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"SPOILER WARNING: Deconstructing Joe Schmo"
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09-10-03, 12:19 PM (EST)
 
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"SPOILER WARNING: Deconstructing Joe Schmo" |
Sleeve, I am creating a new thread for this post because I am not debating whether Matt knows, just accepting it as fact and (over) analyzing the hidden message.Awhile ago I took a political theory course where we spent some time deconstructing Walt Disney with the implication being that his cartoon shows had a subliminable pro-communist bent (or pro-capitalist it was so long ago I don't remember). The Simpsons is another example of the use of cartoon to make a political point (leftist propaganda). Essentially Joe Schmo is the modern cartoon. As far fetched as this will sound the subliminable message it contains is that the Anglo/American invasion of Iraq is a put on. Matt is a caricature of the bumbling, stumbling George Bush. Brian, the loyal buddy - I think that is his name , fat curly hair guy - represents Blair, and the Hutch is bin Laden, terrorizing the house guests with his crude behaviour. The other guests represent other countries in the Western alliance - (I nominate Kip as France). We already know the finalists in this conflict are Matt, Brian and Hutch (see the picture: http://www.post-gazette.com/tv/20030902). The show's cover story that Brian and Hutch are adversaries of Matt is no more sustainable than the mass media portrayal of Bush and binLaden as mortal enemies (in fact their two families are long time business partners). Joe Schmo's subliminable message is that we are a gullible public that actually participates and validates (actors and audience alike)the superficial plots fed to us by the media and the elites who control the media. The joke is on everybody. Why are we so complacent and gullible? Because by international standards we live in the "Lap of Luxury". I won't even get into the snide references to "working for the man". Just remember as you laugh along to this show you are laughing at yourself. Bravo to Spike TV for having the courage to expose this sinister brainwashing.
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Bucky Katt 3146 desperate attention whore postings
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09-10-03, 02:26 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: SPOILER WARNING!" |
From the site guidelines which have a link at the top of each page:XI. KEEP "SPOILERS" IN THE SPOILERS FORUMS... OR OTHERWISE CLEARLY MARKED
Much of the discussion in this community revolves around "spoilers" -- known upcoming events in one of the TV shows that the discussion forums follow. However, some of the members of the RealityTVWorld.com community prefer to enjoy these shows without knowing about the upcoming events until they are broadcast. Therefore, for certain shows, we have created a special forum dedicated to spoilers (such as the "Survivor Spoilers Forum"). For those shows with a spoilers forum, please limit discussion of spoilers to that forum and do not post spoilers, or links to spoilers, in other forums. For those shows without a dedicated spoilers forum, we ask that you clearly indicate in the subject line of your post that the topic contains spoiler information and ensure that no spoiler content is revealed within the first 200 characters of your message body (since this text may also appear on the forum's topic listing page.) You have clearly violated this guideline. Although it is true that this isn't a reality TV show like other shows, that still doesn't mean that I want to know what is going to happen in the next episode or the one after that or the one after that. And if you would take the time to read other threads, you will find that whenever there is information that has not been on the show yet, there is a clear indication beforehand that such information is going to be told. Ok, let us take your silly analogy further then. If this show really is a comment on the war on Iraq then what do all the other people represent? What do Dr Pat, Molly, Earl etc. represent? What does Gina represent and why was she "voted out" first? What about the host - and the supposed love triangle? And if Hutch really is the "terrorist" then why is he living in the lap of luxury with the so-called USA and UK? Aren't the real terrorists living in caves now? And what is the representation of "terrorists" winning the Hands on a Hooker competition?  "I gotta stop hanging out with dogs."
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vernonwells 18 desperate attention whore postings
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09-10-03, 03:57 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: SPOILER WARNING!" |
well i'm not saying every single specific character has some secret meaning and its impossible to break down everything this early. i also think some things happen just to get the plot to move along. its too soon but heres some early guesses....on a more general level the actors represent the talking heads in the corporate media... they think they're in on the hoax all along .. and perpetuate the hoax for money (their pay)... but really their just being used some early obvious guesses on specific meanings of individual characters: Molly represents the Christian right in American politics, Earl represents the military...Gina i think was black -- Matt made a point of saying he was cool with interracial interraction ... is that a coincidence she was first off? maybe, maybe not i don't know, will wait and see i think the host represents the face of the corporate media and the love triangle represents the media's exploitation of sex...pretty girls attracted and seduced by wealth and prestige....corporations attracted to sex for ratings... remember the hilarious opening scene where the host rides in on the white horse.... the knight in shining armour! the bin laden family is actually worth billions of dollars and is no stranger to the american umbrella of luxury... hands on the hooker: look at the porn star's body as oil... kip the pacifist gay caricature of france is chased away by Hutch/bin laden...the original plan was Matt (U.S.) and Hutch at the end we're told, but Matt backs off first...the terrorist only has his superficial victory because Matt was directed it was in his interest to allow it (ultimate immunity)... but anyway i'm on a limb on most of these things, I stand by my first post and general points more confidently...time will tell!
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Bucky Katt 3146 desperate attention whore postings
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09-10-03, 05:29 PM (EST)
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9. "I can't believe I am doing this..." |
on a more general level the actors represent the talking heads in the corporate media... I thought they represented nations? Now they reperesent something else? Molly represents the Christian right in American politics, Earl represents the military They are like that because they are stereoptypes of other reality show contestants - not because they are representing different aspects of society. Molly is a parody of Neleh from Survivor 4 (among others) and Earl is a parody of Rudy from Survivor 1 (among others). ...Gina i think was black -- Matt made a point of saying he was cool with interracial interraction ... is that a coincidence she was first off? Huh? So Gina represents African-Americans? That's a stretch. Matt (who in your scenario is the United States) tried to ally with Gina (who you are saying is African-Americans) and the other "countries" voted her off. That has absolutely nothing to do with the Iraq War. Furthermore, her race was barely an issue - her identity was that of a schemer, a know-it-all and a reality expert. i think the host represents the face of the corporate media Wait a minute, earlier you said all the cast represent corporate media now just the host does? and the love triangle represents the media's exploitation of sex...pretty girls attracted and seduced by wealth and prestige....corporations attracted to sex for ratings... But you said Molly represents the "Christian right" and now you are saying that the host (corporate media) is attracted to Molly (sex) for ratings. So Molly represents both the Christian right and the explotation of sex. Huh? Those are pretty much opposites. Which one is it? the bin laden family is actually worth billions of dollars and is no stranger to the american umbrella of luxury... But you said before it was Hutch representing Osama bin Laden and terrorists not the bin Laden family. Osama turned his back on that life of luxury to live in caves. hands on the hooker: look at the porn star's body as oil... kip the pacifist gay caricature of france is chased away by Hutch/bin laden...the original plan was Matt (U.S.) and Hutch at the end we're told, but Matt backs off first...the terrorist only has his superficial victory because Matt was directed it was in his interest to allow it (ultimate immunity)... So the terrorist wins the oil? That makes no sense. And what does Hutch (terrorists) scaring off Molly (the Christian right, sex in media, or whatever else you use her to represent) have to do with oil? Furthermore, we see in the first episode that Matt (USA) is trying to bridge the gap between Kip (France) and Hutch (terrorists). How exactly does that fit into your model? Looks to me like you came up with some theory and then have decided to stretch some facts to try and fit the theory while completely ignoring other facts that contradict it. Since I think it is obvious that your theory is full of holes so wide you could drive a tank through, I am not going to spend any more of time debunking it. "I gotta stop hanging out with dogs."
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vernonwells 18 desperate attention whore postings
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09-10-03, 06:32 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: I can't believe I am doing this..." |
I know you're resisting the impulse to call me insane, but you're a stickler for rules and are obeying the tolerance rule. Thank you. Admittedly, I am straying off into the bizarre here but anyway I must defend my argument and I have way too much time on my hands today.Its like in the 50's and 60's when the media wasn't allowed to talk about sex so there was all this veiled innuendo. Now they're not allowed to talk about the Iraq fraud so Joe Schmo is being used as a vehicle to get this message out implicitly. So I'll try to be more clear: The symbolism of the actors is two-fold...on a general level they represent talking heads of corporate media: i.e. tucker carlson not CNN. The analogy is they are "useful idiots", paid and instructed to perpetrate the hoax. Whenever they are in the trailer with the producers think of bill o'reilly being called into the Fox boardroom and his performance being reviewed. However, there is 9 of them (whatever the number). The show doesn't work if they're all the same. So the actors are given specific attributes. It is on this specific level that some begin to symbolize countries etc. - Brian, Britain; Matt ("the all american guy") - USA; Hutch, Osama; Kip - France. Now what do the others symbolize, no idea its too early. I offer up the Gina explanation as only a possibility. Same with Earl and Molly. And yes they are superficially modeled after reality show stereotypes. My point is this is a very controlled show and there is a hidden meaning behind the surface explanation. The host represents for example, CNN not Tucker Carlson. Actually not a single corporate media entity but the entire corporate media structure. Its like Natural Born Killers when the Geraldo character cheered on the Harrelson character. The host wants to screw the pretty gils and they are too anxious to oblige because of the promise of fame and wealth (i.e. playboy spread those survivor girls did). Why do you believe Osama has foresaked his wealth and lives in caves? Who told you this? The media. Thats my point. And I think you took the hooker analogy too literally. My point is Matt backed off because of a longer range strategy -- do what he's told and he will win new wealth. 9/11 was the superficial victory for the terrorists. Let the terrorist have his superficial victory to enable a military venture in Iraq. The Matt befriending Kip and Hutch thing is consistent with longstanding American alliances with France and Osama. But I'm not sure why we're debating this nobody can be proved wrong. I think I'm just bored today.
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Guppin1234 909 desperate attention whore postings
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09-11-03, 00:23 AM (EST)
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11. "RE: SPOILER WARNING: Deconstructing Joe Schmo" |
Granted the media tends to try to shape public opinion rather than just report the facts, but where do the producers and such fall within your speculations? Are they like back-door terrorists?
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vernonwells 18 desperate attention whore postings
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09-11-03, 00:50 AM (EST)
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12. "RE: SPOILER WARNING: Deconstructing Joe Schmo" |
I see the producers of the show to be people who have figured out the Iraq scam and are making a political statement (and some money but this seems pretty low budget to me).... they have either tricked the network into broadcasting their vehicle, or they have found sympathetic people who realize the Iraq war is a fraud...but anyway just a thought
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Lisapooh 12664 desperate attention whore postings
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09-11-03, 12:41 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: SPOILER WARNING: Deconstructing Joe Schmo" |
But wasn't this filmed over a year ago? Kinda hard to have it satirize a war that hadn't happened yet.
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09-11-03, 03:36 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: SPOILER WARNING: Deconstructing Joe Schmo" |
I've been cast as the lying schemer of the board. Oh, Schnittman, that must make me the quack. But since I'm a mod, does that mean I'm also on the production crew? Can't wait for your plate-smashing speech, Poho. I think I'm supposed to represent the U.N., but the mods haven't let me in on all that yet. I'd answer that for you, but since I represent Switzerland, I must remain neutral on that topic. Care for some chocolate?  Life is a game where we make up the rules as we go along.
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Lisapooh 12664 desperate attention whore postings
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09-11-03, 03:40 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: SPOILER WARNING: Deconstructing Joe Schmo" |
don't you mean Schnittzerland Bebo? You are so gonna blow the whole premise of the boards.
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Estee 55195 desperate attention whore postings
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09-11-03, 05:14 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: SPOILER WARNING: Deconstructing Joe Schmo" |
It's been said that the mark of great fiction is that every generation -- in fact, every person who peruses it -- can find something new and different in the text.However, what's currently under discussion is The Joe Schmoe Show. ...okay... Well -- given the limited career opportunities for those with double majors in history and pol-sci, maybe some unsung genius with an eye on current events found hirself forced into television work just to pay off the interest on those all-consuming student loans -- and, while going over the premise for the show, starting making deliberate, subtle adjustments to the characters, setting, and contests, not just thumbing hir nose at the Establishment(s), but demonstrating the full value of that hard-won, payment-in-progress education. Could have happened. Really. You have no idea how many history/pol-sci graduates are looking for work right now. The odds must have been at least one in something quantifiable. ...maybe we're just reading too much into it? (Can I be Brooklyn in this new UN? Just assume they did what they've been threatening to do since the 1890s and finally seceded from NYC, the United States, and, coming soon, Earth.)
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leverhume 15 desperate attention whore postings
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09-17-03, 00:10 AM (EST)
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23. "RE: SPOILER WARNING: Deconstructing Joe Schmo" |
Interesting stuff. Why does Osama (Hutch) sing America the Beautiful in Show 3? Strange choice of song. Is it because he's actually an American puppet? And Hutch always has immunity just like Osama.I did notice Kip (France) would not go along with Matt's (USA)proposed anti-Ashleigh alliance. That was interesting. Do not know if it fits in. I just do not understand why the actors cried at the end. This show is getting really strange, but man is it ever funny! I am going to have to think about this.
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leverhume 15 desperate attention whore postings
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09-17-03, 06:32 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: SPOILER WARNING: Deconstructing Joe Schmo" |
hey how about this? in the battle of the sexes game brian had to spank matt, and then get on all fours like a bunny and eat the carrot between matt's knees. this is like the us was a colony of britain but now blair is bush's poodle. i guess a poodle outfit would have been better than a bunny one.
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Guppin1234 909 desperate attention whore postings
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09-17-03, 09:35 PM (EST)
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25. "Thank you sir, may I have another!" |
I think you have to have masochistic tendencies to participate in shows like these any way, so I'm sure playing dress up and enhancing your diet aint no thing to these guys.
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09-24-03, 02:22 AM (EST)
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28. "RE: SPOILER WARNING: Deconstructing Joe Schmo" |
Damn, you give some hack writers great credit. This has nothing to do with that, if you take the "Real World MTV" as the example then this makes perfect sense, the ones who end up at the end (or conversely get the most air time) are the ones that would. The loveable guy, the friend guy, the freak. It always works like that, these are the characters that viewers are most interested in. And if you don't think those other shows are scripted you're insane.
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09-27-03, 06:30 PM (EST)
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33. "RE: more evidence" |
i hadnt thought of that but pat's lectures on personal relations are similar to the u.n.'s lectures on international relations...and matt/bush did bowl over pat/u.n. with his over agressive behaviour....oh yeah if you had any doubt about matt being france remember the bodet episode
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