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"Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?"
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"Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-30-04 AT 01:39 PM (EST)If Amber and Rob get to the final 4, I have trouble seeing any other logical result other than a 2-2 tie at the Final 4 TC. Everyone knows that Rob/Amber are tied at the waist (or some other place, but I digress). Whoever the other 2 members of the final 4 are (Rupert/Jenna, Tom/Jenna, or Rupert/Tom), they will know that it makes no sense to go to the final 3 with Rob/Amber. Rob would be the large favorite to win any final 3 endurance IC and if either Rob or Amber wins the final 3 IC, they would take the other one with them to the final 2. So, at the final 4, is when you have to take on Rob/Amber if you want to finish better than 3rd. Whoever the other 2 members are would need to stick together. That would force a 2-2 tie and eventually the reappearance of the purple rock
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04-30-04, 12:34 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?" |
You left out Jenna in all those permutations.Also, all of them seem to think they have a Final 3 with Rob/Amber, and have cast all logic aside to be fine with that outcome.
Cool new sig courtesy of Jslice o-
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04-30-04, 01:41 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?" |
>Also, all of them seem to
>think they have a Final
>3 with Rob/Amber, and have
>cast all logic aside to
>be fine with that outcome.
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For that to be true, they would all have to be happy with a third place finish. This is All-Stars and I don't think we have any Jan's in the remaining players
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esquire 1095 desperate attention whore postings
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04-30-04, 03:22 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?" |
I don't see that. I see people using Rob/Amber to get to the Final 2 themselves.
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3. "RE: Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-02-04 AT 07:45 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 04-30-04 AT 02:10 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 04-30-04 AT 02:05 PM (EST) Esquire, if there is a tie at final 4, one could assume that Romber would vote together, leaving the other 2, which would have to vote together as well choosing either Rob or Amber. Before the purple rock rears it's ugly head, a tie breaker is usually broken by how many previous votes the two in question have recieved at all prior tribal councils. With that in mind, I don't think Rob has recieved any votes against him yet....as he has won so many immunity challenges. Amber, I know has recieved 6 previous votes against her. Jenna has recieved 2 votes against her, and Rupert has received one vote against him. Tom has recieved no votes against him. So, the only way the purple rock will make an appearance again would be if Tom and Rob were the two who tie at F4. Personally, I don't see that happening! So, in essence, we can assume that the survivors are very well aware of the tie breaker rule. So, if Tommy goes at F5, which I think is likely, and that leaves Romber, Rupert and Jenna as the F4. If Amber wins immunity, then there is no way that whoever Romber targets can win. Rupert's and Jenna's only chance is that if Rob wins immunity, they could take out Amber with the tie breaker rule. I could see Rob giving away his immunity, however, to save Amber at this time. Then, whoever Romber targets will still end up with the boot. Rupert and Jenna's ONLY hope for both of them to advance to F3 is if one of them wins immunity, and then targets Amber. So, in essence, the only one who COULD take Rob out at F4 would indeed be Amber! Frankly, although it would be an awesome move on her part, I don't see it happening.
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04-30-04, 02:29 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?" |
I could be wrong, but my recollection of Survivor Marquesas was that they didn't use prior votes to break the tie. That was what was so shocking about it. Pasqual, Kathy, Neleh and Vee were given a few minutes to talk among themselves to break the tie and unless someone changed there vote, they would do the purple rock.Having said that, my memory is far from perfect. Please let me know if my memory is faulty and prior votes were mentioned as a tie breaker prior to the purple rock.
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04-30-04, 03:23 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?" |
Your memory isn't half bad esquire!The shocking thing about the purple rock incident was that Paschal was booted having never received a single vote against him during the show. I think Pappy has the distinction as the only Survivor ever to lose without ever having a vote cast against him. (I think only winners have gotten to the final 2 without receiving a vote) MEmacmur
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04-30-04, 08:33 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?" |
Mike Skupin from S2-the Outback also went without a vote.It's just a game.
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37. "RE: Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?" |
incorrect- A Tribal Council was held after Mike left and he was voted out 5-0. The TC was not broadcast because Burnett thought him leaving on the helicopter was a cooler ending. I think they did the same for Jenna and Sue this time around.
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04-30-04, 02:35 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?" |
I thought the purple rock was used w/o regard to previous votes cast. Pascal being the first person with his torch extinguished without having a vote against him.
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04-30-04, 02:37 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?" |
Great reasoning FP! The only thing I wanted to add is that if either Rob or Amber wins immunity when it is down to the final four (assuming the final four are J, R, R, and A), I could see Jenna siding with Romber to vote Rupert out. To save her own butt and to avoid a tie.This could be another reason he is such a mad mofo when he gets voted out. Because Jenna did not keep her word and votes against him. I could easily see her doing that and then taking her chances in the final three with Romber.
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04-30-04, 03:00 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?" |
bdemoney, totally agree, Jenna, being the brown noser that she is, could definately decide to vote with Romber and give ole Hagrid the boot!
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04-30-04, 03:14 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?" |
Wasn't Rupert awfully happy at the PI reunion. If he throws a fit because they vote him out, I would have expected him to be still somewhat upset at the reunion show. Rupert does seem like one that would hold a grudge. I maybe wrong, but something just doesn't fit with Jenna siding with Rob and Amber. If she did make it to the final 2, wouldn't it cost her Rupert's vote? We already know how Shi and Alicia feel about her and add in either Rob or Amber not voting for her and she would definitely lose.
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04-30-04, 03:28 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-30-04 AT 03:28 PM (EST)Just to play devil's advocate... But isn't it possible Rupert was happy at the PI reunion because it wasn't the A.$.$. reunion? Besides, knowing he just finished in the top 5 and won more money than he did in PI, he may have had reasons to smile. Not quite a million, but still a few... MEmacmur
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64. "RE: Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?" |
Maybe he was just liquored up. We all saw how happy he gets when he's had a few.
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10. "Immunity holder doesnt draw rock?" |
Frankly I tuned out of Marquesas before the now infamous purple rock incident, but was the immunity holder in that also subject to the rock draw?If not then assuming Romber has immunity even a resort to the purple rock leaves them with a 66.66% chance of "winning" the draw down to F3. I think the analysis if ties are first broken by previous votes done previously in this thread is right on in terms of an immunity win by Romber and considering Robfadda has no votes against him.
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04-30-04, 03:22 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?" |
I don't think so.Jenna will flip like John Kerry on the war in Iraq.  Yeah, It's a JSlice
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04-30-04, 03:25 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?" |
>
>Jenna will flip like John Kerry
>on the war in Iraq. I could be wrong, but I just don't see that happening. I think Jenna is playing to win. All flipping does is move her from 4th place to third place with little hope of doing better than 3rd place.
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04-30-04, 05:03 PM (EST)
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20. "The tie rule." |
LAST EDITED ON 05-01-04 AT 06:20 AM (EST)It seems to me that we have many differing opinions as to how a tie will be handled. I would like for this to be rectified. I will start from the beginning and hopefully after it is done, I will no loger have to hear about previous votes or TC trivia challenge ever again. S1:Rich vs. Sue
F4: Rich, Rudy, Sue and Kelly W. Kelly wins IC
Rich and Rudy vote Sue
Sue and Kelly vote Rich
JP gives them a moment (or two) to "rethink" their choice.
Rich and Rudy decide to stick with Sue as their boot.
Sue stays with Rich as hers.
Kelly changes her vote to Sue.
Bye Sue.
Although the issue of prior votes never came up, I tend to believe MB and JP would have resorted to prior votes to decide the outcome of a stalemated tie. _________________________________
S2: Jeff Varner vs. Colby Donaldson
Merge: Merged tribe (Barramundi) The tribes merged and it was Colby's idea to divert attention from the previous Ogakor vote receivers (Jerri and Keith). Keith wins IC
Kimmi K. divulges that Jeff V. has indeed gotten prior votes.
Nick, Jeff, Alicia, Roger and Liz vote for Colby
Colby, Jerri, Tina, Amber and Keith vote for Jeff
JP gives them a moment to rethink their choices.
The tribes vote the same way again, thereby invoking the "prior votes" clause.
Jeff does indeed have prior votes cast against him. Colby does not.
Bye Jeff. __________________________
S3: Lindsey vs. Carl
Samburu Carl, Frank, Teresa and Linda vote for Lindsey.
Lindsey, Kim P., Silas and Brandon vote for Carl.
At this point in the game none of the survivors (from Samburu) have received prior votes.
After JP gives the castaways a moment to rethink their choices they all choose to stay in a stalemate.
Now, because Samburu had never been to TC, there were no prior votes to judge upon.
So, JP then mentions that they will have a "tie-breaker trivia challenge".
Lindsey and Carl face off.
Lindsey wins.
Bye Carl
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S3: Lindsey vs. Big Tom
Switched Samburu Brandon tries to deflect attention from Lindsey, by suggesting that he may have prior votes.
Lindsey, Kim P. and Brandon strategize to stay as 3 strong in voting against Big Tom in hopes of having another Tie-breaking Trivia Challenge. Unfortunately, for Lindsey, the newly switched Borans discover that Lindsey has prior votes.
The prior votes rule is invoked leading to her demise. No Trivia challenge needed.
Lindsey, Brandon and Kim P. vote for Tom
Tom, Lex and Kelly G. vote for Lindsey.
Bye Lindsey. You will also notice that S3 was the last season that all prior votes were shown at TC.
Thereby making it impossible for those in the game to fully grasp the vote totals. And to make TC decisions based on such knowledge, moot. ____________________________
S4: Kathy vs. Neleh
F4: Kathy & Vee vote Neleh
Paschal & Neleh vote Kathy
This is where JP mentions that prior votes no longer count.
Leading to the now infamous Purple Rock.
Vee wins immunity.
Kathy brokers a last minute deal with Vee insuring the rock picking scenario.
ALL non-winners pick a rock from a bag.
Kathy Safe
Neleh safe
Bye Paschal
Had they stayed with prior votes, Kathy would have been booted. This "purple rock scenario" insured that future ties will be kept to a minimum because it endangers all players (aside from immunity winner).
Making it probable that someone, who feels safe, would not choose the "Rock" route. It looks like it worked, because in all subsequent seasons, no ties have taken place. S5:
No ties S6:
No Ties S7:
No ties S8:
IMO, no ties.
What I'm trying to get across is there will be no boot decisions based on prior votes.
We are also too far along for there to be a TC Trivia Challenge.
Also the purple rock route is too dangerous for most players to consider it as an option.
Since S5 all pre-TC strategies have come down to acquiring the "majority" of votes. No one wants to endanger themselves by incurring a tie-vote/stalemate, because the outcome may very well be the purple rock. My suggestion is to figure out ways the TC vote would come out without any ties at all. 
But you can call me tribe. S7ABCABP Winner
"I just had to get those guys comfortable riding the big banana. And they did." King Dicque(RIP)
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memacmur 359 desperate attention whore postings
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04-30-04, 05:40 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: The tie rule." |
The one common thread with all of seasons:There has always been a chance to 'reconsider' If Jenna is paranoid that Romber may betray her, she allows a tie, fully intending to switch to Rupert unless Amber unexpectedly betrays Rawb. Otherwise, Jenna goes with Romber and betrays Rupert in the first place. {sarcasm}
Of course, these possibilities are moot, when Big Tom wins the underwater trivia IC, the 'Invent a goofy dance' IC and the 'speak without an accent' challenge (narrowly defeating Rawb) to push himself into the final 2.
{/sarcasm} Yes it's Friday, and yes it's been a long week.
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30. "RE: The tie rule." |
>Of course, these possibilities are moot, when Big Tom wins the
>underwater trivia IC, the 'Invent a goofy dance' IC and >the 'speak without an accent' challenge (narrowly defeating >Rawb) to push himself into the final 2. Hehehehe... Thanks, I needed a good laugh.
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05-01-04, 12:25 PM (EST)
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33. "RE: The tie rule." |
Don't you mean that Tom "Shii Ann's" his way into the final 2?
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05-02-04, 01:47 AM (EST)
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45. "RE: The tie rule." |
woo-hoooo!
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25. "RE: The tie rule." |
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>S2: Jeff Varner vs. Colby Donaldson
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>Merge: Merged tribe (Barramundi)
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>The tribes merged and it was
>Colby's idea to divert attention
>from the previous Ogakor vote
>receivers (Jerri and Keith).
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>Keith wins IC
>Kimmi K. divulges that Jeff V.
>has indeed gotten prior votes.
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>Kimmi, Jeff, Alicia, Roger and Liz
>vote for Colby
>Colby, Jerri, Tina, Amber and Keith
>vote for Jeff
>JP gives them a moment to
>rethink their choices.
>The tribes vote the same way
>again, thereby invoking the "prior
>votes" clause.
>Jeff does indeed have prior votes
>cast against him. Colby does
>not.
>Bye Jeff. Did you even watch "The Australian Outback"? Kimmi wasn't close to make it to the merge. I think you forgot about a player named "Nick". I'm sorry, but with that, I'm not buying any of your bul s**t... Just my two cents.
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04-30-04, 09:49 PM (EST)
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26. "whoa wait a minute" |
Tribe's post provides ample evidence for his conclusion that a tie will not happen and to concentrate on how the F4 votes will go without a tie. So tribe made a mistake and wrote Kimmi instead of Nick. Kimmi was the one who told them about the vote against Jeff, so simple mistake. That doesnt make it Bs, change the tone and read the guidelines.
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04-30-04, 09:49 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: The tie rule." |
Tribe was right--Kimmi was indeed the one to divulge that Jeff had a prior vote, but she did so before she was booted. Nick was with the one who voted with the others, as you say. But it doesn't discount Tribe's excellent analysis; I suspect he just had a brainfart.And my memory is foggy, but wasn't there another tie in Outback, involving Bitchell and Keith?
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04-30-04, 10:32 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: The tie rule." |
Abso-tively! Except I've read your spoilers; your mind is working much better this season than mine. But thanks for the compliment.
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44. "RE: The tie rule." |
"You're correct, GM... when these two had a chance to plead their cases before the revote, Bitchell just about pleaded with the tribe to kick him out as he was toasted and could barely stand. There was still a tie after the revote, but I believe that Bitchell had one prior vote (from MadDog?) while KantKookKeith didn't have any, so the rest is history as Keith lasted until the final three."Pepe - Actually, Keith cast the vote against Mitchell during Mad Dog's ouster. He had originally decided to target Jerri, but reconsidered and thought he would have more success convincing others to target Mitchell, the weak link, if Ogakor ended up at Tribal Council once again. Keith may have been a DAW, a lousy cook, and an immunity challenge klutz, but he at least had that one shining moment.
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32. "Thank you" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-01-04 AT 06:36 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 05-01-04 AT 06:25 AM (EST) Thank you for calling me out. I have since changed the 1 name to make it all valid now.
However, it still does not change the FACT That Kimmi divulged Jeffs votes.
Do you remember who she told?
I do! It also does not change the fact that, I believe, that the TC will most likely never end in a Tie-Vote. Is it really that big of a deal to understand?
Bullshit my ASS!!!
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41. "RE: Thank you" |
Thanks Tribephyl for the refresher. By the way, who did Kimmi tell. I used to be able to remember these things. Samboohoo
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42. "RE: Thank you" |
>By the way, who did Kimmi
>tell. I used to
>be able to remember these
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>Tribephyl didn't Kimmi tell Tina while they were standing on the cliff waiting for the leap into the river?
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59. "RE: Thank you" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-03-04 AT 01:09 PM (EST)Yes, after Tina (in her most innocent sounding voice, I'm sure) asked Kimmi who Debb voted for. Jeff V even heard Kimmi spill the beans and was ready to wring her neck. 
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48. "RE: Thank you" |
Awwww, Tribephyl, you're so cute when you get angry!UDG <--hearts Tribey
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57. "Grrrrrrr...." |
How ya likin' me now?I try to stay way from the confrontations, or at least let the clown go there first. But I couldn't stand reading anymore goobledygook about Ties. Now, Ascots OTOH, I can talk about those for hours.
But you can call me tribe. S7ABCABP Winner
"I just had to get those guys comfortable riding the big banana. And they did." King Dicque(RIP)
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65. "S3 question..." |
...for tribephyl or anyone else who cares to answer --Unfortunately, for Lindsey, the newly switched Borans discover that Lindsey has prior votes. Just curious, how did they find out? (I ignored S3 entirely.)
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05-03-04, 05:23 PM (EST)
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66. "RE: S3 question..." |
>Unfortunately, for Lindsey, the newly switched
>Borans discover that Lindsey has
>prior votes.
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>Just curious, how did they find
>out? (I ignored S3
>entirely.) This was one of my favorite Survivor moments. MB did his first tribal switch. Lex, Tom and Kelly (a later victim of Lex's paranoia) switched tribes with Frank, Teresa and Silas. However no one actually acted like they were part of new tribes. At least the old members of the Boran tribe didn't. During a reward challenge, Kim (who was an original Boran tribe member who did not switch tribes and had found out from the guys that were switched to her tribe that Lindsay had votes against her) gave an L signal to Kelly. Kelly correctly interpeted this sign to mean that Lindsay had votes against her and that they should vote her out if they wanted to get one of the guys that were not an original Boran. Lex, Tom and Kelly did excactly that. The vote was 3-3 (with 3 votes against Tom) and Lindsay was gone due to the tiebreaker
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05-04-04, 05:21 PM (EST)
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80. "RE: S3 question..." |
Along with what esquire said...Kim J. did use the challenge as an opportunity to help out her fellow tribemates by giving the "L" sign.
Kim J. thought they could figure it out.
Truthfully, Lex, Kelly and Tom had a hard time deciphering the clue. However a little later on... Kelly G. overhears a conversation between Brandon, Lindsey and Kim P.
Brandon is trying to convince the two girls to not worry so much, that he is pretty sure that the other three really believe that it is Brandon that has recieved prior votes. Not Lindsey.
Kelly then puts 2 and 2 together and realizes that Brandon is covering for Lindsey.
All of a sudden, the signal Kim J. made makes more sense.
But you can call me tribe. S7ABCABP Winner
"I just had to get those guys comfortable riding the big banana. And they did." King Dicque(RIP)
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40. "RE: The tie rule." |
Thanks Tribe! "YOU ROCK".....ha!
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34. "RE: Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-03-04 AT 10:37 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 05-01-04 AT 12:49 PM (EST) Rupert and Tom Dislike Jenna too much and Jenna and Amber are a little too buddy buddy for anything resembling a tie to happen. I wouldn't be surpised if the other two voted against each other. 
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35. "RE: Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?" |
Here is my prediction for the remainder of the show and my argument as to why we will not see a purple rock.There is some un-publicized agreement between Romber and Jenna for the Final 3. Jenna's job is to keep Rupert around, but he is there only to be expendable. Romber and jenna have made an agreement that when it comes down to them in the Final 4, vote off Rupert to avoid a tie and then it is every man for himself. I believe this has been kept secret and will be revealed through editing in the season finale. We did get a glimpse of this to come though, in the recap when Jenna was sleeping with Rob and Amber. So, Tom goes, then Rupert who obviously gets very mad at Rob for some reason. Jenna wins Final IC, takes Rob (heeding ShiiAnn's) warning about Amber, but Rob wins because noone likes Jenna.
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36. "RE: Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?" |
>There is some un-publicized agreement between
>Romber and Jenna for the
>Final 3. Jenna's job
>is to keep Rupert around,
>but he is there only
>to be expendable. Romber
>and jenna have made an
>agreement that when it comes
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>then it is every man
>for himself. I believe
>this has been kept secret
>and will be revealed through
>editing in the season finale.
I was just relistening to some of Alicia's radio interviews. She was asked about why she didn't talk to Rupert about trying to boot Romber. She said she had talked to Tom when Shii Ann was still around. But Alicia said that Jenna was close to Romber from before the show. Romber & Jenna already were great friends. Alicia said she did not dare approach Rupert because she knew he would confide in Jenna and then Jenna would run and tell Romber. The 3 of them were that close. Alicia didn't want Romber to know if she was going to turn and Jenna would have warned them. And she said she just didn't have the numbers.
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38. "RE: Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?" |
That makes Alicia really stupid IMO, if she say's she didn't have the numbers.. all she needed was Rupert, Tom, and Shii Ann, so even if Rupert did tell Jenna, those four would have become the power players... but no one would take leadership. Ah well, it's done.There really is no hope at this point, I agree with an earlier post that Jenna is inextricably tied in with Rob and Amber- nothing will stop that except if at final 4 none of the 3 of them win immunity. I do think that Rupert is going next since he would be more capable of winning IC and is not as easy-going as Tom. That handles both the head and the emotional sides of things. They won't care about Rupert's provider role in the end, we already know that from Rob.
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47. "RE: Are we about to see a reappearance of the purple rock?" |
I've been thinking a lot about this 'unpublicized agreement between Romber and Jenna". I gotta say it makes sense. Jenna has always been close to them, and is around their same age. The other night's episode highlighted the crack in their alliance. Rupert's good to keep around for food. But Rob says mean things about him and not Jenna... Jenna serves as the liaison between Romber and Rupert... Also, I think that Jenna knows that the final immunity usually favors women, and that she thinks she can beat Amber, so she'll totally sell out Rupert to get to that final 3 position.
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05-03-04, 01:21 PM (EST)
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60. "Where is this coming from?" |
Rupert who obviously gets very mad at Rob for some reason.I've seen references to this in a couple of posts today. The only thing I've seen is "Kristin"'s info that Rupert would leave the game an "angry mofo." But she didn't say who his anger would be directed at. And who knows if she is even correct since she's been unreliable on numerous other occasions.
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63. "RE: Where is this coming from?" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-03-04 AT 05:29 PM (EST)IIRC, either Chill or Sleek said something about Rupert leaving angry as well. ETA: Quote from the original Sleek garbage, Rupert- Tie here- GREAT episode- Amber and Rob vote Rupert, Tom and Rupert vote Rob M (while i cannot tell you for sure, it is obvious through confessionals) Rob M makes deal with Tom at tribal council to change vote and take to final 2- Tom takes deal- just like in PI Rupert actually was pretty cool during this, but just like in Pi his bad moments are not shown Not exactly it. UDG
'Cause both those sources are so much more accurate than Kristin.
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43. "Tom's power position" |
I thought Shi Ann said there were 2 power couples at the last TC. (Correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't tape it).If Shi Ann is correct, (and it's possible she's not - Jenna may be in Rob's camp) then I think we can agree that the power couples are clearly Amber-Rob, and Jenna-Rupert. If this is the case, It makes no sense for Tom to go next. Tom is in the power position and can align with either A/R or J/R. Either power couple should readily align with Tom (offering him the final 3 position) to break up the other power couple. The only way Tom goes home this week is if he refuses to join one of the power couples, so both turn on him, and I can't see that being the case. I don't know who goes next, but I don't believe it's Tom. Regarding the tie breaker this time. I'm Sure when Shi Ann was trying to get an alliance together to save herself, someone (I think Tom), said just getting him and Rupert to vote with her against Jenna wasn't enough. That would just be a tie and then you've got the rock. Maybe Tom was just guessing that the rock would be the tie breaker, but I think it tells us that the players have already been told the purple rock will break the ties.
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05-02-04, 10:41 AM (EST)
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51. "RE: Tom's power position" |
Normally you would think Tom would have the light bulb go off. He'd realize he is the swing vote and he can pick and choose who goes next by siding with one couple or the other. But... Tom thinks he has an alliance with Rob. In his mind he probably just thinks that Shii Ann is confused because she sees Rob and Amber hugging all the time so she thinks that is Rob's alliance. But Tom figures that he is Rob's real F2 alliance partner and Amber is just for entertainment. Tom probably just thinks he has hid his alliance with Rob well. So I don't see Tom wanting to jump with Rupert and Jenna to boot Rob. But ever since talking to Lex Rob has started to doubt Tom's loyalty. Tom is in more trouble than he realizes. And if Rupert wins immunity we know who Rob wants to boot. TOM!
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55. "RE: Tom's power position" |
<puts finger on nose>Points to Loree. Bingo!
 
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05-03-04, 01:26 PM (EST)
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61. "RE: Tom's power position" |
but I think it tells us that the players have already been told the purple rock will break the ties.I don't believe they've been told anything about how ties will be broken. We know they all worry about the purple rock scenario from S5 when Ghandia mentioned it to Helen.
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46. "Snewser's game - tie at F5 too?!?!" |
Since were on the topic about ties, I'll throw this out there...For this weeks game, there are these three questions: Who will Jenna first vote against?
Who will Rupert first vote against?
Who will Tom first vote against? Now this could very well mean squat, but for some reason, I don't think this is just Snewser trying to pull our collective legs... but maybe he is. I dunno.
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49. "RE: Snewser's game - tie at F5 too?!?!" |
tie at f5 ??? uhmm
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05-02-04, 12:20 PM (EST)
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52. "RE: Snewser's game - tie at F5 too?!?!" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-02-04 AT 12:35 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 05-02-04 AT 12:26 PM (EST) I imagine (if this happens) that Jenna must be at first not voting for Rupert with Amber and Rob, Jenna must vote for Tom. Rupert and Tom must vote for Rob, thinking that Jenna will join them, producing a 2-2-1 vote. Then what happens, everybody except Rupert changes their vote to Rupert (Baaa) or maybe Rupert then votes for Jenna, realizing the betrayal. ETA: also possible the second vote could have Jenna still not voting for Rupert, knowing that Tom will change his vote. Also, this means that either Jenna or Amber has immunity, a stretch, I know.
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05-02-04, 02:25 PM (EST)
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53. "RE: Snewser's game - tie at F5 too?!?!" |
Where is this info that Snewser says tie at 5?
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05-02-04, 05:43 PM (EST)
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54. "RE: Snewser's game - tie at F5 too?!?!" |
These questions were part of the "You Bet Your A$$" game that Snewser runs on his site.
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05-03-04, 01:50 PM (EST)
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62. "RE: Snewser's game - tie at F5 too?!?!" |
IMHO- IF this scenario actually does take place, then I think Tom would vote for Jenna. Of the people left, he likes her the least and I think at this point, if he's the swing vote, he would vote based on likeability (even though he should vote based on who is a threat to him, and that's everyone except Jenna!)
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05-03-04, 06:45 PM (EST)
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68. "RE: Snewser's game - tie at F5 too?!?!" |
I was just coming here to ask the same question - the way Snewser's questions are worded this week ("Who does Jenna FIRST vote for?") made me wonder if there is a 2-2-1 tie. But I can't believe at this stage of the game someone (um, I guess that would be Tom?) would be on the outside of both "couples" (Rupert/Jenna and Rob/Amber). Bewildered, Lizzmac
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05-04-04, 02:35 AM (EST)
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74. "RE: Snewser's game - tie at F5 too?!?!" |
Just to be clear, I really, really, really don't think there'd be any type of tie at F5, but playing devil's advocate, the only way I could see something like this going down is if the person who wins immunity gives it away unexpectedly and a voting alliance gets its wires crossed in redistributing its vote.I would love to see Rupert win II and give it to Tom in exchange for helping to vote out Romber. Orchestrating the Romber boot would pretty much guarantee Rupert the Lex/Kathy/Shii Ann vote if he made it to the F2, and I suspect even Alicia would respect that and vote for Rupert over her sleeping partner Tom in a T/R F2. UDG
Alas, it is not to be, and I suspect that we're looking at a Romber win. Then again, I thought Darrah (ugh) would win last season, too.
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69. "Orangeea post" |
Posted by Orangeena at Sucks tonite about the possible appearance of the PURPLE rockThe Return of the Rock and the possible F4 eviction of Rupert by said would qualify as a surprise to the general viewing public, wouldn't it? IF it happened? She's been right on all season. I would hate this poor Rupert. The purple rock gets the nicest ones.... But wouldnt you think Jenna would cave on a re-vote, unless she doesnt have to worry about picking a rock because he has the IN. But then why wouldnt Amber take out Rob, if she would take him out at F3 why not F4?
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70. "RE: Orangeea post" |
But then why wouldn't Amber take out Rob, if she would take him out at F3, why not F4?...now you're catching on, e!! Because Amber will never take him out, not at F4 and not at F3!
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71. "RE: Orangeea post" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-03-04 AT 10:14 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 05-03-04 AT 10:13 PM (EST) Ok OK FP, you may be right. I would like to see a Romber final just to see the Jury votes. Its 4-3 either way But I'm still holding out for a possible Jenna win over Rob...(I know I'm getting 3rd degree burns from all the flames  ) Alicia said in an interview last Weds. before Ep. 13 on Boston Radio (see Sucks thread) that she would only vote for Rob if he went up against Shii Ann. http://p085.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm2.showMessage?topicID=17736.topic Unless she does not care (I think she is Varner's source), her statement probably means that Rob does not make the F2 because she knew Shii was gone. But she votes for Jenna if its Jenna/Rob F2 So: Lex, Kathy, Alicia, Rupert for Jenna
Amber, Tom, Shii for Rob But that does not fit in with her "I couldn't be happier about my vote" quote in another radio interview that seems to support that Alicia voted for Amber in F2 http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/5133.shtml#20 emydi
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05-03-04, 10:44 PM (EST)
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72. "RE: Orangeea post" |
>
>Unless she does not care (I
>think she is Varner's source),
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>Rob does not make the
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>was gone. But she
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But Jeff Varner had Romber in the final 2. So if Alicia is his source....
I don't think Amber will dump Rob. She talks in confessionals about "our" plan, not "my" plan. And she asked Jenna if "they"(Romber) could trust her & Rupert not to try and take "them" out. She talks like her and Rob have a plan for final 2. So if she is planning to knock Rob out at F3 I would be very shocked. How could she be sure she could beat the other F2 person. Wouldn't it be better if she can't win to have Rob win than Jenna or someone else? Knocking Rob out and maybe still not winning seems like too big a risk.
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73. "RE: Orangeena post" |
For me, a return of the Purple Rock does not compute. Surely it is well known by the production that this was one of the least popular things they've ever done, and one of the most facile means by which to eliminate a competitor who had managed to get so far in the game.Having said that, though, it's just about the only thing I can imagine causing Rupert to leave the game an angry mofo. If he gets to final 4, then he can't realistically be angry at the other three players for booting him, because they DID agree it would be every man for himself if/when they got to final 4. However, it would not be unreasonable to be angry about falling out of the game by way of the Purple Rock. Really, though, it would be such an ill-advised feature in All-Stars. If there's a tie, I fervently hope they've come up with a better way of resolving it -- an additional challenge, perhaps, where a second immunity is given out in order to shake up the vote. Anything to give the viewer greater satisfaction and a greater sense of accomplishment by the players than a simple percentage chance of blindly grabbing the right rock. I know the egalitarianism of it is supposed to steer the untargeted players toward changing their vote in order to avoid participation in the rock-draw, but it's just not good enough in the championship series, in my view.
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05-04-04, 04:53 AM (EST)
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75. "RE: Orangeena post" |
I know!I can't believe it myself
but, it looks like it might turn out to be ... a possible, purple rock / "ehfffor sitchy-a-shun". That would indeed be a good reason for the Undefatiguable Poopert to be one mad mofo.
The only reason Paschal didn't complain about it was because he realized he was completely spent.
A mercy purple rock, if you will. However Rupert still feels the need to "bring it home for his girls".
There's no doubt that this guy would stay as long as he could to "bring home the bacon".
Which gives more creedence to Rupert's "Well maybe the third times a charm" comment.
He gets voted out by some strange twist of ASS CRAP and gets his (and his girls') dreams completely snuffed. I wished better for him, but than again, F4 is a good place to be. IMO I also wished better of the ASS
All-Stars my Leaf!!!!
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76. "More Orangeena posts" |
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I have posted so many answers and they are not getting through. It does look like IF Rupert went at four, however, and he would be VERY angry, rock or no rock. He holds grudges. He would feel Jenna betrays him. The hidden alliance here very well may be the longstanding friendship before the show of Jenna/Amber. They have been very good friends for a long time. Jenna is still the only one from S1 that COLLEEN talks to. Jenna must have her good points to interest someone like Ethan for such a long time. I just think we aren't being shown them. ********************************************** Orangeena
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The Upgrade has 86ed more than half my correspondance. I HOPE to have something to post for the Final Four. IF the Saucers continue to land. Patience. Patience. They may never come again....I hope not, but... However, perhaps we can content ourselves, with me repeating for the 1,000 time that on or before Jan. 7, BEFORE I saw Snews' first scorecard, I received my first spoiling post from someone who heard it backstage at the Finale. So shocking was the list of these four people to me that I thought it was a joke. So you can call it "Unconfirmed Rumor Heard Backstage at the Finale", which is what Dave! at VO calls it ==== THAT====
The Final Four were Rupert(4), Amber(3) and Jenna and Rob the F2. I didn't believe it, as I said, I thought it was a joke, then Snews, when I checked his first Scorecard had these same four unlikely people in the same four positions. Now, as we approach the end game, there they all are STILL THERE and very likely, they could go this way. THEN the Saucers starting landing and I learned the importance of multiple confirmations. But I guess I'll just have to call it what Dave! calls it "Unconfirmed Backstage Rumor" - But what a rumor to have landed in one's lap BEFORE the show even aired.... And personally, I always FELT that Jenna would win against Rob, especially since Rob has become the arch villain and Jenna is a MOM. AND the majority of the jury being women. I get the sense that Kathy and Alicia, arch-feminists both and GOOD FOR THEM are happy with the way things played out at the end. That says to me a woman wins. And now we have the Romber storyline being done to death to contend with and Jenna's negative editing. But hey, guys,they are allllll still there. And this was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY before Chill One had his very similar list, which switches Jenna and Amber. So the question is witch witch is which? Is this Finale going to be suspenseful after all? And now Snews has Jenna/Amber as the F2. But then last season he had Lil/Darrah til the last absolut minute...and of COURSE I fell for that one....
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77. "RE: More Orangeena posts" |
Thanks BR, i love Orangeena's posts this time around (and I was fooled by the Darrah "win" too)So.... maybe Jenna does win and I will be vindicated  When I was surfing around last nite, I was over at Snews trying to find any more hints and I clicked on finale http://www.survivornews.net/news.php?id=702 Start Spreadin the News
SNN has learned from a source close to CBS that the Survivor All-Stars finale will air live from New York's Madison Square Garden. The expected date is Sunday, May 9. The decision was supposedly made very recently, so info is still sketchy. More later as we find out...
SNN
Thursday, February 19, 2004 Now I know that the finale of S6 was on Mother's Day (right?) Jenna won and Mom was sick... Now this year in S8. Did they decide to do it again on Mom's day because of Jenna winning for her two little girls? I still can't get those two cuties from Jenna's video out of my mind--I want her to win for them and I dont care how annoying she is. My second choice is Rupert for his two gals-but it's not to be(rock or no rock)
I remember way back on Saboga when Jenna was campaigning to get out Ethan and Tina as past winners and how they didnt need the $$-I liked that strategy and I started to like Jenna then. Then she went underground at Chapera until a few weeks ago when she becomes really annoying-but so has everyone else in their own way.
Tom-dumbass
Rupert-to provide (cleaned fish)or not to provide that is the ?, also may too trusting
Rob-well, he's been annoying since the beginning
Amber-the cutesy crap is getting old--the "Who Me?" look on her face when Shii Ann's vote was read. I say to Jenna--take her out at F3 and thank Shii Ann. The "arch feminist" comment by Orangeena makes me wonder if Alicia is really "happy" about her vote for Jenna (not Amber)
And personally, I always FELT that Jenna would win against Rob, especially since Rob has become the arch villain and Jenna is a MOM. AND the majority of the jury being women. I get the sense that Kathy and Alicia, arch-feminists both and GOOD FOR THEM are happy with the way things played out at the end. That says to me a woman wins. Alicia and Rupert are who I think will be the swing votes in a Jenna/Rob F2. I'm leaning now that think they both would vote for Jenna. (Tom Amber Shii for Rob and Lex, Kathy, Alicia and Rupert for Jenna)
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79. "RE: More Orangeena posts" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-04-04 AT 02:13 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 05-04-04 AT 02:11 PM (EST) So....maybe Jenna does win and I will be vindicated Okay, emydi! You sure would be....IFJenna wins! Call me skeptical, to say the least. I'm definately not sold that Kathy and Alicia would vote for Jenna. Kathy, did not want her to win, and Jenna really rubbed Alicia the wrong way! Alicia did not respect the coat tail riders, and she knew that if she discussed something with Rupert, it would get back to Rob, via Jenna. Jenna, after leaving Saboga, has been a serious coat tail rider. Firstly, with Rupert, and I think that was solely by default, as Rupert was the only one from her original tribe that landed on Chappy with her. Then, secondly, with Romber. Also Alicia felt far superior to Jenna as a physical contributor to winning all of those challenges...Jenna just was able to advance, because of all of their hard work. And if Rupert gets out, and indeed Jenna is the one that betrays him, IMO, he will never vote for her over Rob. Rob, IMO, has been straightforward with Rupert. Their alliance together was to get to the final four....Rob, Amber, Rupert, and Jenna. Then from there Rupert depends on his challenge prowess to make it to F2...that seems to be his plan. If Rupert indeed makes it to F4, his alliance with Rob is fulfilled. If he had an alliance to F2 with Jenna, and he only makes it to F4, who is he gonna hold it against? My point being, Rupert thinks she's a pain in the A$$ and wishes he NEVERhad an alliance with her, and Rob keeps his bargain with him, to get to the F4, I'm thinking his vote will be for Rob to win. Of course, we will eventually see who the angry MOFO is really angry at. Another thing that I have a hard time swallowing is the fact that ALLof the jury members have all so blatantly come out against Rob. Would it be any surprise at all to John Q. Public that Rob will not win then in the F2? NO, no surprise there at all. I think all the jury badmouthing Rob seems even "coached", to provide misdirection, which we know MB just loves. What a surprise it would be, if after all the badmouthing from each and every jury member, that Rob indeed wins the $$$$$ and the girl! As for Lex, the sore loser, he's said that he would vote for the one that played the game, over the coat tail rider. And, in his opinion, the only 2 out there really playing the game were him and Rob. We know, if Amber is on the jury that she will vote for Rob, leaving Shii-Ann. She hates Jenna, Shii will definately vote for Rob....saying "if you make it to the finals with your strategy, it will be a miracle"...so if he miracuously does indeed make it, I think her vote will go for Rob. Tom, IMO, would also vote for Rob....yet, if his demise is at the hands of Rob, I could concede him to vote for Jenna. This pretty much sums up my skepticism. Color me SURPRISED if Jenna wins the prize! ETA: I also wanted to note that it is Orangeena's opinion that she/he always thought Jenna could beat Rob...in other words, she/he does not KNOW this. Albeit, she/he has had some awesome saucers/sources this season, but it still sounds as though he/she has info up till the F4, then it is only her/his opinion, on who actually wins.....it is my opinion that she does not!...LOL, FWIW!.....wow, gonna go up against the spoiler winner of the season....maybe I am wrong
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