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J Slice 13166 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-01-04, 08:55 PM (EST) "Discussion about 12/1 episode." Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Filler Whoa. Ethan too? ::scared as all hell about next episodes::   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode. zombiebaby 12-01-04 1    RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode. 1derfool 12-01-04 2        RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode. J Slice 12-01-04 3        Ethan did it Canada Girl 12-02-04 8    answer shakes the clown 12-02-04 9        Good catch zombiebaby 12-02-04 28            RE: Good catch amea_gari 12-13-04 34  RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode. munson 12-01-04 4    RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode. volsfan 12-01-04 5    no PhoenixMons 12-02-04 10        RE: no amea_gari 12-13-04 35  RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode. WackeeChik 12-02-04 6    Ack! Canada Girl 12-02-04 11        RE: Ack! Swami 12-02-04 12            Before you condem us Canadians... northernlights 12-02-04 19        RE: Ack! WackeeChik 12-03-04 31    RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode. blacknwhitedog 12-02-04 14  RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode. PhoenixMons 12-02-04 7    RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode. Drive My Car 12-02-04 13    RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode. Roo 12-02-04 16  Next episode preview blacknwhitedog 12-02-04 15    RE: Next episode preview RangeRover 12-02-04 17        RE: Next episode preview amea_gari 12-13-04 36    Flashbacks FesterFan1 12-02-04 18        RE: Flashbacks TechNoir 12-02-04 24            RE: Flashbacks Canada Girl 12-02-04 25                This is me and dh PhoenixMons 12-03-04 30                    RE: This is me and dh amea_gari 12-13-04 37  RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode. joannie 12-02-04 20  RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode. jkokoj 12-02-04 21    RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode. blacknwhitedog 12-02-04 22        Interesting PhoenixMons 12-02-04 23            RE: Interesting zombiebaby 12-02-04 26            I thought it was obvious shakes the clown 12-02-04 27                Agreed jkokoj 12-03-04 29                    RE: Agreed MissMyth 12-08-04 32                        RE: Agreed motormouth 12-09-04 33

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zombiebaby 7356 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-01-04, 09:06 PM (EST) 1. "RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode." Excellent episode! I can't even begin to guess what is up with Ethan. Those sneaky Canadians! So now the other question is what is up with Claire's baby? Is this baby suspectable to evil? Where would that come from? Will the baby's father somehow have more of a backstory as well? Or was the psychic somehow "told" by the "others" on the island they need a baby and to send one on the next shipment and that was just a way for him to scare her onto the plane? What was up with Locke's creepy look when Sayid came back? Theories people! I need theories! Holiday Gift from Surveysez Bounce courtesy of IceCat   Top

1derfool 185 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 12-01-04, 10:16 PM (EST) 2. "RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode." It would almost be too easy to say Ethan kidnapped them. Too obvious for the way this show has been going. I wouldn't be surprised if the find Ethan lying in the jungle, maybe knocked over the head with something falling from a tree, a branch or who knows what, or even punched out by someone. It's just too 'plain out in the open' to fit with the writing so far. .... but then again, this would be a good time for the writers to fool us with a completely obvious clue, just to keep us confused in future episodes   Top

J Slice 13166 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-01-04, 10:23 PM (EST) 3. "RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode." Jack's seen fighting with (what looks to be Ethan) in the preview, to get the two of them back. Ethan's clearly not good.   Top

Canada Girl 3340 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 12-02-04, 00:52 AM (EST) 8. "Ethan did it" He said to Jack in the preview "If you don't stop following me, I'll kill one of them" Keep your eye on the ball!   Top

shakes the clown 3366 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 12-02-04, 00:53 AM (EST) 9. "answer" >What was up with Locke's creepy >look when Sayid came back? ....Locke is still in the dark about the whole French woman thing. Remember, the ones who heard the distress signal decided to not tell the others. Locke has been a little suspicious since a few episodes ago when someone (forgot the details of the scene) inadvertantly said something about frenchie and Locke caught it. So Locke definitely knows that they are hiding something, he's just not sure what it is. So don't take the simple fact that I think Shakes is godlike to mean that I think he isn't an ass. -Samiam 10/12/04   Top

zombiebaby 7356 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-02-04, 06:45 PM (EST) 28. "Good catch" You are exactly right! I forgot that very few people know about the transmission. I think when Sayid came back he was gasping that it was the woman who sent the transmission and that is why Lock looked suspicious. Not creepy! It is amazing how this show really is straight forward but it is my own imagination that fills in other things and sees what it wants to see! Holiday Gift from Surveysez Bounce courtesy of IceCat   Top

amea_gari 585 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 12-13-04, 00:03 AM (EST) 34. "RE: Good catch" "It is amazing how this show really is straight forward but it is my own imagination that fills in other things and sees what it wants to see!" Heh, to be honest, I think that is what everyone is doing. I tend to see it as very straightforward. People say things like, "With this show, you never know but that Locke might be an alien from space!" (exageration) but within its own context, I think everything is very simple. They're not really using that kind of twisted trickery on the show, in my opinion. A J Slice siggy   Top

munson 1314 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 12-01-04, 10:44 PM (EST) 4. "RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode." So, is "Ethan" the mysterious Alex?   Top

volsfan 19846 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-01-04, 10:58 PM (EST) 5. "RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode." Or is Ethan the "it" that has killed others on the island that was stranded with the French lady?   Top

PhoenixMons 4696 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Stuff Magazine Centerfold" 12-02-04, 00:53 AM (EST) 10. "no" Aside from the fact that he's way too old, it's just too simple an explanation for my liking. I think that's the conclusion that we're supposed to draw. Alex is probably not a person at all anyway.   Top

amea_gari 585 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 12-13-04, 00:08 AM (EST) 35. "RE: no" Is Ethan really too old? I don't think there was ever any indication that "Alex" was born on the island. He could have been any reasonably young age when they were stranded, no? The French woman doesn't look too old, but I -can- imagine she is old enough to be Ethan's mother. That said, I don't think it's likely. Still, I'm not a terribly great judge of age, but I'd guess Ethan was anywhere from 24-30? that would make him at least 8 when they were stranded. Depending on the type of expedition it was, a woman could have brought her child. A J Slice siggy   Top

WackeeChik 51 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 12-02-04, 00:35 AM (EST) 6. "RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode." Holy Cats! My tivo taped The Apprentice instead of LOST!! Ugh! What's the "Whoa"? Who's Ethan? Any details would be greatly appreciated! Loving you all! Christina   Top

Canada Girl 3340 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 12-02-04, 01:00 AM (EST) 11. "Ack!" You must be pissed! I'm sure you'll be able to find out everything from summary soon but here's a small one from this episode: Claire has nightmares, remembers breaking up with father on her child, almost giving kid up for adoption. A psychic tells her SHE has to raise the baby or horrible things will happen. Tells her to go to LA to give to a couple there, but she realizes now was just a ploy to get her onto the flight of crashed plane. She thinks she's been attacked in the night, Charlie taking care of her, Jack doesn't believe her. Hurley takes "census" of all survivors. Charlie and Hurley meet Ethan Rom from Ontario. Claire decides to go live on beach as she doesn't feel safe at caves. Charlie goes after her. She has some labour pains. Charlie sends Ethan to get Jack. Sayid returns to caves. Tells everyone he found the french woman and "we are NOT ALONE". Hurley comes running in, tells Jack that Ethan WAS NOT ON THE PLANE! Claire and Charlie head back to caves. Ethan appears, looking psychotic and evil, blocking their path. End. Really creepy, scary episode. Keep your eye on the ball!   Top

Swami 5885 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-02-04, 09:17 AM (EST) 12. "RE: Ack!" Those darn Canadians!!! I missed the final few seconds of the show because my DISH was a minute ahead again and stopped recording before Ethan did his "menace Claire & Charlie" thing. *waves to Loree* I hate that! Swami   Top

northernlights 5058 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-02-04, 12:05 PM (EST) 19. "Before you condem us Canadians..." ...you might want to consider that he could be from Ontario, California. Everyone's so quick to Blame Canada.   Top

WackeeChik 51 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 12-03-04, 11:29 PM (EST) 31. "RE: Ack!" Thanks for the update! Still annoyed that I missed the episode, Christina   Top

blacknwhitedog 6532 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-02-04, 09:39 AM (EST) 14. "RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode." Summary of this episode from ABC is here http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/2004-05/10.html   Top

PhoenixMons 4696 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Stuff Magazine Centerfold" 12-02-04, 00:51 AM (EST) 7. "RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode." Awesome episode. I really like the way things are going - so many possibilities! Locke is freaking me out - though I always thought he was creepy. And I just knew Ethan was gonna be a bad guy. There are a TON of cool theories floating around out there...there's a site called The Fuselage which is sponsored by JJ Abrams - one of the interesting theories floating around out there is *SPOILERS BELOW* * * * * * * * * * * * * taken from the message board at fuselage... Ethan Rom = Ethan Frome - F E (French Experiment) Seriously, though, you can rearrange "Ethan Rom" to spell "Other Man." He is one of the "Others," and he was on a mission to get Claire and her baby. The Others will be the dark side that will battle and try to convert the light side, which are the 46 (for the time being) survivors, much like what was happening in Stephen King's "The Stand" (which the creators said was somewhat of an influence). They seem to win an important early battle next week by abducting Claire and her "special" baby. The baby seems to be destined for something important, and may be a tabula raisa (blank slate) that can become a Messiah or an Antichrist. Interesting theory. We know that names are obviously relevant to the show. ROM could be Read Only Memory or Royal Ontario Museum (someone points out that when you click on the Royal Ontario Museum website, there's a picture of a polar bear (carved out of ivory) on the page if you scroll down a bit - just thought it was kinda funny how in depth the speculations can get. There's also talk of chromosomes (46 survivors - 23 + 23). I don't even think I could come up with a theory (and I think that's the point) right now because there is far too much information that we're supposed to believe that just isn't true. I really want to learn more about Locke. That dude is seriously scary. Can't wait for next week's episode!   Top

Drive My Car 20045 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-02-04, 09:37 AM (EST) 13. "RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode." Regarding The Stand, in the book the people were guided by dreams, and sent messages through dreams. I'm thinking that all dreams will be very important.   Top

Roo 705 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 12-02-04, 09:53 AM (EST) 16. "RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode." Awesome episode! If we go along with the purgatory theory, I wonder if "the others" could be the rest of the crash survivors who don't have a chance of being "saved". Handcrafted by RollDdice   Top

blacknwhitedog 6532 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-02-04, 09:42 AM (EST) 15. "Next episode preview" From ABC.com Next Episode: Wednesday, December 8, 8/7c "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues" Survivors wonder why Charlie and the pregnant Claire have been abducted - and by whom — and a search party ventures into the treacherous jungle to try to find and rescue the missing duo. Meanwhile, inner-demons about his father resurface for Jack, and Boone and Locke discover another island mystery. Sounds like more of Jack's back story about his father.   Top

RangeRover 262 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star" 12-02-04, 09:54 AM (EST) 17. "RE: Next episode preview" I knew when I saw Tom Cruise's cousin that he would be a freak. He was the original Sawyer model in the movie In the Bedroom and he was a freak there so using my amazing powers of deductive reasoning and thoughts that this guy is limited in skills, not unlike his cousin, I knew he was trouble. I think he is one of the Scientists/French people.. I thought she killed Alex? So another? And they want the baby because they want more people to experiment on? Build a society? Something of that nature. I found the psychic interesting but its highly unlikely anyone knew she and her future Hitler/Saddam/Stalin baby were going to be on the plane. But obviously that the future Dahmer/Bundy/Green River killer is what the baby will become without Claire. Who needs ultrasound?   Top

amea_gari 585 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 12-13-04, 00:12 AM (EST) 36. "RE: Next episode preview" Way to slip in a Tom Cruise bash. *gives you a gold star* A J Slice siggy   Top

FesterFan1 5947 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-02-04, 10:55 AM (EST) 18. "Flashbacks" The flashbacks in this show are always triggered by events on the island. If Jack is having flashbacks about his father (or maybe his career as relates to what we already know about his father's feelings about Jack's "having what it takes"), what will trigger them? Jack will be searching for Claire and Charlie, much like he was searching for his dad in E5. It looks like he'll also be faced with a situation where he'll have to make a quick, risky decision. I think this episode will be more about Jack's inner demons than his external relationship with his father. I'm also expecting a doozie of a cliffhanger, as it's the last new episode until January. Fester Damn, this show is good.   Top

TechNoir 9741 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-02-04, 03:10 PM (EST) 24. "RE: Flashbacks" Yeah, it is good. I always surprise myself by watching it, and then am surprised that it isn't totally schlock. I guess I'm a slow learner. "Won't someone think of the children?" - King Kaufman   Top

Canada Girl 3340 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 12-02-04, 03:19 PM (EST) 25. "RE: Flashbacks" Tech, my DH was NOT interested in watching it at the beginning. I asked him to tape the first few episodes for me, then invited him to watch four in a row one night. He's a bigger fan than me now. Just called from work to ask me to read some of the message board speculation. Hee hee! Keep your eye on the ball!   Top

PhoenixMons 4696 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Stuff Magazine Centerfold" 12-03-04, 10:39 AM (EST) 30. "This is me and dh" Only he was the one watching from the beginning now I'm the bigger fan. I thought the idea sounded interesting but figured it would be way too hard to do it right. I was obviously wrong. The first episode I saw was the Locke episode. Hooked ever since.   Top

amea_gari 585 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 12-13-04, 00:16 AM (EST) 37. "RE: This is me and dh" The Locke episode and the Koreans' flashback remain my favorites. Not every episode has been stellar to me, but those two, with the editing and story progression alone, remain two of the best hours of TV I have ever seen! A J Slice siggy   Top

joannie 380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 12-02-04, 12:10 PM (EST) 20. "RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode." Didn't the writers say somewhere that people you think are good will be bad, and people you think are bad will be good? Maybe Ethan isn't bad at all. Maybe Ethan is trying to "save" the world from this spawn-of-satan baby. Jack and the others know nothing about this "special" baby. If Claire dies and the baby lives, they would unknowingly be raising the anti-christ.   Top

jkokoj 4389 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 12-02-04, 01:14 PM (EST) 21. "RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode." Creepy, creepy, creepy!!!! When Hurley first came upon Ethan and knew there was something not right about him. I agree, Locke is some mystery. I think he is just enjoying this new found life a little too much and is going to want everything to stay as it is. I can see Locke going to the "dark" side very easily. So, if the psychic saw that Claire was going to be in the plane crash and survive on the deserted island, couldn't he notify someone about the general whereabouts of the plane? Why wouldn't this guy go to the authorities and at least try to get them to do a search? Also, wouldn't this occur to Claire and Charlie at some point? Claire seems to really understand her dealings with the psychic were to get her on that plane and to the island.   Top

blacknwhitedog 6532 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-02-04, 01:41 PM (EST) 22. "RE: Discussion about 12/1 episode." I got the feeling the psychic couldn't see all- just some things he gets an image that Claire's baby will be evil for some reason he sends her on the plane under false pretenses (there are no adoptive parents in California) he "sees" the plane crash and assumes Claire and her unborn child will be killed Claire (and the others) mysteriously survive the plane crash   Top

PhoenixMons 4696 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Stuff Magazine Centerfold" 12-02-04, 02:05 PM (EST) 23. "Interesting" I was sort of thinking the exact opposite. I figured he saw that Claire would survive the crash (maybe I'm being optimistic, but I don't think he wanted her and the baby dead) and would remain on the island - forcing her to raise the child herself. He wouldn't want to alert any authorities because well for starters who the hell would believe him...and also, Claire would have to be on the island long enough to actually give birth to the baby, and subsequently begin 'raising' the baby. The capture of Claire (I have a feeling she will give birth next episode) is probably something that he saw as well - maybe something that needed to happen in order to 'fix' the baby (or whatever)...perhaps this Ethan knows Claire is carrying an 'evil' baby (hence her visions of someone trying to harm her/the baby) and his capture is indeed intended to purify the baby in some manner. Ethan sure did seem creepy as hell, though. Ah...this show is just so awesome!   Top

zombiebaby 7356 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 12-02-04, 05:24 PM (EST) 26. "RE: Interesting" I was thinking something similar in that the psychic wanted her on the plane to crash but because something from that island "told" him they needed an infant. Maybe any infant. Also I keep thinking to how they all could be connected not only directly but by other peopel they have come in contact with. I wonder if the the baby's father, Claire's friend or the psychic had any contact with any plane crash survivors? Holiday Gift from Surveysez Bounce courtesy of IceCat   Top

shakes the clown 3366 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 12-02-04, 06:28 PM (EST) 27. "I thought it was obvious" >I was sort of thinking the >exact opposite. I figured >he saw that Claire would >survive the crash (maybe I'm >being optimistic, but I don't >think he wanted her and >the baby dead) and would >remain on the island - >forcing her to raise the >child herself. He wouldn't >want to alert any authorities >because well for starters who >the hell would believe him...and >also, Claire would have to >be on the island long >enough to actually give birth >to the baby, and subsequently >begin 'raising' the baby. > ...totally agree. I thought it was obvious that he put her on the plane knowing she would survive the crash and knowing that she would be stuck on the island for a very very long time and therefore she would be forced to raise the child. I don't think the baby is evil, but if someone else raises the baby then bad things will happen...that could also mean that if Claire raises the baby then good things will happen. So don't take the simple fact that I think Shakes is godlike to mean that I think he isn't an ass. -Samiam 10/12/04   Top

jkokoj 4389 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest" 12-03-04, 10:22 AM (EST) 29. "Agreed" I thought is was obvious that he wanted her on that flight because he knew she would survive and have the baby. I just think that the psychic will have more back story than this. How can you live with yourself knowing that there has been a plane crash with survivors, including this pregnant girl, and not try to do something. The psychic seemed to really care about Claire and her situation. I don't think this story line will end here. Like others have stated, I wonder if he is connected with any of the other survivors.   Top

MissMyth 352 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Cooking Show Host" 12-08-04, 03:15 PM (EST) 32. "RE: Agreed" First of all, I am soooo happy to have found a place to discuss Lost where there are some really interesting theories and insights. Thank you. I found this episode to be so good, with it's spooky elements and mind games. No sooner had I watched my tape of this show (with all the emphasis on names)than next weeks TV Guide arrived. Here's an brief on the show. What’s in a Name? So the Frenchwoman with the 16-year-long distress signal is alive and living on the island and she’s named Danielle Rousseau. Is her surname a nod to 18th-century philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau? “That’s exactly who we named her after,” admits Lost cocreator Damon Lindelof. Makes sense. Rousseau believed in the noble savage, the idea that humans were good and equal in the state of nature but were corrupted by property, science and commerce. Adds Lindelof, “Every single name on the show has purpose and meaning.” But of course! – Nerina Rammairone Makes you go back and start looking harder at everybody. Reading a biosketch on 17th century philosopher John Locke for example may give some insights into our island Locke's behavior. Have we ever heard Jack and Kate's last names? And who can tell us what meanings Sayid may have? hmmmmm   Top

motormouth 4507 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Stuff Magazine Centerfold" 12-09-04, 02:41 AM (EST) 33. "RE: Agreed" Hi MissMyth and welcome!! Thanks for sharing this info with us, very interesting indeed! *Courtesy of IceCat*   Top

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