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"Lee vs. Charmaine and Andrea sux"
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04-12-06, 02:44 AM (EST)
 
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"Lee vs. Charmaine and Andrea sux" |
Unlike prior episodes, where they pretty much dominated, I feel Synergy pretty much skated by in both of last night's episodes. They were less creative on both tasks, but won thanks to keeping things simple.
Lenny was horrendous as a leader and deserved to be fired, despite his room idea being more creative than Synergy's. I liked Lenny, but he had no chance of ever being the Apprentice. Lee redeemed himself in my eyes by sticking by Lenny. I too appreciate loyalty. However, I also got a kick out of Charmaine turning the tables on Lee the very next episode and going after him. She deserves less credit than Lee, because he was mainly motivated by loyalty whereas she was mainly motivated by revenge, but I still got a kick out of it.
Isn't Lee due to be a PM at some point?
As much disdain as I have for Andrea's fascist managerial style, at least she wants to be PM, which apparently is the opposite of Lee who is trying to bring skating by to an all-time best in Apprentice history.
However, regarding Andrea, was it really necessary to tell Michael how much he stunk as PM immediately after winning? True, Michael, the "weinker," stunk, but that seemed a little rude and superior to me. Okay, rude and superior, I just described Andrea Lake, who was also lacking creativity in HER win. The hat was a crap idea. Fortunately for her, she was "smart" enough to keep the pizandwich cheap. Not exactly an idea worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize there.
I have a question for DT, Bill and Carolyn though. How do you KNOW that price was the difference??
I agree that the price seemed ridiculous, but I'm not sure you can blithely talk like it is a FACT that price was the difference. Maybe they just did a bad job of attracting prospective buyers. Maybe it was just a low traffic day for that 7eleven. Maybe it was an unusually high traffic day for the other, who knows?
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04-12-06, 12:51 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Lee vs. Charmaine and Andrea sux" |
I thought it was VERY interesting that Charmaine thinks so much of herself and her "power" over Trump for her to make her remarks about firing Lee before she left the boardroom. Yo, Charmaine maybe no one asked for your opinion, because no one RESPECTS you or your opinions?Honestly, with the last 3 firings: Dan, Bryce & Lenny, the only person I like on the show is Lee. I can't stand anyone else. I used to think British boy was okay, but he's a parody of himself. What was with his spastic jerking about in his confessionals the other night? All he is, is the better looking "Austin Powers" with his 2 little groupies. The love-in is truly pathetic and that's all Synergy is anymore -- except for Mandrea. On Goldrush -- Charmaine has been lousy throughout, but saved from the boardroom everytime. Tarek is the biggest tool of all -- 3 times he should've been fired, yet Trump let's him slide and the last 2 tasks Tarek has chosen to go UTR so he CAN'T screw up. Lee is the only one left with sense, integrity and people skills at this point. So in reality he should be fired soon, because Trump is an A$$. 
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04-12-06, 07:45 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Lee vs. Charmaine and Andrea sux" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-12-06 AT 10:13 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 04-12-06 AT 08:36 PM (EST) Lee was the PM on the Gillette text messaging task, as mentioned above. However, he was virtually handed the victory lock, stock and barrel by Lenny. After listneing to Lee talk about which letters to push to send the message, Lenny kept telling Lee it did not matter. All that mattered, Lenny said, was to get the team on the street and convince people to send the message-it could be the letter "A" for all he cared. As Lee continued to go on and on about extraneous things, Lenny simply got up in the middle of the meeting, brought two other members with him, and hit the street to find people. Very pushy. When he found a whole bunch of people waiting on line to get show tickets, Lenny got on the cell phone and ORDERED, literally ORDERED Lee to come down with the team. It was a complete switch of roles-Lenny virtually became Project Manager. Eventually Lee did come down with some people and Lee won the task. Whose idea it was to get up early the next morning to hit the street, I don't know. But Lenny's idea to simply stop debating and hit the street, plus the spot he chose to do the text messaging, (line outside theater) essentially won the task for Lee. To his credit, Lee acknowledged Lenny's part in his victory, and that is why he stuck by Lenny ever since.
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04-12-06, 09:03 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Lee vs. Charmaine and Andrea sux" |
There has been no real front runners in the Apprentice, until last night.Lee actually thought outside the box for once, unlike Andrea who stupidly had a baseball cape idea. They may have won on price point, but Caroline saw that Andrea had a bad idea. Lee had told the managers to replace the sandwiches with P-eat-ZZA's. (Leslie said she was "going to do it before they opened the next morning." in defense.) Lee had also heard the managers talking about price point. And he was right--you trust the people that are there everyday, the managers. They see customers all the time and know what they want and buy. Lee finally tried to sell all at once, which could have been the deal breaker for the win. I wish we knew how many were left and how much money they needed, because if that deal went through, it would have been closer, if not a win. I think The Donald sees this in Lee and I wouldn't be surprised at that time that The Donald saw that he is the front runner. He deals just like any smart business person. The only problem is that he doesn't have a supportive trusting group. So he should move to Synergy.
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04-12-06, 11:15 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Lee vs. Charmaine and Andrea sux" |
I don't know that Lee has made himself a front runner - most business people will tell you the the single most important thing in a deal is the closing and Lee was unable to close the deal. Trump could easily see this as a failing.
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iltarion 1791 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-06, 11:41 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Lee vs. Charmaine and Andrea sux" |
If there is a front-runner, it certainly is not on Gold Rush, who has been getting their clocks cleaned. Team record always comes into play when determining the final Apprentice. I would say Sean is the favorite right now, despite his spastic reactions to Michael, which I thought was hilarious. All 4 women on Synergy seem the same to me; none of them have distinguished themselves from the others. Okay, maybe Andrea, but she has distinguished herself in a negative way, as far as I am concerned. She has won, but her employees will not support her and their input is also key in determining the final Apprentice.
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iltarion 1791 desperate attention whore postings
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04-12-06, 11:49 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Lee vs. Charmaine and Andrea sux" |
Yeah, Lenny's room being better IS my opinion, and since I am not hiring or firing anyone, that has nothing to do with DT and co insisting price lost like it is written in the stars or something.
There were chairs in Lenny's room. Yes, it had one theme. It didn't have only one thing to do, but it did have just one theme: music. You COULD say that Michael's room only had one theme as well: the lounge. And what do you normally find in a lounge? A TV, games, toys, things to read. That about sums up Michael's room. Michael's room might indeed have been the better room. I am not arguing that. But it doesn't take a single creative impulse to think of putting a TV, video games, board games, a table, or toys in a room for kids. It was a basic lounge; it was simple. Apparently, simple was all the execs were looking for. That's fine.
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04-13-06, 09:35 AM (EST)
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13. "Not Bad For A Kid Fresh Out Of College" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-13-06 AT 09:43 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 04-13-06 AT 09:40 AM (EST) "I don't know that Lee has made himself a front runner - most business people will tell you the the single most important thing in a deal is the closing and Lee was unable to close the deal. Trump could easily see this as a failing." You raise a good point-Lee's checking back with Leslie instead of making the deal could count against him. However, it is hard not to give credit to Lee when throughout the task, he appeared to be the only Gold Rush member with a functioning brain. When Leslie came up with that insane price of $7.99, Lee fought like heck to get her to lower it toward something more reasonable. When he was ignored the first time, he reported, early in the task, that the managers were also finding the price exorbitant. Leslie's reaction to this news was to tell Lee to forget about it, then turn to another member, hold her forehead, and tell them that Lee was "stressing me out" with this price business. Lee convinced the manager to clear out all other sandwiches except the featured one. Okay, maybe Leslie was going to do it the day of the contest, but Lee got it done first. When Lee realized that it was time to get creative and see if he can actively seek out wholesale customers instead of just waiting for them to come into the store, he seized the opportunity to unload a thousand sandwiches. True, he was looking to unload 15 or 20, but the fact is that Lee put himself into that position by looking for mass customers-nobody else on the team thought of it. Leslie did not realize the potential of selling 1,000 sandwiches at almost any price, so she messed up the deal. Lee is only 22,and apparently fresh out of college. A more experienced member would have made the deal for $2.25 or $2.00, then come back to Leslie AFTER the deal was a fait accompli. But Lee is fresh out of school, and not quite confident enough to depart from his Project Manager's specific instructions. Lee has not had enough success yet on any job to give him the confidence to overstep his bounds, then sell it to the manager. So yes, Lee's lack of experience prevented him from closing the deal-or actually prevented him from keeping Leslie from ruining the deal, which is what happened. But considering his young age, and how many things he did right, I think Lee showed himself to good advantage. I think Lee would make someone think it might not be a bad idea to hire Lee and let him GET that experience.
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kidflash212 3854 desperate attention whore postings
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04-13-06, 09:26 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: Not Bad For A Kid Fresh Out Of College" |
I would have liked to see how Lee met up with the guy he was trying to deal with - its not as if you just stop everybody on the street and ask if they want to buy a 1000 sandwiches. It wasn't clear how Lee made contact with him, and for some reason their relationship seemed friendlier than I would usually associate with people who just met. Was he a friend of Lee's? Lee is from New York so it stands to reason he would know some people around the city.
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iltarion 1791 desperate attention whore postings
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04-14-06, 00:50 AM (EST)
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15. "RE: Not Bad For A Kid Fresh Out Of College" |
Regarding the possibility Lee knew who he was dealing with, that is a good point.
I give Lee credit for thinking of the deal and almost pulling it off. It is true that he was the only one thinking outside the box.
However, his negotiation skills could use some work, and no one has mentioned this. When the exec asked him what was the LOWEST price he could offer, Lee SHOULD have said $4. By saying $3, Lee doomed the sale for $3. You NEVER start out with your lowest offer; that is the basics of negotiating.
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04-14-06, 08:35 PM (EST)
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19. "In Many Ways Lee Was Stellar, But...." |
LAST EDITED ON 04-14-06 AT 08:38 PM (EST)I agree with you about Lee doing very well in the task, but Iltarion is right. In any negotiation, your first offer is never your last offer. Moreover, Lee let himself get put into an untenable postion. When the wholesale customer asked for Lee's price and Lee said $3, then the wholesale customer came back with $2, Lee went back to his project manager and came back with the $2.50 price sometime later. The problem with that is when you break up the negotiating process, your latest offer gets treated like a new opening offer. If, instead of going to the project manager, Lee had come down on the spot to perhaps $2.75, he might have gotten the customer to come up to $2.50-certainly to$2.25. Lee became a go between for a long distance negotiation, instead of an active negotiator. This is where his inexperience came in. Now, if Lenny was there, they wouldn't have gone back to Leslie at all. Lenny would have made the deal on the spot. LOL, Leslie would not have even found out about the deal until she asked Lenny and Lee, "Say, where are you two going with all those crates of sandwiches?"
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kidflash212 3854 desperate attention whore postings
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04-24-06, 03:16 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: In Many Ways Lee Was Stellar, But...." |
I also felt the way he went about the whole thing was sneaky and immature. Why did he just disappear without telling anyone to set up the deal instead of letting his team or at least the project manager know about his idea? Perhaps if they had been let in on the idea they'd have felt more inclined to support it and make it happen or maybe they could have expanded the idea and made deals with more than one guy. It seemed Lee was more interested in making sure he got credit for the sale than working with his team.
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04-25-06, 09:28 AM (EST)
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23. "RE: In Many Ways Lee Was Stellar, But...." |
LAST EDITED ON 04-25-06 AT 09:30 AM (EST)Okay, so Lee disappeared for fifteen minutes on a task that lasted many hours, and came back with a chance to win it all with one stroke. Is that supposed to be bad? If what you say is true, that Leslie would have done better negotiating if Lee had let her in on the idea from the beginning instead of freelancing a short time, then you are basically saying that Leslie can't put the team's chances for victory above her own concerns. Which looks like a good reason to get sent home. As it stands, Lee did show Leslie a great deal of respect-perhaps too much respect-by coming back to her and becoming little more than a go-between between her and the wholesale customer. If his buddy Lenny was there, he would have seized the moment, gotten the guy to go to $2.25 or $2.50, made the deal and Leslie would have first found out about it when she saw Lee and Lenny leaving the truck carrying all those crates of sandwiches, lol.
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