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PeterTorque 213 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 08-01-01, 04:56 AM (EST) "Utah Town OUTLAWS the UN" There’s a small, conservative, rural town in Southern Utah that has officially outlawed the United Nations. True story; (there’s no need to make stuff up when people are just naturally as daft as this). They probably initially just wanted to boycott the UN, but they didn’t know what boycott meant, so they just outlawed it instead. I mean these people are so clueless, they can’t even spell UN. They think the United Nations is a country somewhere, just like the United States, or the USSR. Regardless of your political leanings, this idea is just ludicrous, especially when the town’s civic leaders claim that one reason for outlawing the UN is because it’s a “threat to democracy”. The law, which was designed to "send a message to the rest of the country", is largely symbolic of course, no one expects the UN peacekeeping convoys to be rolling into town anytime soon. The only perceivable enforcement actions to come out of the new law would be tickets for a UN bumpersticker on your car (like anyone actually MAKES UN bumperstickers), or for having a sign promoting the UN in your yard (like everyone does in the big city, Man they are everywhere). A ticket that is, if you didn’t get lynched first. It sends a symbolic message to the rest of the country for sure, the message is loud and clear, not only are we archconservative, right wing bigots, but we’re idiots as well. Don’t be too hard on them though, this town isn’t so bad when you consider the next one over –they passed a law making it a criminal offense NOT to own a gun!   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: Utah Town OUTLAWS the UN VampKira 08-01-01 1  RE: Utah Town OUTLAWS the UN LadyT 08-01-01 2    RE: Utah Town OUTLAWS the UN moonbaby 08-01-01 3    Heavy Stuff PeterTorque 08-01-01 5        RE: Heavy Stuff LadyT 08-01-01 6            Getting on my soap box! Monkeyboy 08-01-01 7                RE: Getting on my soap box! Drive My Car 08-01-01 8                Thoughts on the UN AyatollahKhomeini 08-01-01 9                    RE: Thoughts on the UN Monkeyboy 08-01-01 10                    RE: Thoughts on the UN George Tirebiter 08-02-01 12                        Not just you, and what's next? dangerkitty 08-02-01 15                I failed so miserably.. PeterTorque 08-02-01 13                    No you didn't AyatollahKhomeini 08-02-01 17            RE: Heavy Stuff George Tirebiter 08-06-01 24                I already have MY barcode. PeterTorque 08-07-01 31                    RE: I already have MY barcode. George Tirebiter 08-07-01 33                        Fixed. PeterTorque 08-08-01 44  Nuclear-free zones AyatollahKhomeini 08-01-01 4    RE: Nuclear-free zones Outfrontgirl 08-05-01 21        RE: Nuclear-free zones desert_rhino 08-05-01 22            California calling rest of USA Outfrontgirl 08-05-01 23                Nuclear power AyaK 08-06-01 25                    RE: Nuclear power dabo 08-07-01 38                RE: California calling rest of USA SkyRaider 08-06-01 26                RE: California calling rest of USA SherpaDave 08-06-01 28                RE: California calling rest of USA desert_rhino 08-07-01 32                    OOOOOOHHHHH--I get it now! George Tirebiter 08-07-01 35  RE: Utah Town OUTLAWS the UN desert_rhino 08-01-01 11  RE: Utah Town OUTLAWS the UN ItzLisa 08-02-01 14    RE: Utah Town OUTLAWS the UN moonbaby 08-02-01 16        RE: Utah Town OUTLAWS the UN Drive My Car 08-02-01 18  RE: Utah Town OUTLAWS the UN mistofleas 08-02-01 19    RE: Utah Town OUTLAWS the UN desert_rhino 08-02-01 20  I see...... SkyRaider 08-06-01 27    RE: I see...... idiotcowboy 08-06-01 29        We figured it out! PeterTorque 08-07-01 30            RE: We figured it out! George Tirebiter 08-07-01 34                RE: We figured it out! LadyT 08-07-01 36                New religion AyatollahKhomeini 08-07-01 37                    RE: New religion dabo 08-07-01 39                    RE: New religion George Tirebiter 08-08-01 40                        RE: New religion LadyT 08-08-01 41                            RE: New religion George Tirebiter 08-08-01 42                                Those fools PeterTorque 08-08-01 43                        Does this count? AyatollahKhomeini 08-08-01 45                            RE: Does this count? PeterTorque 08-08-01 46

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VampKira 4433 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 08-01-01, 05:02 AM (EST) 1. "RE: Utah Town OUTLAWS the UN" LMAO, Pete!! Great post! Jeeeeeeeze! Did I bite alla ya all tonight? OMG! It's like a Vampire convention here tonight! ROTF! That's it! I am goin' back in the bar! Any self respecting Vampire would be there at this time of the morning. I mean... after all, We only have about an hour till sunrise, and the return to our coffins........ Du ar min hjälte, Supermänniska   Top

LadyT 5567 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-01-01, 05:54 AM (EST) 2. "RE: Utah Town OUTLAWS the UN" Actually, I don't find this hard to believe. So bear with me on this one and I will explain it. If you don't want to read Biblical stuff, pass this post. Remember I am warning you. There are some Christians that believe that the Second Coming is arriving in this generation, based on a number of things. Some of the things that lead to the thought of the Second Coming are these. 1) Advanced technology, including things as human cloning. Plus things like disolving of paper money where we all use chips to distinguish ourselves. We are very close to this technology. 2) One language. With the development of the EEC, we are close to this. 3) A covenant with Isreal. A foreign power will attack Isreal and be completely defeated. This will bring about world peace. Which sounds like a good thing, but it leads us to. 4) One world government. Which would be the UN. This entity would at first represent wonderful things, but will ultimately lead to more death and destruction ever thought possible. Billions of people will suffer horrible deaths. All this is outlined in the Book of Revelations. I am really not surprised that towns have started banning the UN.There will be more. There is a huge fear that these events will occur soon because some of these points are close to fruition. I have jsut touched on the basics, it is a lot more complicated that this. But there is a lot of study going on about the Book of Revealtions and a lot of the Book so far has been proven as events that have occured. If anyone is interested in this stuff, check out the Left Behind series. -------------------------------------- I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas eve, and I believe in long, slow,deep, soft, wet kisses that last for three days. Goodnight.   Top

moonbaby 17120 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-01-01, 09:48 AM (EST) 3. "RE: Utah Town OUTLAWS the UN" Creepy deepy!   Top

PeterTorque 213 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 08-01-01, 04:05 PM (EST) 5. "Heavy Stuff" I think these rural Utah towns are extremely religious, so I would bet you're right about the Bible/Book of Revelations being the motivating factor in outlawing the UN. You're very perceptive. I will ask them about it the next time I pass through to find out for sure. I have read the Book of Revelations, and Nostramadus, and found them to be quite open to interpretation. I think people used to say the Ten-Horned Beast was Russia, now I guess it's Isreal. I read that after WWII, some people said that the part about people 'getting numbers' (excuse my poor paraphrasing) was related to the numbers Hitler would tatoo on people in the death camps. (And Hitler would be about as close to evil as any human, that's for sure). But then later some writers said the passage was referring to Social Security Numbers, then credit cards. The most interesting interpretation involves the transliteration of the Hebrew letter for W, which is the same symbol as the hebrew number 6. I'm sure you've heard this theory already, but that would make the internet, or more specifically the Word Wibe Web (WWW) to be the same as 666, which we all know is the number of the beast. It IS interesting to note the the B of R mentioned how one day all financial transactions would be regulated by the beast, and hey, who isn't banking on the 'net these days? (Definately not people in that small town I mentioned, that's for sure!) I am certainly not saying that some modern interpretions of the B of R would not be correct --the facts you have presented are completely valid, it's just that when I was kid in the 60's the Jehova's Winesses with their Watchtower said all the signs pointed to the end being just around the corner. People said the same thing in the 80's. Then when the so-called Millenium came, they said it again, but it still hasn't happened.... well not yet at least. (But with things really heating up in Isreal these days, you do have to wonder!) What would be YOUR interpretation of the four horseman of the apocalypse? (That's my favorite part).   Top

LadyT 5567 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-01-01, 06:38 PM (EST) 6. "RE: Heavy Stuff" Wow, this is really heavy stuff. To me the BoR is pretty straightforward. Here are some of my reasons, and you will have to forgive me since I am just doing this off the top of my head.I would give you more through answers, well if I felt like getting my books out. People have always predicted when the end of the world would appear. If they read the BoR, and really examined it, they would hav eknown that it never could have happened yet. In the Bible, Isreal is the chosen place, the center of the world. They will be attacked by a large power from the North. To the North is Russia. The Book says that the power is weakening and needs to attack Isreal, for they will hold something that will benefit the world, but are reluctant to release it yet. The power is desperate for it, they send a massive air attack to an unsuspecting Isreal. Russia is annilated, completely destroyed. The Book, and the Book of Daniel states these events. We also didn't have the technology in the sixties and the eighties that we have now. Or what we will have in 20 years. But the time will be coming, maybe in the next fifty years. We will never know, however, until the time is closer. Since these haven't happened yet, there was no need to think that the Second Coming of Christ was imminent. Of course their is the question of the Rapture, is this before or after the attack? That is another topic, and one I wouldn't get into. I read an article about a military man who refused his dog tags because he believed, falsely, that it was the Mark of the Beast. But we are definetly heading towards the technology where the Mark can and will be applied to every person on Earth. Some say that Hitler was the AntiChrist. With the tattooes, it may have seemed like it was the Mark, but it wasn't.Hitler was the AC predecessor. It was predicted that they will be four "kings". Most scholars of the Revelations believe that one was Nebachdezzar, another king from that time whose name escapes me, Hitler and than comes the AntiChrist. Of course I sincerely hope that Hitler is burning in the pits of hell with a space open for the AC. I really haven't studied the Four Horseman at length, and with my limited knowledge, I don't feel comfortable discussing it. Wow I love this discussion. -------------------------------------- I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas eve, and I believe in long, slow,deep, soft, wet kisses that last for three days. Goodnight.   Top

Monkeyboy 1224 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 08-01-01, 06:56 PM (EST) 7. "Getting on my soap box!" LAST EDITED ON 08-02-01 AT 01:28 AM (EST) Okay guys...here's the real story! The town was LaVerkin, Utah...a small retirement community made up mostly of older, retired "snow birds", world-war 2 era people that go down south to golf all winter. It is NOT a red-neck town of inbred idiots. The REASON that a few people on the town council came up with the idea was because the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance (SUWA) and the Sierra Club work with the EPA in getting lands protected from development for endangered plants and animals, which makes a lot of local development-oriented people mad. Supposodely, they claimed that the EPA has major influence with the UN in environmental policies, so the the town of LaVerkin had a few guys in their council that decided that they wanted all connection of the town to be severed from the UN. However, most of the people in town didn't like them making the decision and people were sticking signs up on their yards and houses saying that they supported the UN. They quickly changed the law to something totally different...I'm not sure what it supposed to be now. Anyway Peter...I guess we've never discussed this. I'm also one of the people that thinks the U.S. should have pulled out of the UN 20 years ago. The fact that China is a permanent member with absolutely NO human rights is a major reason. Also, most of the funding for the UN is paid by the U.S., as well as the UN "Peacekeeping" Force is mostly made of the U.S. military. The UN also works closely with the World Trade Organization to do things like dam major free flowing rivers in China, displacing millions of people, in order to supposodely try to bring these people up to the standard of living of developed countries, but in the process, giving the countries debts they can never repay thereby making the U.S. dollar stronger internationally. Also, all countries are given equal votes, allowing places like Iraq to have an equal say as, let's say, Canada. I'm not a fan of the U.S. involvement if the UN and I laughed when I heard what LaVerkin did. It was ridiculous...but I still said "Good for them!" Perhaps this post will finally prove that me and Peter Torque ARE NOT the same person! *edited because I was so fired up when I wrote this that it was loaded with typos. I didn't change one word of the original message*   Top

Drive My Car 20045 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-01-01, 08:05 PM (EST) 8. "RE: Getting on my soap box!" **Ebug dips her toe in** Naw, too deep.   Top

AyatollahKhomeini 2008 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator" 08-01-01, 08:37 PM (EST) 9. "Thoughts on the UN" Monkeyboy, I hadn't intended to post any more on this thread. But I agree with some of your points about the U.N. while disagreeing with others, and I wanted to respond to them individually. >The fact China is a permanent member with absolutely NO >human rights is a major reason. But the U.N. wasn't developed as a reward. It was developed (quite naively, to be sure) as a forum for the countries of the world to resolve problems without resorting to war. IMHO, the Security Council should be composed of the world's strongest countries -- or at least the ones most likely to be involved in a major conflict. If they can't work together, world peace is just an illusion. Human rights is not equal to short-term strength. And who are the strongest countries in the world? The U.S., the U.K., Germany, Japan, Russia, and China. Period. Four of these countries (US, UK, Russia, and China) are permanent members of the Security Council; and France (the 5th permanent member) has the seat that should have gone to Germany or Japan (as a punishment for WWII). If the EU ever does become a viable force, the British/French seats should become one EU seat and one Japan seat. >Also, most of the funding for the UN is paid by the U.S., Agreed -- this is truly unfair. If everyone has an equal vote, then why do we pay most of the funding? The U.N argues that this is because we have the highest GNP. That, however, is a very Marxist idea ("from each according to his abilities; to each according to his needs"). Even the new, reduced U.S. share of funding is far too much. >as well as the UN "Peacekeeping" Force is mostly made >of the U.S. milatary. I don't think this is true, except in Yugoslavia. After the Somalia fiasco, the U.S. has been unwilling to put its troops into U.N. operations ... and, when it does, it insists that the troops serve only under American or British commanders. >The UN also works closely with the World Trade Organization >to do things like dam major free flowing rivers in >China, displacing millions of people, in order to supposedly >try to bring these people up to the standard of living >of developed countries, but in the process, giving the >countries debts they can never repay I don't believe the WTO gets involved with economic development programs; it's the World Bank that does this stuff. And unfortunately, the World Bank (a U.S. government offshoot) would keep doing it even without the U.N. >Also, all countries are given equal votes, >allowing places like Iraq to have an equal say as, >let's say, Canada. ...which is why U.N. "general resolutions" are so much BS -- by contrast, the "veto power" given to the permanent members of the Security Council means that the U.N. can't take action until all of the world's major powers agree with the action. In that sense, the Security Council is quite valuable. Monkeyboy, I agree with a lot of what you say. The U.N. should not be an economic development agency. The U.N. should not be holding conferences on racism. The U.N. is not an international charity. It's a forum, period. If it fails in that regard, then maybe it is time to liquidate it. But I don't think it's outlived its usefulness yet.   Top

Monkeyboy 1224 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 08-01-01, 11:04 PM (EST) 10. "RE: Thoughts on the UN" Aya...I agree with pretty much everything you said. I'll do some research on the issue of the "peacekeeping forces"....maybe I'm wrong, but that's my understanding of the troop deployement (such as in ElSalvador in the early 80's and Kuwait some years back). I know the UN does a lot of good in the world, like UNICEF, and it still has some relevance as far as promoting world peace, but I do have a lot of problems with the U.S. role in it. I also agree France shouldn't really be on the security council board.....just because they don't take showers every day. However....I LAUGHED and APPLAUDED when I heard that LaVerkin "outlawed" the UN.   Top

George Tirebiter 2982 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 08-02-01, 00:16 AM (EST) 12. "RE: Thoughts on the UN" Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that the Ayatollah is discussing international policy with a monkey here? GT   Top

dangerkitty 1913 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 08-02-01, 10:12 AM (EST) 15. "Not just you, and what's next?" LAST EDITED ON 08-02-01 AT 10:18 AM (EST) Nope, GT, I'm right here cracking up with you! Not to take away from the intelligence of the conversation, but on another level it is just so damn funny! Gawd, I love this place! And why do I feel that a debate about One World Order and the Trilateral Commission is just around the corner? <ducks> (edited to add, also known as New World Order, otherwise somebody here is bound to point that out...oh, I guess that somebody would be me! LOL) ...just had to put the cheesecake sig pic on this thread...   Top

PeterTorque 213 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 08-02-01, 01:12 AM (EST) 13. "I failed so miserably.." at getting my point across; it wasn't supposed to have anything to do with the UN per se really, (or gun ownership for that matter), the focus was supposed to be these unusual and discrimininatory laws that seem to be gaining momemtum right now. I didn't say, or mean to imply, that I was pro-UN (just like right now I'm not intending to imply I'm against the idea either) --although those wimpy white uniforms have GOT to go. That would be a complicated subject, as being entirely against the UN or entirely for it, in its present incarnation, would seem a bit extreme.   Top

AyatollahKhomeini 2008 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator" 08-02-01, 11:08 AM (EST) 17. "No you didn't" I got your initial point -- my first point was that these kinds of laws have been around for a lot longer than just recently (like my example, the "no nukes" laws). Then the thread went in a different direction -- and it wouldn't be nearly as much fun around here if threads didn't take on a squiggly life of their own. As OFG so cleverly pointed out in BV Ep. 9, the "t" thread and the "gufu" thread are perfect examples.   Top

George Tirebiter 2982 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 08-06-01, 00:01 AM (EST) 24. "RE: Heavy Stuff" Hey, T--I've got yer tattoos right here: US Patent #5,878,155 Search for it here: http://164.195.100.11/netahtml/search-bool.html (no--it's not going to change to a porn site--it's the govt! ) Description: The present invention relates to the identification of humans. More particularly, the present invention relates to the application of invisible, indelible tattoos on humans for purposes of identification in order to conduct monetary and credit transactions in a secure manner. (Note: My link to the actual page was too long to work properly, so I just used the search page--paste in the number and run the search yourself. . . ) As for the end of the world, if you'll read Robert Anton Wilson's Cosmic Trigger, you will see that technological advances have been increasing in frequency exponentially, from the discovery of fire to invention of the wheel to the Industrial Revolution to all of today's scientific and medical advances--and we're supposed to reach critical mass in the year 2012 (sorry, Rush, it's not 2112. . .). For my money, that seems as likely a time as any for everything to go kablooie. Just encouraging paranoia, that's all. GT   Top

PeterTorque 213 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 08-07-01, 04:40 AM (EST) 31. "I already have MY barcode." LAST EDITED ON 08-08-01 AT 01:33 PM (EST) I already have MY barcode tatooed on my back. I wanted a big dragon eating a snake, or a mermaid, or an eagle grappling with a snake, but when I woke up, I realized I'd been had. The darn thing isn't even in color. I was hoping the exponential increase in technology would help SOLVE the world's problems, not create them. I hope at least by 2012, technology will have advanced enough to be able to erase a bad tatoo with no scars.   Top

George Tirebiter 2982 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 08-07-01, 07:08 PM (EST) 33. "RE: I already have MY barcode." Poor Pete! Can't lasers undo those? Or maybe you just need to have it turned into a little monkey in a cage. . . maybe with a roll of breath mints? GT (who thinks if this is overly obtuse, you haven't been reading the boards enough--just ask the munky!)   Top

PeterTorque 213 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 08-08-01, 01:38 PM (EST) 44. "Fixed." LAST EDITED ON 08-08-01 AT 10:14 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 08-08-01 AT 02:43 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 08-08-01 AT 02:41 PM (EST) Lasers? I thought they used neutron bombs.   Top

AyatollahKhomeini 2008 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator" 08-01-01, 12:23 PM (EST) 4. "Nuclear-free zones" The idea of one town adopting its own foreign policy is silly, but it's no more silly than those towns (such as my own former homes of Cambridge, MA and Cleveland Heights, OH) that adopted resolutions declaring themselves nuclear-free zones. Silly ideas, whether from the far left or the far right, simply refuse to die (unfortunately).   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-05-01, 02:58 PM (EST) 21. "RE: Nuclear-free zones" LAST EDITED ON 08-05-01 AT 03:31 PM (EST) Bump because this interesting discussion got by me... Now I get to disagree for once with AyaK. I used to laugh when I saw the Nuclear Free Zone signs around here, because I took it to mean that the community could neither send nor receive an atomic blast. Pretty silly although optomistic. I later learned that in Marin and Berkeley, at least, the nuke-free ordinance has some practical application in that it's rejecting the idea of having nuclear materials shipped through the community. We have all these crazy drivers, and trucks full of terrible chemicals passing through densely populated areas, and the residents aren't at all aware that it's happening. The ordinance probably has no jurisdiction over the State/Fed highway system and only over the city streets. Beyond the idea of seeking to avoid an environmental disaster, the ordinance aims, I believe, to declare opposition to the Nuclear Energy industry and supporting the development of wind, solar, and other forms of energy production that don't create poisonous byproducts that then have to be stored for centuries... If I'm not totally wrong about this (always possible) these nuke-free ordinances attempt to assert the local will of the people when larger governmental agencies are putting them at risk without consulting them. As I recall from the debate that went on in Marin when I lived there, the resolution also puts restrictions on contracts that the City can enter into that might relate to nuclear materials or technology. I still laugh at the Drug-free Zone signs though--are all the drug dealers going to get the hell away from there when they see the sign--maybe throw their inventory out their car windows before the Drug radar ID's them? I don't think so. (But yes, I think they have some power to levy a stiffer sentence within those zones--usually around schools, and they do make a statement in places like Oakland that need to tell the crack dealers they're not welcome and that people want their neighborhoods back.) With respect to the Book of Revelations topic: I'd just like to throw the idea into the mix (not originating from me) that the book may recount a mystical experience in which the elements that are debated above as predicting history are not literal events at all. They may be read as symbolizing the spiritual revelations and experiences of conflict that the soul encounters on its journey. The vivid images may also provide us with a poetic record of John's personal mystical vision. The Second Coming of Christ, in that reading, is again not the literal return of Christ to the Earth but the coming of the Christ spirit to enlighten the soul of the seeker. One reason that I prefer this interpretation--the B of R then becomes a timeless message for all ages rather than a doomsday prophecy aimed at one generation, far in the future, which along the way inspires generation after generation with groundless fear and suspicion of other nations and of technological innovations. Why that would have been a service to Mankind I cannot imagine. If prophecy of literal historical events is to help and not harm, it ought to arrive somewhat near to the pertinent time IMHO. Human beings naturally seek for relevance to themselves in the HERE and NOW, and have been doing a good job of finding ways to make the case for the B or R to apply to their current generation for the last two milliennia. Edited to insert an unspecified afterthought...   Top

desert_rhino 10087 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-05-01, 09:25 PM (EST) 22. "RE: Nuclear-free zones" ...And yet, they scream when they're subject to rolling blackouts and skyrocketing energy costs. "Save us! Save us! Come HELP us, oh federal-government-in-whose-face-we-spit-on-the-topic-of-nuclear-power-but-we-want-plentiful-cheap-CLEAN-power. (but don't make us pay for R&D on solar, wind, tidal, or geothermal)" What-EVAH!! -- JV "What rage for fame attends both great and small! Better be damned than mentioned not at all." --John Wolcot (1738–1819)   Top

Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-05-01, 10:00 PM (EST) 23. "California calling rest of USA" Well, JV, See what you made me do. I got this awhile back and maybe you've all seen it, but maybe you all might get a chuckle or even look at the energy crisis in my state a little differently: Dear USA, California ranks 48th in the nation in power consumed per person. California grows more than half the nation's fruit, nuts and vegetables. We're keeping them. We need something to eat when the power goes out. We grow 99 percent or more of the nation's almonds, artichokes, dates, figs, kiwifruit, olives, persimmons, pistachios, prunes, raisins and walnuts. Hope you won't miss them. California is the nation's number one dairy state. We're keeping our dairy products. We'll need plenty of fresh ones since our refrigerators can't be relied upon. Got milk? We Californians are gonna keep all our high-tech software in state. Silicon Valley is ours, after all. Without enough electricity, which you're apparently keeping for yourselves, we just plain don't have enough software to spare. We're keeping all our airplanes. California builds a good percentage of the commercial airliners available to fly you people to where you want to go. When yours wear out, you'd better hope Boeing's Washington plant can keep you supplied. There isn't enough electricity here to allow us to export any more planes than we need ourselves. And while we're at it, we're keeping all our high-tech aerospace stuff, too, like the sophisticated weapons systems that let you sleep at night, not worried you might wake up under the rule of some foreign kook. Oh, yeah, and if you want to make a long-distance call, remember where the satellite components and tracking systems come from. Maybe you could get back in the habit of writing letters. Want to see a blockbuster movie this weekend? Come to California. We make them here. Since we'll now have to make them with our own electricity, we're keeping them. Even if we shot them somewhere else, the labs, printing facilities, editing facilities, and sound facilities are all here. Want some nice domestic wine? We produce over 17 million gallons per year. We'll need all it to drown our sorrows when we think about the fact that no matter how many California products we export to make the rest of America's lives better, America can't see its way clear to help us out with a little electricity. You can no longer have any of our wine. You all complain that we don't build enough power plants. Well, you don't grown enough food, write enough software, make enough movies, build enough airplanes and defense systems or make enough wine. This is your last warning, America. Lighten (us) up before it's too late. Love, The Californians I guess we're a bit snarfy about this issue.   Top

AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-06-01, 05:06 PM (EST) 25. "Nuclear power" LAST EDITED ON 08-06-01 AT 05:11 PM (EST) OFG, I realize that there were dual intents of the so-called "nuclear-free" laws, in that they were intended to both express opposition to nuclear war and to nuclear power. Unfortunately for the featherbrained creators of such laws, we have a concept in this country called interstate commerce, and no municipality has been delegated the power to disrupt it by barring shipments, even shipments of radioactive materials, through their communities. In other words, the laws declaring communities nuclear-free zones have as much real-world applicability as a law outlawing the U.N. Coming back to California and power -- the problem isn't the lack of nuclear or conventional power plants. California's ex-governor Peter "Principle" Wilson had the scatterbrained idea that, since deregulation will make power costs go down, the state's utilities should NOT be entering into long-term contracts to buy power but should buy all power on the spot market for now ... of course, the incompetent governor failed to realize that (for a variety of reasons involving imperfect competition during the changeover to a market economy ... or even a cause so simple as OPEC getting its act together) power prices might actually go up for a brief period. Duhhhhh. Wilson's punishment has been political oblivion. Unfortunately, his successor, Gray Davis, makes Pete look like a mental giant, so naturally things haven't gotten much better for the poor state. Should we bail out California for Pete Wilson's mistake? Speaking as a registered Republican who watched Wilson push a message of intolerance and anti-immigration that turned California into a Democrat hotbed in less than six years ... NO! Maybe, just maybe, someone competent will rise in California politics, someone who isn't a Wilson or a Davis or a Lungren, someone with the vision to take on the complex challenges facing the nation's most populous state in the 21st Century, someone who isn't just a political whore biding time until he or she can run for national office ........ NAAAAH! Never happen!   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-07-01, 07:55 PM (EST) 38. "RE: Nuclear power" Speaking as a liberal Jeffersonian, I would have no problem with the rest of the nation bailing California out of its current energy woes if I could see this truly being beneficial to the nation rather than just to California's benefit. I have nothing against the state, but much of it is over-populated converted desert which already drains regional resources beyond reason, meaning out of proportion with the benefit produced. This is one time when I think we all and California in particular would be much better off letting California solve its own problems for a change. "If the race of man should be left naked upon a desert island, we should become extinct in six weeks. A few individuals might linger, but in a year would become worse than monkeys." (Samuel Butler, "Erewhon")   Top

SkyRaider 1301 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 08-06-01, 06:34 PM (EST) 26. "RE: California calling rest of USA" Yep, it's true..... We have a lot of fruits and nuts in California.   Top

SherpaDave 8326 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-06-01, 06:58 PM (EST) 28. "RE: California calling rest of USA" Hey OFG, Did you ever hear about the Arcadia movement a few years back? It never gained much momentum, but the idea was that a corridor along the Pacific starting in Silicon Valley on the South and extending up through BC to the north would secede from the US and Canada. Even though it was probably just the pipe dream of some wild-eyed libertarians in Redmond, the idea always had a weird kind of appeal to me. Seems to me that the last time I thought about it was when another Bush was in office... Hmm... thinking about it more, it may have even been a tongue-in-cheek article in one of our weekly papers (can't find a thing about it on the net in a search). Ah, well. The idea still entertains me. Yeah, I'm a DAW. Is that a problem?   Top

desert_rhino 10087 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-07-01, 09:53 AM (EST) 32. "RE: California calling rest of USA" I note that you Californicators, who are supposedly SO PROUD of your state and its accomplishments and contributions, are FLEEING said state in record numbers. You're descending on states like Colorado and Wyoming like a plague of locusts, driving housing costs and water reserves through the ceiling and floor, respectively. Bully for you! If the state's so freaking awesome, STAY THERE. One of the reasons that California is 48th in per capita energy use is Prop 2 1/2 (is that the name? the one that requires 2/3 majority votes on any tax increases?) Very little has been done to keep up the infrastructure, since. Also bear in mind that a MAJOR portion of the energy costs associated with a post-industrial or industrial society is heating and cooling. CA is blessed with a climate that requires much less heating and cooling than the rest of the country. Good for you! Oh wait, that's not anything you've done, it just is. Never mind. And KEEP your movies, fruits, nuts, and flakes. Keep your software, your airplanes, and your touchy-feely-hippie-loving high-tech weapons systems. Just one thing... Don't keep your number ONE cash crop (in number of dollars brought into the state...) We might need some marijuana to smoke while we get over the loss of all the other stuff. -- JV "What rage for fame attends both great and small! Better be damned than mentioned not at all." --John Wolcot (1738–1819)   Top

George Tirebiter 2982 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 08-07-01, 07:14 PM (EST) 35. "OOOOOOHHHHH--I get it now!" I thought you just needed a little lovin', whine-o. . . NOW I see the real problem! Quick--someone get this guy some weed, PRONTO! We need to mellow his ass out! GT   Top

desert_rhino 10087 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-01-01, 11:15 PM (EST) 11. "RE: Utah Town OUTLAWS the UN" betcha a dollar that burglary and armed robbery are so low as to be unmeasurable in the "next town over." Good Citizens owning guns is good. Leaving it up to the cops is a joke. -- JV "What rage for fame attends both great and small! Better be damned than mentioned not at all." --John Wolcot (1738–1819)   Top

ItzLisa 3350 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 08-02-01, 06:31 AM (EST) 14. "RE: Utah Town OUTLAWS the UN" *follows Buggy in, but only up to the ankles* Yeah, you're right - waaaaay too deep! (Heads off with Buggy to the kiddy pool!*) ****************************************   Top

moonbaby 17120 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-02-01, 11:00 AM (EST) 16. "RE: Utah Town OUTLAWS the UN" Throw me in the shallow water before I get too deep...   Top

Drive My Car 20045 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-02-01, 11:17 AM (EST) 18. "RE: Utah Town OUTLAWS the UN" Hey Bubbles and Moonie !!!!!!!! **Splash Splash Splash**   Top

mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-02-01, 01:01 PM (EST) 19. "RE: Utah Town OUTLAWS the UN" I'm taking the 5th on this discussion. Do we still have the 5th Amendment or has that been outlawed too? *heads for the kiddy pool with her water wings* mistofleas   Top

desert_rhino 10087 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-02-01, 01:18 PM (EST) 20. "RE: Utah Town OUTLAWS the UN" sweetie, the 5th has been gutted for a loooong time, along with the 14th, the 4th, the 2nd, and now the 1st, apparently. -- JV "What rage for fame attends both great and small! Better be damned than mentioned not at all." --John Wolcot (1738–1819)   Top

SkyRaider 1301 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 08-06-01, 06:38 PM (EST) 27. "I see......" I see black helicopters...... I see secret messages written on the back of road signs.. I see multiple wives.... Ack! I see multiple divorce lawyers!   Top

idiotcowboy 1135 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 08-06-01, 07:00 PM (EST) 29. "RE: I see......" >I see multiple wives.... > >Ack! I see multiple divorce lawyers! Now that's scary! -ICB   Top

PeterTorque 213 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 08-07-01, 04:33 AM (EST) 30. "We figured it out!" We just figured it out, the ban-the-UN deal is just a smokescreen to hide the real issue in La Verkin, Utah: multiple wives. Those good old boys are geniuses.   Top

George Tirebiter 2982 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 08-07-01, 07:11 PM (EST) 34. "RE: We figured it out!" Multiple wives? Where the hell do I go for multiple HUSBANDS?!! Now THERE'S an idea whose time may have come! GT   Top

LadyT 5567 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-07-01, 07:36 PM (EST) 36. "RE: We figured it out!" GT, I am right there with you. Multiple Husbands! What a thought -------------------------------------- I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas eve, and I believe in long, slow,deep, soft, wet kisses that last for three days. Goodnight.   Top

AyatollahKhomeini 2008 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator" 08-07-01, 07:37 PM (EST) 37. "New religion" Well, GT, Joseph Smith started his own religion to make his vision of plural wives into a reality. Now it's your turn!   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-07-01, 07:58 PM (EST) 39. "RE: New religion" And now he's buried in Carthage, Illinois, go figure. "If the race of man should be left naked upon a desert island, we should become extinct in six weeks. A few individuals might linger, but in a year would become worse than monkeys." (Samuel Butler, "Erewhon")   Top

George Tirebiter 2982 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 08-08-01, 00:10 AM (EST) 40. "RE: New religion" > Joseph Smith started his own religion . . . Now it's your turn! Bleagh--that sounds too much like work! Plus, you've got to worry about assassination attempts, all that legalistic mumbo jumbo to avoid taxes, and no matter how clever you are about setting things up, someone always figures out a way to twist the whole thing around to satisfy their own goals and cut corners cuz they think it's too much work to follow the book. Either that, or it'd turn out like Scientology, Dianetics, or the Manson Family, and I couldn't stand to be associated with anything so lame. . . GT   Top

LadyT 5567 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 08-08-01, 00:22 AM (EST) 41. "RE: New religion" Or the Heaven's Gate cult. Remember them? When they killed themselves, during the Hale Bopp comet was here,they all had a roll of quarters with them. Why? For the tolls of course, since they were catching the end of the comet. -------------------------------------- I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas eve, and I believe in long, slow,deep, soft, wet kisses that last for three days. Goodnight.   Top

George Tirebiter 2982 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 08-08-01, 00:33 AM (EST) 42. "RE: New religion" LMAO@Heaven's Gate! Yes, they were lame, too--but they got to wear some really KEWL SNEAKERS! GT (who's now wondering if the owner ever found another renter for that property--or even if the stench ever went away. . . )   Top

PeterTorque 213 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 08-08-01, 01:16 PM (EST) 43. "Those fools" With their quarters, don't they know comet rides are FREE!   Top

AyatollahKhomeini 2008 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator" 08-08-01, 01:45 PM (EST) 45. "Does this count?" >Plus, you've got to worry >about assassination attempts Naah, no one assassinated Joseph Smith, he just got hung by a mob. That doesn't count, does it?   Top

PeterTorque 213 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 08-08-01, 02:07 PM (EST) 46. "RE: Does this count?" Like many things in life, that would depend on which side you were on.   Top

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