I've read several articles about actress having to diet down to a size 2 in order to get the clothes from the best designers. It seems like in the past 5-10 years skinny standards have gotten tighter. When they had the put something on a normal woman challenge the conversatsions were all about can they design for a woman who is not a size 2.

I've talked to teenagers that are freaking out because after 16 0r 17 they put on weight (normal final growth spurt weight) and can't get into their size 0 or 2 clothes anymore. They think their lives are over and they are so obese no one will want them, so I don't think that size 2 or size 0 as being considered "normal" by people these days is that far off the mark. It is insane, but that is the standard it seems these days.

The point I was trying to make is most of the ideals for what a woman should way are insane.

I think you feel the same.

I don't know why you seem to think I think that size 2 woman are normal, even with the reduction in sizes that is rampant these days.

I think that size 10 being plus size is obscene as most normal woman that are in the 5'7" to 5'9" when they are normal weight should be like a size 10, the taller your are the bigger "normal" is IMO.

Now I have a muscular body type so I appear smaller than my weight indicates, but I wear a size 12 at 170-180 a size 10 at 155-165 and a size 8 at 140 in the sizes that currently I find at any department or discount store. The more expensive the clothes (except for formal wear that is still sized the way it was in 1960) the smaller the size I wear.

When I first hit 115 when I got my final height I was a size 8 and size 6's were too small. As I gained weight the clothes got bigger, it was really weird, do you think I am lying? Now I couldn't wear the 115 lb 8's at 140, but when I got fat the clothes got big, really