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"Spoiler Free for me (support group)"
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"Spoiler Free for me (support group)" |
It will be tough.
It will be rough.
I pledge not to peek,
but I am so weak.
Who else is going spoiler free this season? It's going to crash my game scores but at least I'll have an excuse for it.
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4. "RE: Spoiler Free for me (support group)" |
Me, I've been Spoiler-free for years. I did peek a couple of times back in the day, but found either1) the spoiler was bogus or 2) I rather be surprised So, welcome to the light side!
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5. "RE: Spoiler Free for me (support group)" |
I appluad you in your decision and will do my best not to make mention of the addition of a monkey to the cast.
Oops. Sorry.
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6. "RE: Spoiler Free for me (support group)" |
I'm with you on that Suzzee. I'll just go to spoilers for the vidcaps and Veruca's thread.
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10. "Spoiler Free Game?" |
I have been thinking about running a Spoiler free PTTE game for several seasons now. PTTE is a boot list game. Predict the order of Survivors kicked out of the game.
It could be a one list. (Predict the entire season by 1st or 2nd show)
It could be run like the regular game with points for list changes, a few free edits and other stuff. I could do it through PM's Maybe the Blue Peeps would allow the game to be in this forum. Any ideas? 
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michel 10812 desperate attention whore postings
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09-09-10, 05:32 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Spoiler Free Game?" |
But we can't keep people who are spoiled out of the game.
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13. "RE: Spoiler Free Game?" |
So true michel but I think we're honest enough to go ahead and do it. I think I would like to watch the first one or two episodes to get a feel for editing and all. It's sort of like the Seinfeld episode The Contest. "You caved?!"
"It's over!?!"
"You're out?!?"
"Oh my God, the Queen is dead!"
"I figured you'd cruise, at least through the spring..."
- George and Jerry, reacting with shock at the news that Elaine has dropped out of "The Contest" So, can we do this and be the Master of our Domains? Doing a one list after the first episode seems good to me.
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21. "RE: Spoiler Free for me (support group)" |
I dont like spoilers either, thats why I made my Home Survivor game as speculative as possible.~ Raises right hand ~ I, ARW, do solemly swear to stay away from spoilers this season. There I did it. LOL. ARW
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25. "RE: Spoiler Free for me (support group)" |
*stands up & takes a deep breath*Hey, my name is kircon and I am a spoiler addict. *hangs head* I was clean since the final episode of last season also. *looks at everyone* But I spoiled for you all!! I wrote the SOTS!! For you all. *looks around* I have no problem, I can stop anytime.
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29. "RE: Spoiler Free for me (support group)" |
I agree with your position, however that is not what we are saying. Sure if we happen to get spoiled inadvertantly and we all know it will happen from time to time, that is innocent and annoying but mostly innocent.What we are addressing is the out right search for before hand knowledge to this seasons Survivor. I host a game on the Survivor Games Forum Threads, and last year close to the middle of the game, I had been told a number of time about the Spoiler Sites, and what to expect in future situations. Because I have been made aware of this fact, I have changed a great deal of my game to make it even more speculative and not ask questions easily found by any website. This makes it fairer for all. Some of us have or want to go back to the days when these sites did not exist and allowed for the suspence and drama. When you konw too much information too soon, its like reading a book, and then watching the made for tv movie. It loses appeal because you know whats going to happen before it does and when the script does not match the spoiler given its disappointing when we are made fools. I agree that these newbies that forget themselves have a place on the message board, and that without new views and ideas the show just loses its appeal. However, once again, the rest of us are taking this season cold turkey, and vowing not to purposely search for information, but rather enjoy the show the way it is intended. ARW
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09-17-10, 08:14 AM (EST)
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31. "RE: Spoiler Free for me (support group)" |
ARW, spoiler sites have always existed. This site started with the express purpose to spoil survivor. Borneo had "black Gretchen" "X Gervase" and "uncle camerman". Tina was spoiled as the winner by Tapewatcher who, around merge time, made a great post that Tina had to win because she was the "dog that didn't bark", the only player without a confessional in episode #1. The same Tapewatcher hit another homerun in Africa where he noticed "The Star of David". On numerous occasion the sun was shown looking like the star of David just before Ethan came on screen. Those were fun spoilers, based on observation which I enjoyed. But, starting in Marquesas, inside spoiling began. Snewser had an inside source and he revealed the name of the bootee before each episode. He revealed the winner before the finale. Snewser did the same for the next 5 seasons or so. ChillOne wrote a book on spoiling after stumbling on the Amazon location soon after filming had ended and he got a description of the last players standing from locals who had helped filming. He had many facts right. ChillOne hit again in Panama where he told us that a Pilot would go on an immunity run and would be F4 with a black nurse, a girl with Blonde hilights and a tall man. Then we had mersaydeez, Toot of Time, TrueDorkTimes among others who all had boot list written up before the end of the season. The last 3 seasons have been spoiled by missyae who doesn't have Snewser's restraint, that's for sure. Those who give all the information before the season even starts are the ones that I can't stand. It has been tought to stay spoiler free.
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michel 10812 desperate attention whore postings
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09-27-10, 11:28 PM (EST)
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58. "RE: Spoiler Free for me (support group)" |
Season 1? Well there you go. I just remembered Snewser coming out and telling his story where he mentioned starting in Marquesas. I wasn't aware of anything before that because I wasn't following on line, just watching the show.
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61. "RE: Spoiler Free for me (support group)" |
>>> Tina was spoiled as the winner by Tapewatcher who, around merge time, made a great post that Tina had to win because she was the "dog that didn't bark", the only player without a confessional in episode #1. The same Tapewatcher hit another homerun in Africa where he noticed "The Star of David". On numerous occasion the sun was shown looking like the star of David just before Ethan came on screen.
Those were fun spoilers, based on observation which I enjoyed. ______ There is a very large assumption here that I have to question. There is absolutely no proof that Tapewatcher wasn't someone with full knowledge of the winner -- who then was able to see very clearly how Tina was "not barking" at the beginning of S2, and the same with Ethan. I personally think that Tapewatcher was spoiled, and was thus able to publish a brilliant theory that was correct -- twice. Although the Africa theory was stretched to the bone. You may notice that Tapewatcher is not a person who still posts or ever posted by that name in the Survivor community. Never wondered why he or she never conversed as a "person" and just faded away after two such successful speculations?
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63. "RE: Spoiler Free for me (support group)" |
That's fine, I'm just saying that for all you know, Tapewatcher was just having some fun. It's almost unknown for a speculator to make a pick with such certainty, so early in the season, with so little editing precedent -- in fact no precedent that supported the theory.>>> What was more important was that Tapewatcher never said he knew so, even if you read his posts, you weren't so much spoiled as intrigued. Not necessarily. I was sure he was right about Ethan. Besides which, Ethan was an obvious winner from almost the beginning. I know I never thought anyone else had a shot at winning. >>> Source spoilers say they know and give answers. Not true. Only SOME source spoilers announce that they know. Others just post their source spoilers as if it's an opinion. I'm not talking about people like me who read source spoilers, but rather about some people with direct sources.
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64. "RE: Spoiler Free for me (support group)" |
You two just like to argue with each other, don't you?
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67. "RE: Spoiler Free for me (support group)" |
...and when someone jumps on one of my posts 1 month after the fact, I feel that my position needs to be clarified.
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10-21-10, 10:02 AM (EST)
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69. "RE: Spoiler Free for me (support group)" |
LAST EDITED ON 10-21-10 AT 10:03 AM (EST)>You two just like to argue
>with each other, don't you? 
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michel 10812 desperate attention whore postings
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10-20-10, 06:34 PM (EST)
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65. "RE: Spoiler Free for me (support group)" |
> It's almost unknown for >a speculator to make a
>pick with such certainty, so
>early in the season, with
>so little editing precedent --
>in fact no precedent that
>supported the theory. >Not necessarily. I was sure
>he was right about Ethan.
> Besides which, Ethan was
>an obvious winner from almost
>the beginning. I know
>I never thought anyone else
>had a shot at winning. Isn't there a contradiction in these two statements? If you knew Ethan was the winner it's because you saw something in his edit despite so little editing precedent. Tapewatcher posted the Tina theory aftert the merge when she had reached a position that made her absence in episode #1 weird.
>>>> Source spoilers say they know and give answers.
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>Not true. Only SOME source
>spoilers announce that they know.
> Others just post their
>source spoilers as if it's
>an opinion.
Well, for something you call untrue, I'd say it's true often enough:
- Snewser's weekly updates
- TDT's survivometers
- Chillone's intel
- Mersaydeez's boot list in Palau
- Tooth of Time spoiling Danni as winner
All these, and many more that I simply don't remember, weren't presenting opinions. Missyae, with the abundance of details in the last 3 seasons, certainly isn't giving opinions.
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68. "RE: Spoiler Free for me (support group)" |
Well yes, those are SOME spoilers who are being very clear. There are other people who pretty clearly know stuff and just interject something like one line into the conversation, and it's right. And there are other people who present riddles, and those who have good info but do hoaxes, some point out "swirls" -- so my point is there could certainly be someone with answers who revealed them in the guise of a literary type analysis. Not all source spoilers choose the same outlet. Just because Tapewatcher didn't announce himself as a Survivor insider doesn't mean he wasn't spoiled.>>> Isn't there a contradiction in these two statements? If you knew Ethan was the winner it's because you saw something in his edit despite so little editing precedent. No, and I hate arguing when my statements are twisted around; it's too much work. I said that Tina's edit of confirmation by absence lacked precedent. I didn't say Ethan's lacked precedent or that it was difficult to read; his edit was striking from the first episode. I don't actually believe that the editors did all that to make him into a Christ figure. I think that Tapewatcher had a literary background and in Ethan's case he put together a nice "paper" that stretched a lot of evidence to present an ultimate conclusion that was true. By the time Tapewatcher published the Tina theory, even I thought she won, and I was only a fledgling spoiler. I was playing that Survivor stock game and I had tons of Tina stock because I believed she would win ever since the "let the games begin" comment. That said, I would never have put myself out there on either one of those prospective winners without considering the possible variables if I didn't have that little thing called confirmation. Tapewatcher was 2-2, writing with certainty, without any alt guesses, and I find that unlikely. But we'll probably never know. The earliest copy I've seen of TW's post was mid-April, which was after the Amber boot. AyaK had posted Notes From a Mitchell Appearance by the third week of March, and suddenly a number of people picked up on Tina/Colby and the Tina win, all without Tapewatcher's help. TW's essay was nice work, but it's easier to be analyze the edit and be right when there's so much hindsight and knowledge already out there.
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michel 10812 desperate attention whore postings
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10-22-10, 08:08 AM (EST)
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70. "RE: Spoiler Free for me (support group)" |
>"I was sure he was right about Ethan. Besides which, Ethan was an obvious winner from almost the beginning. I know I never thought anyone else had a shot at winning.">"By the time Tapewatcher published the Tina theory, even I thought she won, and I was only a fledgling spoiler." Sorry if I twisted your words before, that wasn't my intention so I'll be careful but these two sentences are interesting in that, from a liar who HAD to have received inside information, Tapewatcher is really an insignificant poster with a good pen. Insignificant in the sense that he didn't say anything even a "fledgling spoiler" already knew. I do not understand why you are putting Tapewatcher on trial after 9 years and especially why you think I'm his defense attorney. All I was doing was giving ARW, a friendly new poster, a brief history, a glimpse really, of past spoilers. I should have simply given this link: http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/forum/viewtopic/id/1113
Thanks for the link to Mitchell's interview and Ayak's take on it. I always thought that was one of the best spoiling ever even if it didn't make the Sucks list. I'm glad new posters can read it.
After all this progress, maybe this is the end.
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74. "RE: I miss Snewser" |
IIRC, Snewser used to post the boot sometime after 2:00 PM the day of the show. Webby always closed the Spoiler Island Game at 2:00 so no one would have the unfair advantage of using Snewser's info.
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"...however that is not what we are saying." <reads initial post> ???? We? Who is we? And where was it spelled out "What we were addressing"? But I think we're all in agreement. Regardless, it's a personal decision for each of us, not a morality play, and those of us who are spoilers or who like to read spoilers add to the richness of the discussions too. I would hope that they would show a little discretion and consideration for those of us who wish to not read spoiling info. But one of the original reasons for this forum (I'm told by the ghosts of those who went before us) was to talk about Survivor, and to find spoilers...so it's a long honored practice that I have no wish to limit or critisize. Actually, I can admit to being a hypocrite in this, I first found this forum when I searched for Survivor spoilers, way back when.
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who is this missyae person and what does this person do? do they post on this forum? i'm curious b/c I don't like any spoilers - so if you can fill me in, I'd appreciate it
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40. "RE: Spoiler Free for me (support group)" |
Don't know what they do outside of spoiling survivor but they no longer post here (thank you brownroach) and are happy to sling the muck over at Sucks. So, while he may occasionally come and read things over here, he never posts here (or at least hasn't since Samoa). And as long as you stay away from Sucks (and spoiler forum) you're safe.
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Agree 100% with this.I read the spoilers a lot during the earlier days of bootlists, during the Amazon to Palau seasons. After awhile, I found that my family was enjoying the episodes much more than me. They were talking about, "I can't believe Ulong keeps losing!" and I was thinking, "Well, yeah, I've known that for awhile". I felt like I was missing out on the surprise factor of the outcome, which is a huge part of watching any game show. It also makes the whole concept of having a Spoiler Section pretty pointless, in my opinion. If you're handed the bootlist, what's really the point of doing the vidcap and editing analysis? It seems kind of pointless to bother if you already know the answers in advance. Premise: Hey, look, Laura's edit is really going downhill!
Conclusion: Oh, well that's because she "might" be picked off by Russell later and we need to feel good about it happening. We could come to the conclusion that maybe Laura's the Final 2 Goat instead, but the prior knowledge makes presenting that theory pointless. I know some people in those threads don't read the bootlist spoilers (and God bless them for continuing on)... But I'm always concerned when reading that kind of thread that the people who have read spoilers are just "posting the right answers" (like in the Laura example). Maybe people don't do that, but I'm always too worried that they do. 
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michel 10812 desperate attention whore postings
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09-20-10, 04:34 PM (EST)
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LAST EDITED ON 09-20-10 AT 04:35 PM (EST)>Premise: Hey, look, Laura's edit is
>really going downhill!
>Conclusion: Oh, well that's because she
>"might" be picked off by
>Russell later and we need
>to feel good about it
>happening. Actually, Laura's edit was always bad so it never went downhill! >We could come to the conclusion
>that maybe Laura's the Final
>2 Goat instead, but the
>prior knowledge makes presenting that
>theory pointless. If I may explain why that option wasn't considered: Laura was completely linked to Shambo, a player that certainly didn't have a winning edit. Laura had to lose her battle to Shambo but it couldn't be as F2 goat or else Shambo wins. >I know
>some people in those threads
>don't read the bootlist spoilers I assure you that I have no idea what is going on this season. Last year, I was spoiled by a post concerning Survivors appearing on the People's Choice awards and someone saying: the 5 people who spoke are all Final 6. When I posted in the editing thread, I made it perfectly clear I knew that and that I would be looking at stories and themes. ETA: I do worry that the people responding to my analysis know more than what's been shown but what can you do?
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09-20-10, 07:11 PM (EST)
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48. "RE: Another agreement" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-20-10 AT 07:13 PM (EST)Maybe the Laura example wasn't the best one. My main point is that when you have an edit that could lead to a few different possibilities, the bootlists answer those questions for me. ETA: I do worry that the people responding to my analysis know more than what's been shown but what can you do? That's the thing, there's really nothing you can do since the information is so readily available. And maybe everyone who posts in that thread don't read the bootlists... Maybe this is me being too paranoid about the internet. Good for them if they don't. It's just the fact that one small leak can ruin the whole thing for you (like the People's Choice example above), so I feel safer avoiding that forum all together. It's hard to tell who's guessing and who's not.
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09-22-10, 11:28 AM (EST)
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52. "Spoiler-Free PTTE" |
I am willing to offer the PTTE game to you. It will be run through PM's. suzzee has joined. You will not have to see any other list. I will send important info to you through PM's . I can send the scores or not, your choice. What do you think Spoiler-Free Fans? PM your numbered list to me with #19 as this weeks boot and #1 as the winner. Or at least send me this week's castaway. What ever you do enjoy the show. 
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09-23-10, 02:01 PM (EST)
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55. "RE: It's working!" |
Congrats on your first spoiler free of the season! Each time it will get easier and you will enjoy the show! I'm so *sniff* proud of you!
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76. "RE: Spoiler Free for me (support group)" |
I've gone from spoiler free to deciding to go Survivor free. The previews show the NaOnka show is about to restart and after a week of thinking about it I have decided I have zero desire to watch any more of her. I stopped watching All Star TAR when Romber was eliminated because I had no desire to watch the cousins - what ever their names were. If the rumors about S22 are true, I might find myself broken of the Survivor habit. It's been a fun run, but it might be time to move on ... but then, it might not. We'll see. It's a great group of posters here at Blows... carry on.
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p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e - p l a c e h o l d e r t e x t g o e s h e r e -
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