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"Ep. 5.7: "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham""
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"Ep. 5.7: "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-24-09 AT 12:29 PM (EST)I won't be here next week, so I am delegating thread-starting responsibility for the next episode to zombs. Zombs, the Island needs you. You are special. You are the Chosen One. Do not fail the Island. Finally, some answers to what happened to Locke. The list of guest stars is also intriguing. Locke's mission off the island as Jeremy is revealed. Guest starring: Malcolm David Kelley as Walt, John Terry as Christian Shephard, Alan Dale as Charles Widmore, Lance Reddick as Matthew Abaddon, William Blanchett as Aaron, Said Taghmaoui as Caesar, Zuleikha Robinson as Ilana, Ammar Daraiseh as Hajer, Grisel Toledo as Susie, Stephen Scibetta as foreman and John Jamal Bradley as kid.  You've been hotpocketed!
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02-25-09, 09:29 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: Ep. 5.7: "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-25-09 AT 09:33 AM (EST)oh goody...we get to see Walt and Matthew Abaddon.   bouncey by Ice
Edited to add: There is only one week off and it comes after episode 8 on March 11th. So it's not too much of a break....thank goodness!
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02-26-09, 08:26 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: Ep. 5.7: "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"" |
I knew Ben was evil.
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02-26-09, 08:46 AM (EST)
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10. "RE: Ep. 5.7: "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"" |
I'm eagerly awaiting all of you to tell me what to think of this episode, because I just don't know what to make of it. I'm one of those who liked last week's episode, but this week's has me all befuddled. And not really in that good LOST befuddled way, but like I missed something.- Are Cesar and Locke and the new lost-aways actually on the island? Or was THE island what Locke was standing on the shore staring at? There's Dharma stuff there so I first thought that it was THE island but now I don't know. - Why do the new lost-aways seem not all-that phased at being crashed on an island? - Didn't it seem kind of un Locke-like for him to give up so fast when he hadn't even gotten to Sun yet? - When did Widmore set up the cameras at the exit point? After Ben but before Locke? Must have been at that time, right? Did Ben's appearance tip him off to where it was? Things that I'm comfortable being befuddled about: - Ben didn't get zapped off the plane with the O6. Why? Interesting, that! - What was it about Locke mentioning Jin that made Ben pause? He clearly didn't know that and it seemed to make a difference in his evil little brain, so. . . why? - Is Walt supposed to come back?
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02-26-09, 09:08 AM (EST)
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12. "RE: Ep. 5.7: "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"" |
- Are Cesar and Locke and the new lost-aways actually on the island? Or was THE island that Locke was standing on the shore staring at? There's Dharma stuff there so I first thought that it was THE island but now I don't know.The way that John was staring off at the other Island leaves me to believe that he is on the one that Sawyer, Kate and Jack were being held on by the others.
- Didn't it seem kind of un Locke-like for him to give up so fast when he hadn't even gotten to Sun yet?
I was glad that he didn't go to see Sun and that he kept his promise to Jin. He is an honourable man. I think his encounter with Jack was the last straw. He knew that if he could convince Jack the others would follow, but without him he had failed.
- Ben didn't get zapped off the plane with the O6. Why? Interesting, that!
I wonder if Ben and Locke didn't get zapped off the plane because they are NOT supposed to be there. Remember Ben said that he would never be allowed to come back. What did puzzle me is tht the 316'ers said that the Pilot and a woman (Sun?) stole one of the boats and took off. Why were they not zapped out with Jack, Hurly and Kate?
The other thing that puzzled me is that I thought the Island wouldn't let you die. Remember Michael tried to committ suicide several times and Mr. Friendly explained to him that he could not die. Jack tried to jump off the bridge, but was not allowed. Why then can Locke die?
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02-26-09, 09:23 AM (EST)
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15. "RE: Ep. 5.7: "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"" |
Or you can only be killed by someone else that was on the island.
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02-26-09, 09:31 AM (EST)
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17. "RE: Ep. 5.7: "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"" |
Great episode!1. What a character study of Locke. He was hammered over and over for being a failure, for being alone, yet he succeeds (with Ben's help) in accomplishing his mission. 2. Or did he? I can't figure out who is supposed to get back to the Island. Why does Walt have to go back? He's special, but why? Why is Locke special, if Walt is? Will Walt take his place? Will Locke ever get to lead? 3. Speaking of Walt, he can't act. It was painful to watch him, although it was touching to remember the first season and his and Locke's relationship. 4. Abaddon was the coolest character. He helps people get to where they are supposed to go; wonder what that means? 5. Helen being dead made me sad. I wanted to see her again. 6. There's a war coming?! What kind of war? Between Ben and Widmore? Or something else? 7. I knew that Caesar was going to play a role in this arc. As for the new castaways, we may find out more about them soon. I doubt they just crash, then disappear from the story.  I'm a mAGMANimous ruler
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02-26-09, 10:46 AM (EST)
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20. "RE: Ep. 5.7: "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"" |
1. Yeah like I said above...one of the most heartbreaking characters ever. 2. I think they keep pushing Locke to lead but he keeps "screwing up". He keeps listening to others like Ben and Widmore. He lacks the confidence to trust himself. It actually seems like Locke is kind of lacking all that faith we keep hearing about. He has to make a big leap of faith like Jack only Locke has to believe in himself. 3. I liked when Walt first spotted him. That was touching but then the kid spoke. I don't think we are finished with him. 4. He was cool and who knows if we will see him again? He was like a Shephard too. 5. Me too. I've heard speculation other places that they don't think she is dead and it was a set up by Widmore or Ben so John won't be attached to non-island life. Even heard spec. that Helen was on 316. That? I don't know if I agree. Unless she always worked for them...
It would be cool if Locke/helen ended up being the great big romance. I'm really pulling for him after this episode can you tell? 6. Crazy extreme chess match!!!!! You in? I'm hoping that it is Locke who can stop this all! 7. I like his salad.
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02-26-09, 10:31 AM (EST)
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18. "RE: Ep. 5.7: "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"" |
I'm wondering1. Why did Ben not leave the 316's? You would think he would hightail it out of there. 2. Do you think Ms. Hawkings could be on that plane? What about Widemore? Were they "hiding" in coach? Could she be the woman who left with the pilot? Has Frank been in on this all along? He was hired by Widemore originally right? 3. I think they might be setting up a big Walt story for next season. He was always portrayed as creepy and very powerful.
I also just finally saw all those webisodes from last year. I highly recommend them. You can find them on YouTube. Walt's was pretty creepy. 4. I have hope that Ben and Widemore are both bad and that Locke will finally be a leader and gather up an army of good soldiers and eventually triumph. 5. It did feel like a whole episode of Locke in therapy though.
Overall this was my least favorite episode. I liked last week better. I wish we had seen more island time and they did it the conventional flashback way. Most of the Locke as Bentham stuff we kind of knew. His scenes with Widemore and the death scene were good to see and maybe the only new info. gained.
The acting was superb(execpt as MRC noted by Walt). It was very painful to watch Locke on this journey. At first I thought he was offered an orange by Illana, mirroring the pilot episode but that turned out to be a mango. 
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02-26-09, 11:17 AM (EST)
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22. "Kill me once..." |
LAST EDITED ON 02-26-09 AT 11:20 AM (EST)shame on you. Kill me twice, shame on me. I hope he's done with Ben now. But is the alternative Widmore? Sheesh, what a choice! Terry O'Quinn was great in this episode. Edited to say I agree that the plane crash landed on the other island, and the O6 were somehow beamed onto THE island. 
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24. "RE: Ep. 5.7: "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"" |
This episode felt rather discombobulated to me. It didn’t flow well probably because we already knew most of what Jeremy Bentham did, but there were some interesting characterizations.Widmore and Ben – They are both evil and Ben really crossed the line IMO when he killed Abbadon and Locke. There may be a bigger war coming, but the one between Widmore and Ben has already started. Widmore was being way too contrite and nice to Locke in Tunisia. Very suspicious! Matthew Abbadon – Gets people where they need to go. He got Locke to go on his walkabout which means Widmore was involved in getting people on Oceanic 316. This slightly redeems him to me if he truly is after the islands well-being and not himself. John Locke – No wonder he’s so conflicted what with being named after two different philosophers! I was getting choked up during his suicide scene – brilliant acting. So if he’s “alive” on the island, does that mean Christian is also alive? (I always thought of Christian as some sort of specter.) Walt – When Walt asked after his father it makes me think that Walt will return to the island and will meet up again with his father in some way to get closure. Also we got another creepy foreshadowing dream with him, “I’ve been dreaming of you on the island wearing a suit with a bunch of people around you – and they want to hurt you.” Walt’s story’s not over yet. Hurley – Loved that Hugo thought Locke was dead because he’s been seeing so many dead people! He remembered “evil” Matthew Abbadon from Oceanic Air. He’s definitely not crazy!! Time – 4 island days = 3 years for the 316ers. Caesar and Iliana – I didn’t like the way their storyline was introduced; it was too disjointed (even for Lost!) Gold car – the last car to enter Locke’s car accident scene was the gold car again. 
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02-26-09, 01:41 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: Ep. 5.7: "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"" |
100% agree about everything except the following: Time – 4 island days = 3 years for the 316ers. I think that the island was same as off island. When Ben turned the wheel he ended up around 9 months into the future. (Per Sayid saying Nadia died 9 months later after he returned and Ben saw that on the TV). Locke turned the wheel after 4 days and ended up 3 years into the future. It's just (as far as we know now) a random forward travel in time. The ones left behind got flashed somewhere, say 1970's or 80's Dharma time and then played out their 3 years there(barring any other time flashes like they were experiencing) just like 3 years passed off island. Only thing is Locke is technically missing 3 years. Caesar and Iliana – I didn’t like the way their storyline was introduced; it was too disjointed (even for Lost!) I do agree. I read on DArkUFO home page that last night's opening scene was originally going to be the opening scene for the season instead they went with Dr. Candle's whole bit. I think the acting saved this episode.
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02-26-09, 04:31 PM (EST)
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36. "RE: Ep. 5.7: "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"" |
In the scene where Locke is "found" on the beach, and Ilana and Caesar come to talk to him, in the background there is a fire, and I swear to God that Charlie was standing right next to it. Or his twin.I don't know, it was out of focus, so it could've been anyone. And I know, I wondered to myself, why wouldn't Locke have noticed him, blah, blah, blah, but we all know anything is possible, right? Someone please get my back on this one... 
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40. "RE: Ep. 5.7: "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"" |
I noted that alot of folks are speculating that the Oceanic 6, Ben, and Locke all got separated, and perhaps Locke and Ben are on another island. I don't think that is the case, I think that they are all on the same island, yet have landed in different times. Could Hurley, Kate, and Jack have landed in the past, as we see the vw bus with Jin as a Dharma agent...? The question becomes, is Jin alone, or has he already met up with Sawyer and company? Will Jack, Hurley, and Kate catch up with Sawyers group too?Perhaps, Locke, Ben, and the other passengers from 316 are more in the future?
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44. "Random thoughts and questions..." |
LAST EDITED ON 03-02-09 AT 11:53 PM (EST)So, John Locke was dead, in a coffin on the plane. Plane crashes, John Locke is alive and walking around. Christian Shepard was dead, in a coffin on the Oceanic flight. Does that mean he is possibly alive after that crash and NOT a figment of everyone's imagination or an apparition/ghost of some sort like previously thought? Is Iliana (sp?) the law enforcement person who was transporting Sayid or was that another woman? I didn't pay attention. If she isn't, the woman that left with the pilot dude could have been the woman with Sayid and left to go look for him and put him back in custody. Ceaser is apparently the Jack of this crash... Don't you think the "others" that were left on the island would have seen the plane crash on the little island unless it happened during a time jump for them too. We have different groups together but don't know if they are in the same time zone or not... Kate, Jack, Hurley are now with Jin on the big island Where is Sayid? John, Ben and the other survivors of the new crash are together on the little island. However, in the previews for next time it shows Ben and Sun together in the jungle and Ben has his arm in a sling. Sawyer and Juliette are together but where are Miles, Daniel and Charlotte? I think its going to be Charlotte in the previews with a bag on her head, they want you to think its Kate but the hair is too light and she is wearing the wrong shirt. Where are Bernard, Rose and the other Oceanic survivors all this time? I also agree that the acting in this show is superb. Ben's character has always been amazing and Locke's character was exceptional. Hurley has always been my favorite. I laughed out loud when he freaked Locke was alive and not dead. He was completely calm at the thought of him being dead, it was hilarious. Edited to add - Does Charles Widmore own the Dharma Iniative?
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45. "Diagaram that Caesar Found" |
Was just looking at a screen cap of the stuff that Casesar found in the notebook. I think it was interesting because on the chart with all the circles, lines and equations are the labels "Real Time", "Imaginary Time" and "Space Time". I have been assuming that they really are skipping through time, but if that is the case, why is it labelled "Imaginary Time"?
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