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Canada Girl 3340 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 12-18-04, 03:15 PM (EST) "Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" LAST EDITED ON 12-18-04 AT 03:21 PM (EST) Just found out I can't eat sushi while I'm pregnant. I'm horrified. I didn't know this with my last kid as that was 12 years ago and I hadn't even tried sushi yet. No sushi. None. Forbidden. Does that sound great or bad to you? And what else can't I eat? Starting to rethink this whole thing! Grumble, grumble... I guess veggie sushi will be ok... for now   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... brvnkrz 12-18-04 1  RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... desert_rhino 12-18-04 2  RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... J Slice 12-18-04 3    RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... AugustGirl 12-18-04 4        RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... J Slice 12-18-04 6            RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... ExInterper 12-18-04 11  RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... CantStandToLook 12-18-04 5  RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... Molaholic 12-18-04 7    LOL moonbaby 12-18-04 8        RE: LOL J Slice 12-18-04 9        Veggie Canada Girl 12-18-04 10  RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... ExInterper 12-18-04 12    RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... Canada Girl 12-18-04 13        RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... ExInterper 12-18-04 15            RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... Immunegirl 12-19-04 22                RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... ExInterper 12-19-04 24  RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... wandacal 12-18-04 14    HIV Immunegirl 12-19-04 21  RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... evelina 12-18-04 16    Fetal-Maternal Tolerance Immunegirl 12-19-04 20        RE: Fetal-Maternal Tolerance evelina 12-19-04 25        RE: Fetal-Maternal Tolerance Molaholic 12-19-04 27  RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... Drive My Car 12-18-04 17  RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... Smooth23 12-19-04 18  RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... Immunegirl 12-19-04 19    RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... Smooth23 12-19-04 26  Wait! greenmonstah 12-19-04 23    Bah. Coconut 12-19-04 31  RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... blacknwhitedog 12-19-04 28  Good thing. Estee 12-19-04 29  you're okay cqvenus 12-19-04 30    RE: you're okay wandacal 12-19-04 32  *sigh* zombiebaby 12-19-04 33  RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... Bebo 12-19-04 34  RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... samboohoo 12-20-04 35    RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or... ginger 12-20-04 36

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brvnkrz 20491 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-18-04, 03:17 PM (EST) 1. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" That sounds like a good thing to me.   Top

desert_rhino 10087 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-18-04, 03:25 PM (EST) 2. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" No raw chicken parts. That whole sushi scare is... well... just a scare, really. Pretty soon they're going to be suggesting that pregnant women eat nothing but a pre-digested sterile mash with appropriate nutrient content and live in a padded room with nice safe exercise equipment. What. ev. er.   Top

J Slice 13166 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-18-04, 03:27 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" Probably shouldn't ingest poison.   Top

AugustGirl 11534 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-18-04, 03:33 PM (EST) 4. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" And in that same line of thinking, you probably shouldn't run for office in the Ukraine. Dioxin is some nasty stuff.   Top

J Slice 13166 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-18-04, 03:37 PM (EST) 6. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" In Soviet Russia, sushi eats YOU!   Top

ExInterper 3093 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 12-18-04, 05:29 PM (EST) 11. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" *snort* Oh Yakov Smirnoff. A lonely nation turns its eyes to you. (c) Slicey 2004 Mmmm...blog.... "Politics or just a game? Well in the end they knew his name." -- Mighty Mighty Bosstones   Top

CantStandToLook 6254 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-18-04, 03:33 PM (EST) 5. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" Sushi = bad, bleck , yeck and now I can at say yes I did try it and hated it. "It's a retro WinterSlice sig"   Top

Molaholic 9015 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-18-04, 03:52 PM (EST) 7. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" if you knew Sushi, like I knew Sushi ....   Top

moonbaby 17120 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-18-04, 03:59 PM (EST) 8. "LOL" I was just thinking that I can live without sushi. The presentation is great but I don't care much for it. Veggie sushi sounds really good! What kind of veggies are used in that?   Top

J Slice 13166 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-18-04, 04:00 PM (EST) 9. "RE: LOL" One of my favorites is the extremely simple kappa roll. Just yer standard sushi roll, with nothin' but cucumber inside. Yum.   Top

Canada Girl 3340 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 12-18-04, 05:22 PM (EST) 10. "Veggie" LAST EDITED ON 12-18-04 AT 05:23 PM (EST) My favorite veggie sushi has cucumber, avacado, shitake mushroom, and japanese pickled dicon radish, which gives it a spicy crunch. Yum! I had forgotten how much I like that. I feel better already. Edited to add: Go to a sushi place, tell them you are want to try lots of sushi but you are a vegitarian. Most places will go out of their way to introduce you to all kinds of tasty options!   Top

ExInterper 3093 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 12-18-04, 05:30 PM (EST) 12. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" That sounds horrible. Completely horrible. I dunno if I could live without my spicy tuna and alaskan maki. (c) Slicey 2004 Mmmm...blog.... "Politics or just a game? Well in the end they knew his name." -- Mighty Mighty Bosstones   Top

Canada Girl 3340 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 12-18-04, 05:36 PM (EST) 13. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" Ah, you understand! And it's worst, because we're driving out to Seattle where the fish is FRESH! My lovely supportive husband laughed at my sushi fit. And then reminded me that I love Dynamite rolls (spicy sushi with a cooked, battered shrimp in it). I must go have some soon, am craving like crazy! Keep your eye on the ball!   Top

ExInterper 3093 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 12-18-04, 05:48 PM (EST) 15. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" Oh, I understand completely. I never had sushi until I went to college, but then I got hooked on the stuff. Hey, it's better for you than crack, right? The best part is that there is this awesome sushi place down Beacon St from my apartment, and it's open til 2 am. Best.Late.Night.Snack.Ever. (c) Slicey 2004 Mmmm...blog.... "Politics or just a game? Well in the end they knew his name." -- Mighty Mighty Bosstones   Top

Immunegirl 2304 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Seventeen Magazine Model" 12-19-04, 02:27 AM (EST) 22. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" The best part is that there is this awesome sushi place down Beacon St from my apartment, and it's open til 2 am. Best.Late.Night.Snack.Ever. If only I had read this post slightly earlier, I would have told you to meet me there. Now I'm just going to crave sushi till tomorrow. How did exams go? Gothmog is the greatest.   Top

ExInterper 3093 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 12-19-04, 12:11 PM (EST) 24. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" Even if you had, I'm in Maine for the weekend for Mom's family holiday thing (back tomorrow, weather permitting, to drop off the car and finish shopping and then back to Maine on Wednesday). But there will be other late night sushi cravings, I'm sure. Exams were no problem: T&E was fine (though a grossly unfair exam in terms of the stuff she asked. I didn't care because I worked fast enough to figure it out, but a lot of people were right upset), Evidence was better than expected, and Remedies was about what I thought it would be. And I'm done. Whoo! We gonna see pics at some point of last Saturday? (c) Slicey 2004 Mmmm...blog.... "Politics or just a game? Well in the end they knew his name." -- Mighty Mighty Bosstones   Top

wandacal 4018 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 12-18-04, 05:43 PM (EST) 14. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" Not to compare apples and oranges, (or is that bananas and peaches?), but when a friend of my brother's was diagnosed with HIV, sushi was one of the foods on the forbidden list. Perhaps it has something to do with the supposed hepatitis tie-in. Like JV said, I believe this is more myth than fact. Iggy would be a great one to ask about this. Me? I had to pretty much cut out rice when I was diagnosed with diabetes. The carbs quickly break down into sugar. So now I still order unagi (my favorite!) and assorted fish both raw and steamed and they are very hospitable by simply rolling it in seaweed. Envy me! It's a RollDdice! I *heart* all sushi except for octopus. Blech!   Top

Immunegirl 2304 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Seventeen Magazine Model" 12-19-04, 02:25 AM (EST) 21. "HIV" The issue with eating sushi when you are HIV-positive is that sometimes (rarely) there can be parasites in the fish. Most people can fight them off, but of course those who are HIV-positive might not be able to. By getting sushi that is handled well/from a "reputable" place, you are less likely to have a problem with that. However, they still recommend that HIV-positive individuals don't eat sushi when their CD4+ T cell counts are low. Once the patients are on medications and their CD4 counts come back up, then sushi is a go. *smooches* Hi! How are you! Gothmog is the greatest.   Top

evelina 148 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 12-18-04, 06:03 PM (EST) 16. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" I? Think it's a very, very bad thing. I'm seven plus months into my own sushi-free pregnancy experience (to be followed, I hope, by a year or two of sushi-free breastfeeding) and just like last time around I crave sashimi all. the. time. If I understand it right, by the way, I think listeria is the threat to watch out for with sushi. It's also the reason you're not supposed to eat deli meats, soft cheeses, and half a dozen other things while you're pregnant. Small quantities of listeria, too small to make you ill if you're healthy and not pregnant, can make a pregnant woman seriously ill and can cause both early and late-term miscarriage. IG can probably give the straight scoop on this much better than I, but my sense from doing way too much reading is that pregnancy is an immuno-suppressing process, because a pregnant woman whose immune system is strong and fully functioning would probably react against the fetus as if it were a foreign body and work to expell or kill it. As a result, icky bugs that normally would pass right under the radar become a more serious threat. *sigh* And that means no sushi and no unpasteurized brie, even with really good crackers and plenty of caraway seeds. The agony of it all . . . Now I'm drooling for tekka maki. Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004   Top

Immunegirl 2304 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Seventeen Magazine Model" 12-19-04, 02:19 AM (EST) 20. "Fetal-Maternal Tolerance" You're totally right about the potential for a mother to have immunological problems with a fetus. It is sort of like transplant rejection (the baby is half like dad, so it is a half-mismatched transplant) The immunological processes that occur to allow pregnancy are pretty interesting. I wouldn't really call pregnancy immunosuppressing though. It is more of a site-specific immunosuppression (as opposed to the whole body being immunosuppressed). The uterus is immunosuppressed, but the rest of mom is pretty normal. The placenta mediates most of the tolerance. Basically, if mom's immune system tries to do anything bad to the fetus, the placenta tells it who is boss. Otherwise, mom's immune system is okay-in fact it needs to be strong because mom ends up passing some of her immune system to the baby during gestation and also through breast-feeding. The real worries about infection are to make sure that mom has enough nutrients and to make sure that mom doesn't pass an infection to the baby, whose immune system isn't fully developed. Gothmog is the greatest.   Top

evelina 148 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 12-19-04, 12:16 PM (EST) 25. "RE: Fetal-Maternal Tolerance" Thanks, IG -- I just knew you'd be able to explain this better than I could! Slice & Dice Chop Shop 2004   Top

Molaholic 9015 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-19-04, 01:59 PM (EST) 27. "RE: Fetal-Maternal Tolerance" Thanking the Maker that I am a banana and don't need to go through all these machinations. Ladies -- my hat's off to you! TAR5 Casino Game "Foundation" Player sigpic a GeorgiaBelle creation MMIV   Top

Drive My Car 20045 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-18-04, 08:53 PM (EST) 17. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" Oh mygoodnes SAKES! I? Did not know you were expecting! Wow! I've missed so much lately. Was there an announcement thread? Congrats! I am so happy for you guys!   Top

Smooth23 1244 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 12-19-04, 01:41 AM (EST) 18. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" I couldn't even think about eating raw fish. Have you ever cleaned your own fish? occasionally they have these little parasites in them that are look like really small maggots. Those are things that are clearly visible, living in the flesh of fish. I'd hate to think of other things that live inside fish meat that cannot be seen with the eye.   Top

Immunegirl 2304 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Seventeen Magazine Model" 12-19-04, 01:58 AM (EST) 19. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" LAST EDITED ON 12-19-04 AT 02:10 AM (EST) Booo. That sounds like a very, very bad thing to me. I'm sorry. If you would like, you can give all of your extra sushi to me..... For those of you that were wondering about the reasons for this-it is twofold. One, as is mentioned above is the risk of parasites, Listeria monocytogenes or otherwise. They can certainly make you sick, but the biggest issue is that a parasite's job is to steal nutrients from you, so a parasite infection leads to malnourishment. The parasite problem is sort of avoidable-the possibility of parasite contamination is greatly lessened by proper handling of the fish etc., but this is the main reason that pregnant women are told not to eat sushi or soft cheeses. The other problem with sushi is actually an issue with seafood in general. There can be relatively high levels of mercury or other chemical contaminants in fish (depending on where the fish are from) that are also bad for a baby. I don't know how real or how serious either of these threats are. There aren't any published studies talking about someone who actually had damage to a baby because of any of these things, but at the same time it's better to be safe than sorry. A lot of the oils in fish are really important for development. I haven't been in this situation, and I don't know how I'll deal with it. I suppose I'll generally stay away from bad foods, but I don't think that having sushi once or twice would be the worst thing ever. I'll answer the other things about immunosuppression as replies to the people that asked them, just to keep this sort of short.   Top

Smooth23 1244 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 12-19-04, 12:53 PM (EST) 26. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" Yeah, I forgot to mention the chemical thing and was just checking this thread to add it if it wasn't already. Fish cummulate chemicals in their bodies instead of breaking them down. The older/bigger the fish is the more chemicals are concentrated in it.   Top

greenmonstah 10761 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-19-04, 08:01 AM (EST) 23. "Wait!" LAST EDITED ON 12-19-04 AT 12:33 PM (EST) You are pregnant?!?!?!?!? How wonderful! How did I not know this? *internally blames Nutty* What a blessing! Congrats! You are worried about sushi? Well, you must not be having much naussea....I regret to tell you, from one sushi lover to another, it is off the list. A recent list of the no no foods are below: (Years ago, I am sure these were all okay to eat when you preggy with your dream boat son!) Swordfish, tuna and shark is also off the list due to high levels of mercury. (although 6 oz of canned tuna a week is safe.) Raw eggs...like in Ceaser Salad dressing. Soft cheeses (ie fetas, bries) and cold cuts are also out because of lysteria...although your risk is much lower with cold cuts. No changing Frisky's litter box either. This message brought to you by Monsty, MD.   Top

Coconut 10856 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-19-04, 05:41 PM (EST) 31. "Bah." First, I had no idea you were pregnant. Congratulations! That is so exciting! Secondly, Monsty is a great big green dork. Thirdly, I ate sushi and unpasteurized cheese throughout my pregnancy and I (and baby) are just fine. It doesn't work for everyone, but I was lucky enough to have a very easy pregnancy (especially no nausea) and a healthy baby, so pick and choose your advice. My Korean friend who just had a baby says it isn't forbidden in Korea, so I think there's perhaps some cultural bias. Heck, we had sushi last night and I'm still nursing. Fourthly, congrats again! That is so great! Mon Cherie est fabuleuse.   Top

blacknwhitedog 6532 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-19-04, 02:56 PM (EST) 28. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" Congratulations! I just eat the fake sushi   Top

Estee 57126 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-19-04, 04:41 PM (EST) 29. "Good thing." But I always thought the whole reason humans (with the exception of Survivor humans) mastered fire was to take sushi off the option list.   Top

cqvenus 9765 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-19-04, 05:22 PM (EST) 30. "you're okay" they recommend to avoid seafood altogether. my mom said it had to do with mercury. but she craved sushi something awful when prego with my youngest sister 12 years ago, and my sister turned out Just Fine. i'd say you're safer if you eat the cooked varieties. my fave is avocado roll and smoked unagi roll. ~ cq mmmmm... sushi...   Top

wandacal 4018 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 12-19-04, 06:16 PM (EST) 32. "RE: you're okay" smoked unagi roll. That's my girl!!! Envy me! It's a RollDdice!   Top

zombiebaby 7356 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-19-04, 07:51 PM (EST) 33. "*sigh*" This is what gets me about pregnancy. So many theories and too much advice and information. Trust your gut. If you are comfortable do it, if not don't. Most everything is OK in moderation. I think what the warning about specific foods are more for you to not eat sushi everyday, 2 times a day. Holiday Gift from Surveysez Bounce courtesy of IceCat   Top

Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-19-04, 09:39 PM (EST) 34. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" I feel your pain. I was so psyched once I spit out Bubba and could have sushi again. You can have the cooked (crab, shrimp) and the vegetarian, though. You just have to keep away from the raw stuff. The other toughie for me was soft cheeses. If you know they're pasteurized, you can have them, but if you're not sure, you can't. Given my love of gorgonzola, that was hard. But I made mega-brownie points when I threw a baby shower and made sure all the cheeses were pasteurized. You know the difference between you and me? I make this look good.   Top

samboohoo 17173 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-20-04, 11:56 AM (EST) 35. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" The sight, smell and taste of cookedmakes me gag, so I couldn't even imagine eating it raw. You're also not supposed to have a lot of chocolate or other caffeine. Handcrafted by RollDdice   Top

ginger 22512 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-20-04, 12:30 PM (EST) 36. "RE: Sushi Forbidden - Good thing or Bad thing?" The no-sushi thing is not as bad as the pee-a-little-every-time-you-cough thing. The mystery and wonder of procreation.   Top

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