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04-25-07, 11:43 PM (EST)
 
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1. "RE: 4/25" |
Great episode - I usually don't like it when there are more questions introduced but these questions contained answers. The preview for next week was informative too. - Patch is still alive and admitted that he was killed. Maybe he is a robot or a clone. - Flight 815 had no survivors. (Maybe the losties are all clones. Maybe they are minature clones in some lab somewhere). - Jin is the father.  - Juliette is working with Ben (???) but she hates him. - Seems like they are making Charlie very unlikable. Perhaps he will be killed off soon. - Sun wisely is suspicious of Jack. - Locke is back next week.
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04-26-07, 06:51 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: 4/25" |
And of course....how were there no survivors on flight 815? I thought the producers assured us this was NOT purgatory. My first thought was the all powerful Others rigged something to make it look like there were no survivors because they certainly didn't want a search and rescue coming near the island. If they can make Locke's father appear, they can make an illusion of a plane wreck with no survivors. Odds are the fake plane crash was thousands of miles away from Lost Island. Yes, Jin and Sun are too darn cute. Love it when it's their backstory. My favorite moment was when Sun issued her threat to Jin's mother and the look on Bad Mom's face. You go girl! Have to say I was shocked to see Patch show up. Either getting zapped by the fence was a set up--which would be unlikely because the Others didn't seem to know Locke and company were coming, or the island healed him. Seeing as we haven't any other people rise from the dead as of yet, this one has me puzzled. But what else is new? Darn it, but I'm really starting to like Juliet. She truly seems to care about Sun's predicament, and the "I hate you" at the end was fantastic. In the preview for next week did we hear Locke tell Sawyer to kill Ben?  
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04-26-07, 09:12 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: 4/25" |
I think it might be Locke's father. There has been some talk about Locke's father being the original "Sawyer" that conned James' family when he was a kid. It's possible the others have a file on Locke's dad & know that he was the one that did that. The others could tell Locke what his father did to Sawyer. We know for some weird reason Locke cannot kill his father. So by telling Sawyer that his Dad is the one responsible for conning his parents which led to James' father killing his mother & himself, Locke hopes Sawyer will kill his Dad for him.
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04-26-07, 10:46 AM (EST)
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6. "RE: 4/25" |
For some reason I missed the preview for next week, does anyone have something for me please?
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04-27-07, 05:54 PM (EST)
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21. "fake plane crash?" |
There would be no need to fake the plane crash. The Others only need to intercept a search party. It's not like they need to produce a dented airframe. Or just get a reputable source to say that there were no survivors. Given the reach of their organization, that doesn't seem implausible.
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04-26-07, 07:50 AM (EST)
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3. "Can I just say?" |
I absolutely adore the backstory of Sun and Jin. Even if they were not on this show I just love how this story has played out so far. There are so many twists and turns but nothingover the top. They all seem organic to the story. Remember how we first met them? Jin was overprotective and hot headed and Sun was quiet and meek? Since then we have learned how much they love each other, what they have each done to keep that love and how it has made the other do things that they never wanted to do. Sun is no pushover at all. She has her father in her for sure. It was another sad turn when we see that it was Sun who actually caused Jin to work for her father. They still have my all time favorite Lost moment too...the flower at the airport. *sigh* So will the series finale be about Sun and Kate giving birth simultaneaously? Jeez too many pregnancies. 
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04-26-07, 11:27 AM (EST)
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7. "RE: 4/25" |
I just love Jin & Sun's back story. IMO, it's easily the most compelling narrative of all the characters' histories (and there are some histories I really, really like -- Locke, Desmond, and Sawyer spring to mind). The EW recap writer totally missed the point of the story. She thought it was going over the same ground of Jin & Sun's wrong side of the tracks relationship and Jin's "worthiness". The whole point was to show how Jin became indebted to Mr. Paik and what Sun's role in that was. The whole story is fascinating in its inter-connectedness. Had 815 not crashed, it's the stuff of Shakespearean tragedy.On the island, I am continually amazed by Juliet. What a well written and performed character. I was left last night wondering what her level of sincerity was with Sun, how much of what she told her was truth, and what HER agenda is with Ben. I loved that end with her reporting to Ben on the tape recorder and adding that "I hate you" at the end. Chilling stuff. Oh, and it looks like little Clementine is going to have a half-sibling--or not, depending on whether they fix the moms-to-be dying problem. What, no Widmore condoms on board 815? I was really surprised to see Mikhail, but maybe I shouldn't have been. I don't know if he staged his "death" or if he was genuinely injured, but it now seems that the sonic fence isn't fatal to humans. Clearly, it was on when Mikhail went through it, but he either exaggerated his injuries, or he healed super quick (as he alluded to when he said Naomi's punctured lung would heal in a "day or two"). I think it's probably the latter. I think he was sent by Ben to retrieve the parachutist. As for the huge cliffhanger, my initial thoughts are AugustGirl's. The most grounded explanation is that there was a cover-up to ward off search teams. I'm conflicted, though. On one hand, we've been told by DL and CC that the purgatory theory is wrong and the snow globe theory is wrong. However, it would follow that maybe a snow globe-ish explanation plays into why women getting pregnant on the island die. If the island exists in some alternate universe/snow globe, maybe new life can't be generated there. If you bring life (i.e. an already existing fetus), that's OK, but new life upsets the balance on the island/snow globe. However, we know that people can come and go (see: Ethan), so it's not a one-way ticket. So maybe it's not a snow globe, but rather more of a Brigadoon, where access isn't impossible, just really, really difficult (which I think we already gathered ). Anyway, I don't really buy the alternate timeline theory. If that were the case, the whole "Red Sox winning the Series, Christopher Reeve dying, Bush reelected" reports would be meaningless. It's clear that the Others can communicate with the outside world. If that timeline kept shifting, I don't think they'd be able to do that so readily.
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04-26-07, 12:29 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: 4/25" |
This was a great episode, Sun’s heartrending flashbacks interspersed with some good suspense. Over the three seasons, Sun has moved from a meek wife to a major player in this story! She’s got a badass side to her too, although it’s more emotional in nature than killing people and robbing banks. I liked when she stood up to her dad, but then it boomeranged right back at her. And the question if Juliet can save her is one that doesn’t need to be answered anytime soon.Does anyone else know how to get off the island besides Ben? The elusive Jacob probably does, but do any of the Others? Juliet is a wonderful character. She isn’t truly evil, but she is going to get off the island at any cost (hence the, “I hate you Ben,” some more emotional blackmail from him). If the island can “cure” Locke, Rose, Jin and the parachute lady, that we can expect that it would heal Mikhail too. He even alluded to it, which makes it odd that women who conceive on the island die. I loved the ending highlighted with Twilight Zone music. Everyone on Oceanic flight 815 is dead! It was wonderfully mind-twisting! Although I immediately thought that the Others staged a crash for the rest of the world to see to lead them away from their island. The previews with Locke were a little difficult to understand. My gut is that Locke is telling Sawyer to kill Locke’s dad (and I don’t think he’ll be able to do it). More excitement to come! I cant' wait.
 
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04-26-07, 01:21 PM (EST)
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12. "Jin/Sun Timeline Question" |
Checking the Lostpedia timeline, they have the Juliet/Sun sonogram on the night of Day 87. 53 days prior to that (when Juliet says the baby was conceived) would be Day 34 or 35 (Lostpedia has it on Day 35). However, this would be 1 to 2 days AFTER Jin and Sun's big split after Sun speaks English in front of everyone, which happened during Season 1.Now, the timeline isn't one created by the writers (especially considering that Juliet said they crashed 90 days ago, which may or may not have been an approximation), but that leaves 1 of 3 possibilities: 1) The timeline is off a bit, and the conception happened just before they split (they didn't reconcile until after Jin returned from the raft, almost 2 weeks later). A possibility, but one that doesn't match the best calculated timeline. 2) The writers got sloppy. Juliet was telling the truth, but the story continuity is wrong. I hope this isn't the case, but it is possible. 3) Juliet is lying. The conception happened off the island, but she told Sun it happened on the island to further some agenda. She also told Ben. So if she's lying, she's doing this on her own. I'm not sure what to think, but I don't think we can take what Juliet told Sun as gospel.
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04-26-07, 02:53 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Jin/Sun Timeline Question" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-26-07 AT 02:54 PM (EST)3) Juliet is lying. The conception happened off the island, but she told Sun it happened on the island to further some agenda. She also told Ben. So if she's lying, she's doing this on her own. I'm not sure what to think, but I don't think we can take what Juliet told Sun as gospel. While I do think the island could "cure" Jin, if Juliet lies about the date and Sun delivers a healthy baby, she may think Ben will let her go home because she has successfully delivered a baby on the island. Sun told her about the two possibilities before the sonogram. Juliet gave pretty specific dates, so I don't think the writers screwed up. Juliet could be fudging the truth for her own gain (which has been her m.o. all along!). Good catch.
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04-26-07, 03:22 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: U/S Dating..." |
LAST EDITED ON 04-26-07 AT 03:23 PM (EST)I hear you about the inexact nature of ultrasounds, but in terms of storytelling, if they wanted the audience to think that way, they would have used that language. Juliet deliberately said it would tell Sun within a day of when conception occurred. So, while that is scientifically flawed, it is the context that the story was told, so we're really bound by that. The more I think on this, though, the more I'm disappointed with the date that the writers chose. They chose a date 30+ days after the crash as the date of conception. It makes more sense in relation to when she took the pregnancy test (Day 60, according to the timeline), but this means that A) Sun would have LIKELY had one full cycle before the date and B) it puts more distance between when she had relations with Jae and with Jin. We don't have a real good sense as to when Sun was last with Jae, but it HAD to have been before they went to Australia, and may have been weeks before that. It would have been better for the writers to pick somewhere in the first 2 weeks after the crash if we were to seriously question paternity.
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