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"Prize, Twist, and Shocks"
LAST EDITED ON 10-01-03 AT 11:21 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 10-01-03 AT 10:29PM (EST)

I don't want to give too much away here, so lemme say on these 3 topics. So disappointed in the "Ultimate prize" - not enough for the abuse, "Ultimate Twist" - it was somewhat original, but nothing we haven't been guessing, and as for Shocking - nothing really earth-shattering.

I will give this: the Barbies did well, so I wasn't too concerned with who did what. HOWEVER, the most beautiful moment (spoiler here) was when the high and mighty ex-players realized that their votes really didn't mean much and they didn't "Have the Power". When we saw their sour faces, that's when we jumped out of our seats and applauded.

But:
in terms of testing friendships,
you can read sbeck's thread,
and if you have already...

We Hereby Disassociate ourselves from one BARBIE.
Expect to get a hex on thee for listening to the WRONG people!!!

Angelfood & ITTechMom
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 RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks KMCamelot 10-01-03 1
   RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks managerr 10-01-03 2
       RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks tarmaq 10-01-03 3
           RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks The Jman 10-01-03 4
               We've found the voices talking to C... Angelfood 10-02-03 5
               RE: Twist the Knife, why don't you? RollDdice 10-02-03 7
               Dissapointed in Charla Sbez 10-02-03 21
           RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks Mjs 10-02-03 9
               RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks ITTechmom 10-02-03 13
 RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks EWriter 10-02-03 6
   RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks Chrissy gal 10-02-03 24
 RE: IS EVERYONE FAILING TO SEE.... So_Opinionated 10-02-03 8
   RE: IS EVERYONE FAILING TO SEE.... CantStandToLook 10-02-03 10
       Justifying Charla's Greed? RollDdice 10-02-03 17
           RE: Justifying Charla's Greed? johnnycasino1 10-02-03 26
               RE: Justifying Charla's Greed? RollDdice 10-02-03 27
                   RE: Justifying Charla's Greed? johnnycasino1 10-02-03 30
                       RE: Justifying Charla's Greed? RollDdice 10-03-03 41
                           Did Charla finally "tip" Dave? RollDdice 10-05-03 43
                               RE: Did Charla finally "tip" Dave? ITTechmom 10-05-03 44
                           RE: Justifying Charla's Greed? johnnycasino1 10-06-03 45
                               RE: Justifying Charla's Greed? Kellbell 10-07-03 52
 Painful Breezy 10-02-03 11
   Dave screwed himself... cgdog 10-02-03 12
   RE: Painful ITTechmom 10-02-03 14
       RE: Painful So_Opinionated 10-02-03 23
   PRIDE, not $$ Angelfood 10-02-03 16
       RE: PRIDE, not $$ RollDdice 10-02-03 18
   RE: Painful ginger 10-02-03 19
       RE: Painful Loree 10-02-03 22
       RE: Painful johnnycasino1 10-03-03 31
   RE: Painful chichi 10-03-03 37
 RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks Schnookie Palookie 10-02-03 15
 Dave's comment to Holly MadFashion 10-02-03 20
   RE: Dave's comment to Holly ray 10-02-03 25
       RE: Dave bad, Charla worst, Keith &... RollDdice 10-02-03 28
           RE: Dave bad, Charla worst, Keith &... soapie 10-06-03 46
   RE: Dave's comment to Holly chichi 10-03-03 38
       RE: Dave's comment to Holly MadFashion 10-03-03 39
           RE: Dave's comment to Holly chichi 10-03-03 42
               RE: Dave's comment to Holly sbeck 10-06-03 50
       RE: Dave's comment to Holly katinka 07-15-04 56
 RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks LadyT 10-02-03 29
 RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks supercon 10-03-03 32
   What do we think of Toni? Angelfood 10-03-03 35
 Teaser on 96x.ca superstepmom1 10-03-03 33
 RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks RollDdice 10-03-03 34
   "Ultimate" Angelfood 10-03-03 36
       RE: "Ultimate Happy Meals" RollDdice 10-03-03 40
           On soapie 10-06-03 47
               RE: On Kellbell 10-07-03 51
                   RE: On Chrissy gal 10-07-03 53
 RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks jojo11 10-09-03 54
   RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks Chrissy gal 10-09-03 55

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1. "RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks"
I would have to agree, I was hoping the ultimate prize was that one of the winners would have to give up the "prize" to a booted off member......just kidding! I think that the end didn't live up to the hype, but hey what did we expect after all that drama. Just glad to see that some of the ex members really sucked it up and turned out to be not that bad. Can't wait until the next soap opera begins.
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2. "RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks"
By the time the ex-members filmed the finale, they were realized how much they were hated and had time to curb their behavior...if not for that, I think a lot of them would have been just as nasty.
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3. "RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks"
I'll join you in being dissociated from one Barbie. I wonder what her partner will think when he sees that his gal took advice from TONI, of all people. "You deserve it ALL, sweetie. Don't feel guilty." Ugh! If her partner wouldn't have been there for her she would have left long before. I thought they were a team, for crying out loud. I kept looking at it this way - if the prize would have been split 4 ways at $125K per person, would they all have been happy? Yes... But in this case, with the opportunity to have an even bigger kitty, this Barbie looked materialistic and unappreciative.
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4. "RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks"
What bothers me is that Charla let Toni and Melanie influence her!! It sounded to me like she was considering giving him half!! Yes Dave did mess up at the end,but she wouldn't've gotten this far without him!!

Keith did the right thing,although he and Tara have more of a relationship. I'm disappointed in Charla. I'm going to send Chucky over there to kill Barbie!!

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5. "We've found the voices talking to Charlie Manson"
Exactly.
That's what kills me.
I know she's young, but she still shoulda said, ok, you've said your piece, bye bye. And then decided to do the oppose of what they said - JUST DESPITE THEM. I hate it that toni got a little cheer at the end. It's worth losing 125000 just to piss off the SheHulk. Don't let Dave get beat by Toni. Have you no Dignity, people!


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7. "RE: Twist the Knife, why don't you?"
>What bothers me is that Charla
>let Toni and Melanie influence
>her!! It sounded to me
>like she was considering giving
>him half!!
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I'm still so ticked off, I could spit nails. (Anyone need some quick carpentry?)
I don't buy the theory that Toni and Melanie influenced Charla. She's been tuning those two out for weeks. However, C was in the market for some justification besides her overwhelming greed.

I've been making this call on Charla for weeks now. I can't believe she looked Dave in the eye and gave him that "Would you still be my friend?" bull$h1t.

It's a sad day in Paradise when Amy looks honest. At least with her, you see the knife coming at you.


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21. "Dissapointed in Charla"
I was so dissapointed in her keeping the money to herself. I don't believe Dave would have done the same thing. They were a team and if it weren't for him she would not have gotten a dime. She still would have gotten more money then she had, what a poor choice she made.
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9. "RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks"
This ending was truely disappointing on many fronts.
The biggest was when Charla took the advice from Toni and didn't share her money with Dave. I know Dave screwed up in the end, but Charla would not have lasted if it weren't for Dave. All I can think about is how Dave protected Charla from all the originals. He was truely used by Charla. And the way she questioned him in the end. That was just cruel.

I am glad that Keith won. I am equally happy that he shared his money with Tara. I am totally confused as to WHY they would take everyone to Las Vegas! OMG WHY??? I would have taken the money and said to all the originals SEE YA! WOULDN'T WANT TO BE YA!

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13. "RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks"
My thoughts exactly! Why in the world would Keith and Tara blow what little money they received on that group of thugs? I wonder if Dave went along, too.

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6. "RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks"
Keith really did me proud by showing he was a bigger man than the sorry losers. I actually thought he & Tara were going to announce their engagement when they said they were taking everyone to Vegas (Vegas? Weddings? Maybe Keith & Tara will get Zack & Amy drunk & get them married.)

Dave was RIPPED to shreds by all the guests during that session. Some of it he deserved...some. I was cool w/ him until his promise to Holly. That was a case of him "overanalyzing".
I do wonder how his friends at home felt he did overall.

I do believe Charla let herself be influenced into not giving Dave any $$$$. Of course, I don't know anything about her home situation.

Overall, I enjoyed the finale. I would have liked a FINAL twist where the couples that agreed to share their winnings would get double or triple their winnings. (Keith & Tara getting $250k or $375k each vs. Charla still keeping $250).

I don't think any seasons after this can compare as everyone will be playing to the camera now.

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24. "RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks"
>>I would have liked a FINAL twist where the couples that agreed to share their winnings would get double or triple their winnings. (Keith & Tara getting $250k or $375k each vs. Charla still keeping $250).<<

I think this would have been the ULTIMATE TWIST!!! The producers really missed a great opportunity there!

In fact I think Charla showed her lack of understanding of the game by not thinking about a possible final twist.

And Charla showed her lack of understanding of human nature by not sharing the money. She saw people turn on others for seemingly small things, yet she could not predict that the public would turn on her if she didn't share the money.

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8. "RE: IS EVERYONE FAILING TO SEE...."
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If the had not switched the couples Charla would have LOST. Dave's actions put them in jeopardy!!!! Don't get me wrong I was and am 100% for the Barbies but when Dave pulled that crap last week I lost so much respect for him. Yes he helped her the enitre game but she also kept him there. I DO NOT BELIEVE DAVE DESERVES 50%..he do deserve something like $50,000 but 125k and he would not have won anything if they had not switched. Dave should be happy.

And finally, I DO NOT BELIEVE DAVE WOULD HAVE GIVEN HER 50% HAD HE WON WITH TARA.

Charla is wrong if she gives hime nothing BUT she is right if she give him less than 50%. SHE WOULD HAVE GOT NOTHING IF SHE HAD TO BE VOTED ON WITH DAVE AS HER PARTNER..SO HE IS ACTUALLY COMING OUT WITH SOMETHING IF SHE GIVE HIM $50,000.

Yes, I am So Opinionated.

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10. "RE: IS EVERYONE FAILING TO SEE...."
LAST EDITED ON 10-02-03 AT 07:52 AM (EST)

I was a bit dissappointed that Dave seemed to get the shaft last night. I agree that if Charla had been paired with Dave, they would have both lost. I also agree that it appears like she listened to Baloni and Smellani but I think in the end, she was probably listening more to Dave. The decision to question him before making her decision was influenced by the two idiots but his response and reactions to her questions are what I think she took into account in the final decision.

It didn't piss me off that she didn't share. What pissed me off is that Foni Balonie and the others seemed to get the vindication that they somehow thought they deserved. I truly believe that Dave was entitled to something, maybe not 50%, but something because it was his original plan that got the four of them to the finals. In the end, he still has Charlas friendship or maybe it's just that he's still in love with her. The opportunity to meet and get to know someone as beautiful as her was probably half worth it to him because before this show, that may never have been a possibility. Despite the money, he still came out light-years ahead of the originHO's and in many eyes even slightly ahead of Charla. He's got a incredible brain and while $125K would have been awesome, I'm convinced he'll still get his, just the old fashioned way. He'll work for it.

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17. "Justifying Charla's Greed?"
CSTL -

Do you still want to throw rose petals on Charla's pillow and run away with her?

As I've said in too many posts already, I don't believe Charla listened to Foni/Smellani - she's never depended upon their opinions/approval before. She was just looking for some rationale to stiff Dave.

The truth is that Dave has screwed up, but he has also carried her through this game. She would have quit or pi$$ed people off herself if he wasn't running interference for her the whole time. (It's hard to win if you've been eliminated weeks before.)

As for "the opportunity to meet and get to know someone as beautiful as her was probably half worth it to him"... give me a break.

I'll bet you $250k that she's got "call blocking" on Dave's telephone number right now. As I said in the 9/17 summary, "Nice girl."

Dave finally got screwed by Charla, but not the way he had hoped.



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26. "RE: Justifying Charla's Greed?"
Sorry about the long post, but wanted to give some of my theories of why Charla's decision is not necessarily greedy or evil.

I have mixed emotions about Charla - I want to give her the benefit of the doubt. Dave's statement today that "Charla was obviously playing the game" implies Dave believes she was never going to give him the money.

If Charla has spent two months with Dave and just found out over the last few days that Dave had lied to her, Keith and Tara, I can see her being fairly upset. I would think that learning all this over 2 or 3 days and then having ex-guests come back on making comments that Dave was lying and playing everybody, I would think anybody would have doubts whether the other person had been lying to you and possible scheming.

My other comment is around these Reality Show winners - If you think about it, any of these winners could give money after the game to the other folks who didn't win, but they don't - Because they realize that the show wasn't really reality and that they only knew that person for one month, maybe two. How can you give a virtual stranger $125,000? - I would have a hard time doing that. As an audience, we think we know these people like they are our friends, but we don't.

With the way Dave played, I'm sure he had considered how the show might end. He probably considered that there may have been a competition at the end of the game where only one person would walk away with everything by competing against their roommate - I think he would have competed and tried to beat Charla - like he said about Keith "It's easier to compete against someone when you're mad at them".

While I'm not sure what I would have done in a similar situation, I don't think Charla should be downgraded from wonderful to horrible for just doing this. I'm sure Dave had told Charla that he is a successfull businessmen, so she probably thought he wouldn't need the money or really care about the prize. Dave seemed to want to win out of a competitive nature, not because he necessarily wanted the ultimate prize.

Thanks for listening and I will miss the fellow message board folks who have made this message board such a fun place to share thoughts about my high school, I mean Paradise Hotel!

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27. "RE: Justifying Charla's Greed?"
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johnnycasino1 wrote: I don't think Charla should be downgraded from wonderful to horrible for just doing this. I'm sure Dave
>had told Charla that he is a successfull businessmen, so
>she probably thought he wouldn't need the money or really
>care about the prize.
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You've written a thoughtful Pro-Charla argument. Here are just two of the many holes in your theory:

1)Charla should be downgraded to "horrible" because this was not an isolated act, it was the last act in a pattern of behavior toward Dave. In short, he helped her and she stabbed him.

2) Charla "probably thought he wouldn't need the money". OMG, that makes sense! Dave: "Oh, look at that. I just found one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars in my pants pocket. I must have forgotten about it because I live on the Planet CrunchNMunch where we don't need money to live. So glad I caught that before I sent these pants to the cleaners."

I also love the implication that Charla has a loving family and Dave doesn't (even though he said his parents are divorced and he's not close with his siblings). Therefore (you reason), Charla is Mother Teresa and Dave doesn't want to help others because he was raised by wolves.

So, it seems pretty clear that Charla is selfish, greedy and cruel. Evil? That's a hard standard to reach, but she definitely has the basic "skill set".


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30. "RE: Justifying Charla's Greed?"
"I must have forgotten about it because I live on the Planet CrunchNMunch where we don't need money to live. So glad I caught that before I sent these pants to the cleaners."

Okay, I couldn't stop laughing after reading this line you wrote. Very good reply to what I wrote. I want to agree with you, but I can't.

Planet CruchNMunch isn't a bad place to live.

Your point about $125K is my point exactly - That's a lot of money and just giving it away to another person isn't an easy decision. Yes, it's still a lot of money regardless of your CrunchNMunch lifestyle, but I can see Charla justifying that Dave doesn't really need the money (whether that's true or not).

Don't you think that Dave's personality is such that he was probably telling everybody at the hotel what a successfull businessman he is and all these things he does with his consulting company? The producers wouldn't show this because it would be boring. Remember how he annoyed Scott at the beginning of the season when he kept telling Scott that Scott was really a "day trader". Dave wanted to come across as this savvy businessman.

I think Charla is 21 and Dave is 28? - Charla could believe that Dave is this successful older guy who doesn't need the money to start a career like she does. I know at 21 and dirt poor in college, I would have had a difficult time giving up $125K regardless of whether the other person deserved it.

RollDDice, I agree with you that everybody would want the $125K, but if you really wanted to give money to who helped Charla win this thing, it would be the producers. They twisted and turned the script so that the outcome was down to the final 4 of Keith, Tara, Charla and Dave. (The producers probably would have been fine with Scott and Holly in the finals, but it wouldn't have been as exciting for the ex-guests.)

Sorry I couldn't come up with anything as funny as Planet CrunchNMunch!

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41. "RE: Justifying Charla's Greed?"
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Your point about $125K is my point exactly - That's a lot of money and just giving it away to another person isn't an easy decision. Yes, it's still a lot of money regardless of your CrunchNMunch lifestyle, but I can see Charla justifying that Dave doesn't really need the money (whether that's true or not).
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Part of what you say is certainly valid. But who is Charla to determine if Dave needs the money or not? Is she going to run a TRW credit check on him? (And your wild guess that Dave was bragging about his business success is just that ... a wild a$$ guess. You don't know and I don't know.)
Besides, the PH game isn't "Who has the saddest sob story?"

The problem is that they all went through an emotional roller coaster. Perhaps something on the order of an extended hostage situation (with a no-host bar) or a World Wrestling Federation storyline. But you have to acknowlege that Dave helped Charla and he certainly protected her.

But at the end she goes all Monty Hall on his a$$ and starts rationalizing that she needs the money more than he does. As a television audience we witnessed one of the most embarrassing relationship-enders possible, complete with a quick financial (non) settlement. My jaw still tightens as I recall Charla's lip quivering as she asks Dave, "Will you still be my friend?" But Dave did not whine or beg or plead with her. I give him a lot of credit for that.

To me, it's almost worse for Charla to dole out some money now. It's like she's put on the green accounting eyeshade, pulled out her calculator and is trying to determine how much to "tip" him for the services he provided. Charla: "Well, he did support me every step of the way and protect me from the mean people. But he also screwed up a lot. What's fifteen percent of that?"

I never heard if she gave him any money (can anyone fill me in on this?) and I certainly don't know what her thought process was/is/will be.

Maybe I think she'd have to look up to see whale droppings (and that, my friends, is pretty low.) But it's all part of the game, and Charla will play it the way that seems right to her. Let the karmic chips fall where they may.

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43. "Did Charla finally "tip" Dave?"
LAST EDITED ON 10-05-03 AT 05:13 PM (EST)

Did anyone hear if Charla the Snake ever gave Dave anything besides the cold shoulder? Just curious.



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44. "RE: Did Charla finally "tip" Dave?"
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Hey, Roll!

Superstepmom1 posted this link to an interview. Keith totally tears Charla a new one. Dave, as usual, plays whipping boy to Charla. He doesn't go after her at all.

http://www.96x.ca/cgi-bin/more?category=morningshow&id=100449

Dave also gave an interview on Thursday saying that he didn't maintain the friendships he had hoped to.

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45. "RE: Justifying Charla's Greed?"
Yes, the show's been over for almost a week, but something keeps bringing me back. RollDDice has some great arguments, I will give my final .02 cents.

>Part of what you say is certainly valid. But who is
>Charla to determine if Dave needs the money or not?
>Is she going to run a TRW credit check on
>him? (And your wild guess that Dave was bragging about
>his business success is just that ... a wild a$$
>guess. You don't know and I don't know.)
>Besides, the PH game isn't "Who has the saddest sob story?"

I don't know what Dave told him. But based on that night with Scott and several comments by guests that Dave always needed to prove he was the smartest guy around, it's a logical assumption. And in many of these reality shows, contestants do try to win the game by claiming to have the saddest sab story. It's been a successfull strategy at times.

>But at the end she goes all Monty Hall on his
>a$$ and starts rationalizing that she needs the money more
>than he does.

You have to admit this is a reality game show classic - You've seen it in Survivor, Big Brother, Amazing Race (and now on PHo)- There are those who justify winning over others because the other person supposedly is well off. For example, I remember Pappy the Judge on Survivor being considered for vote off because he was "well off". (Bryan the used car salesman who won one of the Survivors was afraid of getting the boot if others found out about his nice house, number of cars and baby grand piano (Which they did in that videotape, but he was able to win through the right alliances instead).

Again, I don't know if I would have done what Charla did, but it doesn't make her evil; just shows she has some maturing to do.

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52. "RE: Justifying Charla's Greed?"
It's easy to sit back and watch this show and say, "I would have given Dave half or some of the money"...but in the end who really knows what the final decision would have been? She found out what his feelings on the whole thing were and she went with that. Keith and Tara, classy couple. You just knew that they would share. They dealt with all the crap they were dealt with class and dignity (or as much as you can have on these reality shows) so I was choked up when Keith sat with her and explained himself. Actually, I was thinking (and I have been a fan of Dave's for awhile now) that Charla did what she had to do. Dave is a big boy, he's probably cashing in on this as we speak.
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11. "Painful"
The whole thing was just painful to watch. I agree I don't think Toni talked Charla into not sharing. Charla wasn't going to share. Sorry Dave.


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12. "Dave screwed himself..."
I don't fault Charla at all for keeping all the money. And I also don't believe that Toni's "advice" had any impact on her decision at all.

She obviously wrestled with the decision very hard. I also think that when she walked up to talk with Dave that she was really leaning towards giving him the money, but as Dave had managed to do all night, he opened his mouth and ruined any chance he had just like he did when confronting the jury group.

That said, I was happy to see Keith and Charla win.

I will find Zack & Amy totally HYPOCRITICAL if they go on the Vegas trip that Keith and Tara offered! If they go, it's all about taking advantage of Keith's winnings.

Thought Desiree had the best line of the night when she broke down at the end and said "Can we all just drop this animosity crap and be friends?" If she really meant it, that was good. But it didn't sink in well with some, ie: Toni, who moments later could be seen grinning like a moron when putting her vote in the box. And for the love of God, Amy just can't let one segment go to get in another one of her cheap shots at Dave.

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14. "RE: Painful"
Something to think about:

Maybe the producers told Charla not to give Dave the money considering they manipulated the everyone right from the beginning.


I hope Charla watches the show and sees what lengths Dave went to for her:
1-defend her to the death
2-support her many crying fits
3-have special meals sent to her
4-keep her fighting for her place on the show

What comes around goes around!

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23. "RE: Painful"
True Dave did those great things for Charla but watching Dave week after week after week , he had a motive. Dave wanted so badly for Charla to like him he would have taken a bullet for the girl. Was Dave trying to fullfil his need or was he looking out for her when he did the nice things. Dave does not deserve 50% but he does deserve something. I really question if Dave would have given her 50%. Until last week I would have said Yes but after the lying episode I don't know who he really is. (
As much as anyone can know someone from a TV show) By the way, if Dave had had the power last week to eliminate a couple I question if he would have kept on Keith & Tara beacuse of his manipulation and overthinking.
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16. "PRIDE, not $$"
good morning all,

Glad to see all the views on this.
Whether Char let t&M influence her or not, the points are:
1. They THOUGHT they influenced her.
2. She let them be part of the game after they were out.
3. She could have made an arrangement with Dave to give him a small amount, but the announcement would still have been "sharing the money".
4. that way, Dave would still Win in the eyes of the orig's and in effect, wouldn't have been beaten by them. I agree with above views that winning was more important to him than money.
5. Him having $$ would totally make their votes null and void.
6. Charla still never stood up for herself. She should have said to Toni, "i know you are just looking out for me (half-lie), but you have 10 secs. to speak your piece and then please leave, as this is my decision, and since you are against Dave and Melanie, you are no fan of mine, neither of you have the right to have any say in this. I'm sorry, and i'll be happy to talk afterwards."

They should have me be the speech-writer and give the audience what they REALLY want.
And yes, a bash on the head for her from ROLL.

And kudos go to RollD, who apparently was more correct about her nature (altho i still don't think she's as evil as he claims) and self-centeredness. He called her all along and I was wishful thinking.



see, I'm *evil* now. 'nough of this sugar-sweetness. hee hee.

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18. "RE: PRIDE, not $$"
>And kudos go to RollD, who
>apparently was more correct about
>her nature (altho i still
>don't think she's as evil
>as he claims) and self-centeredness.
> He called her all
>along and I was wishful
>thinking.
==================================
Thanks, Angelfood. I'm starting to calm down. I wish I could have the same instincts at the craps table as I did about Charla from the beginning -- I'd join the PH cast in Las Vegas and make a fortune.

I am still telling people that they're "full of Charla" when I disagree with them. I'm getting some funny looks, but I can live with that.


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19. "RE: Painful"
Charla knows Dave will forgive her; she practically made him make the decision.

Splitting prize option is interesting twist - think about application for other shows (e.g., June, Ali, you can both skip the jury process if you agree to split the $500k 50-50 right now).

Keith is one deft guy. His approach to the jury (unlike poor Dave's) was perfectly played. Hope he has busfare home from Vegas, though; that was an over-the-top final gesture.

I know I should have been moved by Desiree's can't-we-just-get-along speech but she makes me too sick. The digs at Charla's social skills, etc. were unecessary, particulary given Des' late entry into the game. I made a joke elsewhere about her nose being permanently snagged up the collective backsides of the Originals, but I need to revise that. She's so far up there I can't even see the bottom of her shoes.

I think this show was, as Salon put it, "rancidly brilliant." The combination of soap and game, the idea of changing the rules so the outcome suits the viewers, etc., the Jon Waters casting of people like Toni, all combined to keep otherwise intelligent people (like you and me) watching. Much better guilty pleasure overall than expected.

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22. "RE: Painful"
Desiree still annoys me too. She was on the show for such a brief time. And yet she acts like she was one of the originals. She just wishes she was one. She just wanted attention. But she got it by making digs at others that just made herself look really bad.

And why is Matt still so angry at Dave?

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31. "RE: Painful"
At least Desiree didn't do her Pac-Man "constantly talking" hand gesture.

I have a feeling that the producers encouraged Desiree to make the "Let's just all get along" speech just like I'm sure they encouraged Toni, Melanie and Alex to visit Charla and Keith before their money sharing decision. The producers wanted this last bit of drama, because how exciting would it be to just watch Charla and Keith pace around in their room?

You would think that since Toni is 30 years old, she could say no to the producers every now and then - She seems always willing to grab a photo opportunity - My worst fear is that Toni will be the host of Paradise Hotel II !

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37. "RE: Painful"
Charla played Dave like a fiddle. she is one cold calculating fish. that's what it is.
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15. "RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks"
I am totally disappointed that Charla didn't share her prize. No matter what Dave did, they were a couple for a long time. I would have been happy to see all four of them walk away with $125,000.

That said, I'm thrilled that Keith won and shared with Tara. He's my hero.

If only they had gone through with Keith's suggestion of telling them all to f-off rather than give a speech. Would have loved seeing that.

Couldn't believe it when Keith announced they were taking everyone to Vegas. Sheesh. Watch out for Alex's cheating

My final comment: If there is a god out there, puleeeeeeeease do not bring TONI back for the next P-Ho show.


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20. "Dave's comment to Holly"
I know it probably lost you the game, but America thanks you Dave, for the wickedest and most deserved burn of the entire PH season:

Holly: "Why did you say that to me Dave, it didn't even help you!"

Dave: "Well I'm standing here."

The losers couldn't have looked more shocked if they had been slapped! I laughed out loud! I want a poster made of that moment to be framed and hung as the center-piece for the next PH. Just as a reminder that what goes around comes around.

P.S. If I were Charla I wouldn't have given Dave the whole $125,000 either. Sorry RollD, I think she's likable.

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25. "RE: Dave's comment to Holly"
You took the words right out of my mouth.....madFashion. My jaw just dropped by his total stupidity. Lets face it....he just doesn't get it. I am soooooooooooooooooooo happy that Keith and Charla won.......................

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28. "RE: Dave bad, Charla worst, Keith & Tara very, very good."
Just to nip any confusion in the bud ...

Dave said many stupid things. Shot himself in the foot (and about three ft. higher as well) too many times to count. This reached its jaw-dropping peak at the final Tribal Council (or whatever the PH equivilant is called). Ultimately, he did not play the game very well at all.

Charla used, abused and finally screwed Dave to the wall (even if she subsequently gave him some pro-rated amount).

I have been rooting for Keith and Tara for quite awhile, as they have been honest, genuine and funny throughout.


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46. "RE: Dave bad, Charla worst, Keith & Tara very, very good."
LAST EDITED ON 10-06-03 AT 08:26 AM (EST)

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38. "RE: Dave's comment to Holly"
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Anyone who thinks Charla is likable is one sick puppy.

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39. "RE: Dave's comment to Holly"
Hey ChiChi-

Did you read the guidelines? Play nice!

P.S. I STILL like Charla

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42. "RE: Dave's comment to Holly"
okok-you don't have to be a sick puppy to think Charla is a person of integrity, just gullible. is that better?
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50. "RE: Dave's comment to Holly"
Much better! (I still like Charla, too- just disappointed in her)
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56. "RE: Dave's comment to Holly"
DAVE'S A FOOL CHARLA ROX AND SO DOES THE OTHER BARBIE AND KEITH
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29. "RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks"
Keith showed himself as the classy guy he is by sharing the money. Charla comes off as a money grubbing wench. Yes Dave was over the top, but she used him as he used her. They got there together, she should have shared. They both used each other. I am extremely disappointed


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32. "RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks"
Angelfood and ITTechMom


Your 100% correct. Dave was played like a stratovarious from beginning to end. Charla also played Tara and Keith to insure that she would be protected.

If it wasn't for Dave she would have been out along time ago.

As far as the other's are concerned, they deserved to loose. Keith and Tara were too kind after the abuse that they took not only during the episodes but at the interviews. The only thing I would have offered to pay for was psycological testing.

What is your thoughts about Toni.....

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35. "What do we think of Toni?"
Hello,
Welcome supercon.

Good to see that you found a thread where you belong (hee hee), with like minds, of course. We really like your strat reference. Feel free to copy your other longer message and post under any Charla conversation thread. (Just be hesitant to start a thread until you've looked things over, that's what I do). Glad that you like our comments, but you would be in agreement even more with RolldDice's anti-Charla posts (pretty funny too).

What do I think of Toni? You just opened a whole box of worms there, my friend. I am at ITTechmom's house now, so these are our thoughts together (btw, shes still mad at me for getting her hooked on the stupid show, but I say misery loves company).

During the pilot ep (which I made her watch with me), we recognized toni baloni from love cruise (she watched more than me and says "she was totally hideous on there") and she said, "OH NO", "i hope they vote out Bug Eyes on the first episode". She's the girl you "love to hate", and america responds accordingly. She would find her niche in the WWE, army drill sergeant team or as a soap-opera villianess. I do abhor most of her aggressive behavior and abusive yelling, but even those never were as bad as Amy's verbal threats and Andon's physical threatening of Dave.

All in all, i just pity her. No one at PHotel really hooked up with her, unless you count one night of alex's beer goggles. No one made her a pinkyswear. She cried to Dave that no men would love her and she doesn't feel attractive. Her "baby girl" Lamy allowed toni to leave, when toni deserved and wanted to be there more. I think Toni is a good friend, but horrible to everyone else. She's an insecure coward who hurts others for her own benefit, because nothing else in her life gives her confidence. Maybe if she ever had a child, she would become less selfish and find the unconditional love she longs for (i only bring this up since I hear from others that it changed them in those ways). I guess that I still think there is hope for her yet. She's only 50% devil spawn.

Now, back to bashing/teasing her:

http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID48/371.shtml#19 goto post #18
or read any of my summaries

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33. "Teaser on 96x.ca"
http://www.96x.ca/cgi-bin/more?category=morningshow&id=100449

Here is a teaser of the interview with the fab 4 - Keith's really making a big deal of the money thing. Have a listen and tune in next week for the rest.

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34. "RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks"
Angelfood -

The Ultimate Prize was a bit of a disappointment even if the two-check twist was interesting.

What happened to the days when "One Meeeelyon Dollars" was the norm? Leave it to Fox to drop the base level and still call it ultimate.

Off to get the Ultimate Cheeseburger ...

- Roll


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36. ""Ultimate""
hey hey hey ,

Love the comparison.

would that be the "ultimate happy meal" kids-size burger or is it bigger than the fox definition? and it comes with an "ultimate prize". Let us know if it compares with the Foxx prize. My 2 yr old gets a Porsche in his prize and Keith got a "Barbie" of his own to keep.


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40. "RE: "Ultimate Happy Meals""
would that be the "ultimate happy
>meal" kids-size burger or is
>it bigger than the fox
>definition? and it comes
>with an "ultimate prize".
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I wonder what would be a good "Happy Meal" prize for each of the PH guests? Here are my first thoughts. Feel free to share.

Dave: The "Plot and Plan" Happy Meal with decoder ring and PH home game.
Charla: The "Hermit" Happy Meal with makeup kit and earplugs.
Toni: The "Incredible Bulk" Happy Meal with ephedra and testosterone.
Amy: The "Emotionally Unbalanced" Happy Meal with crying towel and giant pointing finger.
Zack: The "Prison System Starter Kit" Happy Meal with chip for shoulder and "50 guys".

(I can't wait to see Angelfood go to town on this one! )



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47. "On "
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I jumped in this thread because I heard it was booming!

I never liked her!!! Through the whole show she always stated "Dave is my best friend!" Am I wrong?

I don't know about some of you but if my best friend helped me through the whole game, protected me from the "bullies", and pushed me to stay to the end...I sure as h#ll would share that money with that person. Whether they were successful or not!!!

He probably would need that money...who wouldn't??

I doubt Dave is bringing home 100,000.00 a year from his job. Why would he bother going on a reality show?

Thumbs up to Roll Dice! Good arguments!

Charla, poor little girl who has such a "wonderful family"

Isn't the divorce rate over 60%!!! Most of us have divorced parents!!!

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51. "RE: On "
Charla is the kind of girl that you like and want to shake at the same time. She's 21, so young and it makes you wonder why she came on a show like this in the first place? She didn't socialize and she says it's because that's how she is but why be on a show where socializing (among other things) is the main point. After seeing how "high school" all the originals acted, I guess I can't blame the girl for crying all the time but she sure got tough in the end....and played all those other idiots like fiddles. Toni wasn't trying to be a friend to her when she gave the advice about keeping the money, she was just trying to get one last jab at Dave. That chick is strange, and scary. She came off looking like a psycho just like she did on Love Cruise....30 years old, geez, time to grow up.
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Welcome to SB Kellbell! One of the scariest things about Toni is that she has fans!?!?

Be sure to join us on our other forums, we love to hear insight from new members.

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Hi all,
I'm new to the show , caught a few episodes. Does anyone know where the hotel is located. Love to go there.
Thanks
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55. "RE: Prize, Twist, and Shocks"
Welcome Jojo. Here's a link to the website:

http://www.susanapalazuelos.com/lugares/arabe.html

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