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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-10-03, 07:29 AM (EST) "Latest Shuttle News... left wing fried..." Here's a story on the latest shuttle information and theory. It appears that the left wing was extra crispy and done for well before the actual shuttle breakup: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/10/national/nationalspecial/10SHUT.html?ex=1047877200&en=097ed8d003968de7&ei=5006&partner=ALTAVISTA1 Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    The blame game AyaK 03-10-03 1    RE: The blame game SurvivinDawg 03-10-03 2        RE: The blame game desert_rhino 03-10-03 3            Agree ... but AyaK 03-10-03 4                RE: Agree ... but desert_rhino 03-10-03 5                    ISS Crew lifeboat... IceCat 03-10-03 6                        RE: ISS Crew lifeboat... desert_rhino 03-10-03 7                            Yup... In that case... IceCat 03-10-03 8

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AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-10-03, 12:51 PM (EST) 1. "The blame game" It seems to me that NASA and Boeing have been trying extra-hard to leak theories that would indicate that something OTHER than tile damage from the foam insulation peeling off and hitting the shuttle was the cause of the disaster. That way, NASA officials wouldn't look so irresponsible for canceling the satellite "fly-by" to investigate the tile damage. However, the facts keep getting in NASA's and Boeing's way: Boeing questions How the damage occurred   Top

SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-10-03, 01:36 PM (EST) 2. "RE: The blame game" Even if ALL this is true, and the insulating foam DID cause the initial damage... from what I understand, there is nothing that could have been done. Of course, I've always thought that they could've tried for the International Space Station. They couldn't dock, but perphaps could've tethered a line and spacewalked to the door. I do wish they'd just try to find the truth without blaming or fingerpointing from the get-go, but I suppose that is a wee bit much to ask. Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged   Top

desert_rhino 10087 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-10-03, 02:13 PM (EST) 3. "RE: The blame game" They could NOT have made it to the ISS. If they could have, the docking setup is there to dock, it's just that they didn't have the delta-V to change into the ISS's orbit. The only thing that would have been even remotely viable would have been an emergency launch of the next shuttle in line. It's debatable as to whether Columbia would have had enough reserves to hold out until then. I'd look it up, but I have to go run errands. It was discussed on CNN fairly early on, IIRC. -- JV   Top

AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-10-03, 04:43 PM (EST) 4. "Agree ... but" LAST EDITED ON 03-10-03 AT 04:48 PM (EST) The ISS was not an option, but who knows what could have been done if NASA had KNOWN that there was a problem instead of ASSUMING there wasn't? (Remember Apollo 13!) Spacewalk to find out? NASA, however, was very quick to report that nothing could have been done in any event, which is the entire point of this article. It makes a nice story, but -- as the investigation proceeds -- I'm certain we'll find that, in fact, something COULD have been done. As I said, it's all about the blame game in Washington.   Top

desert_rhino 10087 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-10-03, 06:17 PM (EST) 5. "RE: Agree ... but" Had they investigated much earlier, energy, oxygen, and consumables would have been conserved earlier, stretching them, and more time would have been available to get a rescue started. Yes, starting from landing day, odds are good not one damn thing would have helped. Starting from the day after launch, I'd lay good money it'd have been possible to get a shuttle up. The only one I clearly ruled out was the ISS, and that's just plain math. another thing to consider is why we DON'T have a quick-launch capacity of any sort? What if the ISS crew *needs* rescuing, suddenly? -- JV   Top

IceCat 17415 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-10-03, 06:25 PM (EST) 6. "ISS Crew lifeboat..." The ISS has a Russian Soyuz capsule that is permanently attached to the station for use as an escape pod to return to earth.   Top

desert_rhino 10087 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-10-03, 07:11 PM (EST) 7. "RE: ISS Crew lifeboat..." Yes, I was aware of the escape pod, but what if that section of the station is the problem? Fire. Impact. Breach. That's more the point. We have no orbital RESCUE capability. -- JV   Top

IceCat 17415 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-10-03, 07:44 PM (EST) 8. "Yup... In that case..." They're screwed...   Top

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