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"Big Brother #14 Live Feeds, Week #2: It's The Same Old Song."
Let me know if you've heard this one: a first-time HoH gets just a little drunk with power, makes two ill-considered nominations, winds up offending the entire hamster cage with his efforts to get what ultimately turns out to be the wrong one removed -- and then can do nothing but sit back and watch as the surviving member of the pair takes the next HoH. And guess who that person's target is gonna be?

Oh, you know that one?

Too bad, because Grodner's gonna play it again.

And again, and again, and again...

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 Overnight... Estee 07-20-12 1
 Undercurrent. Estee 07-20-12 2
   RE: Undercurrent. Wacko Jacko 07-20-12 3
 Coach's Challenge result. Estee 07-20-12 4
 Feeds down over three hours. Estee 07-20-12 5
   Feeds return....minus its willie Rebel Crown 07-21-12 6
       Memory wall picture goes to B&W. Estee 07-21-12 7
           RE: Memory wall picture goes to B&W... Snidget 07-21-12 8
               RE: Memory wall picture goes to B&W... Estee 07-21-12 10
                   RE: Memory wall picture goes to B&W... Snidget 07-21-12 11
                   RE: Memory wall picture goes to B&W... Belle Book 07-21-12 13
           RE: Memory wall picture goes to B&W... Belle Book 07-21-12 9
 Veto: Shane. Estee 07-21-12 12
 Tweet from a birdbrain. Estee 07-22-12 14
   RE: Tweet from a birdbrain. kingfish 07-22-12 15
       RE: Tweet from a birdbrain. Estee 07-22-12 16
       RE: Tweet from a birdbrain. tribephyl 07-22-12 17
           RE: Tweet from a birdbrain. kingfish 07-22-12 18
 L:ies, damned lies, and the Hantz c... Estee 07-22-12 19
   RE: L:ies, damned lies, and the Han... kingfish 07-22-12 20
   RE: L:ies, damned lies, and the Han... michel 07-22-12 21
 No Veto meeting yet. Estee 07-23-12 22
   RE: No Veto meeting yet. kingfish 07-23-12 23
       RE: No Veto meeting yet. jbug 07-26-12 44
 Veto meeting over. Estee 07-23-12 24
   RE: Veto meeting over. Wacko Jacko 07-24-12 27
 Ashley makes a move. Estee 07-24-12 25
   RE: Ashley makes a move. kingfish 07-24-12 26
       RE: Ashley makes a move. Estee 07-24-12 28
   RE: Ashley makes a move. ellen8 07-26-12 42
 Uncanny valley alert. Estee 07-25-12 29
   RE: Uncanny valley alert. kingfish 07-25-12 30
       RE: Uncanny valley alert. Estee 07-25-12 31
           RE: Uncanny valley alert. kingfish 07-25-12 32
           RE: Uncanny valley alert. Wacko Jacko 07-25-12 33
               RE: Uncanny valley alert. Estee 07-25-12 34
                   RE: Uncanny valley alert. Wacko Jacko 07-26-12 37
 RE: Big Brother #14 Live Feeds, Wee... kingfish 07-25-12 35
   RE: Big Brother #14 Live Feeds, Wee... ellen8 07-26-12 41
       RE: Big Brother #14 Live Feeds, Wee... Tummy 07-26-12 45
           RE: Big Brother #14 Live Feeds, Wee... kingfish 07-26-12 48
 Janelle tries to stir it up. Estee 07-26-12 36
 So who's going? Estee 07-26-12 38
   RE: So who's going? kingfish 07-26-12 39
   RE: So who's going? ellen8 07-26-12 40
       RE: So who's going? Estee 07-26-12 43
           Off Topic (but since it's Survivor.... michel 07-26-12 47
               RE: Off Topic (but since it's Survi... Estee 07-26-12 49
                   RE: Off Topic (but since it's Survi... michel 07-26-12 50
                       RE: Off Topic (but since it's Survi... Estee 07-26-12 51
                   RE: Off Topic (but since it's Survi... Outfrontgirl 07-27-12 52
 RE: Big Brother #14 Live Feeds, Wee... Estee 07-26-12 46

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1. "Overnight..."
...we finally saw a Hantz truly scrambling to save himself. And he's very bad at it. Willie started by going sullen and miserable, refusing to speak with anyone. Eventually, he apologized to Britney for ruining her game, adopting a weird position where he was on his knees with his hands on her feet while doing so. (Even a sorry Hantz feels the need to hold women down.) He declared he would not go up to see Frank's HoH room. Then he did. He asked Britney not to ask the CC immunity on him if she won: he wants to win Veto and fight his way out. (Willie believes Frank is competitive enough to frontdoor him.) He went around to JoJo and Ashley, working his Dumb Whatever Hair Color Alliance to see where his votes were and apologize in case his associations put them up. He got royally chewed out by Britney, which led to this exchange.

Willie: "My wife wouldn't talk to me the way you talk to me."
Britney: "That's because you would beat her."

She backtracked to "yell at her" a few seconds later.

...Frank hasn't really talked much about his intended nominations, but Willie is rather high on the list for the cage as a near-whole: they're aware of how soon jury formation must be starting and don't want him on it. What Frank did get was a lot of criticisms prior to his win about his methane control: he got Jenn and she wasn't exactly thrilled about it. And during his HoH reveal, he read his letter and found it started with wishes about his having a good time making new friends. Brought down the house.

...the current mentor alliance is Everyone Versus Britney. Not only do they want Willie out of the house (and the Janelle/Britney bad blood continues), but they're terrified of her winning the Coach's Challenge. The worst-case scenario for them: Britney takes the trade option and sends Willie to Dan, followed by Willie being voted out and Dan running out of players.

...Ian had an extended period in the hammock, rocking back and forth -- where he couldn't stop himself from rocking. He called it 'stimming' (to the cameras, not to any hamster), which turns out to be a term used for involuntary movement in some forms of autism. So for those who had him diagnosed, you can probably consider it confirmed. Janelle eventually came out and calmed him down with a game of cornhole. (Or as Willie calls it, corn-ho.)

He suspects he's going up this week next to Willie: thus the stress. If so, I think he's pretty safe -- unless Willie directly takes the Veto or gets removed by it. Should that happen, he's got more than a little real concern to deal with. Wait and see...

...Kara was pulled off the interview circuit: no media access to her for anyone, anywhere, any how. And it's not an Amber situation: she was a little too shy and quiet to say anything CBS doesn't want her confronted over, and merely being a former Playmate doesn't throw up the walls on this level. So I think we can consider Revive-A-Hamster as officially on. Even Willie's figured that out, thinking his being voted out might result in his being gone as long as a week. Maybe someone will try getting him to Lawon himself.

...the ratings are significantly down: 1m to 1.5m or so.

Gosh, looks like The Glass House did some intellectual property damage after all.

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2. "Undercurrent."
The waters are pushing at Britney, and Malin would like Dan to go under the waves. He's been threatening her (both through and with Frank) that if she wins the CC and trades Willie to anyone other than Dan, two members of her team go up. But trade Willie out to Dan, and that new pairing is the target. Send Willie out pre-jury, eliminate Dan, and all is sweetness and light and Hantz-free until Revive-A-Hamster do them reunite. What say she?

So far, she hath said onto Willie what the others want her to do. And in response, he hath demanded that she trade him -- to Malin's team.

Behold the power of a man who just doesn't get it.

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3. "RE: Undercurrent."
LAST EDITED ON 07-20-12 AT 05:31 PM (EST)

Who doesn't get it Boogie or Hantz? Sounds like that would do them both in. Hantz has said before that he is playing this game as an individual not as a pawn for a coach. WHich ironically he nominated Frank because he was a pawn. Britney could also save Hantz this week.

Boogie is putting a serious target on his back. If Dan doesn't go home he has everyone in the house against him.

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4. "Coach's Challenge result."
LAST EDITED ON 07-20-12 AT 07:30 PM (EST)

The feeds were back on for a few minutes and showed Janelle celebrating with Malin, Frank, and Joe in the HoH room. It sounds like she won. No trades were made, no current word on who she gave immunity to. But the decision for Have-Nots was hers, and she stuck all of Britney's players with it, plus Ian for good measure.

Willie then walked in, told them he knew he'd messed up the first cycle, but they didn't have to punish the others for what he'd done. And then he told them he would be evicted (doing it to himself?) before he'd walk out the front door (via vote?), and left.

The celebration immediately switched to being worried about Ian, because they thought Willie was looking to hit someone and would go after the weakest person available. Some talk about getting Ian up to HoH -- and back to fish.

I feel another ratings drop coming on.

ETA: A little more information coming in from other sites. Ian volunteered to go on slop, while Janelle decided on the others. Willie has been slamming doors. Dan may have thrown his part of the challenge. (It sounds like it involved stacking objects.) And we're back to Slop Plus Voted-On Items Starting With The Same Letter -- in this case, pudding and pork rinds.

Ashley has the Coach's Immunity. Janelle is possibly trying to protect her from Hantz Guilt By Association.

The feeds have been offline for about twenty minutes as of this edit, and Joe had been commenting that Willie was "flipping out" (promo!) before this week's target walked into HoH. The immediate dark suspicion has him on a wrecking spree, daring the rats to come and get him. Or we could just have the sort of verbal explosion which the editors feel is better served on the episodes. But something is being hidden right now...

Re-ETA: A Jokers poster of decent reputation is claiming the last thing seen before fishout was Willie in the kitchen, telling Britney, JoJo, and Dan that he was going to get into a fight and knock someone out. So we may be missing a major chewing-out from the rats -- or worse.

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5. "Feeds down over three hours."
The longer we stay in blackout, the higher the odds that we have a Chima situation on our hands. The cameras may ultimately come up on a Hantz-free environment -- but he would have had to attack someone or do major damage to the habitat. I think he can get away with more than most just because Grodner cast him as a bile draw. Throw a few pillows? Not a problem. Break a dish or two? These things happen. Toss a microphone pack? Sure -- once. But leeway runs out somewhere around the time a fist goes through the TV screen. Or into someone's face.

Just before blackout, Joe may have been saying words to the effect of 'He's on the edge right now and if you push him, he'll blow.' Great gameplay. Great casting. Really subtle sarcasm on my part.

And we wait.

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6. "Feeds return....minus its willie"
LAST EDITED ON 07-21-12 AT 02:55 AM (EST)

Feeds came back around 8 p.m. BB time. Willie has been removed, not sure if it was voluntary or forced.

ETA: a link to Jokers with more details. (I'm having trouble with my computer; can't copy and paste the words, only the link) -

http://forums.jokersupdates.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=bbusaupdates&Number=17371751&page=1&view=expanded&sb=5&o=&rc=&fpart=1

Nominations also took place - Shane and JoJo, taking the place of an evicted Willie. What a Hantz he turned out to be; who knew Russell would be considered the better one?

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07-21-12, 07:29 AM (EST)
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7. "Memory wall picture goes to B&W."
I can paste. This is from SouthernBelladonna, relaying Ian's description of the events. I've edited lightly for grammar, spelling, and sentence structure.

"He says Willie called the houseguests, especially Joe, pussies. Then Willie head-butted and chest-bumped Joe." (There may have been up to four head-butts, depending on where you look. There were at least two.)

"BB told Joe to stay in the bathroom and Willie to go to the DR (or SR...). BB told Joe not to follow. Willie taunted him to follow him

Willie then threw pork rinds at Janelle and cursed at her." (Country matters.) "Janelle flipped Willie off and said "Bye-bye".

Willie left. The houseguests sat in the living room until Alison Grodner came on the intercom to tell them Willie had been expelled and the game would continue. And then they had nominations."

Or you can watch him talk about it on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IO0XlxgJB4

Or as Wikipedia briefly had it:

http://i50.tinypic.com/2zsmd0m.png

And here's Brandon Hantz saying something stupid. Because gawds know CBS can't get enough of that. (Not exactly PG13, informed, or sane: approach at your own risk.)

http://forums.jokersupdates.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Board=BBMedia&Number=17372386

Here's one just for irony.

http://tinyurl.com/cjrr8dn

So Grodner deliberately stunt-cast an unstable personality from a family that's been full of them and is genre-known for just that trait. And now she gets to pretend she's surprised by the result, because gee, just because she put someone in there for screaming and verbal fights and maybe an assault if she was lucky doesn't mean she saw it coming. Plus she's never going to apologize. To anyone. Ever. Willie could have burned the place down with her in it and her last words would have been 'This has nothing to do with me.' Well, maybe close to her last words: I'm sure she would have tried to work in something about Jeff and Jordan at the very end.

By the way, Michelle -- the one from Chima's season -- is bitching on Facebook about this. Not that Willie's out: that Frank still got to do nominations after he was expelled, giving Frank two bites at the apple. Which Michelle never had. The argument against this is that Frank never got to post nominations at all: Chima went out after Michelle had already placed her on the block. Also that it's Big Brother and consistency is a joke.

Naturally, Malin's been bragging about taking out two of Britney's players in one week. Because he arranged all this. When he wasn't inventing fake butter. (See below.) And pushing Willie when he was already on the verge? Possibly was his idea.

Hamsterwatch posted a theory from one of her readers which believed that mentors do enter the game -- but only after all their players are knocked out, which creates a situation where the players can't trust their coaches at all. 'I'll eliminate my entire team and then win the big prize myself!' More than stupid enough to be a Grodner twist. Only a theory, of course -- but now, for the sake of the schedule, the show has to do something. We're two days into the second broadcast week, and we're down three hamsters. Under the current numbers and configuration, jury formation started yesterday. (To his credit, Malin has realized this and has been talking about the chance of Kara coming back in.) And the feeds went to fish when Wil started talking about their being the final nine, but that could have been coincidence: other discussion of it got through. Janelle feels the jury always starts in the fifth week, so something has to happen.

(Incidentally, we also got a blackout when the hamsters tried to imply Willie might be an alcoholic -- no slander.)

*sigh*

Why couldn't Willie have head-butted Grodner? Oh, right: because attacking her head does nothing...

And this is worth noting: they hadn't even had nominations yet. There had been some talk in the cage about targeting Shane this week, removing what was seen as a stronger player and considerably more of a social threat. Willie could have wound up as a very safe pawn -- and that's without factoring in his Veto chances. Ultimately, he did evict himself -- but there was a chance that for his cycle, he's the only one who would have done so.

In other news:

Pizza was delivered into the cage and everyone got to join in the party, including the Have-Nots. (This is the only settlement anyone will ever get from the show.) They made sure to thank Willie for it. There was no brand on the boxes and Malin declined to guess, openly deciding he has to be very careful about following the rules for a while...

JoJo was once addicted to prescription pain medication, but beat it. She's also a little out of the current loop, not knowing Kara had been in Playboy until Ian told her about it. "Was she nude?"

Typical house retro-history: it is now Willie's fault that Kara's gone. Because absolutely no one voted her out except him.

Dan desperately wants to dispel the 'mentors come into the game' theory. He also wants it to be true.

Britney is miserable. Her remaining players are on the block and cage talk has solidly swung to getting her out first. (She noted that historically, it's a lousy game day for her: in her first season, this is the date she was put on the block with Monet.) She had a long DR after Willie's removal and emerged from it bleary-eyed and exhausted, collapsing into bed a little while later. No one is blaming her for originally picking Willie: she had no way of knowing what she was getting into and the cage realizes it. Yes, she met Russell once at a reality party, but she didn't know he had a brother. It's just that now she's the mentor bleeding into the water, and the sharks are circling.

(Malin did paint a scenario where Britney's team takes no more hits this week: if Shane gets Veto, they'd nominate Danielle and take her out over JoJo. No bets. However, Jenn has informed Danielle of this possibility -- so now Danielle is freaked out.)

Joe claimed to have invented/named I Can't Believe It's Not Butter. Which he would have had to do at the age of eight. He also says he used to be a bully. Used to be...

A long-ago question answered: Janelle gave out the salaries for B.B.A.Stards. $2500 a week, guaranteed $35,000 if you made the jury.

The house is trying to talk Ian into losing his virginity in the cage in order to wrap up America's Favorite. (With whom?) Ian feels America hates him. (At least for this week, Ian doesn't have to worry about being in last place.) Ian also noted he went to open auditions and was the only person there who wasn't in a costume or drunk. In case you were wondering what they had to choose from.

Ashley says she missed the entire fight. Because she was peeing. She said it was a very long pee. She also feels this may be a dream and when she wakes up, Willie will be back.

Stay asleep, Ashley.

Britney claims Willie would freak when she played chess with Frank. She was his woman now!

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07-21-12, 09:26 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: Memory wall picture goes to B&W."
I mean you have to figure in any set of brothers one of them got all the available sanity and self-control.

Hard to believe in the Hantz family that that brother is RussHell.

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10. "RE: Memory wall picture goes to B&W."
Let's say RussHell has a little more self-control -- enough to hold off on the destructive streak until he gets out of the game. But I've seen enough of his A&E series to spot him throwing things through windows and destroying house interiors when things don't go his way in the real estate market. Willie's reaction is not unique to him.

My brief exposure to Shawn (Russell's sibling and partner in the house flipping) makes him look like the sanest one -- but that may just be the reality show equivalent of trying to find a rational conversation in Arkham Asylum: after a few hours with Two-Face, Humpty Dumpty starts to look like a viable option.

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11. "RE: Memory wall picture goes to B&W."
Well some families have very small total self control to dole out, so getting any is a major accomplishment.
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13. "RE: Memory wall picture goes to B&W."
Maybe that's why Shawn isn't a well-known celebrity -- he's got enough sanity to avoid the high-stress situations and enough self-control to be a viable option in terms of finding beacons of sanity.

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9. "RE: Memory wall picture goes to B&W."
At least Willie leaves before the jury forms. I wish Chima hadn't lasted that long in her season! And I can't believe that the original Troll is actually the sane one of the whole Hantz clan -- the ones that I've seen, at least. Of course, I wonder how long the original Troll's sanity would remain in Big Brother. Not very long, I suspect.


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12. "Veto: Shane."
Panic: Danielle.
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14. "Tweet from a birdbrain."
"@HantzBB: I wanna apologize 2 @CBSBigBrother @CBS and ALL the fans 4 doing what I did last night. I truly LUV BB and am grateful 4 the opportunity"

He probably believes you actually spell 'for' that way.

In minor news:

Danielle might be going up as Shane's replacement, but nothing's confirmed yet. There's a small tilt towards JoJo (who has confirmed having been recruited off Facebook) -- but it's early yet.

Vagina Dentata, anyone? And I quote Shane: "My mom told me vaginas have teeth in them - I couldn't make that up! I didn't lose my virginity til I was 21." So --

-- wow.

...okay, moving on...

The question of Ian is now slowly turning towards 'Cast to break down?' If he is somewhere on the autism charts, should he have been placed in a situation virtually no one is capable of handling well? Did Grodner stick him in there to get her amusement from his suffering? What's the track record there?

Danielle is majorly crushing on Shane. Shane is not interested.

Joe applied for Every Single Reality Cooking Show In Existence. And where did he wind up? Here. You have been warned.

And most of the females in the house are getting together in a boy band.

Wil is the boy. They're the band.


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15. "RE: Tweet from a birdbrain."
After that, I'm surprised that Shane isn't playing on Wil's side of the fence.

That he isn't (he isn't, is he?) should be a vote for Nature in the everlasting Nurture/Nature debate.

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16. "RE: Tweet from a birdbrain."
I'm ready to place him on Jordan's side of the IQ perimeter. You'd think that most people who were told that one would seek out a second opinion -- quickly.

And yes, we can put his mother down for emotional abuse.

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17. "RE: Tweet from a birdbrain."
The Nature/Nuture debate is everlasting?
Really?
Only because people still believe that it's a choice.
Ridiculous.

To have sex is a choice, to be physically aroused by the same sex is not.
And really, if everyone just dropped their guard over the religious/political/biased viewpoint of what sex SHOULD be and just let it be, the line between gay and straight would become blurred beyond recognition.
I was never told that vaginas had teeth when I was growing up. But I still prefer not to put my privates in one. In fact, my body 'chemically' tells me that.

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Whole hearted agree. I was trying to be humorous, and just meant that if one's Mom told her otherwise straight and gullible son that a woman's vagina had teeth, and if nurture were the determining factor in sexual orientation, that he would not be straight. I'm not taking a position that nurture prevails. In fact I agree with you that in regard to sexual orientation, it doesn't. It is innate.

However, he nature vs nurture debate is old and one of the classics, and most scientists today agree that it is a mixture, some things (eye color, skin tone, etc.) are nature, and others (work ethic, criminality, etc) are nurture.

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19. "L:ies, damned lies, and the Hantz clan."
Here's what Willie would like you to believe happened. If you can stand the prospect of non-PG13, having all the Hantzes in one place, and the total destruction of all things Truth, feel free to play the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IkwwOVeLBsk

Or you rather more sensibly might choose to pray for humanity.

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20. "RE: L:ies, damned lies, and the Hantz clan."
Only made it thru a few minutes, but that was like watching chimpanzees in a cage.
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21. "RE: L:ies, damned lies, and the Hantz clan."
The main thing I got from that (considering i couldn;t hear a single word Wilie said) was that Brandon being disowned by the whole Hantz clan was another example of their typical BS.
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22. "No Veto meeting yet."
Possibly today. This should give the DR enough time to explain that yes, Shane does get a vote this week even though he won the thing. Joe believes otherwise.

In very minor news:

...JoJo demonstrated her lap dance skills using an empty chair for the central prop, then told Ian she's bisexual. Which breaks the all-time series record for non-heteros in the cage and gives them an interesting diversion for Sunday nights.

...despite what the editing would have you believe, Danielle's attempted showmance with Shane is going nowhere: he made it clear that he's looking at all the females. She's not taking it well -- plus she's still stressed out about being the possible replacement nominee, she slipped up and dropped medical terms (Ian noticed), and Dan is basically advising her not to bother campaigning. Not a good week for Danielle. Or if you listen to her stories, a good incarnation.

...Malin wants to turn Ashley against Janelle. Janelle wants her team buddying up to Shane & JoJo. So if you're keeping count, everyone in the house has now made nine billion alliances.

...Joe did a slop/pork rinds fry ball with gourmet pudding presentation, then spent the night humiliating his children all over the Internet. Retired bully, huh?

...Ian basically indicated that if the 'what will you sacrifice for Veto?' competition comes up, he is willing to saw off his own arms.

...they're finally starting to talk. One of the major criticisms of this group is that all they do is discuss the game. It's taken more than two weeks, but other topics are beginning to regularly emerge.

In Joe's case, he can go back to game talk now.

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23. "RE: No Veto meeting yet."
Cut off his arms, and let Joe slice the long muscles into medallions, sauteed with onions, bell peppers, a side of fried sloppuppies...

Of course someone would have to spoon feed Ian. So that idea is a bit short on foresight for him.

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44. "RE: No Veto meeting yet."
sorry KF,
you forgot,
Ian's arms have no muscles. Just skin & bones.
Joe could use them for making a broth - maybe.
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24. "Veto meeting over."
Shane saved himself and as predicted, Danielle is the replacement. However, JoJo may have switched to being the primary target. Because she's so real and attractive -- no, that's the reason she feels America loves her. Because it still puts Britney down to one. As opposed to knocking Dan completely out. Because, you know, the later would make no sense. Since Dan's not female, and that's all Malin can bring himself to target.

Also, here's an interesting perspective on the edit versus the feed-relayed events of Willie's exit.

http://forums.jokersupdates.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Board=bbnewsandrumors&Number=17410095

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27. "RE: Veto meeting over."

>Since Dan's not female, and
>that's all Malin can bring
>himself to target.

Well, Boogie does have a better relationship with Dan than Britney.

I have to say Britney and Janelle blew a good thing. If the two of them stuck together they would be the final two.

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25. "Ashley makes a move."
She's managed to spread a rumor that Frank & Ian have a F2 deal. Why now? Why try to strike this early? Why not? It's not as if any story told or alliance made in this house has a shelf life of longer than three nights anyway. She's also been working the oh-poor-me-forced-to-evicted-innocent-Kara angle as if no one else ever cast a vote while crying at strategic points (and then denying she cried). Jenn seems to be seeing through this and is challenging her for details. The rest of the cage is just passing it around.

Meanwhile:

Shane continued to show just how much Danielle's one-sided crush means to him by dumping her out of the hammock. We should probably be glad he didn't get on his first reality choice -- The Bachelorette. (100% serious. He went out for it.) He's also been trying to draw out strategies with candy, where the pieces may be meant to represent actual hamster IQs.

Janelle got drunk enough last night to go Minnesota on us for the first time in years. Unfortunately, the people operating the feed cameras immediately switched away from her.

(There's been a lot of complaints about the way the feeds are being handled this year, with primary being that they'll go to fish for reasons that were legal for the entire run of the series. 'We don't know what we should be showing' is a close second.)

Danielle's attempts to push her Totally Not A Nurse lie have now led her to make up an entire classroom full of kindergarteners, which is actually kind of impressive even when the rest of the cage doesn't really care.

Britney is trying to talk JoJo out of being catty, teasing, annoying, and generally herself for the rest of the week in order to improve her odds on being kept. And I quote: "It has to be pink roses & rainbows coming out of your mouth this week." (Britney takes her coaching seriously -- so seriously that it's pretty much all she does.) With this and Dan instructing Danielle not to campaign at all, this could be a very low-key crawl up to the vote.

Joe continues to humiliate his children all over the Internet. May they return the favor.

Dan is still working his way in. Slowly, subtly.

And Britney told Ian that if he was watching at home right now, he would hate half the cast.

...only half?

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26. "RE: Ashley makes a move."
I'm working on that Minnesota reference. Should I be subscribing to "After Dark"?
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28. "RE: Ashley makes a move."
When Janelle gets drunk enough, her accent becomes stronger and she generally goes into Party Mode. She's typically extra-entertaining when she's soused -- so naturally that's what the cameras decided couldn't be shown.
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42. "RE: Ashley makes a move."
I saw Ashley talking to Frank in the HOH room about the F2 debacle. Did she start it?
She seemed to be telling it as if Ian started it. In fact I think she said he's been saying that since the first week. If Ashley started it I missed that fact, but I did hear a lot of planning and manipulating going on between Ashley and Frank. Frank even swore on his grandmother's life that he would not put her up or vote her out. Dangerous words........

I really can't get a grip on Ashley - she is either one smart cookie or extremely ignorant. I guess we will see !

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29. "Uncanny valley alert."
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JoJo gave Shane a makeover.

You may scream now.

Edited to try and make image cruelly visible for Kingfish.

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30. "RE: Uncanny valley alert."
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For some reason I just get the little red X instead of a picture, but I'm pretty sure my reaction would be this:

(ETA: That's better. Or worse).

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31. "RE: Uncanny valley alert."
Fixed it, so you tell me.

That might also be Wil's reaction to JoJo's current plan to save herself, which I'll call Cancer For Votes. A number of these hamsters smoke and many are running dangerously low on their cigarette supply. JoJo is simply offering them portions of her stash in exchange for booting Danielle. Payment to be hopefully made after Thursday's vote and if I were her, I would keep the negotiating tools on her at all times until it came time to pack the suitcase and make it clear that if she walked, they went with her.

...actually, as plans go, it's more thought-out than half of what's been in that house...

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32. "RE: Uncanny valley alert."
That's a very admirably imbecilic strategy.

I got to give you props for CancerForVotes, but then again, you are a veteran Troper.

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33. "RE: Uncanny valley alert."
Who are the smokers?
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34. "RE: Uncanny valley alert."
I don't have a full list, but Janelle and Joe are among them. (Typical for a chef.) Janelle may be in the most trouble: she apparently has about eight left -- for the summer.
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37. "RE: Uncanny valley alert."
From what I have seen only JoJo and Janelle remain. Have not seen Joe smoke. So cigarettes are becoming less of a factor.
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35. "RE: Big Brother #14 Live Feeds, Week #2: It's The Same Old Song."
I am such an anti-smoking Nazi that I hate to even see it on TV.

An over-reaction maybe, but even watching people smoke in settings that are apart from me (like on TV) sets me off. Not like a Hantz, but inwardly.

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41. "RE: Big Brother #14 Live Feeds, Week #2: It's The Same Old Song."
So you have no vices that would annoy anyone huh?
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45. "RE: Big Brother #14 Live Feeds, Week #2: It's The Same Old Song."
Sure he does. He swims nude, fin first. But that only annoys the mints.
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48. "RE: Big Brother #14 Live Feeds, Week #2: It's The Same Old Song."
And every time BB goes to fish, there I am, proudly displaying my king-ness in all it's glory.

Annoying anyone I can annoy, especially that Fooner feller.

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36. "Janelle tries to stir it up."
She's been working on pushing Danielle. Say, Danielle, did you know JoJo's been calling you fat? (Oh, the irony.) Say, Danielle, did you know Joe sold his vote for two packs of cigarettes? (Cancer For Votes is working!) Janelle seems to want a screaming fight between Danielle and JoJo, but she can't get Danielle to cooperate: the not-nurse refuses to become confrontational with anyone for any reason. She may go out the door just as quietly.

Naturally, this got back to the target. JoJo threatened to take on Janelle for rumormongering. And again -- nothing happened. Everyone may be a little shaky about screaming matches right now: too much Willie still echoing in the rooms.

Shane has realized that no one keeps their word in this game. Hopefully he can hang onto that insight for more than ten seconds.

The hamsters got a hockey game in the backyard (normal-size sticks), which is presumably their HoH practice field. Yes, hockey. Like CBS is going to promote a summer sport this year.

And Dan, who believes he may get a chance to enter the game when his last player is eliminated, has been openly talking about how he'll be out the door if Danielle leaves. No fool he -- for the moment.

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38. "So who's going?"
Everyone's trying to convince Frank that it's 6-0 to get JoJo out -- but Joe has officially sold his vote for the ciggies, barring last-minute backstab. (He was paid in advance. Stupid, JoJo. Really stupid.) Janelle is angry about this. She wants Danielle around because she's just about a free agent who needs allies -- in other votes, a vote in Janelle's pocket. Shane's loyalties are uncertain, but there's a chance he could go with his teammate. Frank will tiebreak to get rid of JoJo if it comes to that, so she needs four votes... Overall, it should be JoJo going out 4-2 or worse.

Danielle has been practicing the hockey game for hours. Frank is desperate to keep her from winning HoH because he thinks she'll come after him. Little does he know she's got company: Janelle is telling Ashley & Wil to target Frank if they get HoH. Wil has declared he's not here to make friends and will do whatever he has to. Ashley just talked about how the DR told her to shorten her goodbye messages. And talked, and talked...

By the way, the cage talk turned to favorite Survivor players at one point. Who's Malin's? The walking incurable STD, Pervati The Shallow. Gee, Malin loves a non-factor whose game was manipulated by the producers to set up her win.

Wonder why.

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39. "RE: So who's going?"
Nicknamed by her close admirers as Swallow Parvati.
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40. "RE: So who's going?"
Estee I know Parvatti well and she deserved the win. Her father is an extreme nature, outdoorsman and has taught her survival skills since she was a child. She was well equipped with the skills to win Survivor with no manipulation from producers or anyone else.
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43. "RE: So who's going?"
Then we'll have to agree to disagree, because I (and many others on the site) know the internal casting scandal and subsequent firings well. You may feel she deserved her win. I don't.

So it goes.

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47. "Off Topic (but since it's Survivor...)"
If Parvati's father showed her survival skills, it certainly didn't show in the Cook Islands where she couldn't even filet a fish. By the time she got to Micronesia she was a little better as seen in the episode where the natives came along but I'd never call her an outdoorswoman.

As for her win, it's one of the most difficult to evaluate: If Fairplay doesn't quit, Parvati may well have been first out. If Jonathan hadn't been medevaced, there's a possibility that Nu Airai eliminates Parvati. On the other hand, the black widow brigade she formed out of a cross-tribal alliance is one of the best moves ever. Of course, Cirie was the brains behind their actions but without Parvati there's no BWB.

Weren't the scandals all associated with her presence in Heroes versus Villains and her alliance with RussHell?

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49. "RE: Off Topic (but since it's Survivor...)"
Weren't the scandals all associated with her presence in Heroes versus Villains and her alliance with RussHell?

At the time. But there's some fresh undertow involved with her Not-Fans vs. Not-Favorites win, especially with what's starting to look like repeating storylines. (PM me for details, but there's spoilers involved here.) The discrediting is gradually moving backwards on the timeline, and the question of just how much help she got in each appearance beyond the first is becoming steadily louder.

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50. "RE: Off Topic (but since it's Survivor...)"
Spoilers? Don't tell me she's back for a 4th time? But I don't want to know if it can't be told without involving future seasons.

Kathleen, Tracy, Joel, Eliza were frequent posters at Sucks after S16, even Cirie posted a few times and no one mentioned anything about it.

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51. "RE: Off Topic (but since it's Survivor...)"
We'll talk about it in a few months, then.

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52. "RE: Off Topic (but since it's Survivor...)"
ellen, I always thought the commune upbringing was interesting. Too bad the sorority girl came of it. I don't respect women who use men with flirting to that degree and without any sincerity, game or no.

Interesting Estée, I heard about her being in Samoa during 19 and fully apprised of Russhell when the others didn't know, nothing about S16.

I do think that if Penner hadn't been injured, he would have taken her out. If James hadn't gone out and there had been a F3, Cirie would have won. I give Parvati credit for making the most of the swap and picking up Natalie and Alexis. She also lucked out that Ozzy, Jason and Erik were too stupid to play idols/keep immunity. Not in Kim's league as a player.

In any case, Survivor fans like to believe the manipulation isn't as blatant as with BB, and it doesn't sit well when someone gets a special advantage due to having friends in the right place

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46. "RE: Big Brother #14 Live Feeds, Week #2: It's The Same Old Song."
JoJo seems to think she's going out: she just told Britney that she's only hugging five people on the way towards the door. Britney, perhaps alert to a boomerang, advised her to be more classy. Not that JoJo's been outstanding at following advice, as no one's seen any rainbows or unicorns emerging from her mouth. False Cadence, maybe...
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