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Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-21-04, 02:43 PM (EST) "Things are getting out of hand here" Look, I enjoy a good joke as much as anyone (which should be evident from the ones I participate in), but things have gone way too far on this forum of late. I'd like to point out a few things to everyone: - The threadjacking has gone too far, and has gotten to the point of insulting newer posters. Please remember that the first guideline is to welcome new posters. Turning every discussion thread into an inside joke doesn't accomplish that goal. I don't like the trend I'm seeing of discussions being thrown off track and withering at the expense of new posters. There's nothing wrong with starting a joke thread (a good example is the Bacon-Nailbone sing-off), but it's getting tiring to watch real discussions get lost because someone thinks it's cute to start mocking the way some newer posters type. - AyaK started a thread police discussion not too long ago, and folks seem to be quickly forgetting. Save the drama for your mama, people. If there's a duplicate, alert the mods. If something's in the wrong forum, alert the mods. - There's a reason there's an Off-Topic forum. Some things belong there. Remember that and leave them off this forum.   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: Things are getting out of hand ... geekboy 05-21-04 1  Thank you, Bebo. anotherkim 05-21-04 2  Applause TeamJoisey 05-22-04 3  RE: Things are getting out of hand ... dabo 05-22-04 4  RE: Things are getting out of hand ... SeacrestOut 05-23-04 5    RE: Things are getting out of hand ... mistofleas 05-23-04 7        RE: Things are getting out of hand ... SeacrestOut 05-23-04 8            RE: Things are getting out of hand ... mrc 05-23-04 11            RE: Things are getting out of hand ... dabo 05-24-04 14                RE: Things are getting out of hand ... SeacrestOut 05-24-04 24                    RE: Things are getting out of hand ... dabo 05-24-04 26                    RE: Things are getting out of hand ... mrc 05-24-04 28                        RE: Things are getting out of hand ... SeacrestOut 05-24-04 34                            RE: Things are getting out of hand ... mrc 05-24-04 38                            RE: Things are getting out of hand ... okaychatt 05-24-04 50                            RE: Things are getting out of hand ... dabo 05-25-04 57                    RE: Things are getting out of hand ... Lisapooh 05-24-04 33                    Message boards AyaK 05-24-04 46                        RE: Message boards mistofleas 05-24-04 48                            RE: Message boards Lisapooh 05-24-04 49                                RE: Message boards anotherkim 05-25-04 61            RE: Things are getting out of hand ... mistofleas 05-24-04 15                RE: Things are getting out of hand ... SeacrestOut 05-24-04 21                    RE: Things are getting out of hand ... Bebo 05-24-04 22                        RE: Things are getting out of hand ... true 05-24-04 23                        RE: Things are getting out of hand ... SeacrestOut 05-24-04 29                            RE: Things are getting out of hand ... Bebo 05-24-04 35                            RE: Things are getting out of hand ... frankz 05-26-04 66                    RE: Things are getting out of hand ... mistofleas 05-24-04 25                    Guidelines AyaK 05-24-04 40            RE: Things are getting out of hand ... BriarRosie 05-24-04 20    RE: Things are getting out of hand ... Karennz 05-24-04 42        hmmmm Lisapooh 05-24-04 44        RE: Things are getting out of hand ... Bebo 05-24-04 45            RE: Things are getting out of hand ... dabo 05-24-04 47    RE: Things are getting out of hand ... cheri26158 05-24-04 55  My 2 cents callalilly3000 05-23-04 6    I never got welcomed.... niteowl 05-23-04 9        RE: I never got welcomed.... callalilly3000 05-23-04 10        RE: I never got welcomed.... mrc 05-23-04 12        RE: I never got welcomed.... Lisapooh 05-24-04 17            Absolutely AyaK 05-24-04 54            OH.MY.HECK! Schnookie Palookie 05-25-04 63  RE: Things are getting out of hand ... AsianOK 05-24-04 13  I sorry Breezy 05-24-04 16    RE: I sorry pheeann 05-24-04 51  RE: question dirtysouth 05-24-04 18    RE: question mrc 05-24-04 19        RE: question nailbone 05-24-04 27            Example #2 mistofleas 05-24-04 30                RE: Example #2 nailbone 05-24-04 31            RE: question mrc 05-24-04 32                RE: question nailbone 05-24-04 36                    RE: question dabo 05-24-04 37                        RE: question nailbone 05-24-04 39                        RE: question okaychatt 05-24-04 53                            RE: question dabo 05-25-04 56                                RE: question okaychatt 05-25-04 58                    RE: question hunniebunns 05-24-04 41                        RE: question nailbone 05-24-04 43                        RE: question BriarRosie 05-25-04 59        more on jacks anotherkim 05-25-04 60  RE: Things are getting out of hand ... littlemisssmartypants 05-25-04 62    RE: Things are getting out of hand ... TeamJoisey 05-25-04 64        RE: Things are getting out of hand ... littlemisssmartypants 05-25-04 65  Locking AyaK 05-26-04 67

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geekboy 1788 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 05-21-04, 03:01 PM (EST) 1. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" Bebo - i agree with you fully, and have been thinking the same exact thing. If i may make a suggestion, perhaps we should follow the lead of the Survivor boards and make an 'AI Fanatic' and 'AI Bashers' board. The persistant threads about conspiracies and other crap gets boring, and has become much worse this season. Some of us thoroughly enjoy the show. Some of us deal appropriately w/ how America screws up at times. Some of us actually like Fantasia.... geekboy   Top

anotherkim 14420 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-21-04, 03:41 PM (EST) 2. "Thank you, Bebo." I appreciate all the work that you, sleeeve (well, when he's not dead) and Ayak do here. It's not an easy job. Miscellaneous Ramblings --you're so wise for someone so young!   Top

TeamJoisey 3558 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 05-22-04, 00:34 AM (EST) 3. "Applause" Thanks, Bebo. You are right. Again. Respect the true thread police. Or they'll shoot you with their little blue guns.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-22-04, 11:35 PM (EST) 4. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" LAST EDITED ON 05-22-04 AT 11:38 PM (EST) Why, hello, Bebo, how nice of you to join us! Big Happy Belated BDay, Bebo!   Top

SeacrestOut 22 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 05-23-04, 12:33 PM (EST) 5. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" LAST EDITED ON 05-23-04 AT 01:12 PM (EST) Hello, I would like to preface this by saying this is in no way meant to be disrespectful. I know you guys put a lot of work into this site. That being said, in reguards to your post: "1) If you have a question regarding the appropriateness of a thread, the proper course of action is to alert a mod. That has been said numerous times on this forum. 2) Shedevil, it's also been said numerous times on this forum that if you hit alert for a post, don't reply to that post. How many times do you need to be told? " Are you serious? I think the biggest problem with society today is that people take themselves way too seriously. I totally understand monitoring these posts for degrading comments, vulgarity, useless banter and what not, but you guys take yourselves way too seriously. I started coming to this site about a month or so ago because I thought it was a great idea and I love American Idol. I am totally turned off on this whole forum because of how it's run. Let people speak. Not everything has to follow a strict guideline. I saw that the person who you "disciplined" in that last post has over 2000 posts. It's people like that who keep these boards going. If she's not swearing, demeaning or obscene with her posts, just let it go. And all the posts from your guys about threading and alerting and all the jazz....I don't even know what it means. And please don't bother explaining it to me. I don't care. If they're doing something wrong, just send a quick e-mail to the person who did it. I'd rather read an unorganized forum and jumbled threads than one that's filled with corrections from moderators and people being chasticized for not following the furer. I've never read the guidelines and I don't know the message-board lingo. Nor do I want to. I have the internet and I'm a big Idol fan. Why can't I just come to this site, read what other people have to say about the show, and leave my comments about what I think of the show? Seriously. And if you must correct people constantly about their methods of posting as if they were a child misbehaving in church, just do it by e-mail instead of cluttering up the message boards with useless banter that the rest of us don't want to read. I honestly find that to be so much more annoying than any other breaking of the guidelines you could come up with. I know me saying this won't do anything, but I'm not the type of person who can just ignore something that's bothering me. And the only reason I'm typing this is because I love the idea of this forum so much and most of the posters are quite interesting...but you guys run it like 1930's Nazi Germany. If you seriously just read some of the posts you make when correcting people, it's a joke. And I seriously hope you guys are joking because I work in marketing for an advertising agency and I know CEO's of fortune 500 companies that take themselves less seriously than you. It is just a bunch of people having a conversation about a TV show, right? We don't have people to moniter and guide our conversations in everyday life. Relax. Life is good.   Top

mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-23-04, 01:33 PM (EST) 7. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" It is just a bunch of people having a conversation about a TV show, right? Right. All at the expense, time and energy of the webmaster/owner of this site, Survivorblows. Since he is the one that owns this site, runs it, maintains it, appoints people to monitor the goings on, deals with problems, headaches, bitching, moaning and complaining, he (Webby) is free to make the rules of conduct for this site. We, the registered members of this site, have the pleasure of posting here or not posting here as is our choice. The only thing we are required to do is follow the guidelines that Webby has established as is his right as owner of the website and to respect those that he has appointed at moderators to maintain said guidelines. No one is putting a gun to anyones head to read or post here. If you want to be part of the site, great..fabulous. Follow the rules. If you don't like the rules, there are any number of other places out there where you can read and post about American Idol. The fact of the matter is there are guidelines to this website. Guidelines that Webby established to make reading and posting here enjoyable to everyone. By comparing those guidelines to 1930's Nazi Germany, you're insulting not only Webby, but those of us who post here and DO follow the guidelines. I saw that the person who you "disciplined" in that last post has over 2000 posts. It's people like that who keep these boards going No, as I said above, it's Webby who keeps this site going. We are here at his leisure. I imagine that if he decided to unplug RTVW he'd go to bed each night with fewer headaches. He does have a real job you know. He's not sitting at his computer 24 hours a day, 7 days a week just making RTVW happen. And: I am one of those people Bebo is talking to in her initial post. I am guilty of going Off Topic in both of the American Idol forums on numerous ocassions. I could make excuses about it, but I won't. I know and agree with the guidelines. I am guilty of infractions and have vowed to follow them more closely in the future. I happen to enjoy this site completely. I have no problem with the guidelines. You may have a problem with the guidelines and the way they are being upheld, but since you're neither the webmaster OR a mod on this site, you have one job and one job only. Follow the guidelines. Plain and simple.   Top

SeacrestOut 22 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 05-23-04, 02:47 PM (EST) 8. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" LAST EDITED ON 05-23-04 AT 02:51 PM (EST) You've just proven the point I was trying to make in my orignial post: you guys take yourselves way too seriously. My post was obviously directed at the director and founder of these so-called guidelines. Therefore, my comments and request were misdirected at the moderators of this board. I had mistakenly assumed that the moderators of this site were the owners and/or webmasters. That being the case, you should have told me to redirect my comments to the webmaster. Instead, you decided to take the matter into your own hands and write a very long and fluffy post dancing around the one question I wanted an answer to: why are the guidelines as they are. I will direct my questioning in a more productive direction next time and stop addressing them in this forum where my inquires cannot be satisfied.   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-23-04, 07:09 PM (EST) 11. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" If you were really interested in getting an answer about the guidelines, why didn't you just e-mail the mod instead of posting in this thread? By putting the question out into a public forum, you invited the public (the posters) to answer your question. Misto answered your question very nicely, so why are you making a big deal out of it? Methinks thou doth protest too much--you're a DAW just like the rest of us! Official CASH Historian--Vote RR-Boner '04 BTW, just so we're clear, according to the guidelines, calling someone a DAW is a compliment.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 02:16 AM (EST) 14. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" Dewd, first of all, the guidelines here were developed over several years, a lot of experience and input went into them. Second of all, Webby is a busy guy, that's why he's got designated blues policing the forums. Third of all, the message boards are both the most problem-generating and least revenue-generating aspects of the site, so buy a vowel already. Do people take themselves way too seriously? Yes, some of them probably do. So what. Let them. Live your life as you see fit and let them live their lives as they see fit. Diversity and participation are what make message boards like these worthwhile. Meanwhile, if you want to help Webby out, click on one of the ads sometimes, that'll do a lot more good than grousing. Every little bit helps.   Top

SeacrestOut 22 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 05-24-04, 03:30 PM (EST) 24. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" LAST EDITED ON 05-24-04 AT 03:34 PM (EST) "Dewd, first of all, the guidelines here were developed over several years, a lot of experience and input went into them." If those guidelines seriously took years to develope, then I have nothing more to say. The Declaration of Independance didn't take that long to develope. And that's not an exaggeration. So if it's true that it took years to develope those guidelines, that further proves my point that some people take themselves way too seriously. And experience? What does that even mean? They hired a specialist with "quideline expiernce" to help with the toilsome task of making rules for this site? "...the message boards are both the most problem-generating and least revenue-generating aspects of the site, so buy a vowel already...if you want to help Webby out, click on one of the ads sometimes, that'll do a lot more good than grousing. Every little bit helps." If that were the case, no site would have message boards. I'm not sure if you read in my original post that I work as an account exec. for an advertising agnecy and I handle a great deal of web advertising for huge companies. The reason forums like this are implimented even though they are extremely time consuming, is because what attracts web advertisers is sites with large amounts of daily hits. But more important than that is how long those people stay on that website in a given visit. For example: I go to weather.com every morning before I leave for work to see what my local weather is like. The page has it set up for me so it gives the current temperature and the forecast for the day. I'm on the site for maybe 5 seconds. That's everyday. Let's assume 1 million people do the same thing. The site could brag that they get 1 million hits a day. But as an advertiser, I would ask how long the average user browses their site and they tell me the average time per user is only 30 seconds. I'm not going to be very impressed because if I put an ad on that site, what are the chances the person is spending the time to look everything over on that site? Not good. But, if I come to a site like this, which may only get 500,000 hits per day (which is probably being generous), but each person spends an average of 15 or 20 minutes per visit, that is much more appealing to me as an advertiser because I know the viewers of this site are sitting down and browsing the site, which means a better chance of seeing my ad. The amount of people that actually click on one of the ads from this site makes no difference at all. If it does, then I would love to have a talk to whoever handles the ads on this site, because they're getting shafted. That's like saying we have to buy Coke or American Idol will go off the air. "Diversity and participation are what make message boards like these worthwhile." That is my entire point!!! My point is that the guidelines don't allow for diversity and open and honest participation. They restrict it! Once again, I'll make sure I make it clear that none of this is meant to be an attack or an insult on you. It's just interesting and slightly frustrating to me that so many people in this day and age are so willing to blindly follow without stepping back and looking at the big picture. Conformity is quite easy. It doesn't require much independant thought. You told me I should just let people live how they want I and should leave them alone. In the very next sentence you praised diversity and participation. My post was a diverse participation from the norm. You're telling me to do two polar opposite things. Make a choice. Until next time. SeacrestOut   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 03:46 PM (EST) 26. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" Experience means that part of what went into the development of the guidelines were the problems that cropped up on these very boards over several years. Believe me, some of the things that happened, no one who was around for them wants to see them repeated. As for the message boards, they aren't all that profitable. The news pages at RTVW generate revenue, the message boards are actually cost-prohibitive and time-consuming. The rules aren't fascist or machiavellian or whatever you would like to categorize them as being. They exist to promote a friendly atmosphere for all who elect to post on these boards, it really isn't any more complicated than that.   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 03:50 PM (EST) 28. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" "If those guidelines seriously took years to develope, then I have nothing more to say. The Declaration of Independance didn't take that long to develope." The Declaration is not a good example to use. It is a general mission statement, not a set of guidelines. The Constitution would be a better comparison. It has specific guidelines that took months to develop, but it was based on centuries of experience. Anywho, I suspect Webby had to modify his guidelines to meet the demands of ever-increasing use of the Internet. If he wants a forum with guidelines, so be it. There are pelnty of others where bad language, horrible spelling, derogatory, racist, sexist, etc. posts are allowed and even encouraged by the conformist mindset that prevails among those who can type the fastest and the LOUDEST. Is this particular site conformist? Not really. I've met a lot of different people with many different views. Do they want me to think like they do? Like any human, probably, to some extent. We all like to think we are right and others are wrong. So, from that perspective, it is conformist. By following the guidelines, certainly, one is conforming. The guidelines bring order from chaos and help keep things relatively neat. Just like the laws of the nation, discipline in the home, standards in the workplace or classroom--you get my point. If a particular poster put a bee in your bonnet and led you down this path, I am truly sorry. However, you don't seem to have visited enough of the boards and talked with enough of the posters to make a general indictment against what is going on here. You can always leave and go to an anarchic, chaotic message board. Or, you can stay and try to give us diversity and enlightenment by voicing your opinion within the guidelines. Official CASH Historian--Vote RR-Boner '04   Top

SeacrestOut 22 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 05-24-04, 04:05 PM (EST) 34. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" By far, the most well-organized and well-versed thoughts I've read on here. But I deal with people who try that every day. Articulate words and smooth talking has a hard time covering up a lack of information and research. While everything you say is completely agreeable, they are still generalized, blanket statements that didn't really address my issue. I summed it up in my original post by saying if these guidelines are truely a must, can't the problems be handled via e-mail so the rest of us don't have to be bothered by it? That way, if there's a debate, the moderator and the poster could deal with it in privacy and the rest of us could continue with conversations as intended. And the whole Declaration of Independance/Constitution thing is just splitting hairs. The point is if guidelines for a message board on the internet about tv shows takes more than 15 minutes (20, if you're a slow typer) then you're wasting too much time. I'll say it again...it is just a bunch of people talking about a tv show. If you want to make this a friendly, open environment, I could put together some guidlines quite simply. ****Everyone who chooses to post in the message boards must use kind, appropriate, non-degrading language that makes all feel welcome and invited.***** There, live and be happy with my guidlines.   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 04:24 PM (EST) 38. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" A smooth-talker, eh? I don't get that often! Okay, I can buy your guidelines, but aren't they a bit general and blanketish? What are you going to do if someone violates your guidelines? Do they get a warning? Immediate ejection? Slappped with a wet noodle? The guidelines aren't there just to make your life complicated. Not all of them have to do with penalizing conversation. Some of them are to help those who don't know how TO TURN OFF THEIR CAPS, or to use punctuation so that we dont get confused by what theyre saying, or two spel corektly so that the mak cents. I think you get it and are just enjoying the debate. Frankly, I don't mind you expressing your opinions, although I don't think you are as supportive of others expressing themselves as you like to say you are. That's okay with me. Official CASH Historian--Vote RR-Boner '04 BTW, historians wouldn't consider it splitting hairs. Just sayin'.   Top

okaychatt 2810 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 05-24-04, 05:26 PM (EST) 50. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" "...can't the problems be handled via e-mail so the rest of us don't have to be bothered by it?" Good advice. Try it. okaychatt, signing off from the rest of the bickering.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-25-04, 01:21 AM (EST) 57. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" LAST EDITED ON 05-25-04 AT 02:10 AM (EST) >****Everyone who chooses to post in >the message boards must use >kind, appropriate, non-degrading language that >makes all feel welcome and >invited.***** >There, live and be happy with >my guidlines. Well, that's not horrible actually, though the tenor could use some work. I actually rather liked the original informal guidelines that were put in place when the site was founded, they used to appear at the top of every forum page: "Play fair, be nice." Simple, elegant, straight to the point, wouldn't you say? Unfortunately, that didn't work, people tended to ignore it when it suited them to ignore it. That was replaced with a Zero Tolerance Policy, so some people got inventive about how to get around it, so then it was back to the drawing board. Experience is a very good teacher. Anyway, the simple fact of the matter is this: The operating philosophy at this site is one of civility. Antagonism isn't requisite for diversity, it is only requisite for antagonism. Diversity tends to take care of itself for the most part, though in fact antagonism tends to stifle rather than promote it. It doesn't particularly promote participation either, other than antagonistic participation. There are plenty of sites in cyberspace where antagonism is allowed. Many of them don't last very long, but there always do seem to be plenty of them out there. edited to include link: http://www.jsonline.com/enter/tvradio/cuprisin/aug00/survive10080900.asp   Top

Lisapooh 12664 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 04:04 PM (EST) 33. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" the guidelines were years in the making - in the sense that for the first two years or so - we didn't have any established guidelines. They were developed to stop a lot of the problems that existed here at that time. It wasn't exactly a free exchange of ideas in a forum without posted rules - it was more of a free-for-all that required a lot more oversight from the volunteer moderators than it should have. I think the rules have helped rather than hurt - but I have the perspective of seeing it both ways. I'm sure the mods consider the guidelines to be fluid. If we can amend the constitution, surely we can amend our guidelines if the need arises. I personally don't see a need. I get along just fine here and don't feel constricted at all (other than not being able to tell some folks exactly what I think of them) But keep in mind that this isn't a democracy either. You can take this board or leave it if it doesn't change to suit you. I'm not overly concerned with it one way or another. And these long diatribes about how unfair all of it is make your overwrought proclamations of the established posters taking themselves far too seriously ring just a little false. I suppose maybe we look like brown-nosers to you and maybe other new posters as well. But I really don't think that's the case. I've been here longer than several of the mods and don't really feel compelled to kiss anyone's ass on a message board of all things. But because so many of us have been here a long time we do consider each other friends and we do usually agree and support each other. that's what friends do. Many of us know each other away from the boards - we talk, we visit, a few have even vacationed together. We are a tight-knit group. Although not a cohesive or exclusive one. This site came into existence as an alternative to Survivor Sucks - a flame-festival, elistist moronic monkeyhouse (at least at the time). Reality TV World is the antithesis of that - we want and encourage new posters to share their opinions. Is it so much to ask that they do that and follow the rules? Webby said it best - the site is called Survivor Blows - how effing seriously could we take ourselves with a name like that.? Being respectful, not flaming each other and letting the mods handle problems? These are unreasonable requests? Please. I don't like to be lectured on my behavior and I don't like issuing lectures either. But now I'm on a roll, so the lecture will soon spew forth. Personally, I think there's been plenty of blame to go around - both with new posters violating the guidelines and established posters being over-zealous in policing them. Some shows just generate a lot of negativity. This season of AI is certainly one of them. The show will be over and the obnoxious overbearing posts will be over with them. At least until Joe Schmo 2 starts.   Top

AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 04:56 PM (EST) 46. "Message boards" While reading this thread, I found this post by dabo which was absolutely accurate ... and I want to make a few comment to your response. >If those guidelines seriously took years to develope, then I have >nothing more to say. The Declaration of Independance didn't >take that long to develope. And that's not an exaggeration. Only someone ignorant of history would make that comment. Sam Adams and his Sons of Liberty started the movement for "liberty" back after the Intolerable Acts. But the decade of the 1770s was consumed by discussions of what "liberty" meant, with a range from representation in Parliament (the preferred option of those friendly to England) to outright separation (Adams' preference). The Revolutionary War started on April 19, 1775, and the Declaration of Independence wasn't published until July 4, 1776, so even after the shooting had started, the colonists weren't sure what they wanted. The Declaration didn't take all that long to WRITE once people knew what the wanted, but that to years to develop. Similarly, the guidelines didn't take all that long to write, but it took us a long time to know IF we even wanted them. >"...the message boards are both the most problem-generating and least revenue-generating >aspects of the site, so buy a vowel already...if you want to help Webby out, >click on one of the ads sometimes, that'll do a lot more good than grousing. >Every little bit helps." > >If that were the case, no site would have message boards. > I'm not sure if you read in my original post that I work as >an account exec. for an advertising agnecy and I handle >a great deal of web advertising for huge companies. >The reason forums like this are implimented even though they >are extremely time consuming, is because what attracts web advertisers >is sites with large amounts of daily hits. But more important than that is >how long those people stay on that website in a >given visit. There is a kernel of truth in here. You're right that we don't use "pay-ONLY-if-you-click" ads any longer on the message boards. However, if you really do Web ads, you'd know that NO ONE will pay very much for message board advertising. We started the news pages because we couldn't support the site with the ads from the message boards. As things developed, we were able to attract some fairly decent ads for the news pages, but that doesn't make the message boards more attractive to Web advertisers. Of course, if you know of some advertisers who would be willing to pay good rates for message-board viewers, feel free to let us know! >That is my entire point!!! My point is that the >guidelines don't allow for diversity and open and honest participation. > They restrict it! But what is "open and honest participation"? Swearing at people who disagree with you? Starting 10 threads that say fundamentally the same thing? The guidelines DO permit posters to argue divergent opinions, as long as they remain respectful. Name-calling is "open", I guess, and it's probably "honest" -- but you're not the one who has to clean up the mess when 10 people quit the site with big, weepy farewell posts over how cruelly they were treated by the other posters, and then the remaining members of their clique jump in, and the whole battle starts all over again. Several of the posters here -- dabo, Lisapooh, mistofleas, anotherkim, etc. -- have been in the middle of such battles. We didn't like it. We don't want it to happen again. It seems to us that nipping it in the bud, by stopping people from calling each other "idiot" or "a$$hole" from the beginning, is better than trying to referee later. Maybe we're wrong, but it's worked for now.   Top

mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 05:02 PM (EST) 48. "RE: Message boards" Several of the posters here -- dabo, Lisapooh, mistofleas, anotherkim, etc. -- have been in the middle of such battles. We didn't like it. We don't want it to happen again. It seems to us that nipping it in the bud, by stopping people from calling each other "idiot" or "a$$hole" from the beginning, is better than trying to referee later. Maybe we're wrong, but it's worked for now. Thank you Ayak. Thank you. --also says thank you for your words in your first post to this thread as well   Top

Lisapooh 12664 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 05:05 PM (EST) 49. "RE: Message boards" yeah - and I so don't want to have to leave in a huff again. this place almost fell apart without my daily contributions. I can't have that on my conscious.   Top

anotherkim 14420 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-25-04, 11:06 AM (EST) 61. "RE: Message boards" you're not leaving again, even if I have to nail your snappy ass to the floor. --and Ayak is totally right. Rules are good, people. Really.   Top

mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 08:11 AM (EST) 15. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" You've just proven the point I was trying to make in my orignial post: you guys take yourselves way too seriously. LOL! If you think that they you haven't read very many of my posts! Instead, you decided to take the matter into your own hands and write a very long and fluffy post dancing around the one question I wanted an answer to: why are the guidelines as they are. Ahh, but you didn't actually ask that question. You critisized, complained and insulted, but you didn't ask the question: "Why are the guidelines as they are." I re-read your post several times. There is no question "why are the guidelines as they are." If you had actually asked said question, I would have answered it. Dabo has already done that so I will let his words stand. Listen, what it comes down to is this: No on expects you to take everything here on "blind faith". If you have questions about how the site operates ask. You'll have more than enough people happy to show off their knowledge of the site and help you out. But you do actually have to ask the question you really want answered. You also have to ask the right person. That being the case, you should have told me to redirect my comments to the webmaster. Instead, you decided to take the matter into your own hands... You said you mistakenly assumed that the moderators were the owner/operators of the site. Fair mistake. You haven't been here long, sometimes the hierarchy can be hard to figure out on a new site. When you post such critisisms on the open forum, you're going to get answers from people who (in your mind) the question was not directed. If you REALLY were only directing the question to the moderators or the owner of the site, you could have followed your own advice and just emailed one of the blue people. They aren't hard to spot, they've got little blue icons next to their names and they're listed to the right of each of the forums on the main message board page, in blue. That said, I hope that you can take a step back from your annoyance at me, see how my responses to you are meant with the best intentions of helping you understand how we work around here and continue posting your thoughts and opinions. If you continue to have a problem with me, personally, I'll be more than happy to continue trying to explain in private. To continue a discussion of personal problems between 2 posters on the open forums is unfair to the rest of the members who actually want to talk about AI.   Top

SeacrestOut 22 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 05-24-04, 03:02 PM (EST) 21. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" ***I re-read your post several times. There is no question "why are the guidelines as they are."*** That was the entire jist of my post. If you couldn't infer that, I don't know what else I can tell you. It would have been quite stupid and boring for me to make a post simply asking, "why are the guidelines the way they are." I wanted to convey emotion, give examples and use logical explinations to prove my point. After the long and detailed post I made, I thought it might be rather trivial to end it with the question at hand. It seemed to be very well explained. ***If you REALLY were only directing the question to the moderators or the owner of the site, you could have followed your own advice and just emailed one of the blue people.*** As a matter or fact, I started by e-mailing the three moderators on this site. They were the only ones I could find, so if there are others, I don't know about them. After several days of no response, I figured I would post it in the forums, thinking that a public "airing of greivences" would arouse an answer of sorts from them. Not only that, but the post that was started by a moderator titled, "Things Are Getting Out of Hand" seemed like the perfect place to put that post. Big surprise, I have yet to get any type of a response from a moderator. ***If you continue to have a problem with me, personally, I'll be more than happy to continue trying to explain in private.*** I have absolutely no problem with you what-so-ever. Nor should I. You articulate your thoughts quite well, which is a rare quality most indivduals don't posess these days. My problem was that I was looking for an answer from someone who actually has a say in what goes on. I wasn't looking for a debate. If I were looking for a debate, that would mean I am open for thoughts that would sway my opinion. One result of this little post of mine that I find quite interesting is the incredibly high number of e-mails I've received from people praising me for finally saying something about this matter. In fact, I received over 50 e-mails so far, all of them praise. I haven't received one e-mail supporting the guidelines. The only people that support the guidelines are posting their support publicly so they can presumably get praise from the moderators. The the number of posts in support of the guidelines pales in comparisson to the e-mails I've received agreeing with my views. I won't post any names because that's no fair to those people. But I will post a few quotes from various e-mails I've received, just to show I'm not blowing smoke up your pants. (I'm not sure if it's against the Third Reich's rules to say '#####' or not) "...But, as your post proves, there are the butt-kissing bunch who are ready to jump right in and be the class pet whenever anything is addressed that should have been left to a mod..." "...I've often wondered why some of these rules are in place. They really don't make any sense to me either. I hope this will cause them to reconsider some of the more rediculous ones..." "...You hit the nail right on the head! This site is rediculous. I'm through with it..." "...I hate the guidelines..." The intent of any of my posts was not to bash, insult or put down anyone who runs, operates or contributes to the site. The only purpose was to show how futile and absurd some of these guidelines are.   Top

Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 03:14 PM (EST) 22. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" After several days of no response, I figured I would post it in the forums, thinking that a public "airing of greivences" would arouse an answer of sorts from them. That's a lie. I didn't receive an email from you until yesterday, the same day you posted on this thread. Silly me, I was going to put some time into a response, instead of throwing something together in the midst of preparing for a moving truck to show up at my house. But if you're going to lie to try and make your case stronger, I'm not going to waste the energy on you. If you don't like the guidelines, leave. Plain and simple. Trust me, you won't be missed.   Top

true 9689 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 03:27 PM (EST) 23. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" If you don't like the guidelines, leave. Plain and simple. Trust me, you won't be missed. Would it be out of line for me to suggest that he take his 50 supporters (yeah, right) with him?   Top

SeacrestOut 22 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 05-24-04, 03:51 PM (EST) 29. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" There's no reason for me to lie to a group of people I never have, nor never will meet. I have friends, family, clients and co-workers to lie to. At least I could benefit by lying to those people. Lying on here does my no good. What would I possibly have to gain even if I got every poster on this site to agree with me? Not one thing. My reasoning for my original post was completely selfish. Seeing people get corrected for rediculous things was quite annoying. I was looking for praise or admiration from people I don't know. There are a lot of people I meet every day who I don't want admiring or praising me simply because I don't like the type of person they are. I don't know what type of people any of the posters are in here, so I have no reason to attempt to get their praise. This is the internet and e-mail, so I did assume there could be problems with you receiving my e-mail. I also assumed that you guys most likely get a large sum of e-mail every day, so you may have deleted mine during your sorting. Notice that I didn't bring up the fact that none of you responded to my e-mail in my original post. I was giving all of you the benefit of the doubt. I didn't bring it up until several posters accused me of being a hypocrit for not airing my problems in e-mail, rather than on a post. My original post was made early Sunday morning. Over 24 hours with no response from a moderator. But as soon as I say I sent e-mail with no response, one of you answered within minutes. Very interesting. I've made it very clear in every post that I make that none of this is meant to be personal. Yet, you take it personally by calling me a liar and getting upset. I never have, nor will I ever bring your characted into question. That's insane to do. Yet you just did it. I have only questioned the absurdity of the guidelines. And I'm sure you're right. I wouldn't be missed. But I can't imagine anyone on here being missed. None of you know each other. How could you possibly miss someone's opinions. There is no personal connection here at all. And if you do happen to know people who post on here personally, you'll probably talk outside of the message boards, so you wouldn't miss them if they stopped posting. I'm   Top

Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 04:05 PM (EST) 35. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" My original post was made early Sunday morning. Over 24 hours with no response from a moderator. The timestamp in my inbox said that the email was delivered Sunday, the same day as your post, and there is nothing in your post that says you sent it earlier. Since you specifically refer to this thread, which wasn't even started until Friday, you further weaken your argument that you gave the mods several days to respond. "Over 24 hours" and "several days" have two different meanings. Since I did receive email with Friday and Saturday timestamps, and since you refer to a post that was made on a Friday, I don't believe you when you say you gave the mods days to respond. That's why I called you a liar - because you lied. Why did I respond so quickly today? Because I've packed for the movers. Yesterday, real life did not permit the time for a response. That's exactly why we remind people in the guidelines that we all have lives outside of these forums and how that should be respected. Have whip, will travel.   Top

frankz 1214 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 05-26-04, 10:19 AM (EST) 66. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" Mr seacrest Isn’t it interesting that your “supporters” misspell the same word as you do? Not once, but in 2 separate quotes. Rediculous is spelled ridiculous. Surely a person who “works in marketing for an advertising agency” knows how to use a spellchecker. If not, I would certainly be quite apprehensive in using your ad agency. Misspelling the word in your “examples” as well as in your posts seem to draw your credibility into question. But that’s just my opinion. At the risk of violating the guidelines, might I suggest you concentrate more on your job than to post numerous arguments during work hours? (As seems to be demonstrated by the times of your posts) I’m sure your employer (and everyone else) would appreciate it. I’ve been on this board for several years and enjoy it. If I didn’t, I would find another place that embraces my personal philosophy rather than try to make the world conform to my wishes. It’s a free country. As has been said, “If you don't like the guidelines, leave. Plain and simple. Trust me, you won't be missed.” Sounds like good advice to me. Sigh!!!   Top

mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 03:42 PM (EST) 25. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" I was going to respond to you Seacrestout, but frankly you're nailing your own coffin shut, so I'm just going to step back and watch. --remembers the last time someone, without permission, posted emails they'd received from others and it wasn't pretty   Top

AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 04:27 PM (EST) 40. "Guidelines" LAST EDITED ON 05-24-04 AT 04:31 PM (EST) Why are the guidelines the way they are? Because it seemed to us that the best way to run the board was with the guidelines. See, we had a number of problems over the years with "cliques" forming and then waging war on one another. Then, when we banned people for pushing it too far, the remaining people would complain because they felt our actions were too arbitrary. With the guidelines, we lay out what we think are reasonable standards of behavior. The guidelines aren't blessed with any wisdom other than that of the moderators and the webmaster. We make no claim that they are the best of all possible guidelines. All we can say is that our life has been easier with them. >As a matter or fact, I started by e-mailing the three moderators on this site. >They were the only ones I could find, so if there are others, I don't >know about them. After several days of no response, I figured I would post >it in the forums, thinking that a public "airing of greivences" would arouse an answer >of sorts from them. If you e-mailed me regarding this, it must have bounced back from my mailbox. Unfortunately, during times on Idol when someone posts something like an obscenity directed to all posters who don't like Fantasia (which happened during the week) or Diana (which happened over the weekend), I get so many alerts that my mailbox overflows, and some messages are rejected. My apologies if this happened to your message. >Big surprise, I have yet to get any type of a >response from a moderator. In fact, you're only getting a response from me now because someone alerted your post! I simply don't have the time to read everything posted, and I don't even try. >One result of this little post of mine that I find >quite interesting is the incredibly high number of e-mails I've >received from people praising me for finally saying something about >this matter. In fact, I received over 50 e-mails so far, all of them >praise. I haven't received one e-mail supporting the guidelines. I have to say that, as one of the principal authors of the guidelines, this doesn't bother me one bit. I realize that a lot of people view the guidelines as an affront to their "right" to post whatever they want wherever and whenever they want. That's part of why we resisted writing guidelines for so long. However, we finally reached a point where the number of conflicts threatened to overwhelm the board, and we had to do something. >The only people that support the guidelines are posting their support publicly so they >can presumably get praise from the moderators. Knowing nothing about these people, you feel free to criticize them by presuming their motivations, huh? Maybe if you knew that some of these people went through the recurrent battles, you'd understand that their support for the guidelines is motivated by more than their desire to receive a pat on the head or a scratch behind the ears from Webby or me. To me, this is the most obnoxious comment in your posts. >The number of posts in support of the guidelines pales in >comparisson to the e-mails I've received agreeing with my views. > I won't post any names because that's not fair to those people... Everyone is welcome to believe whatever they want. I don't care if they think the guidelines are a gigantic jackboot trying to crush their "freedom of expression" under its heel. What I do care about is avoiding a repeat of the battles that almost consumed these boards. From my viewpoint, the guidelines are the best way to accomplish that. >(I'm not sure if it's against the Third Reich's rules to say '#####' >or not) Looks like the DC Forums software made that decision for you, yes? Uh, if I have to be compared to the Third Reich, I'd rather be Rommel, by the way. >"...But, as your post proves, there are the butt-kissing bunch who >are ready to jump right in and be the class >pet whenever anything is addressed that should have been left >to a mod..." One thing I have expressed, though, is that I don't want people to act as "thread police." Generally, I'm perfectly happy to have, say, mistofleas or anotherkim make a post to represent what I would have said had I posted. But I'd prefer to leave such "support" to misto, ak or a few others that I know will reflect our position accurately AND have also been through enough battles to understand the reason for the rules. Note that moderators aren't monolithic either. We react based on our individual personalities, and we're all different. Thus, no two mods will handle the same situation the same way. But we'll all support each other's actions. Best advice: if something happens that you don't agree with, and if you can't just abide by the decision, raise the issue POLITELY with the mod that did it. (Example: I warned someone on the Off-Topic Board; that person sent me a polite e-mail citing reasons why my warning was unjustified; I e-mailed that person back withdrawing the warning. Yes, it does happen, but we try to keep such discussions off the site.) >"...You hit the nail right on the head! This site >is rediculous. I'm through with it..." Whoever feels that way is welcome to leave, because we have no intention of changing the guidelines without some indication that they are not working in reducing the ongoing number of problems, and our experience so far has been that they are working. I just hope that the new site that you join doesn't melt down. I've certainly seen enough sites that did! If this doesn't answer your questions, feel free to send me an e-mail. But this public discussion is over, at least on my end. I hope that doesn't make me a Nazi in your eyes, but even if it does, I can live with it.   Top

BriarRosie 990 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 05-24-04, 12:54 PM (EST) 20. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" I don't think it's a matter of "taking things seriously", but a matter of mutual respect. Of the years I've posted to message boards, newsgroups, and email lists, some are moderated, others aren't. If you go to a moderated group, follow the posting rules. It's a matter of respecting the group owner's wishes. If you want to post anything on your mind, go to Usenet newsgroups. Many of them are unmoderated, and you can sort through lots of garbage and trolls. But nobody has any right to tell you how to post there. (Although some people THINK they can tell others what to post. LOL) I happen to prefer moderated groups, but occasionally read Usenet. The way I see it, if I'm in a group with rules, if I don't follow them, the group owner has every right to enforce the rules and kick me out if I don't comply. (Many groups will ask respectfully to comply before booting anyone out.) Lori Survivor: Adventurers Club Outdrink, Outlaugh, Outkungaloosh!   Top

Karennz 112 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 05-24-04, 04:46 PM (EST) 42. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" THANK YOU!!! (Yes, I know I'm shouting.) Can't add anything more. Just wanted you to know that you SO speak for me, SeacrestOut! Ditto on the lighten up/it's just a message board-TV show/etc., etc., etc. There are lots worse things that should be commanding the moderators' attention than how many duplicate posts there are, and whether someone has responded in the proper form or forum.   Top

Lisapooh 12664 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 04:52 PM (EST) 44. "hmmmm" I wonder if SeacrestOut will consider you a brown noser since you responded publically or if he makes a special exception for people who agree with him? Sorry, but that one was too easy. Seriously, y'all can keep posting away - you don't have to like or even agree with me to be welcomed by me. So, welcome. I have to admit that I don't understand why you keep posting at a site that you dislike though. Or why some psoters feel compelled to tell the moderators how to change the board to better suit them. Or what is or isn't important on a board that is not their own. There are tons of other boards that have an anything goes policy if you feel that format is more suited to you. It's really just a preference thing isn't it?   Top

Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 04:54 PM (EST) 45. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" There are lots worse things that should be commanding the moderators' attention than how many duplicate posts there are, and whether someone has responded in the proper form or forum. Could you please alert us when you encounter specific examples? If it seems like all we do is address duplicate posts, it's because those are what are brought to our attention the most. If you see a problem with a post that you think a mod should address, please let us know. Don't just assume that someone else has told us about it. Have whip, will travel.   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 04:58 PM (EST) 47. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" Someone in this thread used the word "debate." I think that was being too kind in describing what was happening. Anyway, have a nice move, wish you all the happiness in the world in your new digs.   Top

cheri26158 31 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 05-24-04, 11:09 PM (EST) 55. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" LAST EDITED ON 05-24-04 AT 11:12 PM (EST) " And I seriously hope you guys are joking because I work in marketing for an advertising agency and I know CEO's of fortune 500 companies that take themselves less seriously than you. It is just a bunch of people having a conversation about a TV show, " all companies have policies. I have worked for many of the top companies in the world and know no CEO who is not serious about their business, what they say and what their employees are doing. Especially in a Fortune 500, human resources would be all over it. It is a litiginous society so they have rules they follow. I would be really surprised that u think that noone working for these people have not recieved a memo or a pink slip in their lifetime. You don't get to the top in those organizations allowing " questionable behavior to go unchecked." The point of this is all companies who make a profit probably run an operation that has some controls. Whatever the webmaster does here, i'm sure is with good reason. These boards remain pleasant due to the people who donate their time to keep it that way. Thank you for doing a fine job.   Top

callalilly3000 693 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 05-23-04, 01:16 PM (EST) 6. "My 2 cents" LAST EDITED ON 05-23-04 AT 01:17 PM (EST) May I say, that everyone has been nothing but nice to me since I have been posting here. From day one, when I started a new thread without reading the quidlines first. (lucky for me, it wasn't a duplicate). I was sent welcome greetings from alot of posters. There are some great people here. Much love   Top

niteowl 199 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 05-23-04, 02:56 PM (EST) 9. "I never got welcomed...." I love this site. I got a little bit addicted to it...but i never got my "welcome"! Oh well, at least i didn't attract any negative attention yet! Oh, and I can see both sides of the discussion going on here. Follow the rules and lighten up!   Top

callalilly3000 693 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 05-23-04, 03:22 PM (EST) 10. "RE: I never got welcomed...." LAST EDITED ON 05-23-04 AT 03:25 PM (EST) I got to be honest. I didn't get my welcomes from posting in the AI thread. I got my welcomes when I went over to the OT forum. The AI forums brought to these boards, but the OT forum has kept me here. There are alot of great people, and very interesting topics that are discussed. So if you have not ventured out of AI, I suggest that you go check out OT, there you will receive very warm welcomes. ( oh, and by the way, WELCOME!)   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-23-04, 07:11 PM (EST) 12. "RE: I never got welcomed...." Welcome, niteowl! Glad to have you. Official CASH Historian--Vote RR-Boner '04   Top

Lisapooh 12664 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 09:15 AM (EST) 17. "RE: I never got welcomed...." Welcome niteowl - I first came to this site over three years ago - and no one ever welcomed me either. I think it might be a conspiracy or you know bitterness and jealousy. It's hard to say. It's hard to be accepted when you are as marvelous as you and I are. People just get intimidated is all. Consider yourself welcomed now - and really - a welcome from me carries much more cache then some cheesey crap basket full of spam. I'm a legend you know.   Top

AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 09:09 PM (EST) 54. "Absolutely" Lisapooh is too modest to admit it, but one new poster referred to her as the "Great Entity of the Thread." And so she is.   Top

Schnookie Palookie 16822 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-25-04, 04:43 PM (EST) 63. "OH.MY.HECK!" Pooh!!! Did you just call my crap baskets "cheesey"? I'm crushed! would it make it better if I added some Cheetos?   Top

AsianOK 32 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 05-24-04, 00:42 AM (EST) 13. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" when people got so heated up with what they diagree, they easily lose control of their fingers. thanks for the reminder.   Top

Breezy 18380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 08:40 AM (EST) 16. "I sorry" I've been part of thread jacks, I hope I haven't insulted anyone while doing so. I'm sorry if I have, but I still stand by my statement that yellow jello shots aren't as good as the others. Save a horse, ride a cowboy.   Top

pheeann 101 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 05-24-04, 06:04 PM (EST) 51. "RE: I sorry" Okay, me too. I got caught up in the moment. I'm putting myself on time-out. Seriously, I didn't go into gory detail with these posts. I don't have that much time or popcorn (or jello shots). If you've got any internet savvy at all, you realize every open site has to have guidelines. For a nominal fee, you too can have your own site with your own guidelines. Being a techie, I appreciate the time put into keeping this site what it is. Keep up the good work.   Top

dirtysouth 21 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson" 05-24-04, 09:30 AM (EST) 18. "RE: question" Someone please explain to me what exactly a thread jack is? -Handcrafted by RollDdice -Leaders are like Eagles..they don't flock..you find them one at a time-   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 11:33 AM (EST) 19. "RE: question" A thread jack is when posters begin discussing an entirely different topic in a thread than the original poster intended. So, Bebo started this thread to warn AI posters about being nice, welcoming, etc. If you and I started talking about football in this thread, that would be thread-jacking. Most of the time, it is done as banter between posters who know one another. Sometimes, it is done intentionally as a way to liven up a duplicate post or a post that doesn't make any sense. If you look around the AI forums, you'll see a lot of these. It can be fun, but the mods, if I am reading them correctly, are trying to keep those limited to OT as much as possible b/c newbies find them annoying and distracting. Official CASH Historian--Vote RR-Boner '04 Anyone want to add to that explanation?   Top

nailbone 27263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 03:47 PM (EST) 27. "RE: question" I like pudding. Cool new sig courtesy of Jslice o-   Top

mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 03:52 PM (EST) 30. "Example #2" But you never eat the pudding skin, so you're obviously not qualified to voice that opinion out loud. --actually can't remember NB's stance on pudding skin and was just using it as an example   Top

nailbone 27263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 03:54 PM (EST) 31. "RE: Example #2" Hey, nobody ever said I had to be qualified. 'Sides, around me pudding doesn't last long enough to skin over. Just don't tell me to shut up. Cool new sig courtesy of Jslice o- I *heart* Misto always.   Top

mrc 10113 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 03:55 PM (EST) 32. "RE: question" Chocolate or vanilla? Refrigerated, homemade, or boxed? Official CASH Historian--Vote RR-Boner '04 See how easy this is?   Top

nailbone 27263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 04:06 PM (EST) 36. "RE: question" Tapioca. In them little cups. Cool new sig courtesy of Jslice o-   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 04:19 PM (EST) 37. "RE: question" tapioca, yuck! hope you don't mind but i disagree with you about tapioca, yuck yuck yuck! not that i'm trying to be disagreeable, but tapioca is really yucky.   Top

nailbone 27263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 04:26 PM (EST) 39. "RE: question" My college roommate called it "fish eggs in library paste". Cool new sig courtesy of Jslice o-   Top

okaychatt 2810 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 05-24-04, 09:03 PM (EST) 53. "RE: question" "tapioca is really yucky" Tapioca = Fish Eyes Pudding My first threadjacking participation. Aren't you proud?   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-25-04, 01:00 AM (EST) 56. "RE: question" Right On! Tapioca is the yuckiest of puddings.   Top

okaychatt 2810 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 05-25-04, 08:30 AM (EST) 58. "RE: question" LAST EDITED ON 05-25-04 AT 08:30 AM (EST) "Tapioca is the yuckiest of puddings." It's the texture of the squish when biting into a spoonful. EWWWWWWWWWWWWW! ETA - and then there's brussel sprouts. EWWWW to the 10th power!!!!!   Top

hunniebunns 119 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 05-24-04, 04:37 PM (EST) 41. "RE: question" LAST EDITED ON 05-24-04 AT 04:39 PM (EST) OMG! You guys are too funny! I spit Diet Dr. Pepper all over my monitor when I read Nailbone's pudding post. hunnie Etd: to give Nailbone credit for the laughter in my heart. (sweet, huh?)   Top

nailbone 27263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-24-04, 04:52 PM (EST) 43. "RE: question" Yo, bunns! Welcome to the boards. Now trot on over to OT if you haven't already, intro yourself, and properly receive your welcoming crapbasket! Cool new sig courtesy of Jslice o-   Top

BriarRosie 990 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent" 05-25-04, 08:58 AM (EST) 59. "RE: question" Mmmm. Tapioca pudding *and* Diet Dr. Pepper. I like 'em both. Is it wrong? (And I was welcomed when I first posted.) Lori Survivor: Adventurers Club Outdrink, Outlaugh, Outkungaloosh!   Top

anotherkim 14420 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-25-04, 09:53 AM (EST) 60. "more on jacks" thread jacks are annoying on show boards because many people who come here to read are interested in reading about the show, not idle chit chat and banter off topic. I personally hate to have to wade through that stuff when I'm actually here focused on AI and I know most of the regulars around here. I'd say for a newbie it is even more distracting. The mods work really hard to keep the forums divided up and as user-friendly as possible so that the many differnt types of posters (newbies, old-timers, show fanatics, show bashers, one-show watchers, every reality show watchers, summary readers and spammers ) can click and find what interests them with the least amount of extra stuff to wade through. Threadjacks make their jobs that much more difficult. Miscellaneous Ramblings --thank you to the mods...oh, and butterscotch pudding is best.   Top

littlemisssmartypants 477 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 05-25-04, 11:44 AM (EST) 62. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" You know, I have never found the rules here that hard to follow. They are simple and have never infringed on my rights. I cannot think of a time when I have said....."I want to post about how much I hate Jon Stevens....there is already a thread about this very topic....I could join in but I will not be satisfied until I start a new thread about hating Jon Stevens." I can think of times when there have been 5 threads about hating Jon Stevens and I didn't bother to post because I didn't know which ones people were reading. I Have never wanted to insult another poster, or celebrate my freedom of speech by making a hateful remark. If I want to say something off-the-wall, I just go to OT and say it there. All this to say, these are not complicated rules. They make me feel comfortable and respected. This is not an area worthy of the time and energy it would take for a board member to stage a campaign for change. Fight for against real opression or human rights, if you are looking for a cause, not the right to start duplicate threads. Methinks there is someone else who is taking himself a little too seriously now. Handcrafted by RollDdice   Top

TeamJoisey 3558 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 05-25-04, 05:58 PM (EST) 64. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" LAST EDITED ON 05-25-04 AT 10:59 PM (EST) Well said, smart stuff. This "debate" is fruitless and tiresome. It is pointless to question guidelines which one admittedly has not read and never intends to read. It is a waste of time to discuss this with those who have no intention of ever changing their opinion. Such unreasonable moral certitude is a hallmark of Facism. To see that sort of hubris on a TV show message board is at first laughable, and ultimately pathetic. If users can not agree to civil conversation in a moderated forum, they don't belong here. There are places where anarchy reigns, and this is not that place. If folks are unhappy here, they should try Usenet, find alt.tv.american.idol and post away. Alternatively, they can visit to AOL or Yahoo and find a chat room.   Top

littlemisssmartypants 477 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star" 05-25-04, 07:36 PM (EST) 65. "RE: Things are getting out of hand here" Thanks TJ, You know, I have to admit that I've never taken the time to read the guidelines through myself, but have seemingly always been able to follow them. They're just common sense, and they make this forum a lovely place to be. My recommendation to others is to lurk for a bit (I did for 3 years) post responses to some threads, and wait until you feel you have an original topic before starting your own thread. Everyone here is very nice, and very witty. If you leave because you can't follow the rules, it's just too bad for you. Handcrafted by RollDdice   Top

AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 05-26-04, 10:33 AM (EST) 67. "Locking" Good heavens, this thread bounced back to the top? When there's a final vote that just took place but hasn't been announced yet? I'm locking this thread so that doesn't happen again.   Top

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