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"East Coast Spoiler Discussion Thread: 05-03-06"
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"East Coast Spoiler Discussion Thread: 05-03-06" |
We finally have a new episode! Let's talk about it here until the Westies have a chance to see it.
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1. "Canadian spoiler" |
Canadian spoiler. We get it at 7:00PM
Episode summary :
-Henry attacks Ana Lucia for killing two good people. John saves her.
-Flashback: Ana Lucia quit police after her mother tells her she knows about the execution. She works airport security, meets Jack’s father. He flirts by saying faith brought them together. He then hires her as body guard for dangerous work in Australia.
-Henry tells John he is one of the good ones and his mission was to get John. The one in charge is a great man but he will kill Henry for failing. Jack enters with Micheal.
-Ana asks for gun to Sawyer, he refuses.
-Flashback: Jack’s father gets Ana, it's “time for your mission.” They go to a house and he argues with a woman about seeing his daughter?? ( may not have heard right) Ana drags him away. Who was that woman?
-Sawyer’s wandering in jungle, followed by Ana. She fights him, he pins her, she kisses him and they undress as Sawyer’s gun is left on the ground.
-Falshback: “Tom”, Jack’s father’s pseudonym tells Ana he came to Austrlia because he couldn’t apologize to his son. He can’t go back and leaves her there to go drink (could be where he met Sawyer??)
-Hurley and Libby go on a picnic. He forgets blanket, She’ll go back to get wine. He says he’d like to remember where he knows her from. She looked worried.
-Ana goes to hatch. Micheal wakes, he says he found “them”. The other’s camp are made of tents and they are worse off than the losties. He counted 22 but didn’t see Walt. Ana asks about other kids. Micheal didn’t see any kids but saw 2 guards and a hatch door. Micheal adds “we can take them, and get my boy back.”
-John and Jack agree(!) that it’s time to get the guns from Sawyer and go after them. They set off to "talk" with Sawyer. -Sawyer tells Jack that Ana has his gun. She enters Henry's room and gives him a knife. Henry tells her about Goodwin to distract her as he unties himself. She pulls the gun. (Commercial) -Flashback: Jack’s plea with airport clerk about his father as Ana listens. She calls her mother to tell she’s coming home on flight 815. Final segment. WOW! -Ana talks with Micheal saying she couldn’t kill him. Micheal answer “Let me do it.”
She gives him the gun. He says “I’m sorry”. She asks “for what?” He shoots her. Libby walks in and surprises Micheal who shoots her! Then he goes to Henry’s cell, opens the door, pulls up gun and …“LOST”
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05-03-06, 10:14 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Canadian spoiler" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-03-06 AT 10:14 PM (EST)Wow! That last scene really shocked me. I was suspicious of Michael, but I never expected anything like this. Has he become part of the others, or has he simply made a deal with them? I wonder if Hurley will ever figure out the truth about Libby now? I was also wondering if these particular characters were targeted because of the drunk driving offenses? Maybe the writers of Lost are playing with us; Perhaps its as the others would say - "they weren't good people". 
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05-04-06, 01:23 PM (EST)
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25. "Not DUI-Related" |
Just read Michael Ausiello's blog on TV Guide Online, where he interviewed Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof about the episode. The plan all along was to kill off Michelle Rodriguez. When she signed on to the show, her agent said she was only interested in being on it for a year, so they told her they would kill off her character. Here's a link to the interview:
http://community.tvguide.com/thread.jspa?threadID=700001362 And here's a few relevant passages: Ausiello: And then the DUI... Carlton: Then she got this DUI and Damon and I looked at each other and we were like, "Oh, great. Everybody is going to think we're killing her off because she got a DUI." But there really wasn't anything we could do about that. I mean, the story was set. We had made plans. With Lost, we think it out well ahead of when we actually shoot it. We thought about altering our plan, but was in fact what was best for the show. The fact that she got a DUI would come and go and what would live on would be the show, and our plan was still the best plan for the character. Ironically, we actually thought about changing it the other way around once happened, but it really was the best story. We wanted to tell the best story.Damon: And obviously that decision was further mitigated by the fact that Libby is shot at the same time as Ana Lucia. Basically then we said, "Oh, s--t. Both Michelle and Cynthia were busted the same night for DUI and we've got this story point coming up where they essentially both get shot at the same time, so it's going to look like this is the Lost producers attempt to say, 'Don't drive drunk!'" But as Carlton says, all it created in us was , "Maybe we shouldn't do the plan now, 'cause people are going to think this is a reaction to , as opposed to this existing prior to that event."Carlton: As you'll see, everything that happens for the rest of the season all sort of falls from this event. And we're not doing ourselves or the fans of the show or the show itself any service by altering those plans because of Michelle's extracurricular activities. Damon: Not to mention that we didn't even know if that option would be available to us. We were still functioning under the auspices of that meeting, which was Michelle saying, "I want to do a year and then move on."
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05-03-06, 09:54 PM (EST)
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3. "Gah!!!!" |
Wow. I was suprised at 2 deaths right there. Maybe not at who it was but certainly by whom and that close together! Moral: Never try to have or actually have sex on this island.
Was that Claire's mother that Jack's father went to see?
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05-03-06, 10:10 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Gah!!!!" |
Dead line for about 15-20 seconds, and then a busy signal.
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05-03-06, 10:30 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Gah!!!!" |
Looked like it to me. He'll blame Henry of course because he was shot.
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05-04-06, 00:13 AM (EST)
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11. "RE: Gah!!!!" |
Yeah, and while it wasn't explicitly shown, the fact that Michael opened the door before shooting himself probably means that Henry escaped, which makes him the perfect scapegoat.
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05-03-06, 10:24 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Canadian spoiler" |
Did not see that coming!!! Great surprise ending for tonight's episode. Now I can't wait to see what happens next week, especially since the show had been moving slow for the last few episodes before this.
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9. "RE: East Coast Spoiler Discussion Thread: 05-03-06" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-03-06 AT 11:19 PM (EST)This crap is crazy http://thehansofoundation.org/index.html?detectflash=false To sign up for the newsletter, click the link. When the first question is asked, type in "yes" (you will have to click to the right of the text box because weird white stuff blocks it). The password is "breaking strain". From there, you can go to "Joop's Corner", and bring him a message. I put in "dharma", and the monkey made a loud sound. I then connected some circles on the next screen, and saw a weird letter. I'll let you guys see it for youself. I'm curious about what other messages to Joop will do...I think any message works. I typed in "105", same thing. In that letter, try clicking the signature at the bottom for a second letter, then click it agian
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05-04-06, 06:32 AM (EST)
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16. "RE: Is Libby dead?" |
The preview also makes it looks as if Eko suffers a major fall off a cliff. I can't believe they would kill him off. I think next week is supposed to be Eko-centric.
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05-04-06, 09:24 AM (EST)
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22. "RE: Is Libby dead?" |
Yes, but Michael can't risk that, so wouldn't he have made sure she was dead? He obviously is trying to frame Henry, so Libby being alive could blow it for him.Also, Henry said that HE was going to kill Henry for failing, so why would Henry want to escape and return - unless he's taking his chances on surviving alone. Or, unless that story to Locke was BS, which is also likely. I don't like losing Ana and Libby both. Ana, yes, it was time for her to go, but I think there was still some potential story lines with Libby. And she's the only major/minor character that hasn't had a flashback yet, so I think she's still alive.
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29. "RE: Is Libby dead?" |
I don't like losing Ana and Libby both. Ana, yes, it was time for her to go, but I think there was still some potential story lines with Libby. And she's the only major/minor character that hasn't had a flashback yet, so I think she's still alive.I agree with you completely. Libby's story is still a mystery and the audience is intrigued. It'd be a real loss if she did die, but the acwww.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,18835,00.html|pilot] for CBS, so maybe the producers figured it'd be a good way to possibly kill her off in the case that she does leave the show. I'd be disappointed to see Libby gone, but Ana can stay dead. I didn't like her at all. Actually...I wouldn't mind Libby dying, too. I want to see Michael's victory. He's one of the few Losties I'm not sick of by now. Even Hurley is getting annoying. 
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15. "So, is Christian Shephard Claire's father?" |
There are a few things we already know that may or may not point to this being the case:1. In Claire's episode from season 1, her boyfriend makes some comment about her having "daddy abandonment issues" or something along those lines. 2. In the same episode, in the conversation with her friend at the psychic's house, they talk about Claire's mother disowning her if she tells her about the baby. Never mentions her father. Both of those things would point to the probability of Claire having an absentee father, who she either rarely sees, or has never met. (Maybe because he's been living in America her whole life with his wife and son?) 3. The woman with whom Christian argued about seeing his daughter in tonight's episode looks an awful lot like she could be related to Claire. 4. Claire is the only major character we know so far who is Australian. 5. There's no such thing as a coincidence on "Lost". 6. Because this is "Lost" we are talking about, the conclusion that Claire is, in fact, the daughter we learned about tonight seems waaay too obvious. It could very well be that the writers are screwing with us, and Christian's daughter is someone else entirely. I'm up in the air right now. I do think it would be very cool if Jack and Claire found out somehow that they are indeed brother and sister. Jack's father is turning out to be a really interesting character, especially since the only way we can learn about his trip to Australia and mysterious death is through other castaways' flashbacks. And since we haven't found out his whole story yet, it seems very likely that he will be seen meeting even more of our Losties in future epsiodes.
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05-04-06, 07:08 AM (EST)
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18. "RE: So, is Christian Shephard Claire's father?" |
As Jack's dad was getting out of the car to enter the bar, the door bumped into a passerby. We never see his face but the voice was definitely Sawyer's.
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05-04-06, 07:16 AM (EST)
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20. "RE: So, is Christian Shephard Claire's father?" |
The hair was Sawyer's too. It was unmistakably him. I just assumed that the bar was the one where he met Sawyer, and that this flashback took place immediately prior the one in which the two men meet. I'll have to re-watch that episode to see if Christian is wearing the same clothes in both scenes or not.
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05-04-06, 09:58 AM (EST)
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23. "I think so." |
I absolutely think Jack & Claire brother & sister. Wicked!
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05-04-06, 10:07 AM (EST)
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24. "HOLY CARP!!!!!!" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-04-06 AT 10:10 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 05-04-06 AT 10:09 AM (EST) Now that was a GREAT episode!!! Finally!! I cannot believe Michael turned on them like that. We have to believe that Walt is in danger for Michael to do this. I think the Others sent Michael back to free Henry and to plant the idea that the Others could be taken, then Michael would lead the "lostaways" to Others who are waiting for them. Michael and Walt could then be reunited. The previews showed Michael with his arm in a sling so I think he definitely shot himself in the arm.
As soon as Sawyer and AL had sex I commented aloud "Well, one of them is now going to die!!" lol Just didn't think it would happen so soon and then Libby too!!! I don't believe Libby is dead just yet either, but AnnaLucia will be. I guess AL doesn't have to worry about time off from the show to serve her 5 day sentence, huh. Lost cast members need to remember two things.....never have sex on the show and don't get caught drunk driving. ETA....I cannot believe the lengths this show is going to authenticate this storyline -- books, actual websites, phone numbers, etc. WOW!!!
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LAST EDITED ON 05-04-06 AT 04:06 PM (EST)I just love how they kill off the two actresses that got arrested for DUI... Anyway, in regards to the episode...wow. I hate that feeling when you have no idea what's coming next until like 10 seconds before it happens. That happened to me in an episode of Celebrity Mole 2 one time...I was sure Tracey Gold was the Mole and then Ahmad entered her name and before her screen came up I was like "crap, she's not the Mole". And then the red screen. That's like the worst feeling in the world. But yeah. Lots of things...I was so pissed off when Henry Gale didn't get killed. Damn. 
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28. "Some Thoughts" |
Compiled from me and some peeps at work:1. I heard Jack's dad say "I want to see my daughter." I originally thought the woman in the house was Sarah, Jack's wife until she spoke. I then assumed that Jack's father had an affair with her that had resulted in a child (his daughter). Someone else here thought that the woman herself was his daughter (and thus Jack's sister). We all agreed that the woman was the woman in the picture with Desmond...this would be particularly ironic if she was Desmond's wife, making Jack Desmond's brother-in-law...Desmond called Jack "brother" 2. We really don't think/hope that Libby didn't die. We have yet to find out whether Libby really was a clinical psychologist, we have yet to find out why she was in the hospital, we have yet to find out her other potential connections to Hurley or why she was in Australia (was she stalking Hurley is our question.) Anyway, she was carrying blankets when Michael shot her and all of the bullets went into the blankets, which could allow her to stay alive at least for a little while...long enough for viewers to get some answers and also long enough to throw a wrench into a Michael's potential "Henry attacked me" plan. Spoiler info about Libby's presence in flashbacks may make some of this moot. Overall, I thought it was a spectacular episode. The scene with Ana Lucia and Jack's father in the airport bar as well as the shooting scene were both fantastic. I can't wait for next week. 
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05-05-06, 01:20 PM (EST)
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32. "Thoughts" |
Numbers:
We saw lots of different numbers this time. Clock when Ana Lucia wakes up in Sydney 3:51. Radio that Christian adjusts is tuned to 99.9 fm and clock is 2:49. Why different?Names:
Christian chose Sarah for Ana Lucia which is odd since it is the name of his daughter-in-law. Maybe the Sarah-Jack storyline has a little bit more to it. Tom - Was that the name of the guy that shot Ana Lucia and that she got all vigilante on? Jack's Sister:
To tell you the truth, I didn't even think of Claire when I heard this, but it makes sense. I was thinking of a child.... I just assumed that the sister was young and could have been one of the abducted tailie children. If AL is dead, how will Jack find out the truth? Hanso Commercial:
I can't believe that more has not been written about this. Maybe I'll start another thread.
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05-05-06, 01:39 PM (EST)
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33. "Tom" |
I was thinking that Tom was either the father of Ana Lucia's baby (mentioned very briefly in her other episode) or her police officer partner, although I haven't rewatched that episode yet to check. I think that the guy she shot was named Jason.Another question:
Henry said Ana had killed two of the others. One was Godwin-who was the second?
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36. "RE: Tom" |
Ana Lucia's boyfriend was Danny, her partner was Big Mike and she killed Jason. I don't know where she got Tom from. I guess we'll never know since it does seem that she's dead when Kate and Jack get back to the hatch.After rewatching the show I started to think that maybe Michael didn't come back working with the Others. What he did could simply be something he thought of right then. His first priority, as we've heard over and over, is to get Walt back and he'll do anything to get the others, (Jack/Locke, not The Others) to help him. He kept saying the Others were animals who will do anything and having it look like Henry killed Ana Lucia will enrage them to attack. He was never close to Ana Lucia, especially after killing Shannon, and could have considered her expendable, but did seem bothered by killing her. But he was friends with Libby and seemed horrified when he shot her. Also when Ana told him they captured one of the Others, Michael seemed surprised. Either he was surprised that they had one or surprised he was still alive. So it could be he didn't know about Henry. Like most people I do feel Michael came back working with the Others, but we could be over thinking it. Didn't the previews before this week say there will be a traitor? After this week, that sure seems like Michael, but earlier in the episode I was thinking it could be Locke. I think believing the Others feel he is good is attractive to Locke, because he wants to belong and feel wanted. He also doesn't want to leave the island. But once they find out who the traitor is, assuming they do, they'll have to get rid of them, right? I can't see the show without Locke. Another idea is Michael came back with specific orders to kill Ana because she killed two of them. Libby didn't kill anyone, so Michael screwed up there and that could explain his reaction after shooting her. But then shouldn't Eko be careful? He also killed two of them. We do see him falling off a cliff next week, but I don't think he'll die from that. I hope Libby lives long enough to have another flashback. Having Hurley remember her from the hospital after she's dead isn't going to tell us why she was there. We already have enough questions and definitely don't need any more that can never be answered. It was bad enough when Shannon was killed because I have always wanted to know why her father didn't leave her some money. From the TV Guide list of characters for next week's episode it looks like we'll learn more about Claire and Eko. That could support the suburb woman being Claire's mother. Was that Lindsey? IMDB shows a Lindsey for this past episode, but doesn't have a picture. Someone suggested she was the mother of the other kids, but they were supposed to meet their mother in Los Angeles. Henry probably doesn't have many more episodes to go and I will be sorry to seem him leave. If it was up to me, I'd keep him in the hatch forever and have everyone pay him regular visits. I love how he screws with their minds.
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34. "RE: Thoughts" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-05-06 AT 02:25 PM (EST)Jack and John: I'm sure this has been mentioned before but I don't remember if it has. Jack is the diminutive of John. (never understood that, but is is). Came to me while watching these two inteact. We've had all this imagery:
ying - yang
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science and faith However, the writers have said their initial intent was to cast Michael Keaton as Jack and kill him off. Is this all a red herring? ETA:
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37. "Holy Carp!" |
I finally watched the ep and I must say, that was about the best ep of this season, so many new links, but I do have a couple nit-picky things to point out. First, now that we saw Ana met Jack's father and presumably Claire is Jack's half-sister -- Ana has been shot and killed, so how the heck is Jack going to find out about the connection? Also, I was wondering if Ana knew anything about Jack's father's death, but it looks like she left him at the bar where Sawyer runs into him and we still have that loose end to tie up. Does yet another person on the island run into Jack's father? First bone to pick -- we could see it a mile away when Ana seduced Sawyer that it was for the gun, what was ridiculous was that it wasn't until the end of the episode that Sawyer reaches to the back of his pants to get his gun that it is only then that he realizes Ana took his gun? Hello!! That was stupid. My second area of contention is that Jack, Locke, Kate weren't suspicious about Michael's story. I was from the start . . . I knew he was lying or at least without a clue because his facts didn't add up -- though I was shocked when he shot & killed Ana. First of all, when Michael said they were primative, no shoes, mostly women -- while that could be, in part, true we already know they have disguises, a boat, fuel, medical supplies, baby furniture & toys, and who knows what else, so how primative can they be? Secondly, and most importantly, is when Michael repeated they had ONLY 2 guns -- he said it more than once and said how they can take them to get Walt back. If Jack/Kate/Locke were thinking, they should know that is a red flag right there -- first, they had more than one gun when they abducted Walt (plus explosives -- homemade or not, still far from primative) AND when Jack, Sawyer & Locke went to "the line" all of their weapons were confiscated by the others -- along with Kate's when she was abducted and traded back -- so that's another 5 guns right there. If these stupid castaways would talk to each other more and recall what's going on -- they already know there are more hatches -- the one the tailies found, the one they're in & the one that Claire remembered being held hostage in. Plus, Claire's flashbacks showed that the others have technology and non-primitive supplies. Then, of course, there's the stuff only Locke knows. With all that said, I can't wait for the next ep to see the fate of Libby since the words "she's dead" and not "they're dead" were uttered. I think Libby is on her way out, but hopefully we'll get her flashbacks to find out why she was in the institution and what her connection to Hurley is -- i.e. does she have feelings for him or is there some other reason she has been flirting with him. Also, I can't wait to see if "Henry" does take off or if he stays and pleads to Locke and whether or not Locke will believe it was Michael & not Henry -- or even if Henry will tell Locke Michael did it. I think Locke will be suspicious of the whole situation, if he stays true to his character thus far. The question is, in my mind, is Michael brainwashed or was Michael just told to do certain things in order to get Walt back and Michael is in control of his own actions? Lastly, they better not kill off Eko, because he is one of my favorite characters. The question is whether the others consider him good or bad? He was bad at one time, but he has repented and has been working on redemption ever since his brother was killed and he assumed his identity. I just love this show. 
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