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survivorscott 2191 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator" 03-04-04, 00:26 AM (EST) "Do you listen to Simon?" I think as much as everyone likes to bash Simon he really does have a lot of influence on people and their votes. at least twice this season I think he has convinced people to vote the way they did by what he says. I think both john stevens (red) and Camile Velasco (miss potential) both made it through based on what he said about them. i don't think either one was particularly the best or even in the top two of their evenings. Come in a stranger,leave a little stranger   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: Do you listen to Simon? frisky 03-04-04 1  Yeah, I listen... Goooey_Alley 03-04-04 2    RE: Yeah, I listen... ManilaESQ 03-04-04 3    RE: Yeah, I listen... EnglProf 03-04-04 4        RE: Yeah, I listen... lyrker 03-04-04 15        RE: Yeah, I listen... drooler 03-08-04 18  Simon listens to me TeamJoisey 03-04-04 5    RE: Simon listens to me Breezy 03-04-04 8    RE: Simon listens to me EnglProf 03-04-04 11    RE: Simon listens to me anotherkim 03-04-04 13    RE: Simon listens to me goDAWful 03-10-04 20        RE: Simon listens to me greenmonstah 03-10-04 23  RE: Do you listen to Simon? dangerkitty 03-04-04 6    RE: Do you listen to Simon? nailbone 03-04-04 9  I find myself moonbaby 03-04-04 7    RE: I find myself ginger 03-04-04 10  RE: Do you listen to Simon? Jethro 03-04-04 12    RE: Do you listen to Simon? MTW1961 03-04-04 14  Sometimes I agree with him Tiger Lily 03-05-04 16    RE: Sometimes I agree with him managerr 03-08-04 17  RE: Do you listen to Simon? Femme 03-09-04 19    RE: Do you listen to Simon? tig_ger 03-10-04 21    RE: Do you listen to Simon? goDAWful 03-10-04 22

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frisky 11695 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-04-04, 00:36 AM (EST) 1. "RE: Do you listen to Simon?" I think the same thing happened with Jasmine. I've also seen the public go the other way, though. If Simon picks on someone *really* bad, they tend to get a sympathy vote. I think this is more prevalent in the finals. I find I agree with Simon when he's putting people down. He was dead-on about ugly-singing-girl. Card-carrying RBBRTFHLA/Sugar Ho Division Non-Embezzling GAWKUR Treasurer   Top

Goooey_Alley 425 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 03-04-04, 02:35 AM (EST) 2. "Yeah, I listen..." 'cause he made more sense than the other two. Though he is harsh, he really said it all. He knew that John Stevens had a large fanbase. I would love to see John Stevens make a fool of himself with his Frank Sinatra immitation voice and droopy (yuck) eyes, in the next round. Seems too transparent that I hate John Stevens! Hope there will be a John-Stevens-Bashers Forum here! Peace!   Top

ManilaESQ 48 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 03-04-04, 02:54 AM (EST) 3. "RE: Yeah, I listen..." It's either you're correct that Simon can influence the viewers or it's simply a matter of Simon having a taste similar to most viewers.   Top

EnglProf 888 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 03-04-04, 12:22 PM (EST) 4. "RE: Yeah, I listen..." If you make a John Stevens bashing thread on here I will be your worst enemy. John hasn't made a fool of himself yet, and I don't see it happening anytime soon. He's got a fabulous voice. The fact that others have come before him (like Frank Sinatra) doesn't make his voice any less pure and mellifluous!   Top

lyrker 203 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 03-04-04, 08:19 PM (EST) 15. "RE: Yeah, I listen..." The fact that others have come before him (like Frank Sinatra) doesn't make his voice any less pure and mellifluous! I thought from the moment I heard his (John) voice that he sounded a lot like Bing Crosby, who I always loved. I think John will be truly great in 15 years. He was a favorite of mine entering the final 36. That said, I didn't vote for him. I just didn't think he showed a real good range when he sang his song last night. Neither of the folks I voted for got through (though Suzy's getting the come-back chance so Yay!). I listen to Simon. Sometimes I agree with what he's saying. A lot of the time I agree with what he isn't saying. But I rarely let any of the judges' opinions influence my decision. I let the contestants do all that work themselves. *** "Live every day as if it were your last, because one of these days, it will be." - Jeremy Schwartz   Top

drooler 67 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 03-08-04, 01:39 PM (EST) 18. "RE: Yeah, I listen..." I like John very much. I loved Clay Aiken when Simon was busy saying he was too "Broadway Musical" (I was think Frank Sinatra at the time--Guys and Dolls) as well. But I think by pushing Clay into the pop idol mold they spoiled what made him great. Does anyone think that maybe the success of folks like John and Clay points to a genuine need for the next Frank or Bing??   Top

TeamJoisey 3558 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 03-04-04, 12:22 PM (EST) 5. "Simon listens to me" I don't think I'm influenced by Simon. I usually offer comments at home before he does, often before the singer finishes. I'm relieved there is someone on that panel who sees the same thing I do. There is potential in some of these people, despite bad performances. And there is no potential in someone who has peaked in a so-so performance. Simon is brutal in his assessments, but I rarely disagree. Paula is the one who makes me insane. But that's the format: a "good cop - bad cop - police dawg" panel. John Stevens can't win, but I'd buy his album.   Top

Breezy 18380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-04-04, 01:20 PM (EST) 8. "RE: Simon listens to me" *nodding* Me too. Sorry John.   Top

EnglProf 888 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 03-04-04, 02:40 PM (EST) 11. "RE: Simon listens to me" But that's the format: a "good cop - bad cop - police dawg" panel Hilarious! ROTFL!   Top

anotherkim 14420 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-04-04, 07:26 PM (EST) 13. "RE: Simon listens to me" Yup....I think he has, almost without fail, nailed everyone of the sucky performances. Ugly-face girl WAS ugly. Tiara was all over th place. Model girl's mouth was EFREAKINGNORMOUS and she was horrible. He can be cruel in a sense, yes, but he honest, which is more than you can say for Paula Flip Flop. She's only negative or "constructive" when Randy leads in. It's like she has no mind of her own. --I did not care for Camille, though, I thought he totally overrated her.   Top

goDAWful 34 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 03-10-04, 05:52 PM (EST) 20. "RE: Simon listens to me" Hey Joisey! You're usually up on things around here. Question for you. Are we to assume that the lack of a Bashers topic for Idol means that we can bash away merrily in any and all available threads? I have a great deal of venom to spew on a wide variety of Idol topics, but I'm a considerate venomous person and would want to be at least tidy with the vast volume of invective which is about to issue forth from my virtual writing instrument.   Top

greenmonstah 10761 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-10-04, 07:05 PM (EST) 23. "RE: Simon listens to me" Well since you and I had our first officil banter on another post, I figured I would let you in on the golden rule here on the boards: There seems to be an open season on contestent bashing. Bash away with all of the vigor and venom you can muster. However, bashing fellow posters - that is a big no-no and you will get banished from the boards. (Can I have your screen name if this happens?) Anyway, Joisey is one of our top DAWers so I would still stand by for input. Also, go ahead and check out the community guidelines. That may help too.   Top

dangerkitty 1913 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 03-04-04, 12:28 PM (EST) 6. "RE: Do you listen to Simon?" Simon can be so harsh, yet I find that almost all of the time, I agree with him. Example is Tiara, I thought she was awful and was shocked at how Randy and Paula praised her. Then Simon gave her the "it was a total mess" and I thought, "YES! Thank you!" Really interesting question about whether the viewers listen to him. Based on redhead John getting through, I'd have to say that they do. And he got the MOST votes of the group! Is it particular to the "potential" comments? It's one thing to have him say he hated someone, or to actually praise them. If Simon sees potential in someone that didn't do so well and says he wants them go through to see it develop, that may be very intriguing to viewers. And never mind the viewers listening to Simon, what about the other judges? Both Randy and Paula changing their pick from George to John after the top three were announced? Interesting. dangerkitty   Top

nailbone 27263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-04-04, 01:34 PM (EST) 9. "RE: Do you listen to Simon?" > >And never mind the viewers listening >to Simon, what about the >other judges? Both Randy >and Paula changing their pick >from George to John after >the top three were announced? > Interesting. > I noticed that, too. Definitely a WTF moment. OT Studmuffin of the Year '03, Prince of Passion, Royal Liaison to Illicit Activities, and SB Video Historian o- Cool new sig courtesy of Jslice   Top

moonbaby 17120 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-04-04, 12:39 PM (EST) 7. "I find myself" agreeing with Simon but disagreeing with how he says it As far as voting goes? I have not voted.   Top

ginger 22512 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-04-04, 02:03 PM (EST) 10. "RE: I find myself" I pretty much always agree with him although I don't vote. I have enough trouble remembering to return my mother's calls, let alone punching in 800 numbers for Rooooooobinequsque pop wannabees. Randy I sometimes agree with. Paula is a waste of a judge's chair (and let's face it, it took a whole lotta soundboard to make her sound like she could sing). "Any government that would deny a gay man bridal registry is fascist." Margaret Cho   Top

Jethro 11 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 03-04-04, 03:17 PM (EST) 12. "RE: Do you listen to Simon?" I often agree with Simon, but sometimes he contradicts himself. He went REALLY easy on John Stevens. I've heard him say things like, "This isn't Cabaret Idol" or "This isn't Rock Idol" so he should have said, "This isn't Crooner Idol." Plus, he has ripped so many contestants for being boring or not having the right look, yet let John slide on both accounts. But Simon did defend himself once about this, saying that he is only human and is going to have favorites just like anyone else (I think that was when Christina Christian was voted out, apparently after the public was sickened by his never-ending praise).   Top

MTW1961 4029 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 03-04-04, 08:11 PM (EST) 14. "RE: Do you listen to Simon?" CHIMING IN AND AGREEING - This is pretty much what I was going to say. Usually his comments, especially the negative ones, are right on target. BUT, he does contradict himself. With one contestant, he'll complain that he/she played it safe, and that person is exactly like a hundred others. Then when someone goes out on a limb (Kate Webber comes to mind), and sings something different and unexpected, he complains that they went out too far on a limb. Also, sometimes he'll like a performance, but say something negative directly to the contestant that's just finished, but the comment really applies to all of them in general. In this sense, he's unfairly associating a negative general comment to one person, and it can impact that person's vote total. RBBRTFHLA/Sugar Ho Division/Gummi Candy Section - Marketing VP   Top

Tiger Lily 1679 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 03-05-04, 01:27 AM (EST) 16. "Sometimes I agree with him" ...and sometimes I don't. I do feel sorry for some of the people he really bashes, but at the same time, he's usually right about them. And on another note, it occurs to me that Simon seems to be running out of smartass things to say. Some of the analogies he's been making lately are completely off the wall. Has anyone else noticed this, or thought "WTF?" When he starts talking? It cracks me up. He's such a weird man.   Top

managerr 1959 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 03-08-04, 10:52 AM (EST) 17. "RE: Sometimes I agree with him" Actually, I love the analogies this season. (so far) I mean there is usually so much criticism you can give someone before everything starts to get old. At least he is making an effort to give some new zingers than the same ol' same ol.   Top

Femme 3621 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 03-09-04, 06:54 PM (EST) 19. "RE: Do you listen to Simon?" Simon is full of crap. He thinks he knows what we, the public, want, but look at how he forced Ruben on us when we all seemed to support Clay. He contradicts himself, he goes easy on people who need to hear the truth that they blow, and then he goes hard on people who should be given credit for a job well done, or having shown some improvement. Some specific examples: Matt (the football guy) has a nice voice, a standout personality, and seems to take the work that he will need to do for this contest seriously, yet Simon attacks him about 'not caring' or 'not making an effort' which leads to Matt feeling defensive, making a comment that was extremly tacky, and losing the affections of the public. Camille, who was nervous, weak, chose a song that didn't work for her, so on and so on and so on, is praised by him, while others, like George Huff, are 'zinged' by Simon with such obvious biases that it grates on your nerves. I mean, GEORGE doesn't have the charisma to be American Idol? But Ruben did?! What alternate universe is this?! He nags nearly every singer on the first night of the finals about choosing safe songs. Diana: I got the music in me; Marque: Wind beneath my wings; Ashley: Crazy - all sang before Katie Webber, who was fourth. Simon had told Marque, Erskine, and Ashley, specifically, that their songs were too safe that night, but then Katie sings "Orange Colored Sky" and Simon says, "hotel bar singer" and then railed on her misfortune to dare choose such a weird, jazzy song. What the heck? Simon, I think, also tries to manipulate the votes without being blatant. I think that when someone does really well, someone that he has sorta made it clear that he would like to see eliminated, he will say something simple like, "good job." He is short, clipped, and unbudging. He did this with Josh Gracin a few times last year, but then he will critique every tiny little nuance of Ruben's performance or Clay's, in an effort to manipulate, I think. He wants the audience 1.) not to remember anything spectacular about the performance that he gave a short bit of unarguable, unmemorable comment to, and 2.) he wants to make the audience think that person is 'safe' and the other person, who performed far better, is 'risky' that particular week. Just my opinion, but I truly believe he does this. Anyway, Simon is a pompous jerk who is rarely right, but I must concede on two points. One, when he *is* right, he is dead-on right. And two, he performs a valuable service when he cuts down some of these over-inflated teenage egos we see. (I have a HUGE problem with teaching kids to love themselves SOO much that they cannot even process and accept any critique to their lacking ability, personality, so forth. I think it is detrimental, and I love that Simon gives these sheltered children with over-inflated self-esteems a bitter taste of reality. I only hope they learn from it. In short, Simon does not sway me (very often). I make up my own mind. Blah, blah, blah. Get me going and you can't EVER shut me up. Femme "Shock me, shock me, shock me with your deviant behavior."   Top

tig_ger 2098 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator" 03-10-04, 06:05 PM (EST) 21. "RE: Do you listen to Simon?" I love to listen to Simon, because with his comments, he is trying to so hard to manipulate the vote. It sounds like most of us know this. So, I think he is quite amusing...and enjoy listening to him just so I can try to figure out where he thinks my vote should be going. However, I never change my vote based upon what he says. I just like to listen to him try to be the puppet master. Then, I go and do what I want. Randy and Paula do this too, to a lesser extent. A Kyngsladye Original   Top

goDAWful 34 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 03-10-04, 06:11 PM (EST) 22. "RE: Do you listen to Simon?" >He thinks he knows what we, >the public, want, but look >at how he forced Ruben >on us when we all >seemed to support Clay. What, he went to everyone's houses and dialed the numbers for them? (Don't get me wrong, I'm no Ruben fan, but I dispute that he was "forced" on anyone.) Other than that, you have plenty of good points, though I disagree with the outcome of your cogitations in many instances. However, we agree strongly on the over-esteeming of children (something I ranted about in some other Cowell-related thread just now). This is a rampant problem in American society. Teaching children that they can "be whatever they want to be" is a recipe for some seriously damaged members of society once they reach an age where relationships outside the immediate family become necessary. The lesson should be, "You can TRY to be whatever you want to be, but not everyone can be POTUS or Kelly or Kobe or a brain surgeon and that's fine because we do, after all, need people to work in sausage factories." I have worked in the entertainment industry for many a long year and oh my goodness, the stories I could (and may, actually) tell about some of the stuff that comes across my desk from the parents of children who are obviously destined for the meat processing plant... The utter awfulness of it all is indeed as pervasive in this business as Cowell regularly indicates on the show.   Top

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