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09-28-06, 11:28 AM (EST)
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"PreFinale Thoughts "
Well, last night's episode contained no surprises, except how much I didn't like Michael's dress. We were all pretty sure, I think, that all four were going - there was too much hinting going on. Still, I remember how peeved I was that Austin got bounced for Wendy, but I bought into the process, and now we had both Jeffrey and Michael sucking (Uli having fvcked up the producer's plans by winning this challenge, because I think she was the obvious boot choice), so we rewrite the contest. I am still not sure if I like or dislike this notion. I thought Laura was very gracious in her expression of pleasure at this result - after all, her competition has increased by 33%.

Of course, we have not seen anything having to do with Jeffreygate yet, so all of this bon ami may melt come the finale.

I really did like Uli's dress and her picture. Laura's was exactly as the judges said - classic, flawless, done over and over again. I actually liked Jeffrey's dress, too, but I know nada about fashion. Again, Michael surprised me with his naive-cheeze approach to the assignment. Jeffrey will be reviled for making the "stupid" comment about Michael's efforts but I agree with what he said.

I haven't a clue who will win - that's a good thing.



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 RE: PreFinale Thoughts Tahj 09-28-06 1
   RE: PreFinale Thoughts ginger 09-28-06 2
 RE: PreFinale Thoughts geg6 09-28-06 3
   RE: PreFinale Thoughts FishWoman 09-28-06 4
   RE: PreFinale Thoughts Tahj 09-28-06 5
       RE: PreFinale Thoughts geg6 09-28-06 6
           RE: PreFinale Thoughts Tahj 09-28-06 7
   RE: PreFinale Thoughts ginger 09-28-06 9
 RE: PreFinale Thoughts SilverStar 09-28-06 8
 RE: PreFinale Thoughts ginger 09-28-06 10
 RE: PreFinale Thoughts reealiteefan 09-28-06 11
 RE: PreFinale Thoughts willinCal 09-28-06 12
   RE: PreFinale Thoughts toddE 10-01-06 13
       RE: PreFinale Thoughts EMTBGRL 10-01-06 14
           RE: PreFinale Thoughts geg6 10-02-06 15
               RE: PreFinale Thoughts EMTBGRL 10-02-06 16
                   RE: PreFinale Thoughts Snidget 10-03-06 18
                   RE: PreFinale Thoughts Sydney Rain 10-10-06 21
 Reunion show thoughts Snidget 10-03-06 17
   Just from the previews moonbaby 10-03-06 19
       RE: Just from the previews ginger 10-05-06 20

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1. "RE: PreFinale Thoughts "
Twue, twue. Very good synopsis my dear girl.

Anyone else notice that it's an all-hetero final this time? Not that there's anything wrong with that.


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2. "RE: PreFinale Thoughts "


There is a little skepticism remaining re M., though.

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3. "RE: PreFinale Thoughts "
I must truly be getting old, old, old.

Because I, once again, adored Laura's dress. I? would look fab in that dress (she said, humbly).

I'm willing to give Michael a bit of a pass on his not-so-great dress last night simply because I have loved so many of his other designs. And I have to agree with the judges that sportswear is definitely his thing.

Uli's dress? I didn't see anything new or all that interesting about it except that, for once, she hacked off the forty feet of extra fabric she had at the bottom. I'm just not all that crazy about her stuff. It's most definitely not my style at all.

As for Jeffrey's? That might have been the ugliest and least flattering or romantic thing I've ever seen in my life.

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4. "RE: PreFinale Thoughts "
Geg - you may look fab in Laura's dress, I would just look flab! It was beautiful though. I also adore her style, and really hope she wins.

I didn't like Uli's dress, but it isn't my style either - hey, are we secretly style-related?

Probably not, because I thought Jeffrey's dress was sweet. I wasn't crazy about the bottom of the skirt, but if we changed the bubble profile to a tulip-style, I would be all over it.

Michael didn't impress me with his dress, which is disappointing because I liked pretty much everything else he has done.


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5. "RE: PreFinale Thoughts "
Well, the judges have always given Laura her props about her skill and quality but have bashed her sameness. And remember, Heidi said she would wear every one of Laura's designs, so you're in good company. Who knows, maybe she'll win.

I lvoed Uli's dress. It stood out immediately from the other dresses as they came down the runway. It was perfect for the magazine and exactly what the judges were looking for. The beading was brilliant. That's the difference between Uli and Laura in that Uli has the ability to take her trademark print and make it a fresh, new-looking design. Laura just can't seem to get away from her plunging necklines.

Jeffrey's was fugly. 'Nuff said.



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6. "RE: PreFinale Thoughts "
I guess my problem with Uli actually is those prints. If I looked in my huge, overcrowded closet and counted the prints (excluding pinstripes), I could probably count them on one hand. And I have yet to see her make something you could wear in weather that is less than 80F. Her stuff reminds me of the clothes you see being sold in tanning salons here. No real tailoring or shape. Just lots of too-bright colors and prints with some sort of halter top.

As for Laura's stuff, I'm with Heidi. Her construction is to die for. And I'm rather partial to plunging necklines.

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7. "RE: PreFinale Thoughts "
There's no doubt, Geg, that the exposure the show has given her will make her wildly successful. There are lots of women who feel just the way you do.

If you ever do get to have one of her designs you will so have to post a pic on OT for us!


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9. "RE: PreFinale Thoughts "
You're not old! I like Anne Taylor, too. But she does the same AT cocktail dress every single time. And the neckline was jarring this time for some reason, I thought.



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8. "RE: PreFinale Thoughts "
I guess I haven't been paying attention because I was surprised that they kept all 4 designers last night. I was really, really hoping they would get rid of either Laura or Jeffrey. I love Michael and Uli.

Michael's dress last night was not so great, but he has been my favorite since episode 1. I really didn't like the openness of the front. I see enough bare chests from Laura.
I love Uli's dresses, even though they are all very similar. I'm not a fan of crazy prints, but she makes them work somehow.
Speaking of similar dresses, I hate Laura. She doesn't even mix up the fabrics when she makes the same dress over and over again. Has she ever used a color? Black and white and cream lace (no wonder she won the black/white challenge). Woo. How exciting. *yawn* Not to mention I want to vomit whenever I see her bony, flat chest. Ugh.
Jeffrey is just a turd. He picks the word romantic to describe himself as a designer? Huh? For 8(?) weeks he has shown us edgy, edgy, edgy, rocker, rocker, rocker and now he wants to call himself romantic? Sorry, I ain't buying it. Stick to the edgy stuff, at least it was interesting.

I have no idea who will win either. I would be happy with either Michael or Uli, and to a much lesser extent, Jeffrey (meaning I wouldn't like him to win, but I probably wouldn't throw stuff at the tv). He is at least original. That said, Laura will probably win and I will be dumbfounded just like last season. (I loved Chloe during the season, but thought her runway show was fugly!)


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10. "RE: PreFinale Thoughts "
Here's a link to Blogging Project Runway, a terrific blog for this show:
http://bloggingprojectrunway.blogspot.com/

The Jeffrey article is interesting, particularly if you happened to have watched Rock Star-Supernova and/or INXS. Dave Navarro wears Jeffrey's duds.


In teeniest font, I'm gonna come right out and say it: Unless there is a lot of validity to the cheating thing, I think Jeffrey should win.

*DUCKS*

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11. "RE: PreFinale Thoughts "
Last night's episode was so deja vu all over again!

I've never seen four designers with such definite niches as to what their design aesthetics are. Will Uli ever do a design that is not a floating dress with a psychedelic print and a halter neckline? Can she do slacks, can she work with solids, can she tailor designs that hug the curves of a woman's body? The world may never know.

Can Jeffrey design anything that, as Michael Kors aptly said, doesn't look as if he's channeling Gwen Stefani or some other rocker chick?

Can Laura design something that doesn't expose a woman's decolletage down to her navel? As for her design, it was a copy of the spangles and whatnot of her winning design the previous week.

The biggest disappointment last night had to be Michael. Michael Kors was right on in deeming Michael Knight's forte is sportswear. He has a decided problem with evening dresses as the Paris couture design ought to have demonstrated. It's to Michael's credit that he did try to design something different but he picked a design that reflected poorly upon his abilities. He ought to stick with sportswear -- it's what Kors himself has built his empire upon.

As for who wins the show ultimately -- I really don't care. This has to be the most predictable and, as a result, dullest group to date. I will await the Fashion Week show with complete indifference.

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12. "RE: PreFinale Thoughts "
Who was it that said that Jeffrey's dress looked like it was made for milking a cow? I was rolling on that comment. I truly thought Jeffrey was gonna be "auffed", but...it's good that all 4 made it to the finale. Michael's dress was awful, but he deserved to go on, since he had a good track record.

It'll be hard to predict who will win. My favorite is Michael, Uli, Laura, then Jeffrey.


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13. "RE: PreFinale Thoughts "
On one hand I don't mind all 4 going, but on the other...bodes badly for Uli. The obvious reason all 4 are going is because Michael's dress was the worst by so far that they couldn't bring themselves to auf someone else instead of him.

But he is the chosen one, so what were they going to do?

Ginger, as far as Jeffrey winning, my biggest problem with that is why is he even on this show, anyway? He bragged about how successful he is since the beginning. Give the chance to someone who's an up and comer.


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14. "RE: PreFinale Thoughts "
I don't like Laura's stuff. At all. I don't like the fact that Uli is a one note. Jeffrey is usually a good designer, but his prefinale dress was hideous. Michael's dress was NOT the worst design. Michael's dress had flaws, and he is not an evening wear designer as a forte, but could be corrected. Jeffrey's dress? He just needed to start all over. He should have been "Auf'd."

Even Michael's weak designs do not make me absolutely cringe.

I don't know who will win, either. But, I still stick with the opinion that it should be Michael Knight. He is not a one-note. He has talent and range. He can design everything from the coffee filter dress to the magenta hot pants for Pam Grier, and executes almost flawlessly, almost every time. His jetsetter outfit was hot and interesting. I thought he should have won that challenge, too.

The other three? Bore me. I would not buy "edgy, rocker" designs. Maybe for my teenager, but she'd grow out of them. Although Jeffrey has a "signature" it's not interesting to me, and is also overshadowed by his arrogance. The design itself? I can't remember anything that Jeffrey's made that I thought "Wow! Now I like that!" Nope. However, I still think that for the finale, Jeffrey's line would be interesting to look at for the viewer. I bet he would at least try to have range.

I am not interested in Uli's flowy, Mrs. Roper dresses to jet set to Miami and party on a plane, or wear to the PTA. That's not me, either. I have not seen ONE thing that Uli has made that I would buy. Nothing. I do know some people that would buy it-- but, a few pieces later? would be looking for something fresh, different and interesting. I hate prints. Please. A solid once in awhile, or pants, wouldn't kill Uli. Right? I like Uli. I would like her more if she'd demonstrated more "range." I think she's more interested in having a signature. We all know what it is, right? Do we need a whole line at the finale to remind us "We knew that already?" No.

Laura. Walking disaster. To look at her is painful! Laura designs for the body she wishes she had to show off. There's only so much classic, beige/cream/black/white dresses with plunging necklines I'd want to buy. (um, if any, it would be "one.") Again. I'd like to see a greater "range" with Laura. But, when she tries to move out of her "comfort zone" it seems to be too great a stress for her. I think an entire line of Laura's stuff would be booooooooring. Also, it would look like it was meant for someone that wants to eat at 4:30 p.m. to not miss the Early Bird Specials at the local retirement community. imho she has NOT figured out how to make ANYTHING look "younger." Adding a black beaded fringe to a dress does not add "youth." nope.

The person I think could do an interesting line, flawlessly executed, that would be designs I would own, or could imagine real people liking, and buying? Michael Knight.

The winner should be a no-brainer. If they say anyone other than "Michael Knight" it was a rigged contest, unless he really messes up between now and then.

Of course, that probably means that he won't win.


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15. "RE: PreFinale Thoughts "
>Laura. Walking disaster. To look at
>her is painful! Laura designs
>for the body she wishes
>she had to show off.
>There's only so much classic,
>beige/cream/black/white dresses with plunging necklines
>I'd want to buy. (um,
>if any, it would be
>"one.")

Well, as someone who does have the body she is designing for, I have to disagree. Laura has a fabulous body, especially for someone who has had all those kids! She looks completely put together and I don't find looking at her painful at all.

I do agree that I'd like to see a wider color palate for her clothes, but the dresses themselves are classic and perfectly tailored. Perhaps such a highly tailored look is not your cup of tea, but it's right up my alley.

I think an
>entire line of Laura's stuff
>would be booooooooring. Also, it
>would look like it was
>meant for someone that wants
>to eat at 4:30 p.m.
>to not miss the Early
>Bird Specials at the local
>retirement community. imho she has
>NOT figured out how to
>make ANYTHING look "younger." Adding
>a black beaded fringe to
>a dress does not add
>"youth." nope.

Then I guess I'm ready for my AARP membership. Simple lines, exquisitely tailored, are not what I'd consider old. If that's true, then all my Calvin stuff and all my Ralph stuff (of course, bought on sale/discount) are designed for the geriatric set.

Not that I don't like Michael's stuff, at least his sportswear. But to say that only an old person, hopelessly out of fashion, would wear Laura's stuff is ridiculous. I would wear everything I've seen her design, just like Heidi said she would. And I don't think you could call Heidi old and out of touch by any stretch of the imagination.

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16. "RE: PreFinale Thoughts "
Geg

I wasn't trying to insult your taste, or Heidi's. I never said that "an old person, hopelessly out of fashion," would wear Laura's stuff. I said that an elderly/older person WOULD wear Laura's designs. I never said that Laura's dresses/outfits weren't designed, or fashionable, either. They are. They are just also predictable, and boring. This is a competition, and not a question about what someone might wear ONCE, but what a whole LINE of someone's designs would look like on a runway.

After dress #1? I'd be asleep. What the heck would she do with a fabric in magenta? a classicly tailored dress with a plunging neckline. She's a one-note. I don't see her having the ability to branch beyond her signature. Not right now. Someday? Perhaps. Now? No.

I'm sure that you would look fab. in one of Laura's dresses. I just don't think someone wants the same dress over and over and over...to wear to different parties. I would bet that you wouldn't wear the same design everywhere you went, no matter HOW much you liked it. Right?

True, Laura's designs are not my cup of tea. That's my perogative. True. I feel stifled in "too tailored." However, I would own ONE of Laura's dresses for a special evening. My point is that Laura's not a designer capable of putting out a LINE that I would buy.

My comments were not aimed at you. I know there are women that like the classic, tailored look. But, this is a design competition. That's wear Laura and Uli are weaker competitors than either Jeffrey and Michael. They are predictable. We know what Laura would do with beige/cream/black fabric the same way we have a good idea of what Uli would do with flowy prints.

To be fair? Laura was TOLD by the judges, more than once, to find ways to make her designs "younger" and I think there was a reason she was told to do so. At one of the challenges, one of the models was making suggestions to Laura as to how to make Laura's design more "youthful." I don't think that was an accident. I do not see a young/younger person interested in buying anything of Laura's. I could be wrong, and that's fine. That's my opinion. I can't think of one person under 30 that would want any of Laura's designs. Maybe even under 40. And, I fall into that camp. I could see wearing Laura's dress if I was trying to look older, not more youthful. That's just the way I see them. Maybe it would be different putting one on? But, they don't interest me enough to even picture bringing it into a dressing room.

Laura looks good in a lot of what she designs, but not all of it. I'd rather see her in Jackie O. classic, tailored lines than "plunging neckline" classic. I think the beige/black etc. colors she favors? aren't flattering, either.

That has nothing to do with her figure. She's not a model, she's a clothing designer. However, I think her designs should be figure flattering for the designer when she is the runway model. I think she usually misses the boat there.

I have no intention of rummaging through your closet. Whatever makes you feel good? Is fine with me.

I still stand by the fact that the only designer that designs anything that I would wear, and demonstrates "range?" Is Michael Knight. (My measuring stick is not only "Would I buy it?" It's "Would anyone I know buy it?" and "Would a whole line of their designs bore me to tears?")

I think that's a fair measure.

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18. "RE: PreFinale Thoughts "
One thing to remember based on what I remember of past seasons that sometimes the collection isn't nearly as one-note as the competitions. Most of them stick to whatever construction shapes and styles they know they can do well when they are short on time. If you've got a pattern you can draft in your sleep you are going to stick to that range when you don't have a lot of time. Some of the designers do have a broader comfort zone than others during the show, some of that may be how much experience they have coming in. Someone like Laura who is an archetect I expect to have a smaller I can draft it in my sleep selection than someone who has been doing nothing but design for a decade.

Most of the designers seem to branch out a lot more when they have months and months and can work out a shape or construction technique they don't know by heart.

If you don't mind being spoiled the collection pictures are on-line, see the fashion week thread. Having seen that it does tend to color my views of the designers at this time, but I don't want to say too much about that for those who want to be suprised.

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21. "RE: PreFinale Thoughts "
However, I
>would own ONE of Laura's
>dresses for a special evening.
>My point is that Laura's
>not a designer capable of
>putting out a LINE that
>I would buy.

So if you bought one, and everybody else bought one, how much more would Laura have to sell to be successful? I don't know ANYONE who wears one designer's line exclusively. (Well, that's not true -- my neighbor wears only Target!)

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17. "Reunion show thoughts"
I listened to Tim's podcast from last episode.

He seemed to think he needed more time and distance before he could do his podcast about the reunion show.

Given the whole pattern book flap and some of the personalities I think it could be a doozy.

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19. "Just from the previews"
the reunion show looks like it can't be missed!

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20. "RE: Just from the previews"
Well, it wasn't the most exciting of these reunions (perhaps no one got drunk enough) and it didn't tell us much about the finale, although (as I said on a different thresd) I thought it noteworthy with respect to Jeffrey that (a) Laura defended him about his problems with Angela's mom, so she isn't biased against him going into the finale, and probably has a legitimate concern about his collection; and (b) none of the "alumni" picked him for the win, like they didn't even think of him as in the running. Maybe I'm reading too much into that, though (I thought Jay was v. funny in his assessment, although it probably peeved Heidi & Co.).



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