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"Ep. 5.6: 316"
Nope, that's not a typo. The title is really "316." What does it mean? I've got my ideas: John 3:16 seems like a likely reference. Other than that, I got nothin'.

The way back to the island is revealed to members of the Oceanic 6, but there's trouble ahead when not all of them wish to return.

Guest starring: Fionnula Flanagan as Eloise Hawking, Jeff Fahey as Frank Lapidus, Said Taghmaoui as Caesar, Zuleikha Robinson as Ilana, Mary Mara as Jill, Raymond J. Barry as Ray, Kavita Patil as Rupa Krishnavani, P. D. Mani as Nabil, Rebecca Hazlewood as Nalini, Patti Hastie as barfly, Glen Bailey as magician and Ned Van Zandt as Mr. Dorsey.

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 RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 pinksparkleguitar 02-17-09 1
 RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 zombiebaby 02-18-09 2
 RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 trigirl 02-18-09 3
 RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 batts 02-18-09 4
 RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 Meemo 02-18-09 5
   RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 michel 02-18-09 7
       RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 Devious Weasel 02-19-09 8
           Dude... dabo 02-19-09 9
               RE: Dude... Devious Weasel 02-19-09 11
                   RE: Dude... dabo 02-19-09 25
       RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 zombiebaby 02-19-09 12
       RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 Corvis 02-19-09 30
           RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 zombiebaby 02-19-09 31
               RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 Corvis 02-19-09 37
           Caesar trigirl 02-19-09 40
       RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 esquire 02-19-09 57
           RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 dragonflies 02-20-09 69
               RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 zombiebaby 02-20-09 70
                   RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 mrc 02-20-09 71
 RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 BriarRosie 02-18-09 6
   RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 dabo 02-19-09 10
   RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 Devious Weasel 02-19-09 51
 Dweeze! zombiebaby 02-19-09 13
 I'm lost Breezy 02-19-09 14
   oh and Breezy 02-19-09 15
       pssst zombiebaby 02-19-09 16
           RE: pssst Breezy 02-19-09 17
           RE: pssst dragonflies 02-19-09 18
               RE: pssst zombiebaby 02-19-09 20
                   RE: pssst Breezy 02-19-09 21
                   RE: pssst michel 02-19-09 24
                       RE: pssst Devious Weasel 02-19-09 26
                           RE: pssst Breezy 02-19-09 28
                               RE: pssst Devious Weasel 02-19-09 32
                                   RE: pssst Breezy 02-19-09 34
                                       RE: pssst zombiebaby 02-19-09 38
                                           RE: pssst weltek 02-20-09 65
                       RE: pssst zombiebaby 02-19-09 29
                           RE: pssst Farmie 02-19-09 46
                               RE: pssst dragonflies 02-19-09 54
   RE: I'm lost sisyphus 02-19-09 49
 RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 zombiebaby 02-19-09 19
   RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 Breezy 02-19-09 22
       RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 zombiebaby 02-19-09 23
           RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 Devious Weasel 02-19-09 27
           RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 BrassFan 02-23-09 74
               RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 Corvis 02-24-09 77
 RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 mrc 02-19-09 33
   RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 Breezy 02-19-09 35
       RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 dragonflies 02-19-09 55
   RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 zombiebaby 02-19-09 36
   Aaron/Kate thought weltek 02-20-09 66
 RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 trigirl 02-19-09 39
   RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 zombiebaby 02-19-09 42
   RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 pinksparkleguitar 02-19-09 53
   RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 weltek 02-20-09 67
   RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 BrassFan 02-23-09 75
 Dharma - 30 Years Ago trigirl 02-19-09 41
   RE: Dharma - 30 Years Ago zombiebaby 02-19-09 43
 Hurley's Graphic Novel Devious Weasel 02-19-09 44
   RE: Hurley's Graphic Novel zombiebaby 02-19-09 45
       RE: Hurley's Graphic Novel Devious Weasel 02-19-09 48
 Pondering these things: pinksparkleguitar 02-19-09 47
   RE: Pondering these things: Devious Weasel 02-19-09 50
       RE: Pondering these things: MPVLOST 02-19-09 52
           RE: Pondering these things: Breezy 02-19-09 56
           RE: Pondering these things: trigirl 02-19-09 58
           RE: Pondering these things: michel 02-19-09 62
               RE: Pondering these things: trigirl 02-19-09 63
                   RE: Pondering these things: michel 02-20-09 64
   #5 moonbaby 02-20-09 72
 RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 CTgirl 02-19-09 59
   RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 zombiebaby 02-19-09 60
       RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 CTgirl 02-19-09 61
           RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 weltek 02-20-09 68
   RE: Ep. 5.6: 316 gatortod 02-20-09 73
       Revenge? weltek 02-23-09 76
           Gah! zombiebaby 02-24-09 78
               RE: Gah! trigirl 02-24-09 79
                   RE: Rabbit? skyhoneybear 02-24-09 80

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1. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
The commercial preview I saw last night had Kate saying to Jack something like 'You're not going back without me' and then kissing him. Of course it could be clever editing to make it look more exciting or to be deliberately misleading but . . .

Husband and I were quite shocked at the preview seeing as how Kate is deadset against going back to the island as far as we know. What could happen in an hour that would change her mind so drastically?

I'm excited for the episode already!



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2. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
LAST EDITED ON 02-18-09 AT 07:59 AM (EST)

This epsiode was originally supposed to air next week before the break. They switched this with "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham" which is next weeks. TPTB have said that they thought this was better shown first. Maybe more of a cliffhanger in next weeks episode?

316 there have been many references to. Remember Ecko's stick? *giggle* "Look north John 3:16".

My guess it is another title that plays on BOTH the bible verse and a way back either through coordinates or a flight number. Another dual meaning title.



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3. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
Had to look it up.....

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Eternal life...Caton Ranier (re-incarnation)...

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4. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
Funniest quote of the episode....

Wait a sec.. We're not going to Guam... are we?

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5. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
A quick thought from the episode:

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Ben said he had to keep a promise to a friend... and then shows up shaken and battered later on.

Me thinks the promise was the one he made to Widmore... to kill his daughter. Obviously, Desmond would have had something to say about that, but I'm thinking we find out Penny doesn't fare well in the near future.


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7. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
I was thinking Ben had a very busy night getting Hurley out of jail, having Sayid arrested AND extradited while finding a way to convince Kate to come along. Not sure where killing Penny fits in that schedule!

(Blackmailing Kate by kidnapping Aaron is the only thing I could think of that would convince her and cause her to order Jack never to ask about Aaron).

That was the first episode in a long time that I didn't like. This was the episode that we were waiting for to get answers and they cheated us out of all of them. Everyone appeared on the plane and we were left with a leap of faith that it could happen. Poor writing if you want my opinion.


Did I hear Ben tell Jack that his mother taught him how to read? The mother that died giving birth to him? Was it a writer's mistake? In this episode, it wouldn't surprise me but it could have been a joke from Ben.

Now, did any other Ajira passengers survive? If so, which of the Losties were survivors of the other expedition that had used Oceanic 815 to return to the island with Jack's dad as their proxy? It seems we're in a loop. I hope that isn't the final answer, that the series ends with another crash.

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8. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
Ben was clearly trying to get to Penny; with any luck, he failed. And certainly, his demeanor when he's calling from the docks was more failure Ben than triumphant Ben. As for the "my mother taught me" - it was clearly another example of Ben deflecting before answering a question. I'm sure they're jokes to Ben, even if no one else finds them funny (though I did find it funny).

I don't think we're just supposed to assume everyone got on the plane because of a leap of faith - I think we're supposed to assume that we will get the answers over the course of the rest of the season. I also don't know what answers we were supposed to get that we were cheated out of; I don't feel cheated in the slightest.

Locke was the proxy for Christian Shepard. I don't think Christian was the proxy for anyone; I think eventually we'll see that he had been to the island before.

I think Aaron is with his grandmother - she's still in Los Angeles. I think Kate is there not because of anything Ben has done, but because she loves Jack and loves Sawyer. I also think Kate is probably why Hurley is there. If Ben had anything to do with Hurley being on the plane, Hurley wouldn't have been so angry/surprised to see him on the plane. Ben did get Hurley out of jail - we found that out last week when Ben was talking to his lawyer.

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9. "Dude..."
How could Hurley buy all those seats if he's supposed to be, you know, twilight zone?

To be honest, I gave up long ago on this show ever making sense, but it is still an interesting characters study.

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11. "RE: Dude..."
LAST EDITED ON 02-19-09 AT 07:37 AM (EST)

Going to assume by twilight zone you mean crazy and not in some other dimension where Rod Serling is always doing voiceovers. I don't think we're supposed to assume Hurley is crazy - he sees dead people, but that hardly counts for crazy on this show. And other than that, he's always acted as or even more lucidly than any other character.

He's also been the emotional heart of the show, at least among the main characters. If anyone's first instinct is going to be "other people are going to try be on that plane and I am in a position to try and prevent that", it's Hurley.

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25. "RE: Dude..."
What I meant was he's an escapee from a psychiatric hospital where he was placed by the law. Maybe his dad bought all those seats, Hurley himself shouldn't have access to those funds.
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12. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
I think we are supposed to see parallels here to the pilot episode. Another type of loop. A bunch of people get on a plane, yet they still have secrets.

How did Hurley know.
Why is Sayid getting extradited to Guam? It's US right?
Where is Aaron? Grandma? Did Kate get a visit from Claire again?
Sun. What did she say to her family?
Ben. Did he visit Penny and Desmond? Is Widmore in on this all?

I think it sets up the rest of the series for answering those questions. It's only the early middle of the season and they are back!

Plus? We did get answers. We learned about the island and how it moves through time and space. We learned Dharma has an off island station! We learned Jack has a grandfather(great casting).

As for the Ben remark. That was clearly a typical Ben being flippant remark meant for comedy.

I thought it was a great, great episode!


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30. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
LAST EDITED ON 02-19-09 AT 09:47 AM (EST)

"Now, did any other Ajira passengers survive?"

There's one that has to have survived from the way they showed him over and over again. I think he was at the airport and sitting in first class with the Oceanic 6, now 5 (glad they left Aaron home). Dark hair, I think he had a goatee...

ETA:

This guy, whose name is Caesar apparently.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Caesar

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31. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
The guy who, like Sayid did once upon a time, offer Jack his condolences at the ticketing counter!
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37. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
Oh, I forgot about that!

Hmm, maybe that's the only reason we saw him then.

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40. "Caesar"
He got too much face time and Hurley did tell him to buckle his seat-belt....we will see him again.

Unless....of course the plane did not really crash and they just got caught in a "Time Flash".

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57. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"

>(Blackmailing Kate by kidnapping Aaron is
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>order Jack never to ask
>about Aaron).

I am assuming that Kate didn;t want Aaron back on the island and Ben somehow found a way to convince kate she had to go back to the island (i.e., to save sawyer). So, she gave him up to someone else to raise

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69. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
Remember Claire showed up to Kate one night and told her not to bring Aaron back to the island.
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70. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
No she actually didn't

She said "Don't you dare bring him back!". Never said Aaron. She could have been referring to anyone, such as Locke, Jack, maybe even Ben(or of course Aaron).

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71. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
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Zombs is right--she only said "him," not "Aaron."

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6. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
Actually, I thought there was a better quote, a glib comment that showed that Ben would lie about ANYTHING.

When Jack asked Ben how he could read on the plane, Ben answered that his mother taught him. We know that's not possible because she died in childbirth. And when Eloise confirmed that Ben was lying about not knowing about the Lamp Post station, we know Ben lies about just about everything.

When I heard of the station name, I immediately thought of Narnia, and The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. The children see a lamp post after discovering Narnia.

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10. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
Ben also regards the island as, symbolically of course, his mother.
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51. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
Was that the conversation where Jack asked Eloise "Is he telling the truth?" and she responded "Does he ever?"
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13. "Dweeze!"
LAST EDITED ON 02-19-09 AT 08:36 AM (EST)

Remember way back in the first season you brought up the number of car crashes and how they all appeared to be the same car? You had screen caps and all? (It might have been TJ but I think it was you.)

Did you get a glance at next week's previews? They replayed the Locke crash with the gold type car. Was that Locke crashing into himself? If not we could get an answer to that!!!


What if Locke after turning ended up 20 years prior to Oceanic crashing or at least sometime prior to the first crash?

ETA Link!

http://community.realitytvworld.com/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/rtvw2/community/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=181&forum=DCForumID77&archive=yes#28


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14. "I'm lost"
Was there a midweek episode that I missed?

Last night's episode made no sense to me at all. Why was Kate there? Where's Aaron? Why was Hurley there? Who told him what flight to me on? How did Sayid get arrested? For what? Why is he being flown to Guam?

*sits in corner and sulks over bad episode*

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15. "oh and"
Where did Jin get that van and the suit?

*pouts more*

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16. "pssst"

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Hee!

Oh and maybe the plane crashed back at the height of the Dharma Initiative on the island. That's where Jin, Juliet, Sawyer et al are stuck once Locke turned the wheel. They might have "joined" up with them to survive.

I think that we are being set up to go the flashback route again with the characters.

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17. "RE: pssst"
*pout* Ok. But I was very upset last night. But I see now what you're saying about the flashbacks/forwards to show us the whys.
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18. "RE: pssst"
I think it is funny that after being patient for so long, and getting many answers over time, many of us (me included) were really disappointed by this latest episode that gave us some general answers but also left lots of open questions.

This was probably the first episode that I actively didn't like. After complaining about it, DH reminded me that this is what LOST does. Maybe after getting so many answers we have forgotten that in seasons past every episode created more questions?


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20. "RE: pssst"
I could see be upset without many answers if it was the last season. But again...middle of the 5th season! I was not spoiled so I was suprised that they even got back to the island before the upcoming break! To me, them back on the island is far ahead of when I expected.


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21. "RE: pssst"
I was shocked they're back on the island already too. I figured that would have been this season's ending. Them getting back to the island.
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24. "RE: pssst"
"To me, them back on the island is far ahead of when I expected"

Which is precisely why I didn't like the episode. The season was suppose to build-up to Ben, Jack and Locke's efforts to get all of them back and that build-uo has been growing since the end of Season 3!! Now, they are back and we have no way of knowing how it happened. It just did.

I don't like buying without seeing what I'm buying and it seems that the writers have sold me some bad tasting Kool-Aid I'm supposed to swallow. It is season 5, only 1 to go, and there are plenty of mysteries on the island to solve. The mysteries in LA should have been resolved.


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26. "RE: pssst"
What mysteries in LA? How they get back to the island, and why they each get on the plane, is nowhere near as important as what happens once they get back. That's the sort of info that can be shown through flashback once characters are on the island.
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28. "RE: pssst"
I disagree. I think it's huge that Kate and Sayid were on that plane and I wanted to know the why. Also how Hurley knew to be on that plane if Ben or Jack didn't tell him.
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32. "RE: pssst"
I'm not saying it's unimportant, I'm just saying it's not as important as what's going to happen now on the island. We can reveal the why's and how's of everyone else through flashback.
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34. "RE: pssst"
Last night was just too chopped, it was like we missed half the story or something. I'll just chalk it up to the one bad episode a season they're allowed.
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38. "RE: pssst"
While I really liked this episode(loved the coincidences again!) I do agree that the writing was not up to the rest of the episodes. There definately were bits that had to be overlooked and it was a bit choppy.

I think what was choppy was even the way they started the episode. I'm willing to bet the writers have been "dying" to use Jack waking up in the jungle again and it's not a dream. Not sure if it should have come just yet. I definately don't think they needed to replay the whole scene again at the end. I'm a sucker though and still liked it.

In this season with 4 superb episodes this one did fall short. However I think it was far stronger than a Season 2 episode!

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65. "RE: pssst"
That was my only complaint about this episode-why show the opening sequence when they did? It could've waited until the end.


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29. "RE: pssst"
I don't know if this makes a difference but remember that this episode was originally supposed to come after the upcoming one.
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I'm thinking the same, Zombiebaby...think we'll get more answers next week about why and how everyone got on the plane.

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I hope so. I just feel like it was disjointed. Not giving up yet though, or even close.
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49. "RE: I'm lost"
Last night's episode was very good...and as always confusing..but as I was reading your post something did pop into my mind....Ms. Hawkins told jack they had to recreate the original plane using the six or as many as possible...Now, I have no idea how hurley got there.....maybe charlie told him...nor why kate changed her mind...again,maybe claire told her....sayid on the other hand new...and just like john being a proxy for christian....I think sayid is in the position that kate was in with the federal marshall, and with handcuffs....the destination is really not important....it is the route the plane will take that is important....
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19. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
1. WWII photos at the Lampost had a date of 9/23/54.

2. We found out why Christian had white tennis shoes! (small mystery but still one more is answered!)

3. How did that letter get out of the coffin?

4. Why was Kate all zombie like?

5. Thomas the apostle. Are all the Toms we have had been apostles? Followers?

6. What if the Oceanic 815 crash was a recreation of another crash to try and get back to the island? Following? Christian had to die, he needed other people to fill in the roles that he was originally there. Maybe it wasn't a plane crash but an boat crash or something, was he in the army?

7. If they are all in the past now before Ben purges DI does he know that they are there? Does he need a list of names everytime something crashes to see if it is anyone returning?
Is that where some people have disappeared? Kind of like how Jack, Kate and Hurley disappeared from the Ajira crash?



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22. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
3. The Stewardess told Jack security found it when they examined his cargo.
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23. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
Ahhh missed it..thanks!

Also do you think Jack's grandfather is "in on it"? He must be. That was a pretty random scene after not mentioning him before. Plus he was packed and had Christian's shoes!

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27. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
He's been mentioned, at least in one of the Webisodes, but never seen. Christian tells Jack on his wedding day that his father never liked Jack's mother.
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74. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
>Also do you think Jack's grandfather
>is "in on it"?
>He must be. That
>was a pretty random scene
>after not mentioning him before.
> Plus he was packed
>and had Christian's shoes!


There's a theory floating out there, that makes some sense, that Jack's grandfather is actually Jack.

When they get back to the island, it seems like they are in the 1970's. If they get off the island and back into the real world in the 70's...then by 2007, Jack would be in his 70's.

So, the 70-something year old Jack knows that his younger self needs the shoes to give to Locke...so, he arranges the escape so that the staff will call younger Jack...so he can "find" the shoes.

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77. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
Oh my god, my head hurts.

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33. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
Others have hit most of my observations, but here goes:

1. My DW pointed out the C.S. Lewis reference to the Dharma station. I was really interested in seeing more of that map on the floor.

2. The crash of the plane was accompanied by a flash and the sound of the smoke monster.

3. Aaron's absence was a little strange. Why was he let off the hook of going back? Will it make a difference?

4. Where were Ben, Sayid, and Frank after the crash?

5. Was it actually a crash?

6. The guy sitting in first class with the O5+Ben looked familiar? Have we seen him before? Is he important?

7. Ditto the gal accompanying Sayid.

8. Jin in the Dharma outfit was pretty cool.

9. Hurley brought a guitar along in memory of Charlie.

I like zombs' speculation about the car crashes. From our past discussions, I've always wondered if there was a significance to them.

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35. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
7. She looked a lot like Anna Lucia.
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55. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
I thought so too. DH thought she was the pilot of that helicopter.
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36. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
I think they are "echoing" the original crash and the Sayid's marshall reminded me a touch of Ana Lucia. I think Ceasar(see Corvis' post above) might be an echo of Sayid.

I did not catch the sound of the smoke monster! I did see the flash of light though.

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66. "Aaron/Kate thought"
Ben tells/proves Claire is still alive. Kate has to turn over Aaron to someone (Claire's mother?) and now is so distraught that she wants to go leave the 'real world' forever...and was also maybe told Sawyer is alive?


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39. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
I can't believe that you guys think we didn't get answers. It was a GREAT episode.

Hurley didn't bring the guitar in honour of Charlie....he brought it because Charlie told him to bring it. That was the clue for the audience...so that we would know it was Charlie who told Hurley what to do. Loved how he bought all the standby seats!

The look of surprise on Sayid's face and his arrest indicate that he was set-up. That is definitely Ben.

Ben was calling from a marina. He absolutely was there to kill Penny. Whether he succeeded or not is the only mystery.

Jack's grandfather wants to go to a better place. Hmmm...can you say "The Island"? How much do you bet he was stationed at that island with the American Military.

I'm not sure why Kate was in zombie-mode. I think that she left Aaron with Clementine and Cassidy (Sawyer's baby-momma).

Ben is reading "Ulysses"...not even sure where to begin there.

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42. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
I'm thinking Widemore has his hand in either Hurley, Sun or Kate being there. Most likely all of them. Hurley had a bunch of things in his hand didn't he? I'm wondering if the guitar and the violin are related. Is that why Danielle's team crashed too? musician, pregnant lady?

Was there a dog on board?

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53. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
Ben is reading "Ulysses"...not even sure where to begin there.

from Bibliomania(for those of us, like myself, who needed a refresher):

'Ulysses is usually deemed to be Joyce’s greatest achievement, and it is the zenith of modernist writing in the novel form but is barely recognizable as a novel or as any other kind of writing. It brings together anecdotes, journalistic writing, drama, questionnaire, bawdy episodes, stream of consciousness writing, arachaisms, neologisms and - surprisingly - more.

It was serialized first in the Little Review in 1918 and published first in Paris in 1922, although its censorship for obscenity in America and England were not lifted until the mid-1930s.

In terms of its story it defies abridgement or explanation except that it all takes place on one day, 16 June 1904, or ‘Bloomsday’, which was the anniversary of Joyce’s first walk with his beloved Nora Barnacle. It (very) loosely follows the episodes of Ulysses from the Odyssey of Homer though in a reordered form, with Stephen Dedalus representing Telemachus, Leopold Bloom Ulysses and Molly Bloom Penelope. The central characters explore various sites and happenings around Dublin such as a newspaper office, a brothel, a funeral, and public houses. It is an immense achievement of innovation or a confusing mess depending on one’s opinion, but regardless it is an extraordinary reading experience.'

Interesting sidenotes: There is also a Ulysses, Kansas in the extreme Southwest of the state, and a NASA satellite mission name Ulysses, which is studying the sun and solar wind output.


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67. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
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I 100% agree Charlie told Hurley he had to come back...and (maybe in disagreement with you?) to bring a guitar because Charlie would be there and be alive when he returned.

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75. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
>Ben was calling from a marina.
> He absolutely was there
>to kill Penny. Whether
>he succeeded or not is
>the only mystery.

Exactly...Ben was at a marina, austensibly to keep a promise he made to an old friend.

So, it's obvious that he was there to kill Penny.

Which means...he wasn't out trying to kill Penny...

Or can anyone point to something that was so obviously hinted at in the history of this show that turned out to be exactly what was expected.

I don't think the marina had anything to do with Des/Penny. Trying to infuse some storyline logic...Des/Penny are on a boat in England. They need to get to L.A., so they sail across the Atlantic, thru the Gulf of Mexico, and through the Panama canal...This would cost them somewhere in the neighborhood of $500 in canal tolls...plus the extra cost of sailing that far. Wouldn't it make much more sense for them to sail to New York or Miami...and then fly to L.A.?

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41. "Dharma - 30 Years Ago"
LAST EDITED ON 02-19-09 AT 01:17 PM (EST)

If you can't beat them...join them. Go Jin!

Remember we have seen\heard Daniel with Dharma two times. Once when the Orchid is being built. The other time when he tried to warn Pierre Change about the purge.

Dharma Video

The Losties have got to stop Ben this time.

Edited to add:

Daniel has been in the Old Dharma Time Zone three times. That would be around the time that he met a young Charlotte and tried to scare her off.

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43. "RE: Dharma - 30 Years Ago"
I'm wondering if FAraday turns the wheel while they are in the past to get the island back in 2004 and ends up around where we saw him crying at the mention of the wreckage being found.
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44. "Hurley's Graphic Novel"
Hurley was reading one of the trade paperbacks of Y: The Last Man (though he was reading the Spanish translation), a series about a plague that wipes out all men on Earth except for one. The particular volume he was reading told - well, here's the summary from MTV's Splash Page:

The third volume of Vaughan’s hit series focused on several astronauts returning to an Earth that has changed in very drastic and mysterious ways since they left it, and various factions on the ground racing to receive the new arrivals.

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45. "RE: Hurley's Graphic Novel"
I heard that the writer of this writes for Lost too?
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Yep. He's been on the writing staff since Season 3, I think.

He's not the writer of this episode, though. The episode was written by Cuse and Lindelof, the two producers who write all the big episodes.

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47. "Pondering these things:"
1. I'm wondering about Aaron. The only think I can think of that would change Kate's mind so drastically might be Claire appearing to her, telling her she had to go back, but not with Aaron? Or had to give Aaron to the grandmother?

2. Locke seems to be a Jesus-like character. Having to sacrifice himself for the good of the island, and the other people. Next week, it seems we see how all that went down. And because he's taking on this Christ-esque role, I fully anticipate him coming back from the dead. This also fits all the John 3:16 references.

3. Crash or no crash? The Pilot saying that they weren't going to Guam leads me to believe crash. But everybody being randomly strewn about or missing, makes me think perhaps no crash?

4. They seemed to have landed on the island 'back in time'. The van looked new, and Jin was in a fresh Dharma suit. So now that they're back on the island, apparently at the same 'time' as the other losties still left on the island. Will they all now jump around together? Or do we know definitively the jumping has stopped?

5. Daniel Farraday totally built the Lampost Station.

6. Jack's Grandad's stories about why he had Christian's shoes was totally a cover-up for something. I'm not sure what, though.

7. I think we will get the backstories on how Hurley and Sayid ended up on the plane in upcoming episodes. I think we'll also see eventually what happened to get Kate to change her mind.



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50. "RE: Pondering these things:"
3. I think the plane flew through one of the time flashes, and the people who had been on the island before were taken off the plane. (If that's the case, I hope there's a co-pilot.) It may also be the case that only the people who were in first class with the O6 were taken, in which case the Marshall escorting Sayid and the guy who talked to Jack will also show up on the island.

But I really hope Lapidus is there someplace.

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52. "RE: Pondering these things:"
to all the people complaining about how explaining why Kate/Hurley/Sayid are on the plane, I have just one question.

Are you even remotely familiar with this show?

They do this kind of stuff all the time. Show what happened and then later come back and show how/why it happened.

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Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations?

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56. "RE: Pondering these things:"
Are you even remotely familiar with this show?

Gee no. Maybe you can enlighten me?

Then again.


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58. "RE: Pondering these things:"
Are you even remotely familiar with this show?

I'm kinda with you on this one. Let's savour this experience!

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62. "RE: Pondering these things:"
I've watched every episode so yes, I am familiar with the show. It doesn't mean I have to buy everything.

Ever since the episode #3 finale when Jack told Kate: "We have to go back" we knew 2 things: Some Losties would get off the island and they would eventually return. We had a satisfactory, even thrilling, explanation of how they got off the island but the explanation as to how they returned was completely butchered. The scene of Kate in Jack's bed had horrible acting and didn't tell us anything. Eloise Hawking is a terrible disappointment as far as acting and how much she told us about the story. The whole episode was presented as if seen through Jack's eyes when his was the least interesting perspective since we already knew he wanted to go back.

Now that we're back on the island I'd like to concentrate on the ISLAND's mystery, not have to go back to LA but we'll have to suffer through many flashbacks because the LA story was left incomplete.


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63. "RE: Pondering these things:"
I've watched every episode so yes, I am familiar with the show. It doesn't mean I have to buy everything.... but we'll have to suffer through many flashbacks because the LA story was left incomplete.

That is where we differ. I love the fact that we know the What(that Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Jack, Sun and Ben) are on the plane, but we don't know the Why. Each piece of the puzzel, or motive, will reveal itself to us over time....when Darlton is ready for us to know.

I think this is a great device for future storytelling.

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64. "RE: Pondering these things:"
There has always been the possibility that we would be disappointed with the picture once the puzzle is assembled.
Introducing time travel was already a disappointment so being disconnected from key characters like Hurley, Kate and Sayid, as we were in this episode, didn't improve the perspective of receiving satisfying answers.


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72. "#5"
I'm with you there, I believe he was the "brilliant man" Eloise was referring to.
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59. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
I thought it was a good, not great episode. I’ll be interested to see if the people who didn’t like this episode change their minds after seeing the next one. C&L may have goofed by airing this episode first. Personally I would have preferred to see the Jeremy Bentham episode first. It might help explain the Oceanic 6’s behavior for the last few episodes and how they ended up on the plane, but even if it doesn't, we'll find out eventually. Also we now have to wait a while to find out Jin’s reaction to Sun coming back to the island and where the other Ajira passengers are. Now that's a question I want an answer to asap!

My thoughts:

-Why did Jack wear a suit back to the island? He knows the climate and terrain and that seemed like a poor choice so there must be a reason.

-Why was Kate so morose? I like trigirl’s idea that Aaron was with Cassidy and Clementine, but I don’t think that’s where he is. I think someone (Ben) did something regarding Aaron that really upset Kate.

-What a coincidence that Christian and Locke have the same sized feet!

-I loved the VW bus that keeps showing up and that it was Jin driving it this time. Now we have placed them in the “when” for the time being.

-I think Caesar and the Marshall survive. I don’t read spoilers but the EW article mentioned there are new cast members for season 5. If they land on the island, then Frank probably does too.

- My last big question – will the rest of them have to go back to the island too? Desmond (remember Eloise said the island wasn’t done with him even if he thinks he’s done with the island), Aaron, Walt, Michael (maybe as an apparition)…I think they all have to somehow return to the island too before Lost's mysteries are solved.

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60. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
I think Jack wore the suit to help "recreate" the 815 flight.

Not sure if Ben is involved with Aaron. Could be a Widemore touch. Aaron could very well be with Cassidy, if they have no involvement with Oceanic it would be a good place to put him whereas Claire's mother has had contact with them. Could be with Ji Yeon maybe too?

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61. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
Oh thanks, I forgot he wore a suit on flight 815. I keep imagining him in jeans and a tee shirt. I guess he found his luggage early on and changed. Did he have his suit on when he was chasing his father? That part with Jack in the trees seemed very similiar and deja vuish.

Kate seemed very upset to me so I don't think she was 100% on board with going back. She had to be torn between Jack/Sawyer and Aaron. I think someone "helped" make up her mind.

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68. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
I think he was wearing his suit through most of the crash "beach chaos," but was down to a t-shirt later, after Kate sewed him up.

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73. "RE: Ep. 5.6: 316"
- My last big question – will the rest of them have to go back to the island too? Desmond (remember Eloise said the island wasn’t done with him even if he thinks he’s done with the island), Aaron, Walt, Michael (maybe as an apparition)…I think they all have to somehow return to the island too before Lost's mysteries are solved.


I think Desmond will return to the island. He must sail back because that is the way he got there the first time.

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I know-I just can't figure out what would get Desmond to go back. The only way I can imagine Desmond going back is if Ben DID kill Penny and Desmond goes seeking Ben.

ETA: Penny could be one of our "majorish" characters to die at this season, as has been reported.


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78. "Gah!"
ETA: Penny could be one of our "majorish" characters to die at this season, as has been reported.


*averts eyes*


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79. "RE: Gah!"
Maybe Ben kidnapped Penny or baby Charlie and Desmond will have to sail off to save them.

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80. "RE: Rabbit?"
Did the Rabbit seen with the magician at the old folks home have any link to the Rabbits on the Island? Especially the one in the Dharma Video that traveled in/through time?


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