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54. "RE: The one switch"
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dabo,
>>particularly the bit about voting out the weakest instead of strongest (which is garbage, that's week 6 not week 5;
I think there might be a mix up here (maybe mine!), so, to clarify:
1) we have a preview that says one will get dismissed in Ep 5, and that rules and alliances change, etc.
2) Sue's piece is for the following episode, #6, for which we don't yet have a preview (far as I know). As I think you're saying, #6 is the last team competition so the tribe might want to vote out its biggest individual immunity threat (although this didn't happen on S2 due to the Michael burn).

Sue is saying things have changed and now they will continue to look to the weak players as bootees even in Episode 6. I have suggested that this intimates that team competitions continue into Ep 7, the traditional merge time.

The advantage would be that no alliance can hold the power over the whole merged tribe, only their own team. IMHO the individual challenges start too early in the game and produce predictable dynamics. If they merged first but still had team competitions for a bit, there would be more interaction to mix up original tribal loyalties and allow more interesting alliances to form--particularly if the teams have swapped a player.

I disagree with those who feel Burnett had no reason to anticipate a ratings drop if he didn't freshen the game dynamics. MANY viewers stopped watching S2 after Varner got booted, because they thought it too boring and similar to S1 to watch one tribe pick off another. I absolutely think MB knew it was time for alliances to play out in new patterns in order to keep viewers throughout S3. I believe he made plans to tweak it prior to production and not in direct response to any crises of resources or the Samburu fracture.

I also do not think the twist gets initiated by the players, but by the producers. At this point we have a preview which shows them getting mail with instructions that surprise them, so this part seems definite to me.

To address the popular idea of 3 teams competing--I think that would work for no more than 2 episodes. You can't have a good competition between a 2-person team and a 4-person team (worst case where same team loses twice). Or 4-4-1? Doesn't work.

In any case, Burnett likes head-to-head opposition in team competition, which means two teams in any one challenge. Of course I am ready to be wrong about this, but that's what I think from observing Burnett's patterns.

My question is whether Burnett is ready to try a situation where two teams compete within one tribe and not stay wedded to the idea that only separate tribes can compete in team challenges.
Response anyone?

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 So what will the twist in tribe dyn...   anotherkim     11-01-01       
   Swedish switch   AyaK     11-01-01     1  
     RE: Swedish switch   TechNoir     11-01-01     2  
         A Loophole?   IceCat     11-01-01     4  
             Has anyone seen the actual rules......   anotherkim     11-01-01     5  
         RE: Swedish switch   shanana banana     11-01-01     14  
     How About a Legal Opinion...   IceCat     11-01-01     3  
         RE: How About a Legal Opinion...   Outfrontgirl     11-01-01     6  
         Reply   AyaK     11-01-01     8  
             I think Jeff Probst knew about the ...   heresy     11-01-01     11  
                 Division of the Spoils...   IceCat     11-01-01     12  
                 Water Crisis related to Twist?   Rain Crow     11-01-01     13  
                     RE: Water Crisis related to Twist?   dangerkitty     11-02-01     18  
     RE: Swedish switch   esquire     11-02-01     30  
         RE: Swedish switch   TaurusII     11-02-01     37  
   RE: New Twist will save the Game   Rain Crow     11-01-01     7  
     Welcome Aboard Rain Crow...   IceCat     11-01-01     9  
         Sig pic   AyaK     11-02-01     17  
             Heh heh...   IceCat     11-02-01     23  
     RE: New Twist will save the Game   kreon     11-02-01     28  
   RE: So what will the twist in tribe...   Stairway2Dayton     11-01-01     10  
     RE: Tribal Suicide   ivoryElephant     11-02-01     16  
         RE: Tribal Suicide   Krautboy     11-02-01     20  
   Early merge probabaly nixed by toni...   Rain Crow     11-02-01     15  
     Remember the water buffalo...   IceCat     11-02-01     24  
         Good argument!   Rain Crow     11-02-01     27  
         Yes, early merge solves water probl...   Krautboy     11-02-01     32  
             No challenge footage   AyaK     11-02-01     35  
                 No Reward Challenge!   Krautboy     11-03-01     57  
                     Re: Shattered Alliances   IceCat     11-03-01     58  
                     The water problem is no problem   Swami     11-04-01     62  
                         Water is the EXCUSE...   IceCat     11-04-01     64  
                             RE: Water is the EXCUSE...   dabo     11-07-01     76  
                                 RE: Water is the EXCUSE...   Swami     11-07-01     77  
                                     RE: Water is the EXCUSE...   dabo     11-07-01     78  
                                         RE: Water is the EXCUSE...   Swami     11-07-01     79  
                                             RE: Water is the EXCUSE...   dabo     11-07-01     80  
                                         Casting   Round Robin     11-08-01     81  
   First 15 Minutes...   Krautboy     11-02-01     19  
     RE: First 15 Minutes...   Bobbystareyes     11-02-01     21  
     On the Contrary...   IceCat     11-02-01     25  
         Lindsey just seems too pissed to me...   anotherkim     11-02-01     36  
             RE: Lindsey just seems too pissed t...   Loree     11-02-01     46  
             RE: Lindsey just seems too pissed t...   Rudyrox     11-02-01     47  
   What will the twist in tribe dynami...   Slymmer     11-02-01     22  
     Fun idea, but I think...   Rain Crow     11-02-01     26  
         Slymmers idea   weltek     11-02-01     29  
         RE: Fun idea, but I think...   samiam     11-02-01     43  
   RE: So what will the twist in tribe...   zzz     11-02-01     31  
   early merge -- interesting photo fo...   Ogachu     11-02-01     33  
     RE: back to Diane's friends   bondt007     11-02-01     34  
   RE: So what will the twist in tribe...   alleyb     11-02-01     38  
     RE: So what will the twist in tribe...   SurvivorBlows     11-02-01     39  
         RE: So what will the twist in tribe...   Bossman101     11-02-01     40  
     Agreed on one person swap   Outfrontgirl     11-02-01     41  
   Slight "twist" on three tribes theo...   AmberFan126     11-02-01     42  
   RE: So what will the twist in tribe...   Swami     11-02-01     44  
     RE: So what will the twist in tribe...   TaurusII     11-02-01     45  
     Everyone needs to just RELAX!   TODDLJ     11-02-01     48  
         RE: Everyone needs to just RELAX!   anotherkim     11-02-01     49  
             RE: Everyone needs to just RELAX!   TODDLJ     11-02-01     50  
                 The rules etc.   dangerboy     11-02-01     51  
                 RELAX!   Slymmer     11-03-01     56  
                     RE: RELAX!   littlesplitty     11-05-01     66  
         RE: Everyone needs to just RELAX!   heresy     11-06-01     75  
   RE: So what will the twist in tribe...   Wawa     11-03-01     52  
   The one switch   dabo     11-03-01     53  
     RE: The one switch   Outfrontgirl     11-03-01     54  
         RE: The one switch   Outfrontgirl     11-03-01     55  
   New "twist" theory...   Bungler     11-03-01     59  
     GXA in BIGTIME trouble!   Round Robin     11-03-01     60  
         THE BIG FLAW(An Embarassment of Kim...   Rose Red     11-04-01     61  
         RE: GXA in BIGTIME trouble!   Outfrontgirl     11-04-01     63  
             AN EMBARASSMENT OF KIMS and A TRIBE...   Rose Red     11-04-01     65  
                 Lindsey's not the onlu one pissed   Round Robin     11-06-01     67  
                     Check out the vidcap thread   dangerkitty     11-06-01     68  
                         RE: Check out the vidcap thread   Round Robin     11-06-01     69  
   The new twist ?   Swami     11-06-01     70  
     RE: The new twist ?   Outfrontgirl     11-06-01     71  
   Swap includes Water/Food   Sexy Spearchucker     11-06-01     72  
     KIM! KIM! KIM!   Rose Red     11-06-01     73  
     RE: Swap includes Water/Food   zzz     11-06-01     74  

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