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kingfish 16088 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 07-18-12, 09:21 PM (EST) "Don't mess with Lin-mania. " The Rockets took a gamble with a guy that just had knee surgery. I think maybe the Knicks screwed up, but it was a hard deal for them to make, and time will tell. I wish the Rockets the best.   Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: Don't mess with Lin-mania Brownroach 07-18-12 1    RE: Don't mess with Lin-mania Estee 07-19-12 2        RE: Don't mess with Lin-mania AyaK 07-19-12 3            RE: Don't mess with Lin-mania kingfish 07-19-12 5            RE: Don't mess with Lin-mania Estee 07-19-12 7                RE: Don't mess with Lin-mania AyaK 07-21-12 9  RE: Don't mess with Lin-mania. PepeLePew13 07-19-12 4    RE: Don't mess with Lin-mania. kingfish 07-19-12 6  RE: Don't mess with Lin-mania. kingfish 07-20-12 8

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Brownroach 14241 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 07-18-12, 11:30 PM (EST) 1. "RE: Don't mess with Lin-mania" I for one am totally pissed. Yes the contract would have been expensive for the Knicks, and Lin has a short starting track record, but he galvanized NYC last winter like nothing I can remember in NYC sports. The whole city LOVED him, everyone talked about him constantly -- absolutely EVeryone. I think he is only going to get better as a player. The Knicks have wasted money before, they should've taken the chance on Jeremy, IMO. A sorry sorry day. (An upside I guess is that New Yorkers are saying they will now root for the Nets, who will be playing within walking distance from my abode come fall. Here's hoping Brooklyn works a charm on them.)   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 07-19-12, 08:05 AM (EST) 2. "RE: Don't mess with Lin-mania" I saw the numbers on the salary cap hit the Knicks would have taken at the end of the contract. They were ugly -- but the argument for the fans is 'As if they haven't done worse to themselves for players of proven disaster'. In other words, they've been willing to make giant mistakes before, so why turn away from their first working-odds wager in years? The Rockets may have won this battle in the GM office by backloading, but the Knicks lost through suddenly deciding this was where they drew the line -- and it's the first one they ever put in the sand. If their front office had a history of caution, more people would have let this slide. As-is, it's the equivalent of having one of the old Jackass crew ask for a helmet. Lin found his cash. But if he's expecting this kind of acceptance in Texas? Forget it. Love? Yeah, right: love. He'll regret this, and 'when' isn't that far away. Probably around the time he tries to get his first apartment and gets the door slammed in his face. As for people switching -- the old line for the Knicks remains 'addicts don't leave'. But now there's a new drug in town. It's not a particularly effective drug and the manufacturers failed to get their most desired ingredient -- but at least it's new. And maybe the aftereffects will be milder. There's only so much self-loathing on the morning after any addict can stand...   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 07-19-12, 09:00 AM (EST) 3. "RE: Don't mess with Lin-mania" I disagree about Lin's reception in Houston, which seems to me an insular East Coast shot at "flyover country" being nothing more than a bunch of racists. From my experience, that view bears no resemblance to reality in Texas . . . except for Spanish-only-speaking immigrants (legal or not). The idea that a Harvard-educated American-born Asian man will have trouble there shows a certain detachment from reality. As far as the rest of it -- it's a huge contract that Houston dangled before Lin. But New York could just have made him a fair offer to start out, and none of this would have happened. Instead, the Knicks gambled foolishly with the rest of the NBA not being willing to make room for a guy who may or may not emerge as a really talented player. Have they forgotten the number of European players who ended up as first-round picks based solely on "promise"? Remember Darko Miličić? Note that he's STILL playing in the NBA, despite his status as a huge bust. Is there anyone who thinks Jeremy Lin doesn't have more potential than Miličić, considering that Lin has ALREADY PROVEN (albeit in limited minutes) that he can do it? And since when did Knicks fans worry about Thanksdad's money? He's proven for years that he wants to throw it away as quickly as possible (see Thomas, Isiah). Here's a longer discussion of the last point: Dumb move, Dolan   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

kingfish 16088 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 07-19-12, 12:07 PM (EST) 5. "RE: Don't mess with Lin-mania" The idea that Houston will be anything but warmly receptive and even idolatrous is silly. Yao Ming? Hakeem Olajuwon? Luis Scola? The main negative aspects that I see are the fact that they had to trade Scola (I guess to make room for Lin and the offer they are making to Howard), and the knee. Houston was burnt (in the wallet) pretty badly with Yao's career ending foot injury, and they probably still remember the cash set back they suffered due to Ralph Samson's injuries. They same poison pill 3rd year in Lin's contract that NY declined to match wasn't show stopper for Houston, which I assume belies their desperation after the Yao experience. They aren't afraid to roll the dice, and I like to see that.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 07-19-12, 12:19 PM (EST) 7. "RE: Don't mess with Lin-mania" LAST EDITED ON 07-19-12 AT 12:23 PM (EST) But can he prove he was born in America? (Okay, that was a cheap shot. Accurate, but cheap.) I will refrain from the Harvard=intellectual elitist bit since I know you stand prepared with a Presidential counter. I just don't find Texas as receptive as you do. I remember some of the history revisions which were going into the public school material. I'm not sure Asia still exists. The entire state is by no means composed of 100% open racists. But the percentage is higher than it would have been in Manhattan. Period. Yes, some really stupid contracts have been offered based on what the scouts thought would translate across. And more will be offered in the future. Idiot GMs is a resource that's never in limited supply. And of course Knicks fans don't worry about the Dolan cash supply (until he gets more of it by raising cable or ticket prices, often both): they just want to know why he didn't spend it here. Chronic alcoholics who buy for the bar pick the oddest times to have their last drink. ETA: Just read the column. There are some legitimate points there, and Question #5 is going to have mega-value to the Rockets. Why Dolan couldn't figure that one out -- well, never try to rationalize how ThanksDad doesn't think.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 07-21-12, 11:59 PM (EST) 9. "RE: Don't mess with Lin-mania" LAST EDITED ON 07-22-12 AT 00:14 AM (EST) The only real difference between Texas and Massachusetts is that left-wing extremists are more likely to gain power in Massachusetts and right-wing extremists are more likely to gain power in Texas. I think of all extremists as dangerous. In general, I don't think either extreme is sane, and so I'm worried when either extreme gains power, not merely when the right does. Right-wing extremists did take over the Texas State Board of Education in 2008 by a 8-7 majority. But they lost that majority in 2010, after they passed a series of changes, some sensible and some not, to the state standards -- because the majority of Texans thought that this was a wasteful and foolish debate. It's hard to find any stories about Texas and textbooks that aren't written about the 2009-10 board, ranging from stories by people upset that Texas accurately changed the description of the US from a democracy to a constitutional republic to people upset about the looney change to deny that there is a principle of separation of church and state in the Constitution (a piece of sophistry built on the preposterous claim that, despite denying Congress the power to establish a national religion, the Founding Fathers never intended for church and state to be separate because they were personally religious -- except for Jefferson, who was disowned as an influence by the standards). But here's one. http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/07/21/7135995-creationism-controversy-again-slips-into-texas-textbook-debate?lite Note, by the way, that one of the reasons the right-wingers lost their board majority was that two of them were defeated by sane fellow Republicans; a third was defeated by a Democrat. And many conservative groups weren't any friendlier to the revision made by the Texas board than liberal groups were: http://www.texastribune.org/texas-education/public-education/texas-social-studies-receive-failing-grade/   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

PepeLePew13 24731 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 07-19-12, 09:03 AM (EST) 4. "RE: Don't mess with Lin-mania. " LAST EDITED ON 07-19-12 AT 09:05 AM (EST) Personally, I think it's an insane contract. Lin has had 25 good games - twenty five. And he's going to earn more than a bunch of guys on the team who have established themselves over a longer period of time? J.R. Smith was right, it's a recipe for dissension in the locker room. It was also going to severely handicap the Knicks in that third year as they're already into the penalty and they'd be shelling out a lot more. Also, Lin didn't play as well with Mike Woodson's system after D'Antoni resigned as coach. He's only had 25 good games so he really should have to show more before getting a contract like that. The Knicks are better off without him on the court (he makes sense off the court with endorsements and capturing the international market) and I think the Rockets are going to regret it by the third season. ETA because it's "court" not "field", duh.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

kingfish 16088 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 07-19-12, 12:16 PM (EST) 6. "RE: Don't mess with Lin-mania. " It is breathtakingly insane, for those very reasons. But as far as locker room jealousy, every locker room in every pro sport has players with more or less proven ability that have bigger or lesser contracts, and essentially unproven rookies with bigger contracts than older players with proven abilities. That's just life in the big leagues. I say good for Lin, and good for the Rockets. It's exciting to me to see this kind of daring-do. It's an all in bet (well, except that those players - the money men - actually have lots more to gamble with).   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

kingfish 16088 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 07-20-12, 09:24 AM (EST) 8. "RE: Don't mess with Lin-mania. " Just as long as Jeremy doesn't bring his six shooters or his throw down boot pistol into the locker room... (Stereotype continuation, both NBA and Houston)   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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