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"5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coast spoiler thread"
LAST EDITED ON 05-26-04 AT 08:26 PM (EST)

Yikes! No one started this thread yet!

You all know the drill by now. Please post the play-by-play for tonight's 2-hour filler finale show (FOX, 8 PM ET/PT) in this thread -- and please keep ALL comments about THE WINNER in this thread until AFTER 1 AM ET, so the West Coasters can be just as surprised/horrified/whatever by the winner as the East Coasters are.

Thanks -- AyaK ... out!

Thanks to Shedevil for the reminder.

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coas... callalilly3000 05-26-04 1
   RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coas... rjrabbit 05-26-04 4
       RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coas... okaychatt 05-26-04 7
       RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coas... callalilly3000 05-26-04 13
   RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coas... thisgirl8 05-26-04 36
 RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coas... ulalame 05-26-04 2
   RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coas... shedevil 05-26-04 6
 Update AyaK 05-26-04 3
   Latoya shedevil 05-26-04 8
   RE: Update rjrabbit 05-26-04 12
 RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coas... okaychatt 05-26-04 5
   George= Me & Mrs. Jones shedevil 05-26-04 9
   Jasmine- Midnight Train to Georgia shedevil 05-26-04 11
       Tamyra- star spangled banner shedevil 05-26-04 17
           RE: Tamyra- star spangled banner okaychatt 05-26-04 25
               RE: Tamyra- star spangled banner thisgirl8 05-26-04 61
                   RE: Tamyra- star spangled banner JOSHIDOL 05-27-04 124
           RE: Tamyra- star spangled banner PagongRatEater 05-26-04 98
       RE: Jasmine- Midnight Train to Geor... strid333 05-26-04 50
           Diana- I believe shedevil 05-26-04 56
   RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coas... rjrabbit 05-26-04 14
 Some suggestions TeamJoisey 05-26-04 10
   Agree AyaK 05-26-04 15
   RE: Some suggestions callalilly3000 05-26-04 16
 Second update AyaK 05-26-04 18
   RE: Second update callalilly3000 05-26-04 26
   RE: Second update okaychatt 05-26-04 30
       RE: Second update shedevil 05-26-04 31
 Tamayra just ruined the National An... TeamJoisey 05-26-04 19
   RE: Tamayra just ruined the Nationa... strid333 05-26-04 62
 RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coas... okaychatt 05-26-04 20
   RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coas... rjrabbit 05-26-04 23
   Wow AyaK 05-26-04 27
       RE: Wow rjrabbit 05-26-04 51
           True AyaK 05-26-04 57
               RE: True rjrabbit 05-26-04 93
  - Impossible Dream (?) shedevil 05-26-04 21
 The Impossible Dream AyaK 05-26-04 22
 Impossible Dream TeamJoisey 05-26-04 24
   Agree AyaK 05-26-04 28
       RE: Agree TeamJoisey 05-26-04 32
 RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coas... CantStandToLook 05-26-04 29
   CSTL Breezy 05-27-04 122
 Kelly- Beautiful Disaster shedevil 05-26-04 33
 RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coas... auburnsportzfan 05-26-04 34
 snarky comments Java 05-26-04 35
   Booger Studs... callalilly3000 05-26-04 37
   RE: snarky comments TeamJoisey 05-26-04 40
 Tribute to past judges Java 05-26-04 38
   RE: Tribute to past judges shedevil 05-26-04 41
   RE: Tribute to past judges auburnsportzfan 05-26-04 42
   RE: Tribute to past judges okaychatt 05-26-04 49
       RE: Tribute to past judges shedevil 05-26-04 52
       RE: Tribute to past judges callalilly3000 05-26-04 54
   RE: Tribute to past judges zombiebaby 05-26-04 65
 To She -Devil! callalilly3000 05-26-04 39
   Uhh... AyaK 05-26-04 43
       I know Akak... callalilly3000 05-26-04 45
   RE: To She -Devil! shedevil 05-26-04 44
 RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coas... auburnsportzfan 05-26-04 46
 RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coas... Java 05-26-04 47
   Ruben "what if"? shedevil 05-26-04 48
       RE: Ruben "what if"? TeamJoisey 05-26-04 53
           RE: Ruben "what if"? callalilly3000 05-26-04 55
               Fantasia- Dreams shedevil 05-26-04 58
                   RE: Fantasia- Dreams callalilly3000 05-26-04 64
                       RE: Fantasia- Dreams shedevil 05-26-04 67
           RE: Ruben "what if"? PagongRatEater 05-26-04 96
 Diana/I Believe ... Fantasia/Dreams TeamJoisey 05-26-04 59
   RE: Diana/I Believe ... Fantasia/Dr... callalilly3000 05-26-04 63
 Wow moonbaby 05-26-04 60
   Diana & Fantasia- I Knew You Were W... shedevil 05-26-04 66
       yep moonbaby 05-26-04 68
           FANTASIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WINS shedevil 05-26-04 70
       RE: Diana & Fantasia- I Knew You We... okaychatt 05-26-04 81
 And there we have it... callalilly3000 05-26-04 69
   THAT SUCKS!!!!!!!!! thisgirl8 05-26-04 72
       RE: THAT SUCKS!!!!!!!!! hotwetgirl1981 05-26-04 80
           RE: THAT SUCKS!!!!!!!!! thisgirl8 05-26-04 108
               RE: THAT SUCKS!!!!!!!!! hotwetgirl1981 05-27-04 116
                   RE: THAT SUCKS!!!!!!!!! thisgirl8 05-27-04 120
 Deletions AyaK 05-26-04 73
   RE: Deletions rjrabbit 05-26-04 79
   RE: Deletions hotwetgirl1981 05-26-04 91
 Simon looked like moonbaby 05-26-04 74
   RE: Simon looked like okaychatt 05-26-04 83
       RE: Simon looked like shedevil 05-26-04 90
 DAMN! They gave away the winner TeamJoisey 05-26-04 75
   RE: DAMN! They gave away the winner okaychatt 05-26-04 77
   RE: DAMN! They gave away the winner CarCar22125 05-26-04 115
 I have to wonder............. okaychatt 05-26-04 76
   RE: I have to wonder............. ejm92 05-26-04 78
 RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coas... ejm92 05-26-04 82
 What I Love Drive My Car 05-26-04 84
   RE: What I Love TeamJoisey 05-26-04 86
       RE: What I Love Drive My Car 05-26-04 103
           RE: What I Love emydi 05-27-04 127
   Well said LookeeLoo 05-26-04 87
       RE: Well said Drive My Car 05-26-04 104
           RE: Well said shanana banana 05-26-04 113
   RE: What I Love okaychatt 05-26-04 88
   RE: What I Love rjrabbit 05-26-04 99
       RE: What I Love Drive My Car 05-26-04 106
       RE: What I Love deerhunter 05-26-04 110
   RE: What I Love Glow 05-27-04 123
 Jennifer / Reuben Pepito 05-26-04 85
 Also wondering........... okaychatt 05-26-04 89
   RE: Also wondering........... DVABDP 05-26-04 94
       RE: Also wondering........... opinionated 05-26-04 95
       RE: Also wondering........... hotwetgirl1981 05-26-04 97
           RE: Also wondering........... thisgirl8 05-26-04 112
               RE: Also wondering........... hotwetgirl1981 05-27-04 117
                   RE: Also wondering........... thisgirl8 05-27-04 119
 My opinion on the whole thing. opinionated 05-26-04 92
   RE: My opinion on the whole thing. okaychatt 05-26-04 100
       RE: My opinion on the whole thing. bucket 05-26-04 109
           RE: My opinion on the whole thing. thisgirl8 05-26-04 111
           RE: My opinion on the whole thing. shanana banana 05-26-04 114
           RE: My opinion on the whole thing. hotwetgirl1981 05-27-04 118
   RE: My opinion on the whole thing. MarkP 05-26-04 101
   RE: My opinion on the whole thing. hotwetgirl1981 05-26-04 102
   RE: My opinion on the whole thing. minkey 05-26-04 105
   RE: My opinion on the whole thing. AtlantisRoyal 05-26-04 107
 A formal Apologie.. callalilly3000 05-27-04 121
 RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coas... unitabackup 05-27-04 125
 Production GUFUs SnowBunny 05-27-04 126

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callalilly3000 693 desperate attention whore postings
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05-26-04, 08:23 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coast spoiler thread"
LAST EDITED ON 05-26-04 AT 08:27 PM (EST)

I was begining to wonder, thank you!

We have weather issues here in good old St.Louis, I might lose my cable.

I am hoping to be kept updated through this thread.


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05-26-04, 08:31 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coast spoiler thread"
Hey Callalilly! Where is everybody?


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05-26-04, 08:33 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coast spoiler thread"
I'm here, rjrabbit.

Jasmine is promising to leave. I keep waving, but she's still here!

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05-26-04, 08:39 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coast spoiler thread"
Hey Rabbit!! Not only is my cable going in and out. I am having computer issues as well. I hope to stay on. Not looking so good though.

Tornando warinings!


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05-26-04, 09:16 PM (EST)
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36. "RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coast spoiler thread"
Is the show still going on in the East Coast? Does anyone know who the winner is? I'm in the mountain region and it just started, but I can't wait.

I'm dying like the rest of you.

Go Diana!!!!!

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05-26-04, 08:30 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coast spoiler thread"
Anybody out there? We here on the West Coast are dying to know what's going on on the show. Anything of interest happen yet?
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05-26-04, 08:31 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coast spoiler thread"
LAST EDITED ON 05-26-04 AT 08:38 PM (EST)

Thank you for starting this, I didn't do it because I didn't want to step on anyone's toes.

You're very welcome Ayak.

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05-26-04, 08:30 PM (EST)
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3. "Update"
LAST EDITED ON 05-26-04 AT 08:31 PM (EST)

LaToya sings first, the Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes featuring Teddy Pendergrass song "If You Don't Know Me By Now." She should've won.

Kimberly Caldwell is in Atlanta, Georgia with the Diana homies (at the Georgia Dome). Clay Aiken is in NC with the Fantasia homies.

Then George sings "Me & Mrs. Jones" (from the CD). Fantasia and Diana look weak compared to the losers.

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05-26-04, 08:33 PM (EST)
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8. "Latoya "
This is the best she's ever looked, she looked gorgeous and I love her necklace. She sounded good, but I'm still sticking to Jennifer as who I think should have won.


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05-26-04, 08:38 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Update"
Thanks Ayak!
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05-26-04, 08:31 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coast spoiler thread"
I was delighted and honored to know that Nicole Richie is one of Idol's devoted fans. Good to be in such rarefied company. HA!

BTW - It was really good to see La Toya and George again. They did not disappoint.

Oh joy - Jasmine is up, and starts flat, as usual. OUCH!! - I wish SHE'D leave on a midnight train - one way ticket!

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9. "George= Me & Mrs. Jones"
It was great to see George, I missed him. He looked good and sounded pretty good. I still don't feel that this song is the best for him.


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05-26-04, 08:36 PM (EST)
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11. "Jasmine- Midnight Train to Georgia "
Jasmine looked like she did through the whole competition but managed to sound worse. I think it served as a reminder as to why she isn't in the final two.


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17. "Tamyra- star spangled banner"
Holy crap, she really butchered it. I was plugging my ears. It was terrible. She did look nice, if that matters.
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05-26-04, 08:52 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: Tamyra- star spangled banner"
It was a mess, wasn't it? I hate when singers try to do too many riffs a cappela (sp?) and lose their place.
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61. "RE: Tamyra- star spangled banner"
Ok i'm 2 hours behind the east coast. I just heard Tamyra Gray sing the Star Spangled Banner. What was up with the last 10 notes. She made Leah Labelle sound good! ACK!
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124. "RE: Tamyra- star spangled banner"
Speaking of Leah Labelle. I watching the E news live show live from the red carpet??
They had this outdoor concert too and Leah Labelle was on stage singing. Simon and Randy went up to talk to Giuliani the host and they started yelling "who is that singing, tell them to shut up, they are awful".. It was Leah singing.
Well now we can see why she is not going on tour.
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98. "RE: Tamyra- star spangled banner"
I have been a huge fan of her voice, but that was just flat-out awful! I always thought that she had Whitney talent....but may not.

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50. "RE: Jasmine- Midnight Train to Georgia "
All I can say is YAWN. She wasn't F3 good.
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56. "Diana- I believe"
Again, I'm not impressed. She only sounds good to me on "yelling" songs like "I'm Still Standing" and "Think", this kind of song just highlights her weak points. She looked nice, but the way she ended the song was just painful. *Paula looked scared.*
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14. "RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coast spoiler thread"


*giggle* okaychatt tickles my funnybone!
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10. "Some suggestions"
Didn't think it was my place to start this thread, but now that it is here, I have two requests:

Please try to stay on topic. This thread is bound to quickly become unwieldy, so it would be beneficial to all if we kept the off-topic chatter to a minimum.

I'd also ask that you post WITHOUT sig pics, since they cause speed problems in huge threads.

And so I don't violate my own rule:

They open the show with LaToya singing, and immediately prove America has the wrong finalists.

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15. "Agree"
Many of us connect through high-speed cable on state-of-the-art PCs or Macs -- but many others connect on low-speed lines or with older computers. So I'd very much like to endorse TJ's idea of leaving the sig pics out, so that everyone can connect to this thread without a problem.
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16. "RE: Some suggestions"
OK TJ, no more sig pics for me tonight, and I agree. Wrong final two!

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18. "Second update"
LAST EDITED ON 05-26-04 AT 08:46 PM (EST)

Just to summarize the posts above:

Several celebs appeared, from Ray Romano and Sharon Osbourne (who both picked Tasia) to Jennifer Love Hewitt.

Ryan interviewed the judges. Simon is still full of himself.

Jasmine sang "Midnight Train to Georgia." That's probably the best way for her to sneak out of town before the music critics show up, but black leather looks good on her.

Tamyra sings "The Star-Spangled Banner." Better than Roseanne and Ozzy!

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05-26-04, 08:52 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: Second update"

Thank you Akak, as I said before, my cable is acting up. These updates help.

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30. "RE: Second update"
"Simon is still full of himself"

I loved the way he conceded that Randy and Paula contributed a little. HA!

He was late for the broadcast - "as usual," said Seacrest.

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31. "RE: Second update"
It's true, Simon is full of himself, but look how yummy he looked tonight. He's right also, Randy and Paula's comments are usually nonsense.
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19. "Tamayra just ruined the National Anthem"
That was terrible. She was shaky, lacked breath support, and rewrote the melody along the way. Why do people have to go off the song sheet to make that song "their own?"

That was NOT Tamyra's best work.

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62. "RE: Tamayra just ruined the National Anthem"
LAST EDITED ON 05-26-04 AT 09:52 PM (EST)

Completely agree.

I'm sorry, but I would be ashamed to be an American after a butchering like that. If she sang the Canadian anthem like that, I would seriously boo her off the stage. Seriously, I can sing the Star Spangled Banner better than she can, and I'm not American.

Edit to fix a typing error.

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20. "RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coast spoiler thread"
Seacrest says 65 million votes were cast!

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23. "RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coast spoiler thread"
LAST EDITED ON 05-26-04 AT 10:46 PM (EST)


Holy carp! 65 million! Just wanted to thank everyone who's posting. I appreciate the updates!

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27. "Wow"
Well, the use of three phone lines apparently DID make a difference, because only 24 million were cast for Idol 2 (though there were 230 million calls):

http://www.realitytvworld.com/index/articles/story.php?s=2570

Maybe next time they'll try twelve phone lines per person, and most everyone will get through!

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51. "RE: Wow"
You'll still have the problems of the local lines. That's where the real bottleneck is. I got more "All circuits are busy" than busy signals.
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57. "True"
You're right -- but I notice that moving from one line to three lines seems to have permitted just about three times as many calls to get through (since last year's final two vote was also four hours). Perhaps the jam on the local circuits is caused in part by all the redials when people can't get through?
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93. "RE: True"
I agree with you. I'm interested in finding out how many votes were cast in the last two hours. I think the extra lines were a bigger help than the extra two hours. Don't know many people who can stay up till 1 AM voting and get to work (or school) the next day. I do feel sorry for you tonight. Bet your busier than a one legged man in a but.... you know what I mean.
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21. " - Impossible Dream (?)"
Diana sounded good but Fantasia was incredible. Kelly was amazing as always. I love that girl! Ruben was off key in the beginning and sweating from the 2 steps he took. All in all, the song sounded great.
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22. "The Impossible Dream"
...featuring Diana, Fantasia ... and Kelly Clarkson and Ruben Studdard.
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24. "Impossible Dream"
OK, Diana starts this classic, and sounds better than anything she sang last night. Fantasia joins her, and she's OK.

BUT now Kelly Clarkson steps onstage and blows them both off the stage. Ruben Studdard joins her, and they bury the two wannabe finalists.

They are not doing the eventual winner any favors here!

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28. "Agree"
My sentiments exactly, TJ.
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32. "RE: Agree"
I was also saying: they are lucky Clay is in North Carolina. That's a song written for his pipes.

Kelly gets to sing again, sitting on a piano.

Producer's Message to Audience: Remember when this show was good? Give us another chance next season.

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29. "RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coast spoiler thread"
Just had to pop in to say Jasmine still sucks....dam .how on earth did that girl ever make it as far as she did in the competition.

The 4 Idols singing together was some of the best group singing I've heard in all three seasons. Excellent


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if my breezy is out there somewhere..*smooches*

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122. "CSTL"
Yep Jasmine was horrid.

The only singer that impressed me last night was Kelly. Her voice was awesome.

I was packing for my trip during the show so just really listened and didn't watch any of it.

I was bummed that Clay didn't get to sing, but oh well. I'll just put in his CD.

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33. "Kelly- Beautiful Disaster"
She looked beautiful, but she only sounded good. I like the version on the c.d. much better.
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34. "RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coast spoiler thread"
So far Kelly does not sound better than either Jennifer or Latoya, but i will give her a slight nod over Fantasia and a mile ahead of Diana.
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35. "snarky comments"
Poor Larry is going to hyperventilate over these wardrobe choices. Fantasia is trying the braless look again, and Kelly looked like Mother Nature in that last number.

Anyone know when those nose studs that look like boogers going out of style?

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37. "Booger Studs..."
I hope soon, Java LOL

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40. "RE: snarky comments"
those nose studs? Not soon enough.

And Larry is going to LOVE yellow and white. Matt Rogers looked like a schlub, JPL looked like a bad Elvis impersonator!


That whole number was horrid.

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38. "Tribute to past judges"
Painful... just painful.

Who would have thought that the best male dancer would be John Stevens?

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41. "RE: Tribute to past judges"
I actually enjoyed it (mostly) and I was thrilled to see Jennifer. She was awesome and gorgeous of course. *oh and others sounded good too).
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42. "RE: Tribute to past judges"
The 3 Divas gave me absolute chills, Diana is # 5 in my opinion with George # 4
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49. "RE: Tribute to past judges"
Did you see Simon grinning at him? He actually looked liked he approved of JS.
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52. "RE: Tribute to past judges"
I think Simon always liked JPL, I think he just liked to pick on him. I love JPL, I was thrilled to see him also.
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54. "RE: Tribute to past judges"
I saw that.... simon almost looked pleased.
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65. "RE: Tribute to past judges"
Sorry I am late, had to get myself off the floor from laughing at the Brady Kids in yellow extravaganza.
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39. "To She -Devil!"
Jennifer opened her mouth to sing... and I got the chills.

You have been sooooo right!!! She is the best!!!

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43. "Uhh..."
shedevil isn't the only one who thought Jennifer was the best of this season:

http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID44/975.shtml#43

...though I have to admit that I would push Tamyra Gray down to sixth or maybe even seventh after her last two performances on Idol this season (but I still like "Raindrops Must Fall").

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45. "I know Akak..."
but she has been soooo vocal about her favorite. I just wanted her to know I support Jennifer too.

"kisses" to you!!!

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44. "RE: To She -Devil!"
I got chills too, she's amazing. I was starting to get mad, I thought she wasn't going to sing but obviously they wanted to have the best singers sing towards the end of it. (Fantasia, Latoya & Jennifer)
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46. "RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coast spoiler thread"
Think i would give George the nod over Ruben personally, but for AI purposes I would give it to Ruben
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47. "RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coast spoiler thread"
Reuuuuuuuuben sang 'what if' and did a fine job. He looks so happy when he sings.

I think he wore a shirt that Farrah painted.

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48. "Ruben "what if"?"
I am so not impressed, the song was dripping with velveeta and he didn't sound very good.
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53. "RE: Ruben "what if"?"
He still has that velvet teddy bear thing going, but you are right, the song was cheesy. Is that the best he can do? There's another person lucky Clay is not in the theater.

yeah yeah yeah, I know I'm a hater.

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55. "RE: Ruben "what if"?"
Not a hater... you just tell it like it is!


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58. "Fantasia- Dreams"
I want to say that both of these girls look great in all white, but maybe I'm just a sucker for that look. Uh oh, Paula's getting ready to cry.Wow, Fantasia really stole the show, she outdid Kelly that's for sure, and I didn't think that was possible. She was beautiful and sounded beautiful.
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64. "RE: Fantasia- Dreams"
I almost always agree with you, but not tonight. In my opionion:

Kelly is still better. I thought she was beautiful and sounded wonderful.


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67. "RE: Fantasia- Dreams"
I think Kelly is better in general, but I think Fantasia sounded better tonight.
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96. "RE: Ruben "what if"?"
He should fire whoever writes his songs. He is a great talent, but both of the songs that I've heard off his album are just AWFUL. I lvoe Rueben and voted for him in the final, but the man needs some help!

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59. "Diana/I Believe ... Fantasia/Dreams"
I Believe is still a crappy song. Diana did a pretty good job, at least as good as last night. Still has problems in the low register, and a gospel tune blatantly favors Fantasia.

Dreams is not a great song either, but Fantasia did a good job, despite repeated yeah yeah yeah moments. Her first record producer is going to strangle that out of her.

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63. "RE: Diana/I Believe ... Fantasia/Dreams"

The YEAH, YEAH, YEAH stuff is her down fall. I hope, that someone will put a stop to it... I couldn't stand to listen to 12 or 13 tracks, with YEAH, YEAH, YEAH in it


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60. "Wow"
*yawn* I fell asleep HOURS ago and this is STILL ON! So....who won?

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66. "Diana & Fantasia- I Knew You Were Waiting"
Diana's dress rocks, she talked too much on the way to the stage and it looked like she hit someone with her arm. I love Fantasia's suit also. Diana sounded pretty good, Fantasia sounded really good. It was a decent duet.
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68. "yep"
they sound pretty good together-they keep each other's screaminess in check.

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70. "FANTASIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WINS"
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81. "RE: Diana & Fantasia- I Knew You Were Waiting"
"Diana's dress rocks"

We're gonna have to agree to disagree on this point. That piece hanging down that looked like an alligator almost tripped her!

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69. "And there we have it..."

FANTASIA!!!

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72. "THAT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!"
LAST EDITED ON 05-26-04 AT 10:03 PM (EST)

I'm done with American Idol! Fantasia should not have won.

She will never be as successful as Kelly or Clay.

Go Diana. She'll be the next Clay Aiken, who will find more success than Rubben or Fantasia ever will!

I'm not even going to finish watching the show.

Thanks to all those on the east coast who kept us westerners informed. You all rock!!!!

Edited to fix typo!

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80. "RE: THAT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!"
Ruben is successful.

Quit hating if you don't like her the don't have to buy her records but don't down talk them!!!!!!!!!

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108. "RE: THAT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!"
>Ruben is successful.
>
>Quit hating if you don't like
>her the don't have to
>buy her records but don't
>down talk them!!!!!!!!!


I am entitled to my opinion. If you don't like it, don't read it.

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116. "RE: THAT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!"
LAST EDITED ON 05-27-04 AT 00:44 AM (EST)

Whatever. If you don't want people to respond then do post here. That is why you post things.

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120. "RE: THAT SUCKS!!!!!!!!!"
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>Whatever. If you don't want people
>to respond then do post
>here. That is why you
>post things.

I don't care if you respond, but don't call me a "hater" because I didn't think Fantasia should have won. You are the one calling people names.

Under another topic you said that white americans were racist. You are the one with a stick up your butt! Get over yourself.

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73. "Deletions"
I've already had to delete two posts, one that screwed up this thread with a long "YES" with no spaces and one in another thread discussing Fantasia's win.

Come on, people! Two posts in three minutes?

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79. "RE: Deletions"

Glad Ayak is around. Thanks for staying on top of things!
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91. "RE: Deletions"
That was me!!!!!!!!! Why did you erase it???
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74. "Simon looked like"
the cat that swallowed the canary.

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83. "RE: Simon looked like"
........a proud papa.
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90. "RE: Simon looked like"
a hot proud papa!

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75. "DAMN! They gave away the winner"
We knew, or should have known.

When Diana sang "I Believe" earlier it was a signal that she did not win. They always close the show with the winner singing the presumptive first single.

If Diana was singing it with a half-hour remaining, they ALL knew Fantasia was the winner.

There was no surprise ending here folks.

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77. "RE: DAMN! They gave away the winner"
GMTA!! Just posted the same thing. I was wondering during the show when Fantasia would give her version, but now it makes sense.

BTW - who sang the song first last year - Clay?

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115. "RE: DAMN! They gave away the winner"
Darn it, I should have KNOWN that! I couldn't believe all the biased comments earlier in the show! Could they have not found ONE Diana fan? They're out there, they just didn't want to talk to them I guess... who knows?
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76. "I have to wonder............."
........why Diana sang, I Believe first, and we didn't hear it from Fantasia until after she was crowned.

Surely that means the contestants knew?!

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78. "RE: I have to wonder............."
Sure seemed to be the case to me....although maybe they gave the impression that Diana would sing the "Dream" song if she had won.


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82. "RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coast spoiler thread"
I hope the angry fans who wanted Jennifer/LaToya/Diana to win don't overlook Fantasia's incredible talent....she's probably the most unique artist in Idol history, and although she's not always perfect, the girl can sing. Personally she's been my second favorite (favorite being George) throughout the whole competition, but I realize that Jennifer, LaToya, and Diana all have valid cases of why they should've won or lasted longer....however, in the years to come, I think things will shake out just fine for everyone. Although I'm not at all a fan of hers, Tamyra is doing fine for herself....so are Clay and Kim Locke, even Frenchie, and of course Ruben and Kelly. There's enough room in the music world for all of them, so don't get too upset over this competition...besides, what does it entitle them to anyways?....doesn't seem like Ruben was given any more attention than Clay was.


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84. "What I Love "
What I love about this show came really clear to me, and I hope others feel the same way.

I wasn't that invested this time, I think they are both really talented young ladies, but in the end, didn't matter to me who won. They both worked very hard to get there, and perhaps there were some who were just as talented who didn't get that far.

But just before the winner was announced I found myself crying, and I realized that we get to witness this amazing life changing moment for one of these young women.

And I think that is why so many love this show. At it's core, it is about dreams coming true.
Okay, so maybe I am a bit sappy, but I think that is why people get so passionate about their favorites. Because to us it's a show, entertainment, but we see those young people and it is all about their dreams.

Congratulations to Fantasia, and thanks to all the talented young dreamers that entertained us.


Kelly's voice still makes me cry, she is great.

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86. "RE: What I Love "
Buggy, you sap.

Come join the haters!

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103. "RE: What I Love "

I know! I am so sad!

Actually I think I hated both of them at one time or another during the season, but seriously, I was so touched by the ending.
People care about this show, and I think I figured out why. It is bigger than the show, it is bigger than winning or losing.

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127. "RE: What I Love "
Buggy,

I agree with you. I was crying too. The family curse is finally gone!!! When she couldnt sing parts of I Believe and she was on the ground that was just very poignant. I'm just glad BF was in the other room watching the Pistons game so he didnt make fun of me.

I figured Fantasia won when Diana sang I Believe first. But what was up with Fantasia when she was late coming out on the stage to sing Dreams? From there on out she seemed so subdued, like she was just told her grandpa died or something. Only until after they announced her as winner was she "happy" and then it was more subdued than I had thought she would be. Has our young Fantasia learned some humility? I think so.

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87. "Well said"
LAST EDITED ON 05-26-04 AT 11:16 PM (EST)

okay, and your word made ME cry!

Edit to remove my sig pic. sorry TJ.

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104. "RE: Well said"
Thanks, Hon.

(To be truthful I may have forgotten to take my medication today.)

I just love seeing the dream become real, and for the first time I really felt Fantasia, right after she won, and she sang the song. I think I really saw her, and where she is going.
I liked it.

( and I wasn't a big fan of her voice before)

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113. "RE: Well said"
LAST EDITED ON 05-26-04 AT 11:44 PM (EST)

>>I just love seeing the dream
>become real, and for the
>first time I really felt
>Fantasia, right after she won,
>and she sang the song.
>I think I really saw
>her, and where she is
>going.
>I liked it.


Very nice post, Drive. I totally agree. I was in tears throughout the reading of the votes and while Fantasia was singing her finale ---- you could really feel what winning this means to her. Fantasia definitely wears her heart on her sleeve and that's one of the things I love about her, besides her obvious talent.

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88. "RE: What I Love "
.....and I want to thank all of you who have argued, agreed, and generally let me hang out to discuss all of this. A little dissension is good - makes me think.

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99. "RE: What I Love "
Not sappy at all buggy. Well Said!
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106. "RE: What I Love "
Thanks!
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110. "RE: What I Love "
Hi Rabbit!

*smooch* Thought I'd find you here.
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123. "RE: What I Love "
Fantasia has been my favorite from the beginning. I love her voice. I found myself crying and choked up through most of the night. Kelly's voice makes me cry too. When they had Fantasia, Jennifer and Latoya in the middle of the twelve finalists, I cried. Ruben is flawless and an effortless singer. I adore him. I cried. When they announced Fantasia as the winner, I cried. When she sang at the end while crying, I cried.

I'm not sure what my problem was.

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85. "Jennifer / Reuben"
Whew! I especially enjoyed seeing and hearing Jennifer again. She really is something special. I hope I see (hear) more of her soon. She's just terrific.

Reuben looks like he put on weight. Ehhh, not that it matters, anyway. I liked the song that he did. It was obviously written for him, and it suited him really well.

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89. "Also wondering..........."
..........if the vote wasn't even close. No mention of slim margins this year.

AyaK - will the numbers be released at any point? Just curious.

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94. "RE: Also wondering..........."
i heard on E that the loser lost by only one percent and thats like i think 600,000 votes. E also said that above 60 million people voted so they got that right i guess they got the percent righ too. Ryan also said it was really close during the show.
But i think like last year teh vote wont matter and that Diana will be more sucsesful. Just because she is younger. and has younger fan who unfortunally had to go to bed at like 10 so she lost lots of vote there. I dont like that Fantasia won because of a technical prob. with her ear peice I really think the shows owes her a apology. Because maybe if there was not glitch she would have dont good and i think she would have won. I dont think either will be as sucessful as Kelly or Clay but they will deffinally surpass Ruben. And i think ratings were lower than expected becasue i have not heard about Rating yet
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95. "RE: Also wondering..........."
If it's true that there was only a 1% difference in the voting, then it's America who needs to adjust its earpiece.

Opinionated

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97. "RE: Also wondering..........."
LAST EDITED ON 05-26-04 AT 10:55 PM (EST)

Always making excuses.

I'm glad that show is over, so people can quit down talking Fantasia. If you don't like her then don't buy her record.

But doubt it will hurt her.

Please do a spell check next time!!!!!

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112. "RE: Also wondering..........."
>Always making excuses.
>
>I'm glad that show is over,
>so people can quit down
>talking Fantasia. If you don't
>like her then don't buy
>her record.
>
>But doubt it will hurt her.
>
>
>Please do a spell check next
>time!!!!!


Why do you take people's opinions so personally? You aren't Fantasia! We aren't talking down to her. We are expressing opinions. Get over it! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion! If you don't like it, then don't read the boards.

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117. "RE: Also wondering..........."
LAST EDITED ON 05-27-04 AT 00:59 AM (EST)

I'm not taking it personally. You are taking it personally.

Things that you posted:

"She will never be as successful as Kelly or Clay"

"Go Diana. She'll be the next Clay Aiken, who will find more success than Rubben or Fantasia ever will!"

That's being mean and rude. I know that these are your opinions and I'm not mad at you for that but if I don't like something that you are anyone else post then I can responed or disagree, just like anyone else can. Life is to short to get mad at someones opinion.

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119. "RE: Also wondering..........."
>LAST EDITED ON 05-27-04
>AT 00:59 AM (EST)

>
>I'm not taking it personally. You
>are taking it personally.
>
>Things that you posted:
>
>"She will never be as successful
>as Kelly or Clay"
>
>"Go Diana. She'll be the next
>Clay Aiken, who will find
>more success than Rubben or
>Fantasia ever will!"
>
>That's being mean and rude. I
>know that these are your
>opinions and I'm not mad
>at you for that but
>if I don't like something
>that you are anyone else
>post then I can responed
>or disagree, just like anyone
>else can. Life is to
>short to get mad at
>someones opinion.

No, that is called an OPINION! I'm not calling you names. you are calling people names for expressing their own opinion. That is taking it personally!

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92. "My opinion on the whole thing."
Haven't posted in a while. I was really bummed when LaToya was booted and didn't feel like talking about the show anymore. But--here I am again...

At the beginning of the competition, I thought that the final four would end up being George, Jennifer, Latoya and Fantasia, not necessarily in that order. I really liked George's personality, and he was my early favorite (but I didn't really think he would win). I thought Fantasia was unique and very talented, but had a lousy attitude reminiscent of a bad checkout girl at WalMart. I thought Jennifer had a great voice but needed coaching. I thought LaToya was fabulous but a little aloof and a little too much like every other black female recording artist, ex. Anita Baker, Whitney Houston, Toni Braxton, etc..

Now we've reached the end, and I've only changed my opinion about one of those four contestants: Fantasia. I think she's shown a huge amount of personal growth during the competition. She wears her heart on her sleeve, tells it like it is, and sings like she wants to connect with her audience. Since it came down to her and Diana (not to her and Jen or LaToya, as it should have), I have to say that IMO there was no comparison btw. Fantasia and Diana. Fantasia was clearly a superior singer and performer. If Diana had won, it would have been a travesty. (Remember, these are my opinions.) Diana shouldn't have made it into the top 4, let alone the top two. She screams the high notes, flats the low notes, doesn't emote worth a d*** and reminds me of a contestant in a Miss Backwater County Pageant.

To sum up...I'm glad Fantasia won, it obviously wasn't close (since no stats were provided during the show), and America chose wisely. She should've been competing against a different contestant for the final, but that's not her fault. And there's a good chance she would've won anyway.

Opinionated

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100. "RE: My opinion on the whole thing."
"reminds me of a contestant in a Miss Backwater County Pageant.
"

Exactly why I cannot warm up to her as an entertainer. She's gotten better though, and seems to want to work on her singing and dancing.

Diana is performing, whereas Fantasia is singing from her soul. I prefer the latter kind of singer - seems more alive somehow.

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109. "RE: My opinion on the whole thing."
I would have prefer Diana to wins But I guess the only good thing that came out of Fantasia winning is that, there will be no whining or bitching about racism.
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111. "RE: My opinion on the whole thing."
>I would have prefer Diana to
>wins But I guess
>the only good thing that
>came out of Fantasia winning
>is that, there will be
>no whining or bitching about
>racism.


AMEN to that!

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114. "RE: My opinion on the whole thing."
>I would have prefer Diana to
>wins But I guess
>the only good thing that
>came out of Fantasia winning
>is that, there will be
>no whining or bitching about
>racism.

Yeah...........instead of racism, we can hear how Diana lost because her monitor went out on the last song and so that's why she sang it horrible, and that's the entire reason why she lost the competition. ;)

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118. "RE: My opinion on the whole thing."
No not about racism but now that Diana lost people are saying that she couldn't fear the back up music and that the show was fixed for Fantasia.

Give me a break Fantasia is a better singer.

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101. "RE: My opinion on the whole thing."
I'm a little confuzed as to why Simon got on Diana about her dancing last night but all everyone says about Fantasia is what a great performer she is. Granted she does grab hold of the audience, but am I missing something or is Fantasia actually not a good dancer? My wife never watches it and the first time she saw Fantasia last week she asked me if he hurt her back! She's always somewhat hunched over and it seems like her legs can never stray too far from each other. It seems to me the only performer with any rhythm at all was Latoya.

On another note, I said to someone today the final vote will come down to luck - I thought it would be dead even only because the lines are constantly buzy so its just which lines happen tobe able take more calls. I am not saying Fantasia didn't deserve to win, but if it was in fact 1% that proves my theory. In fact, wasn't it just as even last year? When it comes to the finals something tells me whoever is in there the lines will be getting calls up until the final minute (which will mean a close vote).

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102. "RE: My opinion on the whole thing."
"She screams the high notes"

You are so right. Must people think you can sing just b/c you hit the high notes. That's the same thing Kelly and Clay do, but since Ruben can't do high notes he can't sing to them. Although Kelly is a damn good singer and Clay I don't know about but he takes the high notes to the extreme.

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105. "RE: My opinion on the whole thing."
*smooch*
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107. "RE: My opinion on the whole thing."
Congrats to Fantasia -- she will be a great American Idol! I voted for Diana throughout the competition (including last night), but knew that either would be deserving of the title (Unlike last year when I was pulling EXTREMELY hard for Clay!) I will not buy Fantasia's CD only because I personally don't like her vocal style. Hopefully Diana will get a recording contract also because she is immensely talented, and I do like her vocal style, and would buy her CD. I do think Fantasia will be successful and she really impressed me as being an extremely thankful and humble winner. I was also impressed with Diana's reaction to the results -- she is much more mature and poised than many "grown" women I know. Much success to both of these talented women in the future!!!!
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121. "A formal Apologie.."
It has come to my attention, that a certain idiot poster, posted the results of the show last night, spoiling for some.

That certain idiot, was none other than me!

*on knees*

*hands folded*

Please accept my sincerest of apologies, I wasn't thinking, just caught up in the moment I guess. I have no other explantion, except for shear stubidity.

Thanks to Akak for deleted the stubid mistake, and again, so, so, sorry.


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125. "RE: 5/26 -- THE FINALE -- West Coast spoiler thread"
I cannot WAIT for Fantasia's album! YESS!!!!
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126. "Production GUFUs"
One would think that after 3 seasons of live shows they would get it right for a change, but what an awful production.

1. Guest hosts.
Could we please take a little time to coach these people on how to work a microphone in a crowd?
And, if we're going to haul some television or movie celebrity out of the woodwork to work the red-carpet or what-not (just because she happens to be a fan of the show), one would think we could find someone with even a little experience with live productions.
Finally, at least give them some suggestions on what to say to the celebrities on the red carpet. (or how to say it) A couple of giggles and a lame question does not an impromptu interview make.

2. Sound and light show.
Ok, glitches happen in any live show. None of them are perfect. But fire the camera people, please. My eyes are still burning from the disco episode when the cameras were pointed directly at the back-lighting for an entire hour. Do they not learn from past experiences?
I understand that the performers might sometimes find themselves creating choreography in the middle of a live performance, but a skilled camera operator (and director) should be able to work around this without giving us so many bad angle, choppy, sloppy shots. Even Kelly who did nothing but sit on the piano for an entire song somehow managed to look awful from so many angles.

3. Ryan.
During the so-called 'pre-show' in the dressing rooms, Ryan seemed perfectly comfortable speaking with Diana about how she might be the American Idol but did some strange peddling with Fantasia. I don't recall the exact words, but he sputtered a quick "or Diana" at the end of a thought that had each person in this household groan and say, "Ok, looks like he knows Fantasia won." Does the host of the show actually have to know the winner in advance? Can't he be surprised too?
They have an entire season to prepare for a show like this. If he wants to be cute and funny, and all that, then at least give him some scripting to work with so that he doesn't fall on his face in front of millions of viewers.
We recognize that Ryan has built more production influence in his three seasons with the show, but that bit at the end when he tried to get Fantasia's family on stage and the security/production crew stopped them ... that was just sad.

4. Song selection.
This was mentioned in an earlier post but deserves repeating. Twenty minutes before they made the announcement, most viewers could have figured out the winner simply because Diana sang "I Believe". A company that earns this much money (with such a wildly successsful show) should know better.

I'll save the critiques of the outfits and performances for the truly talented critics like Larry.

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