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Esbea 7377 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 08:18 AM (EST) "Early Election Questions" Yes, the Presidential Election. Its not all that far off, you know. Heres the question......for those of you who are going to vote the Democrat ticket, is it a vote for John Kerry or a vote against George Bush? I know that there are lots of people who are still undecided, so for you all, what is the big issue thats going to swing your vote one way or the other? For those of you voting the Republican ticket, you obviously think GWB is doing a decent job, but what would you like to see him address more in his second term? Thanks for playing. The louder he talked of his honour, the faster we counted our spoons.   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: Early Election Questions anotherkim 03-15-04 1    RE: Early Election Questions J I M B O 03-16-04 52  RE: Early Election Questions KeithFan 03-15-04 2  RE: Early Election Questions buckeyegirl 03-15-04 3    Winter Soldier bebekid 03-15-04 45  RE: Early Election Questions Silvergirl1 03-15-04 4  RE: Early Election Questions TechNoir 03-15-04 5  RE: Early Election Questions wildchickenhunter 03-15-04 6  RE: Early Election Questions nailbone 03-15-04 7  RE: Early Election Questions J Slice 03-15-04 8    RE: Early Election Questions FesterFan1 03-15-04 9        RE: Early Election Questions TechNoir 03-15-04 16            RE: Early Election Questions Devious Weasel 03-15-04 31            RE: Early Election Questions blacknwhitedog 03-15-04 34  New Kerry Ad on TV!!! KeithFan 03-15-04 10    RE: New Kerry Ad on TV!!! tjstein 03-15-04 14  RE: Early Election Questions SurvivaBear 03-15-04 11  RE: Early Election Questions Drive My Car 03-15-04 12    RE: Early Election Questions Esbea 03-15-04 15        RE: Early Election Questions Drive My Car 03-15-04 17            RE: Early Election Questions Esbea 03-15-04 21  RE: Early Election Questions tjstein 03-15-04 13    RE: Early Election Questions brvnkrz 03-15-04 22        RE: Early Election Questions AZ_Leo 03-15-04 26  RE: Early Election Questions diamond 03-15-04 18    RE: Early Election Questions Drive My Car 03-15-04 19  Vote BoogerBoogerFartyButt ticket! bacon 03-15-04 20    RE: Vote BoogerBoogerFartyButt tick... DebCapsFan 03-15-04 25    RE: Vote BoogerBoogerFartyButt tick... brvnkrz 03-15-04 33    RE: Vote BoogerBoogerFartyButt tick... DSpunk 03-15-04 47  RE: Early Election Questions weltek 03-15-04 23    RE: Early Election Questions ginger 03-15-04 29  RE: Early Election Questions samiam 03-15-04 24    Cool! moonbaby 03-15-04 46  RE: Early Election Questions Swami 03-15-04 27    RE: Early Election Questions nailbone 03-15-04 32        RE: Early Election Questions Sagebrush Dan 03-15-04 50    Economy much better--for CEO's AZ_Leo 03-15-04 40  Early Canadian Election Answers Bucky Katt 03-15-04 28    RE: Early Canadian Election Answers Coconut 03-15-04 30  RE: Early Election Questions blacknwhitedog 03-15-04 35  RE: Early Election Questions greenmonstah 03-15-04 36    RE: Early Election Questions ginger 03-15-04 37        RE: Early Election Questions greenmonstah 03-15-04 39        RE: Early Election Questions tig_ger 03-15-04 41    RE: Early Election Questions Spidey 03-15-04 42  RE: Early Election Questions tig_ger 03-15-04 38    RE: Early Election Questions Esbea 03-15-04 43        RE: Early Election Questions tig_ger 03-15-04 44            RE: Early Election Questions Esbea 03-16-04 51  RE: Early Election Questions RudyRules 03-15-04 48  RE: Early Election Questions Sagebrush Dan 03-15-04 49  RE: Early Election Questions pythonfan 03-16-04 53  RE: Early Election Questions Tiggertramp 03-16-04 54  Bush ... and why AyaK 03-16-04 55    RE: Bush ... and why diamond 03-16-04 56

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anotherkim 14420 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 08:22 AM (EST) 1. "RE: Early Election Questions" I'm still praying that they offer me a "none of the above" choice on the ballot. More later.   Top

J I M B O 6839 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-16-04, 01:27 PM (EST) 52. "RE: Early Election Questions" I've always thought this would be a great equalizer for the carp we're fed by the 'elite'. JIMBO <= Officially declaring my support for a Kimbo campaign.   Top

KeithFan 7422 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 08:24 AM (EST) 2. "RE: Early Election Questions" How many are going to vote Socialist like the Spanish?   Top

buckeyegirl 5449 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 08:27 AM (EST) 3. "RE: Early Election Questions" LAST EDITED ON 03-15-04 AT 08:28 AM (EST) I am not a Bush fan, however there is something about Kerry that I just don't like. My dad's a Vietnam Veteran, and he dislikes Kerry because of all the stuff that happened post-Vietnam. He also doesn't like all that carp Kerry has said about torturing and stuff. (regarding the Vietnam Vets) That being said, I think I am going to cast a protest vote and go for Nadar. Edited because: Ack, my post disappeared for some reason. Who knows what wrong key I hit. ~still undecdided RMMW!   Top

bebekid 1621 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall" 03-15-04, 07:52 PM (EST) 45. "Winter Soldier" LAST EDITED ON 03-15-04 AT 07:54 PM (EST) >My dad's >a Vietnam Veteran, and he >dislikes Kerry because of all >the stuff that happened post-Vietnam. >He also doesn't like all >that carp Kerry has said >about torturing and stuff. (regarding >the Vietnam Vets) This site: Winter Soldier, may explain why your dad and other Vietnam Vets are unhappy with John Kerry. I'm sure we will hear more about this in the months to come.   Top

Silvergirl1 9342 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 09:14 AM (EST) 4. "RE: Early Election Questions" I know that I won't vote for Bush, and the main reason is the huge deficit. We can't go on going over budget year after year and owing money. Sooner or later, this house of cards will collapse. I don't think I like Kerry all that much. I will probably look to a third party candidate that is more deserving of my vote. It's all pretty confusing sometimes.   Top

TechNoir 9741 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 09:33 AM (EST) 5. "RE: Early Election Questions" Against Karl Rove. I don't like Kerry much, but Teresa is growing on me. © J Slice, who rocks "Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words" Proverbs 23-9   Top

wildchickenhunter 3192 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 03-15-04, 09:44 AM (EST) 6. "RE: Early Election Questions" LAST EDITED ON 03-15-04 AT 09:46 AM (EST) I would like to see W focus on reducing spending and security issues. If he can get a handle on those issues then more tax cuts. Flying my car to the nudie bar!   Top

nailbone 27263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 09:46 AM (EST) 7. "RE: Early Election Questions" I'm gonna stick with Bush, and the issue I want him to address is the economy, specifically jobs and deficit spending. Cool new sig courtesy of Jslice o-   Top

J Slice 13166 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 09:49 AM (EST) 8. "RE: Early Election Questions" Why not both? Not that the New York state electoral college needs my vote much anyway... Have you hugged your Kittyloaf today?   Top

FesterFan1 5947 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 10:06 AM (EST) 9. "RE: Early Election Questions" Pity Maryland doesn't, either. I'll do what I did in 2000. I'll find a 3rd party who could use a vote to help get funding, and vote there. Fester Stoopid Electoral College.   Top

TechNoir 9741 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 10:20 AM (EST) 16. "RE: Early Election Questions" I'll be anxious to hear about a deserving one ... © J Slice, who rocks I'm probably the only defender of the electoral college left.   Top

Devious Weasel 18756 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 12:00 PM (EST) 31. "RE: Early Election Questions" No Pepper Naw, there's at least two of us.   Top

blacknwhitedog 6532 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 12:21 PM (EST) 34. "RE: Early Election Questions" me three   Top

KeithFan 7422 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 10:12 AM (EST) 10. "New Kerry Ad on TV!!!" I don't speak Arabic, but I don't think Osama wants Bush for 4 more years   Top

tjstein 1960 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 03-15-04, 10:18 AM (EST) 14. "RE: New Kerry Ad on TV!!!" My husband and I rented Head of State this past weekend. Very funny.   Top

SurvivaBear 2634 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 03-15-04, 10:12 AM (EST) 11. "RE: Early Election Questions" In the end, I will probably vote for GW. I think he has done many things right, but I am really concerned about the deficit. I also think Social Security and Medicare need a second look as droves of baby boomers begin to retire and put a strain on the system. I also think he should not be messing around with any Constitutional Amendments.   Top

Drive My Car 20045 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 10:13 AM (EST) 12. "RE: Early Election Questions" Hi Esbea! *waves*   Top

Esbea 7377 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 10:20 AM (EST) 15. "RE: Early Election Questions" Hey Buggy! *waves back* What'cha doin? Me? Im composing a nasty letter to US Air   Top

Drive My Car 20045 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 10:32 AM (EST) 17. "RE: Early Election Questions" I'm recovering from a houseguest and preparing for another. It's springbreak here, so I slept in til 7. Oh , while you're doing that, would you mind writing one to Southwest for me? They keep flying my family members to Dallas, and they all stay here.   Top

Esbea 7377 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 11:05 AM (EST) 21. "RE: Early Election Questions" my kids have had so many long weekends and short days, I dont think they should get a spring break. If Southwest were flying my family to Dallas instead of here, Id be writing to thank them   Top

tjstein 1960 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 03-15-04, 10:17 AM (EST) 13. "RE: Early Election Questions" I'll be voting against Bush. I'm leaning towards Kerry right now because no third party candidate would actually be able to get Bush out of office at this point. I can see that it's important to vote for third party candidates. Don't they get more funding and the opportunity to debate based on their numbers? But at this point, if one really wants Bush out of office...the Democrat is the obvious choice. Even if he wasn't the Democrat I wanted.   Top

brvnkrz 20491 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 11:15 AM (EST) 22. "RE: Early Election Questions" LAST EDITED ON 03-15-04 AT 11:33 AM (EST) I have to agree with you TJ. I would love to vote for a third party but I think that is a vote for GWB and on too many levels I want him out. That said, I will be voting for Kerry. Edited because I forgot to say that I would be voting for Kerry and not a 3rd party.   Top

AZ_Leo 3526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 03-15-04, 11:24 AM (EST) 26. "RE: Early Election Questions" Protest votes for a third party is how we got stuck with Bush the last time. Most of those were taken from Gore and in an election that close, tipped the scale. It would be nice if there was a true third choice but the reality is there is not. If you are voting for Nader (or any other) because you truly believe he would be a better president than either of the other candidates, then that is fine. If you are voting for him as a protest vote or if you don't vote at all then it's nothing more than a cop out. Kerry would not have been my first choice but I do believe he would be better then Bush or any of the others. That is why I will vote for Kerry.   Top

diamond 2307 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Seventeen Magazine Model" 03-15-04, 10:35 AM (EST) 18. "RE: Early Election Questions" Well, the fact that Matthew Broderick is playing a teacher makes me feel kind of old, but I think that Reese Witherspoon is gonna be a big star.   Top

Drive My Car 20045 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 10:37 AM (EST) 19. "RE: Early Election Questions" *snicker*   Top

bacon 2824 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 03-15-04, 10:54 AM (EST) 20. "Vote BoogerBoogerFartyButt ticket!" Without your support we won't be able to fight the evil that is the Republican and Democratic parties!   Top

DebCapsFan 2747 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 03-15-04, 11:21 AM (EST) 25. "RE: Vote BoogerBoogerFartyButt ticket!" I feel you have an anti-hockey bias, and I just can't support that. Handcrafted by RolldDice.   Top

brvnkrz 20491 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 12:16 PM (EST) 33. "RE: Vote BoogerBoogerFartyButt ticket!" I will vote this ticket under the condition that you add weiner to the ticket. boogerboogerfartbuttweiner ticket. That is a 3rd party I promise to vote for.   Top

DSpunk 3270 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 03-15-04, 08:45 PM (EST) 47. "RE: Vote BoogerBoogerFartyButt ticket!" LAST EDITED ON 03-15-04 AT 08:46 PM (EST) Is this antidisestablishmentarianism, or just disestablishmentarianism? Sliced. 2 Corinthians 4: 7-15 And as a corollary question... why are the people who make up words not subject to the "no double negatives" guideline? And why did I just write that in the form of a double negative?   Top

weltek 16936 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 11:19 AM (EST) 23. "RE: Early Election Questions" I dislike Bush and Kerry at this point. If we don't have a good third party candidate, I may stick with a Bush vote. Bush screwed some diplomatic channels up by bucking the UN, but seems to be trying to repair the damage. I fear his pushing church and state issues together. Kerry is wishy-washy, too negative about ANY war, and only won the democratic nomination due to Dean's verbal screw-ups & media coverage. He's kind of like Gore to me - I think he'd crumble as President. The major issue I want solved is how to keep manufacturing jobs and such in American instead of heading overseas. I think this is at such a nexus of many other issues. It involves the environment, taxes, jobs, and foreign policy (trade). The candidate who can solve that best has my vote. I don't think Kerry nor Bush have a good answer. I don't know if anyone does have the perfect answer.   Top

ginger 22512 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 11:54 AM (EST) 29. "RE: Early Election Questions" I find it hard to be positive about any war, myself. Kerry. It is imperative to me to get rid of W. "Any government that would deny a gay man bridal registry is fascist." Margaret Cho   Top

samiam 5976 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 11:21 AM (EST) 24. "RE: Early Election Questions" I'm voting Gary Williams. For everything. Om mane padme Gary   Top

moonbaby 17120 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 08:03 PM (EST) 46. "Cool!" Greg Brady for President! With Marsha as his running mate he can't lose! Oh. Wait. You said Gary. Nevermind.   Top

Swami 5885 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 11:51 AM (EST) 27. "RE: Early Election Questions" is it a vote for John Kerry or a vote against George Bush? Both. I was kind of luke-warm on Kerry during much of the primary season. In the last week or so he seems to be getting more comfortable in his role and I like the way he hasn't backed down in the face of critism, and has resisted being "defined" by others (mostly Republicans). I do NOT like Bush. He has run up an enormous deficit with his economic/tax policies. I don't like his trying to open the constitution. He can't seem to seperate his religious views from his political agenda. I'm still mad about the Florida debacle & the Supremes. The economy is my big issue. The deficit is appalling, and more Bush will give us more deficit--I have little doubt of that. The "economy" that Bush is focussed on growing is the economy of the wealthy, not of me. The economic boons that result from out-sourcing jobs overseas have so little benefit for the American worker, but are a huge benefit to the major share-holders and executives (often, they are one and the same) of the big, multinational companies. Eventually, we will all live on WalMart wages & probably work there too, selling stuff made in China & Indonesia.   Top

nailbone 27263 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 12:14 PM (EST) 32. "RE: Early Election Questions" >Florida debacle & the Supremes. > > Hey, Diana Ross is only getting what she deserves! And Florence and Mary have nothing to do with any of this! And poor Florence is dead anyway! Cool new sig courtesy of Jslice o-   Top

Sagebrush Dan 10002 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 11:32 PM (EST) 50. "RE: Early Election Questions" > And poor Florence >is dead anyway! And it was all Diana's fault. According to Mary, Flo was the most talented of the three, and the most charismatic and funniest in concert. Would like to have seen that. How much further can we hijack this thread (can't say "hijack" without thinking of "Airplane.")   Top

AZ_Leo 3526 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 03-15-04, 06:56 PM (EST) 40. "Economy much better--for CEO's" This article appeared in the paper yesterday. (Bold mine) Value of CEO stock options increased 53% in 2003 Mark Jaffe Bloomberg News Mar. 14, 2004 12:00 AM Chief executive officers' pay was bolstered in 2003 by a rising stock market that lifted the value of their stock options 53 percent to a median of $8.3 million, says a study by compensation consultant Watson Wyatt Worldwide. The value of "in the money" options held by CEOs increased for the first time in three years as the Dow Jones industrial average rose 25 percent in 2003. The chief executives' cash bonuses last year jumped 13 percent to average more than $1 million, and base pay climbed 8.3 percent to an average $818,000, according to the review of 57 proxies. CEO pay has become an target of critics, including U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman William Donaldson, as it has grown seven times faster than the average worker's pay since 1982, according to a study by the Washington, D.C-based Institute for Policy Studies. The average chief executive makes 282 times the average worker, the institute said. "As the pay proxy season nears, CEO compensation levels and stock options will again take center stage," said Ira Kay, Watson Wyatt national director of compensation consulting. The Watson Wyatt study found that companies appear to be factoring in performance. At high-performing companies, chief executives' cash compensation rose 42 percent, while at companies in the bottom third CEO cash pay was down 7 percent. http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/0314ceopay14.html   Top

Bucky Katt 3146 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 03-15-04, 11:54 AM (EST) 28. "Early Canadian Election Answers" Well, it looks like Harper will win the Conservative nomination as opposed to Stronach and I think Harper is a bit of a dweeb. But, I will probably vote for him anyway just to keep Martin and his corrupt cronies honest. Since Martin is on the right wing of the Liberal party, I believe his policies are probably more in line with mine then Harper but since the Liberals will be coronated by Ontario anyway, I may as well vote to the right to keep Martin where he is as opposed to pandering to the Leyton/NDP supporters. "How 'bout a birdy? I got a little birdy right here."   Top

Coconut 10856 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 11:59 AM (EST) 30. "RE: Early Canadian Election Answers" I .heart. Bucky. Ya know, I can see your finger from Sidney.   Top

blacknwhitedog 6532 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 12:26 PM (EST) 35. "RE: Early Election Questions" I'll be voting for Bush. But he needs to spend less. And concentrate more on domestics issues. If there was a legitimate Libertarian candidate, I would go there.   Top

greenmonstah 10761 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 06:29 PM (EST) 36. "RE: Early Election Questions" I live in Massachusetts...We all know how that goes... I am a registered independent in a sea of moderate democrats and complete liberal whack jobs... Kerry's record is going to be a tough one for a lot to swallow. His record shows him to have voted to the left of Teddy Kennedy. As a registered independent I could not vote in the primary but I think Edwards would have been the smarter choice in the long run.   Top

ginger 22512 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 06:34 PM (EST) 37. "RE: Early Election Questions" Still think Edwards is contender for Veep. "Any government that would deny a gay man bridal registry is fascist." Margaret Cho   Top

greenmonstah 10761 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 06:45 PM (EST) 39. "RE: Early Election Questions" Hi Ginger! It will certainly help make the Kerry ticket appear more moderate...and it could even be a dynamic match. This may not be public knowledge, but Kerry and Edwards do not get along at all. The more interesting VP choice is Bush's. He has said he will move forward with Cheney but this leaves no real heir apparent in 2008. Not to mention the fact, a different choice would help secure the undecided vote. Most recent demographic study shows the majority of the undecided voters are the "soccer moms". Cheney is not super appealling in this demographic. (Before the Cheney as Bush's babysitter comments come in, I do really think that both Bush and Kerry need to really think about this key demographic)   Top

tig_ger 2098 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator" 03-15-04, 06:59 PM (EST) 41. "RE: Early Election Questions" LAST EDITED ON 03-15-04 AT 07:11 PM (EST) Still think Edwards is contender for Veep. It's possible. I don't think he's a bad choice, but Kerry has to think about the composition of the Senate. Already, Kerry is a Democratic senator in a state with a Republican governor. I honestly don't think he'll pick another senator as a running mate, but could be wrong. Edited for clarity to add that while Edwards is from North Carolina which currently has a Democratic governor, North Carolina also has a governor election this year. My prediction: Bill Richardson, NM Governor   Top

Spidey 6259 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 06:59 PM (EST) 42. "RE: Early Election Questions" I, too, would have preferred Edwards as the nominee. Since Jan. 2001, I knew my 2004 vote was NOT going to be for the incumbent. But Kerry is growing on me. And I totally respect the man for his war stance. And given MY right to criticize the war machine (which I do on a daily basis), I certainly don't fault Kerry, but otoh actually applaud him, for his distaste for war. I can way more respect that than I can the bloodlust of somone who has no idea what actually fighting in a war is like.   Top

tig_ger 2098 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator" 03-15-04, 06:45 PM (EST) 38. "RE: Early Election Questions" Is it inappropriate to say that I'm waiting to see what happens with Ashcroft's recovery before I make a final decision? Yes? OK, well, remember, I didn't *say* anything. Just a simple question. I am currently undecided. I am not a big fan of Bush. In my opinion, his administration has made the government bigger and more powerful than it needs to be, and he has spent too much money. In addition, the integrity of his administration leaves MUCH to be desired. OTOH, I'm not wild about Kerry's policies. If I vote the Democratic ticket, it will be a vote against the Bush Administration instead of for the Democrats. If I vote the Republican ticket, it will NOT be because I think "GWB is doing a decent job," I assure you. I didn't mind writing-in a deserving Republican candidate in the primaries, but I don't think I could throw away a vote in the actual election. We'll see. This just might be the year.   Top

Esbea 7377 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 07:02 PM (EST) 43. "RE: Early Election Questions" "If I vote the Republican ticket, it will NOT be because I think "GWB is doing a decent job," I assure you." That comment was for those *already* planning on voting for him. The louder he talked of his honour, the faster we counted our spoons.   Top

tig_ger 2098 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator" 03-15-04, 07:16 PM (EST) 44. "RE: Early Election Questions" Sorry, I knew what you meant, but I was thinking of the collective "you" in the "I assure you" comment. Didn't mean for it to come out the way it did. No offense...I hope. A Kyngsladye Original   Top

Esbea 7377 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-16-04, 01:21 PM (EST) 51. "RE: Early Election Questions" absolutely no offense taken. The louder he talked of his honour, the faster we counted our spoons.   Top

RudyRules 8360 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 09:17 PM (EST) 48. "RE: Early Election Questions" After we re-elect GWB, I hope he will get a better handle on government spending, strive to abolish several departments (starting with education and energy), and turn more responsibilities over to the states. Eventually I'd like to see federal taxes be minimal, realizing that state taxes will have to go up to compensate for their increased responsibilities. "I believe the States can best govern our home concerns, and the General Government our foreign ones." --Thomas Jefferson to William Johnson, 1823.   Top

Sagebrush Dan 10002 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-15-04, 11:28 PM (EST) 49. "RE: Early Election Questions" First choice: Edwards Second choice: Kerry. For me, a vote for Edwards would have been a vote FOR Edwards. A vote for Kerry is a vote AGAINST Bush. I swore I wouldn't get involved in any more political threads, and I've already done two tonight.   Top

pythonfan 3348 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 03-16-04, 01:44 PM (EST) 53. "RE: Early Election Questions" Avoiding the question, but I just voted. Only two contested races on my ballet - and a home rule question. I had fun filling in the ovals with the marker though. "The best way to keep children home is to make the home atmosphere pleasant -- and let the air out of the tires." Dorothy Parker   Top

Tiggertramp 3141 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 03-16-04, 02:21 PM (EST) 54. "RE: Early Election Questions" Can I move to Canada?   Top

AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 03-16-04, 09:55 PM (EST) 55. "Bush ... and why" OK, the fact that I'm going to vote for Bush doesn't come as a surprise. It probably also doesn't come as a surprise that I would have supported Lieberman if he had ever become a serious candidate, or that I voted for McCain over Bush in the 2000 primaries. So ... two things (one more than you asked for, Esbee!): 1) Why Bush over Kerry? Because I can't stand Kerry. Back in the days of VVAW, I was a big Kerry supporter. I liked Kerry's idea: have the veterans tell about how awful the war was. I still think it was key in mobilizing the widespread war opposition (and, if you want more testimony about what a FUBAR Vietnam was, read Michael Herr's Dispatches). Yet Kerry himself was a colossal poseur. I know this comes as old news to many of you, but the issue that forever defined Kerry's lack of character goes back to the VVAW. In April 1971, Kerry led a march of veterans to throw their medals onto the steps of the Capitol, symbolically rejecting the honor that they had earned in a war that they didn't believe in. He even spoke about how 'this administration forced us to return our medals.... These leaders denied us the integrity those symbols supposedly gave our lives.' (emphasis added) Kerry received a lot of press for throwing his medals back, too: http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/kerry_faq.html (see the third panel) Except ... he didn't throw his medals. He threw medals that a vet who couldn't make the trip had given him to throw as part of the protest. Meantime, he quietly kept his own medals, and when he became a U.S. senator, he put a display of the medals in his office. To me, this shows that Kerry doesn't actually have any convictions. If he believed in the idea of giving your medals back to the government strongly enough to lead a march advocating it, then Kerry should have thrown his own medals. He didn't. Instead, he wanted to straddle the issue. He wanted the fame and attention of leading the march, but he was cynical enough to hedge his bets, just in case he might want to show off those medals in the future ... as, indeed, he now does at every chance. I found this comment, from a Vietnam vet, expressed my own feelings about Kerry's actions: The first hint of a bit of disconnect in your style was when during your first Senate campaign you denied returning your war medals, with a thousand other veterans, in protest of the war during Dewey Canyon III. That was a bit of a shock, since for most veterans who returned their medals in that emotional ceremony on Friday, April 23, 1971, it was a very proud and healing moment. Your 1984 campaign response: You had returned the medals of a WWII acquaintance at his direction. All those 13 years everyone thought you had had the courage and leadership to return medals that to veterans who returned them represented medals of dishonor drenched in the blood of innocent Vietnamese who did not deserve to die for a lie, any more than our fellow US Americans. I guess you knew then that you were to be running for office. We see the same pattern of trying to have it both ways in all of Kerry's actions. Voting against Gulf War I, then voting for Gulf War II, then voting against funding the troops. Claiming to have voted for the Cuba sanctions before a Latino audience, when he actually voted against them. Constant flip-flops. In all, John Kerry believes in nothing except that John Kerry should be president. In that regard, he is more like George H.W. Bush than George W. Bush is! 2) What would I like to see Bush do in a second term? Well, although I really dislike Kerry and wouldn't vote for him as dog catcher, I don't think Bush has had a great first term. He has done some good things: the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq; the tax rate cuts; the prosecutions of the corporate crooks (note, BTW, that most of the theft began during Clinton II, but that doesn't let Bush off the hook for appointing Harvey Pitt as the first director of the SEC); and Karl Rove has generally pushed a pragmatic blend of Republicanism (even though many Democrats view him as the devil incarnate). Deficits are not a problem as long as investments in the U.S. remain attractive, BTW; bad economic times ALWAYS produce deficits, since many people suffer huge losses of income. As far as U.S. investments, I spend much of my day working with foreigners who want to invest their money in the U.S. But Bush has also pandered to the right on several issues, ranging from the appointment of Ashcroft as AG to his loopy proposed constitutional amendment against permitting any state to legalize gay marriage within its own borders. He's also pandered to others on individual issues (such as the steel tariffs, a pander to Pennsylvania and Ohio union workers). I personally am revolted by the idea of "homeland security," even though I fully comprehend the threat of al-Qaeda. And the intellectual lockstep imposed by the administration has led lower-level bureaucrats to suppress information that might be inconvenient to the stated policy, whether that information is a dissenting estimate of the cost of the proposed (since adopted) Medicare prescription drug benefit or the level of mercury emissions from California plants (and yeah, true information about WMDs probably fell victim to this as well, but at a level lower than Bush-Cheney-Rice). Make no mistakes, once Bush makes a policy decision, everyone else on his team makes sure that it's Administration policy. Yes, I know he's managed to keep the far right from running its own fringe candidate to split the 2004 vote (many Democrats have been actively encouraging a fringe right candidate, such as former Alabama Chief Justice Roy "10 Commandments" Moore). And yes, I know that Bush is never going to be the type of inspiring leader who can motivate with his words alone. Instead, he's more the CEO type -- in particular, the CEO who gets too close to his board of directors, kinda like Michael Eisner ... or the CEO who keeps his own people from possibly overshadowing him or sending a mixed message, kinda like Bill Belichick. Frankly, I'd REALLY like to see Bush break with the pattern in his second term. Bush has taken the lead on some items opposed by the right wing, such as immigration (BTW, have you noticed that a lot of the anti-immigration zealots have now moved to the LEFT wing? -- see the current battle in the Sierra Club for an example). Now we need to see more of that, and less of the zealots on the right. Oh, and I think Bush needs to work to implement a way of doing business, not just a series of expedient short-term actions. I personally think that the second term should be used to push more of a libertarian agenda in social areas (leaving out the loony anti-IRS thrust of the Libertarian Party), while retaining the economic policies advocated by Greg Mankiw, whom I think has done a GREAT job in trying conditions (9/11, the end of the Internet bubble, the massive corporate frauds, oil price shocks) to keep things from getting worse (the last such bubble bust lingered for around a decade, from 1971 to 1982). Yeah, I realize that this is a tepid endorsement of Bush. But that fits my feelings. Really, I'm voting more against Kerry than I am in favor of Bush. John Kerry ... to know him is to hate him. Soylent Green: recycling America, one person at a time.   Top

diamond 2307 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Seventeen Magazine Model" 03-16-04, 10:57 PM (EST) 56. "RE: Bush ... and why" John Kerry ... to know him is to hate him. AyaK, just curious as to why you are always so dismissive of those of us who hate Bush, when you seem to come to the conclusion regarding John Kerry. How is it that we are always labeled as irrational (that's what's implicit when you use the term "angry left"), and yet you are not? And yes, I am not ignoring the fact that you just articulated perfectly rational reasons why. Just because we might not have done the same thing doesn't mean we don't have just as long a list of such reasons, and yet it always seems you assume we don't. Seems a little unfair, is all I'm saying.   Top

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