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"Double Standard Jodi and Food Addiction versus Alcohol Addiction "
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04-13-06, 01:11 PM (EST)
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"Double Standard Jodi and Food Addiction versus Alcohol Addiction "
How come when it comes to a drinking addiction, EVERYONE in the house had to throw out ALL of the alcohol, yet, Jodi is expected to deal with her food addiction without any support or changes from her housemates? Dealing with Jodi, according to Kelly, is not why she is in the house. Not being able to "deal with" Jodi or even care about Jodi (her own words to her husband on the phone) is a big part of her own issues! I think there is a double standard and disrespect for the food addiction as compared to the alcohol addiction and that Kelly should be made to be kind to Jody OR LEAVE. The last human condition that it's still OK to discriminate and be rude is overeating.
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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: Double Standard Jodi and Food A... JustBNMe 04-13-06 1
   RE: Double Standard Jodi and Food A... pigsfly46 04-13-06 3
 RE: Double Standard Jodi and Food A... working4aliving 04-13-06 2
   RE: Double Standard Jodi and Food A... pnina 04-13-06 4
       RE: Double Standard Jodi and Food A... eire_heart74 04-13-06 6
           RE: Double Standard Jodi and Food A... pigsfly46 04-13-06 9
       RE: Double Standard Jodi and Food A... pigsfly46 04-13-06 7
   RE: Double Standard Jodi and Food A... pigsfly46 04-13-06 5
       RE: Double Standard Jodi and Food A... phlinky 04-13-06 8
       RE: Double Standard Jodi and Food A... working4aliving 04-13-06 10
           RE: Double Standard Jodi and Food A... Lanna42 04-13-06 12
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JustBNMe 526 desperate attention whore postings
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04-13-06, 01:21 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Double Standard Jodi and Food Addiction versus Alcohol Addiction "
LAST EDITED ON 04-13-06 AT 01:35 PM (EST)

IMO alcohol is a mind numbing, mind altering substance and people can get seriously hurt by it and with it. (Liver problems, doing thigns they normally wouldn't do when not drinking, drunk drivers etc). Alcohol is also something the human body doesn't need to survive and it changes the chemical makeup of the brain of those who use and abuse it. Food is a necessity. Granted I feel that chocolate when I am having PMS alters my brain chemistry becuase it keep me from ripping people's heads off (LOL) but it is not the same as alcohol.

ETA: Jodi had the nutritionsit there to help her and provide support but Jodi did her usual and got pi$$y about it and refused the help. She is good at talking about her problems but doesn't do anything to help herslef even when the help is given to her on a silver platter.

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04-13-06, 01:52 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Double Standard Jodi and Food Addiction versus Alcohol Addiction "
I understand your information on alcoholism...I've been drowning in alcohol my entire life (both parents). However, the food addiction and eating disorders can be dangerous and even life threatening also. Everyone has to eat and that is the unique challenge to the food addicted versus other addictions. I don't see why the housemates cannot agree to eat healthy for her sake, and as in the alcohol, their own sake too. Or, can't they eat candy elsewhere or be a little compassionate and not eat it for awhile? When she leaves the house of course she will need to be able to discipline herself no matter what anyone else is eating. But she is in the house to get help, and perhaps a jumpstart, at being able to do that. I think Kelly like many others look down their noses at the lack of control and self discipline that they perceive in someone who is overwheight. Jodi said she'd not smoke in front of Kelly if she was struggling with that. Jodi is just starting recovery. Give her some support and respect.
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04-13-06, 01:31 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Double Standard Jodi and Food Addiction versus Alcohol Addiction "
Dealing with Jodi, according to Kelly, is not why she is in the house. Not being able to "deal with" Jodi or even care about Jodi (her own words to her husband on the phone) is a big part of her own issues!

I couldn't agree with you more! As I watched her talking to her husband, I felt like this is probably the same thing he's heard a million and one times before, just with a different name. Kelly has major issues that have nothing to do with Jodi but more to do with her resentment of anyone she perceives to be criticizing or controlling. I'm surprised the woman can hold a job! She's probably very capable but I for one couldn't stand all that negative and angry energy 7 days a week.

Jodi does need support and there is a definite double standard with the alcohol/food addictions, but that's the problem unique to food addictions. When you quit smoking, drinking or drugging, you quit. You can't quit eating. You can avoid bars, the friends that are into drugging and most places are smoke free so that's a tremendous support for those people. People with eating disorders don't have that kind of support. Jodi is going to eat and she's going to be around people who do eat. In my opinion, she's gonna have to learn how to deal with it, hopefully without feeling deprived.

I sincerely do not think Jodi was initially angry with Kelly for the food. Having had food issues myself, I know it's a highly emotional thing. Deprivation sucks and it's hard to deal with.

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04-13-06, 01:57 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Double Standard Jodi and Food Addiction versus Alcohol Addiction "
You know I can't get excited about Jodi asking for support or getting upset about not having support for her food issues when she's standing in the kitchen FRYING up a skillet of sausages. Jodi should not ask for support for her healthy food choices while standing up to her elbows in grease. It seems that everything we've been allowed to see of the HGs shows that she is not yet fully committed to a healthy lifestyle. I think Jodi brought up the "food issue" in group merely as a means to get pity and possibly a good cry.

On the other hand, Kelly should have just let it go and not made it into an argument.

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04-13-06, 02:04 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Double Standard Jodi and Food Addiction versus Alcohol Addiction "
Jodi
>should not ask for support
>for her healthy food choices
>while standing up to her
>elbows in grease. It seems
>that everything we've been allowed
>to see of the HGs
>shows that she is not
>yet fully committed to a
>healthy lifestyle.

Amen to that! It's not a double standard when Jodi herself has not yet admitted to herself that she has a problem. She claims to not have asked anyone to move food away from her eyes yets requests certain foods not be made by housemates.

She needs to get over the fact that she chooses to put the food in her mouth. And that others can do the same. Hey if Kelly wants to fry up some bacon for a snack, deal with it sister. Think it doesn't bother Kelly to see Jodi and Kim smoking if she herself has quit? Yet she doesn't ask them not too.

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04-13-06, 02:12 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Double Standard Jodi and Food Addiction versus Alcohol Addiction "
Kim hasn't admitted that she's an alcoholic, yet when and if she does there will be none in the house to contend with. Everyone thought it was awful when Kim staggered into Christy's room drunk but it's OK to intentionally cook bacon next to Jodi. Kelly addmitted that it was intentional to the therapist.
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04-13-06, 02:07 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Double Standard Jodi and Food Addiction versus Alcohol Addiction "
That is what food addicts do! In Alanon, when talking about the alcoholic in their lives they have said that we shouldn't be surprised when our alcoholic drinks even after periods of abstinense. That's what alcholics do. She needs help. That's why she is there.
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04-13-06, 02:02 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Double Standard Jodi and Food Addiction versus Alcohol Addiction "
For me this is the key to my message when you said: "In my opinion, she's gonna have to learn how to deal with it, hopefully without feeling deprived." I totally agree. But, she is there to LEARN HOW and she needs a safe and supportive environment to get started. I agree totally with you about Kelly! I was disgusted with the conversation that she had with her husband about Jodi! How can anyone thrive in areas of weakness with the negative and hateful energy that she emits?
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04-13-06, 02:11 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Double Standard Jodi and Food Addiction versus Alcohol Addiction "
What about their smoking? Jodi and Kim smoke. Kelly told a story of her smoking for 25 years and found nodules and had to quit. Jodi's answer was that they do not do it in front of her. Did anyone support Jill (including Rhonda) when they had that chocolate party for Lisa and she had to sit through it? Did anyone support Jill with her smoking issue? Did Rhonda support Jodi when she had the barbeque for Bethany?

Unfortunately, food addiction is a little trickier than smoking and alcohol in the sense that you need food to live. You cannot put the whole house on a diet just for 1 woman, who SO got a Nutritionist for and seemed to abuse her when she tried to help.

They can remove the alcohol and banish smoking to the outside, but they cannot banish food. Jodi is a big girl who will have to live in the real world and control herself. She is getting the support she needs. However, as I said in the other forum, something happened the night before that we were not privy to. I think Jodi's attitude was less than desirable and we did not get to see that. So, our judgement of Kelly is a little clouded.

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04-13-06, 02:15 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Double Standard Jodi and Food Addiction versus Alcohol Addiction "
she is there to LEARN HOW and she needs a safe and supportive environment to get started.

Absolutely! You are so right but, it does bother me a bit that she's choosing to hang out in the kitchen. I know it's difficult to be alone when everyone else is congregated in one place but, I think she could say, "if anyone wants me, I'll be in the living room. I just can't be around this right now." Hopefully the other guests would be supportive enough to take the hint and spend their time in another room with Jodi.

My heart goes out to Jodi. Seems there is more respect for other addictions whereas an eating disorder is seen as more of a personality flaw.

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04-13-06, 03:11 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Double Standard Jodi and Food Addiction versus Alcohol Addiction "

>My heart goes out to Jodi.
>Seems there is more respect
>for other addictions whereas an
>eating disorder is seen as
>more of a personality flaw.


Well said Working.Society in general has more respect for a heroin addict shooting up in an alley then for someone struggling with an eating disorder,in particular overeating.Alcoholics and drug addicts are referred to as "sick" whereas someone with an eating disorder is just lazy or lacking in self-control and character.Jodi should have been meeting with a specialist in eating disorders not a nutritionist.She has a very distorted body image.And I think she is trying to cover up much deeper emotional issues by abusing food.My personal feeling is that it's impossible to police the behavior of others to control an addiction.Life is going to bombard an addict with temptation so why not learn to deal with it from the get go.Personal responsibility has to come before controlling the environment or other people.

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04-13-06, 03:06 PM (EST)
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We've had various other threads discussing this, including several about Jodi's weight in the IH Forum.

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