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Colonel Zoidberg 3662 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 01-03-07, 09:13 AM (EST) "Survivor: Winners Tournament - Final Round" Two remain. Only two remain. Right now, I called the last matches because they were both blowouts. Most of the choices have been pretty decisive. In the semis, we had the original King against the two-time Ultimate Tournament winner. Incidentally, the King won the first Tournament. The King is Richard Hatch, Tournament winner in 2004. The two-time winner is Tom Westman, who hadn't yet played when Richard won. Tom took that match 18-9. In the other match, we had the ultimate scrambler and Tournament runner-up in her only appearance, losing by a single vote. We also have the newest champion and the latest player to have the suffix "-father" attached to his name. I'm referring to Guatemala champion and Steph-slayer Danni Boatwright and to Cook Islands champion and Ozzy-slayer Yul Kwon. Head-to-head, Yul roasted Danni 24-3. So your final decision comes down to: Tom Westman and Yul Kwon. Pick one. Pick only one. Voting closes at noon on Monday.   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - ... emydi 01-03-07 1  RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - ... Higgs 01-03-07 2  RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - ... taffnic 01-03-07 3  RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - ... seahorse 01-03-07 4  RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - ... kircon 01-03-07 5  RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - ... KObrien_fan 01-03-07 6  What KO_Fan said ... Scarlett O Hara 01-03-07 7  RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - ... michel 01-03-07 8  RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - ... Colonel Zoidberg 01-03-07 9  RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - ... Das Mole 01-03-07 10  RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - ... MJewel 01-03-07 11  RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - ... smokedog 01-03-07 12  RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - ... xwraith27 01-04-07 13  RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - ... malb730 01-04-07 14  RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - ... Max Headroom 01-04-07 15  RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - ... DearAbby 01-04-07 16  RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - ... cynthiarose 01-04-07 17  RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - ... whoami 01-04-07 18  RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - ... byoffer 01-04-07 19  RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - ... JohnMc 01-05-07 20  RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - ... dreamerbeliever 01-05-07 21

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emydi 13669 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-03-07, 09:43 AM (EST) 1. "RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - Final Round" Yul   Top

Higgs 1401 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson" 01-03-07, 09:49 AM (EST) 2. "RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - Final Round" Tom Westman and Yul Kwon   Top

taffnic 5392 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-03-07, 10:10 AM (EST) 3. "RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - Final Round" Tom Westman   Top

seahorse 14337 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-03-07, 10:57 AM (EST) 4. "RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - Final Round" Tom   Top

kircon 3323 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 01-03-07, 11:49 AM (EST) 5. "RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - Final Round" Yul If I don't vote for him he might arrange a hit on me.   Top

KObrien_fan 8360 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-03-07, 12:08 PM (EST) 6. "RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - Final Round" LAST EDITED ON 01-03-07 AT 12:09 PM (EST) Tom Westman Let's not forget what he did just because his season was 3 seasons ago. He was one of the major providers for his tribe, he was the main reason his tribe dominated in the challenges keeping them together before the merge. When reunited with Steph, he realized he was much better off with the alliances he had. He was a master manipulator as he kept the numbers in his favor and made moves one step ahead of his opponents, quite like a chess game. He also manipulated Ian to the point that he felt he owed it to Tom to step off at the final challenge in order to gain back his respect. He was strong enough to win individual challenges, yet manipulative enough to keep his alliance strong when he didn't have the protection of the immunity necklace so that they wouldn't vote him off. Tom had nothing to hide behind yet saved himself time and again to get to the final 2. Yul was smart, strong, and manipulative no doubt. But he also had the hidden immunity idol to hide behind. If there was not a twist to include an F3, he would have been toast when Ozzy won that final challenge as Ozzy no doubt would have taken Becky to the F2 with him.   Top

Scarlett O Hara 3439 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 01-03-07, 12:51 PM (EST) 7. "What KO_Fan said ..." That's right. I agree 100 per cent with what KO_Fan said. I loved Cook Islands and am happy that Yul won (albeit I was cheering for an Oz win), but Tom didn't have a HII to take him all the way to the end game to stand in front of the jury, nor did he have degrees from Harvard, Stanford and Yale nor was he recruited to play the game. My vote goes to Tom Westman!   Top

michel 10958 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-03-07, 12:53 PM (EST) 8. "RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - Final Round" LAST EDITED ON 01-03-07 AT 01:03 PM (EST) My vote is for TOM Tom worked for his win, assuring his tribe would have the majority at merge. After that, he did everything to stay alive. His tribe weren't great schemers but at least they plotted to ovethrow him. Yul benefitted from more luck than any other leaders that won. The HII being valid until F3 and players not being told the Final 3 faces the jury isn't just a twist but a complete rule change. It wasn't the same game anymore since the hardest part is to position yourself for that F2. Yul was also lucky to have a greedy sucker, Jonathan, to give him the win.   Top

Colonel Zoidberg 3662 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge" 01-03-07, 03:24 PM (EST) 9. "RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - Final Round" Let's go to the Tale of the Tape, shall we? Their legacies... Tom: The Dominator. Yul: The Yulfather. Advantage: Push. Their alliances... Tom: The Koror 5, or 6, or 4, or however-many diehard loyalists, one of whom fell on the sword for his benefit. Yul: The Aitu 4, a band of underdogs that survived a betrayal to control the game and dropped eight rival tribe members in a row. Advantage: Tom - no one sabotaged their own game for Yul Performances in challenges... Tom: Five immunity wins, domination in tribal challenges, destroyed men half his age Yul: Best known for explaining why elephants can't climb trees in an endurance challenge Advantage: Tom - be real Their rivals... Tom: The Ulong tribe. The most incompetent tribe ever. Yul: The Rarotonga tribe. The second-most incompetent tribe ever. Advantage: Yul - Raro won something Biggest individual competitor... Tom: Ian. Tom won by mindfvcking him into giving up. Yul: Ozzy. Yul won by securing a promise from an idiot. Advantage: Tom - he destroyed Ian mentally Biggest setback... Tom: Ian took him on the car challenge. Yul: Candice and Jonathan deserted Aitu. Advantage: Yul - nothing like watching eight bad guys drop in a row Sense of adventure... Tom: Picked the new campsite and was eaten alive by rats. Yul: Found the idol immediately after landing on Exile. Advantage: Yul - Tom could have worked his magic at Ulong's site, too Biting the hand that saved... Tom: Stayed around at F7 because Caryn betrayed the women, voted out Caryn at F5, and got her vote to win Yul: Stayed around at F9 because Jonathan betrayed Raro, voted out Jonathan at F7, and got his vote to win Advantage: Yul - Tom didn't need Caryn's vote Slaying giants... Tom: Slayed Ian at F3, or rather, convinced Ian to slay himself, and then took down Katie. Neither of these players is really a "giant" game player, though they may be considered "giants" in other ways. Yul: Shut out Becky at F3, though that was half his other F3 opponent's doing...and that other "giant" won five immunities and carried his tribe Advantage: Yul With that having been said, I have to go against what I was thinking all along and what I might otherwise thing and give my vote to... Yul Kwon.   Top

Das Mole 2366 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Seventeen Magazine Model" 01-03-07, 04:20 PM (EST) 10. "RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - Final Round" YUL das.   Top

MJewel 1951 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 01-03-07, 05:21 PM (EST) 11. "RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - Final Round" Tom Westman   Top

smokedog 1885 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 01-03-07, 11:22 PM (EST) 12. "RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - Final Round" Yul. Good arguments on both sides, though. This is a close vote for me, but one of the first things that came into my mind was my opinion that Yul could have won Palau easier than Tom could in Cook Islands.   Top

xwraith27 1136 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest" 01-04-07, 00:26 AM (EST) 13. "RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - Final Round" LAST EDITED ON 01-04-07 AT 00:47 AM (EST) This is a great matchup, and both sides have already presented really good arguments for and against both Yul and Tom. I've never been a good Survivor analyst but for what it's worth, here are my assessments of both: Physical Game: Tom the Challenge Hog over Yul the Challenge Planner Strategic Game: Yul the Mastermind over Tom Who Had Pretty Much No One to Challenge Him in the Strategy Department Social Game: Yul the Diplomat over Tom the Bully Camp Life: Tom the Shark Killer over Yul the Person Ozzy Named Didn't Work as Hard as He Could Entertainment Value: Tom the Slurring Drunk over Yul the Guy Who Got Sandwiched by Curvaceous Natives Final Assessment: I'm tired of thinking... I'll just go with Tom. I like him better anyway.   Top

malb730 123 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 01-04-07, 04:11 AM (EST) 14. "RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - Final Round" yul   Top

Max Headroom 10069 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-04-07, 09:09 AM (EST) 15. "RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - Final Round" This is a tough matchup. With most things being equal, my vote goes to Yul due to his humility. Tom was a great winner but an arrogant winner.   Top

DearAbby 3008 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 01-04-07, 09:19 AM (EST) 16. "RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - Final Round" I have a feeling this one will go down to the wire. There are lots of good arguments for both, but I give my vote to Yul. Vintage tribephyl 2006   Top

cynthiarose 172 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson" 01-04-07, 05:33 PM (EST) 17. "RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - Final Round" Tom Westman   Top

whoami 2936 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 01-04-07, 07:20 PM (EST) 18. "RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - Final Round" My vote has to go to Tom Westman. He had to win the IC And control his tribe. If there had been an F3 with Tom, Ian and Katie. Tom still would have won. Ian was a strong competitor but Tom was still better. Also what KO said.   Top

byoffer 15947 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-04-07, 10:25 PM (EST) 19. "RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - Final Round" I really want to vote for Dicque Hatch, but since he isn't available I have to go with the other shark killer. Tom   Top

JohnMc 2679 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Survivor-themed Cruise Spokesperson" 01-05-07, 01:13 PM (EST) 20. "RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - Final Round" This would be a beautiful thing to see. Tom was one the biggest challenge whores ever. But Yul was second to Ozzy, so he definitely can compete. Tom was pretty above board in his dealings with teammates and making alliances. Yul had the advantage of keeping the HI in his back pocket, so he was really the Puppet Master by default. Had he not had HI, who's to say who that "Puppet Master" would be. But not to take too much away from Yul, because Tom didn't get to play with a HI in his game, which really throws an entirely new strategic element in, which Yul not only used but fully exploited. If these guys were playing a game of Survivor All Stars, I would expect Yul to come out on Top. But based on former game play, I see a BSU Bronco Fiesta Bowl, throw-the-game-away-only-to-redeem-yourself-at-the-last-second win to... Tom   Top

dreamerbeliever 3380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity" 01-05-07, 02:45 PM (EST) 21. "RE: Survivor: Winners Tournament - Final Round" Tom Westman   Top

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