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AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-21-12, 09:26 PM (EST) "NFL conference championship weekend complaining thread" LAST EDITED ON 01-21-12 AT 09:27 PM (EST) The Wall Street Journal had an interesting story today about the relative rankings of the remaining teams on offense and defense. No team that was rated below 25th in either category has ever won the Super Bowl. In fact, only one team, the 2009 Saints, has won the Super Bowl and been rated 25th (in defense, in its case). SF was 26th in offense. NYG was 27th in defense. NE was 31st in defense. Thus, Baltimore, which was 3rd in defense and 15th in offense, has to win it all. Doesn't it? Perhaps not. The worst team to ever win the Super Bowl, by this measure, was the 2001 Patriots: 19th on offense and 24th on defense, for a total of 43. The second worst team was the 1980 LA Raiders, with a total of 27 (16th offense, 11th defense). Then come the 2009 Saints (1st offense, 25th defense), with a total of 26. So . . . if anyone except the Ravens wins this year's Super Bowl, there will be a new team in second behind the 2001 Pats. SF: 26+4=30. NE: 2+31=33. NYG: 8+27=35.   Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: NFL conference championship wee... Estee 01-21-12 1  RE: NFL conference championship wee... cahaya 01-21-12 2  RE: NFL conference championship wee... Max Headroom 01-21-12 3    Just a minor variation. Estee 01-22-12 4        A clarification. Max Headroom 01-22-12 5            RE: A clarification. Snidget 01-22-12 6            RE: A clarification. Estee 01-22-12 7  Act I: Ravens vs. Patriots. Estee 01-22-12 8    RE: Act I: Ravens vs. Patriots. Snidget 01-22-12 9        *whistle* Estee 01-22-12 11  Is it just me.... Snidget 01-22-12 10    RE: Is it just me.... Estee 01-22-12 12    Steven's performance (with video). Estee 01-23-12 76        RE: Steven's performance (with vide... AyaK 01-23-12 77  Drew Bledsoe is on the sideline! Estee 01-22-12 13  Patriots 3, Ravens 0. Estee 01-22-12 14  RE: NFL conference championship wee... Estee 01-22-12 15  Ravens 3, Patriots 3 (early 2nd). Estee 01-22-12 16  Patriots 10, Ravens 3 (10:35 left i... Estee 01-22-12 17    RE: Patriots 10, Ravens 3 (10:35 le... Snidget 01-22-12 18  Ravens 10, Patriots 10 (6:03 left i... Estee 01-22-12 19  Patriots 13, Ravens 10. (3:00 left... Estee 01-22-12 20  Hoodie knees out the half. Estee 01-22-12 21  Max's first half notes. Max Headroom 01-22-12 22  Patriots 16, Ravens 10 (9:06 left i... Estee 01-22-12 23  Ravens 17, Patriots 16 (3:38 left i... Estee 01-22-12 24  Ravens 20, Patriots 16 (2:48 left i... Estee 01-22-12 25  And it will never haunt them in any... Estee 01-22-12 26    RE: And it will never haunt them in... Snidget 01-22-12 27  Patriots 23, Ravens 20 (12:19 left ... Estee 01-22-12 28    Minor delay. Estee 01-22-12 29        RE: Minor delay. AyaK 01-23-12 79  Patriots intercept Flacco... Estee 01-22-12 30    RE: Patriots intercept Flacco... PepeLePew13 01-22-12 31        U-turn sequence complete -- Estee 01-22-12 32  4th and 6 for the Ravens... Estee 01-22-12 33    1:56 Warning Molaholic 01-22-12 34  Delay of script. Estee 01-22-12 35    WTH! PepeLePew13 01-22-12 36        ... Estee 01-22-12 37            *choke* cahaya 01-22-12 40                RE: *choke* Estee 01-22-12 43                    RE: *choke* AyaK 01-22-12 55                        RE: *choke* cahaya 01-23-12 87                            RE: *choke* AyaK 01-24-12 88                                RE: *choke* cahaya 01-24-12 90                RE: *choke* HobbsofMI 01-23-12 84                    RE: *choke* Estee 01-23-12 85        RE: WTH! AyaK 01-22-12 42        RE: WTH! Max Headroom 01-22-12 46            RE: WTH! PepeLePew13 01-22-12 49  Dear Baltimore, Estee 01-22-12 38  Act II: Giants vs. 49ers. Estee 01-22-12 39  Did I hear that right.. Snidget 01-22-12 41    RE: Did I hear that right.. Estee 01-22-12 44        RE: Did I hear that right.. Snidget 01-22-12 50  Welcome to Candlestick. Estee 01-22-12 45  Too late. Estee 01-22-12 47  49ers 7, Giants 0. (about 7:00 lef... Estee 01-22-12 48  49ers 7, Giants 7 (11:15 left in 2n... Estee 01-22-12 51    RE: 49ers 7, Giants 7 (11:15 left i... Snidget 01-22-12 52        RE: 49ers 7, Giants 7 (11:15 left i... Estee 01-23-12 74  Unfair catch. Estee 01-22-12 53  Halftme: Giants 10, 49ers 7. Estee 01-22-12 54  49ers 14, Giants 10 (5:18 left in 3... Estee 01-22-12 56    RE: 49ers 14, Giants 10 (5:18 left ... Estee 01-23-12 75  *thud* Estee 01-22-12 57  Defensive idiocy: fifteen yards. Estee 01-22-12 58  The knee. Estee 01-22-12 59    RE: The knee. Snidget 01-22-12 60        RE: The knee. Estee 01-22-12 62  And within seeming seconds: Estee 01-22-12 61  Overtime, Estee 01-22-12 63    RE: Overtime, Snidget 01-22-12 64    As if on cue moonbaby 01-22-12 65    Good question: PepeLePew13 01-22-12 66        Easy answer: Estee 01-22-12 70  The fumble. Estee 01-22-12 67    RE: The fumble. cahaya 01-22-12 73        RE: The fumble. AyaK 01-24-12 89            RE: The fumble. cahaya 01-24-12 91  Super Bowl Forty-Six: The Rematch. Estee 01-22-12 68    RE: Super Bowl Forty-Six: The Rema... Max Headroom 01-22-12 69  Yay! moonbaby 01-22-12 71  Insta-line prediction. Estee 01-22-12 72    RE: Insta-line prediction. AyaK 01-23-12 78  Good morning... PepeLePew13 01-23-12 80    RE: Good morning... Estee 01-23-12 82    RE: Good morning... jbug 01-23-12 83        Williams trigirl 01-25-12 92  What a great story line. Max Headroom 01-23-12 81  Running mosiac game(s) diary. Estee 01-23-12 86

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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-21-12, 09:56 PM (EST) 1. "RE: NFL conference championship weekend complaining thread" Now you've got me wondering about differential: the widest spread between the offensive and defensive rankings. Would I be right in guessing that if the Patriots win it all, their 29 would lead the historic pack?   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

cahaya 18904 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-21-12, 11:42 PM (EST) 2. "RE: NFL conference championship weekend complaining thread" Rankings by themselves are almost meaningless. For one, they're not linear, either on offense or defense. For example, the difference between ranking #1 and #8 is not anywhere near the same as the ranking between #8 and #15, even though there are 7 ranking place differences. Thus, adding them up makes even less sense. A better measure for defense in terms of actual game results is the PAPG (Points Allowed Per Game) and those are as follows: SF: 14.3 (rank #2) BR: 16.6 (rank #3) NE: 21.4 (rank #15 in a crowded middle tier) NYG: 25.0 (rank #25 in a crowded bottom third tier) As you can see, the so-called "31st in defense ranking" for NE is a complete wash. In reality, they rank in the middle in terms of points allowed to their opponents, even if they allow more yards (think field position). To make this more accurate, you'd also want to add the TD's scored by the defense as they increase the scoring differential (effectively taking a TD away from the opponents offense). On offense, its: NE: 32.1 (rank #3) NYG: 24.6 (rank #9) SF: 23.8 (rank #11) BR: 23.6 (rank #12) None of these teams rank below the top dozen in terms of putting points on the board. Again, they might rank lower in terms of yards per game, but there are other factors involved. If a team gets a lot of YPG but commits turnovers, they won't score. Also, field position also comes into play with the complementary defense. While I wouldn't add up ranks, I would look at the actual differential in points scored on offense vs points allowed on defense. These would serve as the average betting lines vs their regular season opponents: NE: +9.7 (31.1 - 21.4) SF: +9.5 (23.8 - 14.3) BR: +7.0 (23.6 - 16.6) NYG: -0.4 (24.6 - 25.0) By this measure, NE and SF are the best teams in terms of scoring differential. Baltimore is less than field goal behind them. The Giants, on the other hand, actually allowed more points than they scored, which makes you wonder if they even belong in the conference championship. Even these measures are not totally comparable, as each of these teams had different schedule difficulty levels. SF is in a cupcake division with weak teams, so there is a bias towards their defense allowing fewer points. It'd take a computer program to accurately do power rankings and arrive at betting lines. But adding and subtracting ranks is a sure way to lose your bet.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Max Headroom 10028 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-21-12, 11:48 PM (EST) 3. "RE: NFL conference championship weekend complaining thread" As much as I loathe Hoodie and the Patriots, I have to admit that I'd rather see them in the Super Bowl than the Ravens. Heck, maybe I'll see Tom Brady's wife wandering around here at some point before the game. And a Ravens/49ers Super Bowl would be about as exciting as watching paint dry, so I guess that means I'm also rooting for the Giants. Ouch.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 02:10 PM (EST) 4. "Just a minor variation." Thank you, Six Jinxalot. (Although with the Patriots, you were likely doing it deliberately and with malice aforethought.) A seemingly-large percentage of self-titled football pundits and bettors are picking New York to take the NFc. And do you know what that translates to? That in the eyes of the public, the Giants are supposed to win. Suckers.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Max Headroom 10028 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 03:28 PM (EST) 5. "A clarification." The Vegas line is holding steady with the 49ers as a 2.5 point favorite. Somebody must think the 49ers are going to win the game.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Snidget 43862 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 03:41 PM (EST) 6. "RE: A clarification." Well the pregame predictions on the network Giants win low scoring game ditto ibid ditto ibid Summarizing guy--so everyone thinks it is the Giants in a low scoring game, this is probably good news for the 49ers.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 03:43 PM (EST) 7. "RE: A clarification." Sure, but none of them are talking to the media.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 03:58 PM (EST) 8. "Act I: Ravens vs. Patriots." In which many penalties are committed and about a fifth of them are called.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Snidget 43862 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 04:01 PM (EST) 9. "RE: Act I: Ravens vs. Patriots." Well that makes up for the imaginary penalties that didn't happen.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 04:05 PM (EST) 11. "*whistle*" Thinking like a referee: removal from thread until the concussion heals.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Snidget 43862 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 04:04 PM (EST) 10. "Is it just me...." Or is the crowd trying to drown out Steven Tyler's rendition of the National Anthem?   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 04:09 PM (EST) 12. "RE: Is it just me...." Can you blame them? Not only is it an American Idol protest, but this is a gay marriage state, which means they just plain hate America. You didn't know naming the team the Patriots was a move to subvert and ultimately destroy our fragile national pride? Well, live and learn.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-23-12, 01:25 AM (EST) 76. "Steven's performance (with video)." When you can get Faux News and the Huffington Post to both say you svcked, there's a very good chance you svcked. I missed the original performance due to phone call, but... http://entertainment.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/22/10212717-steven-tyler-criticized-for-football-anthem *plays video* ...oh gawds. Wow. The America-hatred just keeps on coming. Would he have gotten a golden ticket for his own show? Not in the Simon era. In his own...   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-23-12, 03:06 AM (EST) 77. "RE: Steven's performance (with video)." I had to watch the video again just to remind myself that yes, he really was that bad. Now I understand why Joe Perry thought that Aerosmith needed a new lead singer.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 04:12 PM (EST) 13. "Drew Bledsoe is on the sideline!" ,,,wait -- -- okay, they disarmed him. All clear. Meanwhile, the #31 defense gets a three-and-out.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 04:29 PM (EST) 14. "Patriots 3, Ravens 0." And there's a badly-timed penalty to knock out a Ravens interception -- but since it looked as if the Ravens actually did something, so it goes. A takeaway was the best result, but keeping the Patriots down to 3 points wasn't the worst.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 04:35 PM (EST) 15. "RE: NFL conference championship weekend complaining thread" That horrible NE defense seems to be getting a lot of early 3-and-outs plus sacks. ...I refuse to believe Hoodie has been conducting a full-season deception play.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 04:51 PM (EST) 16. "Ravens 3, Patriots 3 (early 2nd)." I mean, to run a full-season gambit where you intentionally slowed down your defense, you'd need to have insane confidence in your offense and at least twelve packets of blackmail material on assorted refs...   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 05:00 PM (EST) 17. "Patriots 10, Ravens 3 (10:35 left in 2nd)" Because when the other team is within sight of your goal, the most intelligent thing you can do is commit a facemask penalty.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Snidget 43862 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 05:06 PM (EST) 18. "RE: Patriots 10, Ravens 3 (10:35 left in 2nd)" LAST EDITED ON 01-22-12 AT 05:07 PM (EST) I've always wondered what causes football players to commit very obvious fouls like that at times like that, especially since they always seem to come when you'd really not want to give the opponent that kind of momentum.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 05:10 PM (EST) 19. "Ravens 10, Patriots 10 (6:03 left in 2nd)" Oh, there's the Patriots defense!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 05:21 PM (EST) 20. "Patriots 13, Ravens 10. (3:00 left in 2nd) " Is it just me, or does it feel like both teams have just about forgotten how to tackle?   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 05:33 PM (EST) 21. "Hoodie knees out the half." Kind of makes you wonder what Brady has to do before the coach would have confidence in his quarterback.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Max Headroom 10028 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 05:38 PM (EST) 22. "Max's first half notes." 1. The Patriots run a short crossing route 75% of the time. The only variable is which receiver has the underneath route. What I wonder is why nobody has figured out a way to stop such a simple offensive approach. 2. I'm surprised by Hoodie's lack of cojones at the end of the first half. Taking a knee twice with almost a minute left and two timeouts? Cluck, cluck, cluck. 3. Even after a fairly even half, I still smell a Patriots blowout coming.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 05:56 PM (EST) 23. "Patriots 16, Ravens 10 (9:06 left in 3rd)" 'We will now run our We Can Get A First Down Pretty Much Whenever We Want To offense.'   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 06:14 PM (EST) 24. "Ravens 17, Patriots 16 (3:38 left in 3rd)" 'Watch the heel! Watch the heel!' 'I've been watching Hoodie all day!'   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 06:22 PM (EST) 25. "Ravens 20, Patriots 16 (2:48 left in 3rd)" 'So. Did anyone happen to notice what our special teams ranking was?'   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 06:27 PM (EST) 26. "And it will never haunt them in any way." For those keeping score at home, the Ravens have now penaltied their way out of two interceptions.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Snidget 43862 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 06:31 PM (EST) 27. "RE: And it will never haunt them in any way." Funny how they notice penalties at just those moments.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 06:33 PM (EST) 28. "Patriots 23, Ravens 20 (12:19 left in 4th)" 'Well, that was a nice nap. Time to go out and start running up the score!'   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 06:38 PM (EST) 29. "Minor delay." LAST EDITED ON 01-22-12 AT 06:39 PM (EST) The initial touchdown (Brady QB sneak) was reversed on review, but the Patriots got the score two plays later. So same line, but another thirty seconds or so off the clock.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-23-12, 03:18 AM (EST) 79. "RE: Minor delay." The truth is, this is where I got scared in the game because of the Gronkowski injury. The Patriots have Gronkowski's brother Dan as a backup if they need him -- but they dropped him from the 53-man roster when Sebastian Vollmer came back, which allowed Nate Solder to play the third tight end position. But because Vollmer was inactive for this game, the Patriots needed Solder at RT. That meant that Gronk and Hernandez were the ONLY TWO TIGHT ENDS on the roster. When Gronkowski came back out, he obviously wasn't healthy, and so he was no longer a receiving threat, just an extra blocker. But you can't run a two tight end offense without two tight ends. Since Brady only feels comfortable throwing to Gronkowski, Welker, Hernandez and Deion Branch (who was also hurt), although he will throw to Julian Edelman too (but playing both ways has been wearing Edelman out), this was a huge loss for the Pats' offense. I'm glad there are two weeks for Gronk and Vollmer to recover.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 06:46 PM (EST) 30. "Patriots intercept Flacco..." ...huh. No penalty.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

PepeLePew13 24731 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 06:48 PM (EST) 31. "RE: Patriots intercept Flacco..." Ohhhh, nice interception by the Ravens in the end zone! Tipped by Pollard and it fell nicely to Jimmy Smith for a 40 yard or so return.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 06:50 PM (EST) 32. "U-turn sequence complete --" -- and now the Ravens enter We'd Better Get At Least A @#$% Field Goal mode.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 06:57 PM (EST) 33. "4th and 6 for the Ravens..." Try a 51-yard field goal to tie (when they're 1 of 6 from that rough range this year) or go for it. They go for it. They blow it. A bit under three minutes left in the game. And now the Patriots will enter Screw You mode.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Molaholic 8451 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 07:02 PM (EST) 34. "1:56 Warning" which means about another 45 min. to go.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 07:04 PM (EST) 35. "Delay of script." Except that the Patriots can't get the first down they need. The Ravens get the ball back on their 21 with 1:44 to go. This is where the good (and lucky) ones get it moving,,,   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

PepeLePew13 24731 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 07:10 PM (EST) 36. "WTH!" LAST EDITED ON 01-22-12 AT 07:31 PM (EST) Cundiff shanked an easy 32-yarder wide left to blow the game with 15 seconds left! This would have tied the game and sent it to overtime... instead, the Pats are off to their umpteenth Super Bowl in the last 11 or 12 years. And if Evans had held onto the ball two plays earlier, we wouldn't even had to worry about OT and it would have been the Ravens off to the Super Bowl. ETF: Evans, not Pitta.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 07:13 PM (EST) 37. "..." As sixteen out of sixteen field goal attempts in the fourth quarter becomes sixteen out of seventeen. If anyone has Fester's contact information, please get in touch with him and make sure he's alive.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

cahaya 18904 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 07:19 PM (EST) 40. "*choke*" Cundiff isn't going to sleep easy tonight as the kick replays itself in his nightmares. I'm just curious, though. The next to last pass by Flacco to Evan looked liked a TD with Evans catching the ball and having possession until it got batted out of his hands. It was called incomplete, but just exactly how long does a receiver need to have possession for it to be a TD before it's batted out? Half a second? A second? Two seconds? I'm surprised they didn't review that play.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 07:22 PM (EST) 43. "RE: *choke*" I think the question here is securing the ball. He didn't really look like he had it under his control at any point.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 09:31 PM (EST) 55. "RE: *choke*" You have to be able to complete a normal football move. Had he gotten two feet down with possession, he probably would have been given the catch. But he didn't.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

cahaya 18904 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-23-12, 03:18 PM (EST) 87. "RE: *choke*" LAST EDITED ON 01-23-12 AT 04:19 PM (EST) I took a look at the replay. Both feet are down. The ball is firmly in both hands and up against the lower chest. No bobbling or one-handed business here. It's hard to time, but I think the ball got swatted out of his hands about 0.5 seconds after he made what appears to be a solid catch. Had it not been swatted out, there's nothing to suggest he'd bobble it or drop it. Now if the ball got swatted just as he caught it, no doubt they'd call it incomplete. But that again raises the question, just how long does he have to have possession of the ball for it to count as a catch before someone swats it out of his hands? (eta) Have another look for yourself here. The best replay angle is at the 11:04 mark. (eta again) SI's King's remarks on this play... 2. Should the replay assistant, Mark Burns, have stopped the game for a replay review on the Lee Evans catch/non-catch in the end zone with 27 seconds left? I thought so. Mike Pereira on FOX and a league statement both had Burns acting properly, but my question is: What's the rush? That's a season-altering play right there, the difference between making the Super Bowl or going home for the winter. I've watched it 10 or 12 times now and it looks very close -- though it certainly would have been difficult to overturn even if you thought it appeared that Evans had two feet down and exhibited clear possession. I just thought the gravity of the situation should have mandated a review. God knows the game is stopped for elbows hitting the ground and 12 inches of real estate on poor spots. "I'm surprised they didn't look at it,'' said John Harbaugh. As am I. Now, for the many of you wanting to crucify Evans for the play: I don't. Should he have lock-gripped the ball to prevent stripping? Yes, of course. But New England cornerback Sterling Moore has a job to do there too, and that job is to chop down on the hands of Evans as soon as the ball is in his grasp. Evans didn't have time to secure it well enough -- though it's obviously going to be a play that will tear at him for years. Evans went to Baltimore after a career of frustration in Buffalo, just hoping he could get to a Super Bowl. He had that Super Bowl trip in his hands, and he had it stripped away. I agree, it at least warranted a review, although it would have likely not been overturned.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-24-12, 01:54 AM (EST) 88. "RE: *choke*" LAST EDITED ON 01-24-12 AT 02:35 AM (EST) You know, stopping for a replay of what appears to be a straightforward play just because of "the gravity of the situation" is one of the reasons that owners voted down instant replay in the first place. Hey, why don't we review every single play? You know, any play could be so important that the season could turn on it. I've always thought Peter King was an overpaid moron. It's unfortunate to see him prove it. Edited to add: Watched the replay again. When Evans catches the ball, neither foot is down. He gets the right foot down easily. But the ball is stripped out just as the left foot comes down. That would not be a catch anywhere on the field. Sorry.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

cahaya 18904 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-24-12, 02:10 AM (EST) 90. "RE: *choke*" I often disagree with King's assessments, but this isn't one of them. A game-deciding TD catch or no catch with 27 seconds left? At least, I thought it deserved a second look. It was a pivotal play that decided the outcome of the game at the end. Nice defense there, by the way, to actually get the swat on the ball and get the call to prevent the TD. It's not my intention to lessen that.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

HobbsofMI 15959 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-23-12, 02:49 PM (EST) 84. "RE: *choke*" Ask Calvin Johnson and any Lions fan vs. any Bears fan. I don't know what a catch is anymore. sig Syren, bouncy by IceCat, bobble head by Tribephyl, and snoglobe by agman   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-23-12, 03:04 PM (EST) 85. "RE: *choke*" I think that's just about the point. It's the same definition as a strike: it happens when the official says it does. Any standard you think you can question that by exists only to make the commissioner laugh.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 07:20 PM (EST) 42. "RE: WTH!" > And if Pitta(?) had held onto the ball on the previous play, >we wouldn't even had to worry about OT and it >would have been the Ravens off to the Super Bowl. It was Lee Evans. Now you know why the Bills let him go.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Max Headroom 10028 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 07:34 PM (EST) 46. "RE: WTH!" Mike Vanderjagt is still in the NFL? That kick looked just like one of his. Cahaya will get this reference, anyway.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

PepeLePew13 24731 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 08:19 PM (EST) 49. "RE: WTH!" I think Peyton still owns the copyright to the words, "idiot kicker who got liquored-up".   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 07:16 PM (EST) 38. "Dear Baltimore," Please don't kill the kicker. He is doing the best he can. P.S. Thanks for two weeks of the world's least informative press conferences. Thank you oh so very much. Nevermore.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 07:18 PM (EST) 39. "Act II: Giants vs. 49ers." Dear Brave, Bring it, beyotch. P.S. We're going to get our butts kicked.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Snidget 43862 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 07:20 PM (EST) 41. "Did I hear that right.." Trophy presentation. Patriots: out on the field in front of everybody Ravens: Hidden away in the locker room so people can be bad sports without being interrupted by having to see anyone else win. Is this typical?   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 07:23 PM (EST) 44. "RE: Did I hear that right.." And you would trust a stadium full of frustrated fans how much? This feels like it's for player safety more than anything else.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Snidget 43862 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 08:30 PM (EST) 50. "RE: Did I hear that right.." So for the final championship games only those rich enough to afford not to care can get tickets? I know there are going to be disappointed people and they do serve alcohol, but I've never heard them announce that people only get the trophy in a locker room before. I haven't paid enough attention to notice if that is typical, or just in certain stadiums.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 07:25 PM (EST) 45. "Welcome to Candlestick." Take a close look at the wind forecast. What you just saw is a lie.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 07:42 PM (EST) 47. "Too late." The picture just flashed black a few times. I think a FOX executive saw the Muhammad Ali speech and tried to cut if off a little too late. By Faux News standards, he's a terrorist.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 08:05 PM (EST) 48. "49ers 7, Giants 0. (about 7:00 left in 1st)" One play, seventy-three yards, and fifteen yards on the kickoff because upsportsmanlike conduct penalties are just so much fun! So for those needing a reminder of the Giants defensive ranking noted in Ayak's launch post, that was it.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 08:35 PM (EST) 51. "49ers 7, Giants 7 (11:15 left in 2nd)" LAST EDITED ON 01-22-12 AT 08:48 PM (EST) Well, this is old school. 49ers: 'We will create quick-strike scores where your arm falls off before you realize you were ever cut.' Giants: 'We will go on drives so long that Phil is waiting out the delay on another network.'   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Snidget 43862 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 08:44 PM (EST) 52. "RE: 49ers 7, Giants 7 (11:15 left in 2nd)" Giants: 'We will go on drives so long that Phil is waiting out the delay on another network.' *gigglesnort*   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-23-12, 01:12 AM (EST) 74. "RE: 49ers 7, Giants 7 (11:15 left in 2nd)" My, did this turn out to be prophetic.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 08:49 PM (EST) 53. "Unfair catch." Wonder what he wants to do after football. Also known as 'In about forty seconds.'   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 09:18 PM (EST) 54. "Halftme: Giants 10, 49ers 7. " So no one on the Giants can count to three. Good to know.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 09:50 PM (EST) 56. "49ers 14, Giants 10 (5:18 left in 3rd)" LAST EDITED ON 01-23-12 AT 01:13 AM (EST) Leaps & bounds or nothing at all... This is starting to feel like a very strange game. I keep waiting for a turnover. And I keep waiting for the Giants to be the ones who give it up. Back and forth, three-and-outs, stalled drives -- but no sudden exchanges. At some point, someone has to fumble. As for feeling like a very long game -- too late.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-23-12, 01:14 AM (EST) 75. "RE: 49ers 14, Giants 10 (5:18 left in 3rd)" At some point, someone has to fumble. Pretty much, yeah... *goes out to pay stupidity tax* Do the lottery balls go up to 88?   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 10:05 PM (EST) 57. "*thud*" ohcrap Waiting... ...waiting... ...he's shaking his head, that's a good sign... ...there we go: legs are moving. Bringing out the board as a possible stabilizer, but they may not use it. He's talking to people -- -- and there we go: he's up and walking off the field. *exhales*   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 10:13 PM (EST) 58. "Defensive idiocy: fifteen yards." So that's one no-brain-activity penalty for each team -- but I'm trying to convince myself the NY one didn't unpack the coffin kit from the box and ram in the first nail. When they're jumping that many yards in a shot, you don't need to give them a mini-hop as a Have A Good Time In Indy gift. Fifteen minutes left.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 10:31 PM (EST) 59. "The knee." And there's the turnover -- on a successful Charisma-Free Challenge. The 49ers messed up on a punt, the refs messed up the initial call, and the replays made what had happened too clear to ignore and keep your job. The Giants need something right now. Preferably a touchdown, but a field goal at least gives them -- well, not much long-term, but at least they got away with something... Completed pass on third down. First one after eight failed attempts. The challenge was the first win after eight failed attempts... ...and there's offensive holding. Minus ten yards. *groan* Suddenly it's November. Incomplete pass. Second and twenty. Third and fourteen... ...touchdown, Manning to Manningham. Giants 17, 49ers 14. 8:34 remaining. That score -- looks very familiar... *shaky*   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Snidget 43862 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 10:36 PM (EST) 60. "RE: The knee." At least they are trying to make it interesting enough to keep me awake... *nods* I'm awake, no really *yawn* I started the ECST for Idol, but I'm not even going to try to watch it. Really want to see the end of this game, but may not make it. *swats at sandman*   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 10:42 PM (EST) 62. "RE: The knee." I may not try to watch either. Following this game with AI might win FOX a visit from the Red Cross.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 10:41 PM (EST) 61. "And within seeming seconds:" A big kickoff return, Smith runs, another stupid penalty, some big yardage chunks, and the 49ers score a field goal to make it 17-17 with 5:38 to go. I'm pretty sure I caught this show last week.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 11:08 PM (EST) 63. "Overtime," My team is trying to kill me. Three possessions in the last few minutes. Three. And if it wasn't for one big pass, it would have average out to about three yards per possession. And now it comes down to the new overtime rules and quite possibly a coin flip. They should go back to calling it sudden death. It was more accurate. The 49ers punter has been magnificent. The Giants punter has svcked.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Snidget 43862 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 11:13 PM (EST) 64. "RE: Overtime," Am I the only one thinking that if they hadn't scheduled AI after this in an hour FOX never has programming that they would have ended on time and in regulation. As soon as they found out there was a show to delay they were determined to make sure they ran over by the maximum number of minutes.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

moonbaby 17013 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 11:13 PM (EST) 65. "As if on cue" the sky opens up and it rains a ridiculous amount of rain. I love this!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

PepeLePew13 24731 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 11:32 PM (EST) 66. "Good question:" "They call it 'sudden death' ... so why do they bother using a clock?" (as seen on one of the chat blogs)   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 11:37 PM (EST) 70. "Easy answer:" So the doctor can call time of death.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 11:34 PM (EST) 67. "The fumble." The Giants just recovered a 49ers-fumbled punt return on the 49ers 24-yard line. Close, so close -- but the Candlestick winds are swirling, this may not be close enough, they could theoretically try a kick right here but they've got to move... Bradshaw running. Up to the 16. Second and two. Ahmad again. Down to the 10. First down. I keep picturing Giants fumbling wet balls. Interceptions. All the things they have to avoid at all costs... Ahmad. He's all they've got. Down to the six. Eli drops on purpose to center the ball. Two attempts: third down, then fourth if necessary. Twenty-six yard attempt. -- and there's the timeout -- no. *blink* Delay of game, Giants? Make that thirty-one yards... ...timeout, 49ers. Insanity is prevailing. Can we get it to Tynes now? Here it comes...   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

cahaya 18904 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 11:41 PM (EST) 73. "RE: The fumble." LAST EDITED ON 01-22-12 AT 11:42 PM (EST) Like, *whew* Get an unnecessary 5-yard penalty for delay of game to make it 31 yards instead of 26, with Manning running to the coach to warn him. Then the usual ice time out by SF. And... Tynes nails it.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-24-12, 01:57 AM (EST) 89. "RE: The fumble." Notice that Belichick didn't call the "ice" timeout. And not calling the timeout proved to be important in the game. Maybe the ice timeout shouldn't be usual.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

cahaya 18904 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-24-12, 02:12 AM (EST) 91. "RE: The fumble." Someone did a stat check on this some time back and determined that it had no statistical effect at all (within the usual confidence intervals with a large sample size).   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 11:35 PM (EST) 68. "Super Bowl Forty-Six: The Rematch." *faints*   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Max Headroom 10028 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 11:37 PM (EST) 69. "RE: Super Bowl Forty-Six: The Rematch." Should be a great game. It's going to be really exciting around here the next two weeks.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

moonbaby 17013 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 11:37 PM (EST) 71. "Yay!"   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-22-12, 11:40 PM (EST) 72. "Insta-line prediction." Patriots giving eight. Hoodie will be going for sixty.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-23-12, 03:09 AM (EST) 78. "RE: Insta-line prediction." I think the Patriots are happy to be playing indoors. Brady has looked increasingly sensitive to cold as he's aged . . . and especially since the knee injury. That won't be an issue in Indy.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

PepeLePew13 24731 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-23-12, 07:47 AM (EST) 80. "Good morning..." ... Lee Evans, Billy Cundiff and Kyle Williams. Did you guys sleep well last night? You too, John Harbaugh. "It didn't occur to me to call a timeout." Really? Your kicker is sprinting in from the sidelines at mid-field and your linemen and holder are all frantically moving around to get set up, and the snap came at one second left in the play clock. And you didn't think it would be good to let your kicker and line get settled in and lower their heartbeats a bit with mere seconds left on the clock and a timeout to burn? Don't get me wrong, Cundiff fully earned his goat horns and he'll be the one remembered for years to come for missing this kick, but I think Harbaugh deserves at least a honourable mention for not thinking this would be a good time to call a timeout. Give your kicker a chance to get his bearings straightened instead of having to kick a few short seconds after sprinting in from midfield.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-23-12, 11:09 AM (EST) 82. "RE: Good morning..." "It didn't occur to me to call a timeout." At least he showed up and said something. From what I heard during the Giants postgame radio show, his brother slammed the door on the press and refused to come out.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

jbug 16685 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-23-12, 01:08 PM (EST) 83. "RE: Good morning..." I hope Kyle Williams didn't get a wink of sleep. that is all.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

trigirl 2844 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest" 01-25-12, 05:43 PM (EST) 92. "Williams" Still cannot talk about it!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Max Headroom 10028 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-23-12, 09:09 AM (EST) 81. "What a great story line." We can root for The Other Manning and against Hoodie and the Evil Empire. Should be a fun two weeks!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-23-12, 03:05 PM (EST) 86. "Running mosiac game(s) diary." http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7493119/the-grantland-staff-discusses-afc-nfc-championship-games Not PG-13. Not even close.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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