoid toxic people and conversations. And you stop wasting time and energy rehashing your situation with family and friends. You learn that talk doesn’t change things and that unrequited wishes can only serve to keep you trapped in the past. So you stop lamenting over what could or should have been and you make a decision to leave the past behind. Then you begin to invest your time and energy to affect positive change. You take a personal inventory of all your strengths and weaknesses and the areas you need to improve in order to move ahead, you set your goals and map out a plan of action to see things through.


You learn that life isn’t always fair and you don’t always get what you think you deserve and you stop personalizing every loss or disappointment. You learn to accept that sometimes bad things happen to good people and that these things are not an act of God... but merely a random act of fate.


And you stop looking for guarantees because you’ve learned that the only thing you can really count on is the unexpected and that whatever happens, you’ll learn to deal with it. And you learn that the only thing you must truly fear is the great robber baron of all time FEAR itself. So you learn to step right into and through your fears because to give into fear is to give away the right to live life on your terms. You learn that much of life truly is a self-fulfilling prophesy and you learn to go after what you want and not to squander your life living under a cloud of indecision or feelings of impending doom.


Then, YOU LEARN ABOUT MONEY... the personal power and independence it brings and the options it creates. And you recognize the necessity to create your own personal wealth. Slowly, you begin to take responsibility for yourself by yourself and you make yourself a promise to never betray yourself and to never ever settle for less than your heart’s desire. And a sense of power is born of self-reliance. And you live with honor and integrity because you know that these principles are not the outdated ideals of a by-gone era but the mortar that holds together the foundation upon which you must build your life. And you make it a point to keep smiling, to keep trusting and to stay open to every wonderful opportunity and exciting possibility. Then you hang a wind chime outside your window to remind yourself what beauty there is in Simplicity.


Finally, with courage in your heart and with God by your side you take a stand, you FAKE a deep breath and you begin to design the life you want to live as best as you can.


A word about the Power of Prayer: In some of my darkest, most painful and frightening hours, I have prayed not for the answers to my prayers or for material things but for my “God” to help me find the strength, confidence and courage to persevere; to face each day and to do what I must do.


Remember this: “You are an expression of the almighty. The spirit resides within you and moves through you. Open your heart, speak to that spirit and it will heal and empower you.”


My “God” has never failed me.

I strive to be a "Woman of Honor".


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10. "RE: Define a "Woman of Honor""
Nice but let's not assume that everyone believes in God or that they believe in the same God you do. It's a great big world out here.
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12. "RE: Define a "Woman of Honor""
Thanks

I know that and everyone has their definition of a "woman of honor" and I was only sharing with everyone what inspires me to be that woman.

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Sorry bout that, it threw me when you used "you" instead of "me".
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