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"Big Brother 12 Live Feeds Week 4: Rachel's Round 2"
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"Big Brother 12 Live Feeds Week 4: Rachel's Round 2"
So, Rachel is two for two in HoH competitions that require answering questions, and with the newly revealed Hayden/Kristen showmance possibly in her sights after Andrew's bombshell last chance speech, who knows what could happen?
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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 Worth repeating. Estee 07-29-10 1
   RE: Worth repeating. Fishercat 07-29-10 2
       RE: Worth repeating. Estee 07-29-10 4
   RE: Worth repeating. vince3 07-29-10 3
 That trick never works. Estee 07-29-10 5
 Kristen Ka-Boom. Estee 07-30-10 6
   RE: Kristen Ka-Boom. kingfish 07-30-10 11
 Andrew's Dying Words. Estee 07-30-10 7
   RE: Andrew's Dying Words. kingfish 07-30-10 10
   RE: Andrew's Dying Words. samboohoo 07-30-10 12
 General Brenchel cluelessness. Estee 07-30-10 8
 Separated at birth. Estee 07-30-10 9
 RE: Big Brother 12 Live Feeds Week ... jbug 07-30-10 13
   RE: Big Brother 12 Live Feeds Week ... suzzee 07-30-10 14
       RE: Big Brother 12 Live Feeds Week ... LFJ 07-30-10 16
 How do these things happen? Estee 07-30-10 15
 Competition today. Estee 07-30-10 17
 The funeral is scheduled for tomorr... Estee 07-30-10 18
   RE: The funeral is scheduled for to... LFJ 07-30-10 19
       RE: The funeral is scheduled for to... Estee 07-30-10 20
 Luxury competition over. Estee 07-30-10 21
 Speaking of socially inept. Estee 07-30-10 22
 Round two. Estee 07-30-10 23
 Portrait of an ongoing emotional br... Estee 07-30-10 24
   RE: Portrait of an ongoing emotiona... Outfrontgirl 07-30-10 25
       RE: Portrait of an ongoing emotiona... Estee 07-30-10 26
           RE: Portrait of an ongoing emotiona... Outfrontgirl 07-31-10 31
 Could anyone have seen these nomina... Estee 07-30-10 27
   RE: Could anyone have seen these no... Snidget 07-30-10 28
       RE: Could anyone have seen these no... Estee 07-30-10 29
           RE: Could anyone have seen these no... LFJ 07-31-10 30
               RE: Could anyone have seen these no... Estee 07-31-10 32
                   RE: Could anyone have seen these no... Belle Book 07-31-10 41
       RE: Could anyone have seen these no... Belle Book 07-31-10 37
   RE: Could anyone have seen these no... Belle Book 07-31-10 36
 Rumor: No boomerangs (and overnigh... Estee 07-31-10 33
   RE: Rumor: No boomerangs (and over... Snidget 07-31-10 34
   RE: Rumor: No boomerangs (and over... kingfish 07-31-10 35
 Showmance #3. Estee 07-31-10 38
 Kathy is the most important person ... Estee 07-31-10 39
 They wear it well. Estee 07-31-10 40
 Drama takes a very temporary holida... Estee 07-31-10 42
   RE: Drama takes a very temporary ho... vince3 07-31-10 43
 Veto format? (image link) Estee 07-31-10 44
 Britney wins the veto. Estee 07-31-10 45
   RE: Britney wins the veto. Outfrontgirl 08-01-10 46
       RE: Britney wins the veto. Fishercat 08-01-10 47
           RE: Britney wins the veto. Outfrontgirl 08-01-10 48
 Britney's Message to the Live Feede... Fishercat 08-01-10 49
   RE: Britney's Message to the Live F... vince3 08-01-10 50
       RE: Britney's Message to the Live F... Outfrontgirl 08-01-10 56
   RE: Britney's Message to the Live F... michel 08-01-10 51
       RE: Britney's Message to the Live F... vince3 08-01-10 52
           RE: Britney's Message to the Live F... michel 08-01-10 53
               RE: Britney's Message to the Live F... vince3 08-01-10 54
               RE: Britney's Message to the Live F... Loree 08-01-10 55
                   RE: Britney's Message to the Live F... michel 08-01-10 57
                       Pandora's box tied to choice from H... Rebel Crown 08-02-10 58
 A deal with the devil(s) Rebel Crown 08-02-10 59
   Fe, fi, fo, fum, Estee 08-02-10 60
       RE: Fe, fi, fo, fum, Belle Book 08-02-10 65
 Was that all there was? Estee 08-02-10 61
 Because Enzo controls everything. Estee 08-02-10 62
   RE: Because Enzo controls everythin... LFJ 08-02-10 63
 Veto not used. Estee 08-02-10 64
   RE: Veto not used. Fishercat 08-02-10 66
   RE: Veto not used. ohmyheck 08-02-10 67
   RE: Veto not used. Outfrontgirl 08-03-10 68
       RE: Veto not used. Estee 08-03-10 70
           RE: Veto not used. michel 08-04-10 86
               RE: Veto not used. Estee 08-04-10 88
                   RE: Veto not used. michel 08-04-10 91
 The beginning of the end Rebel Crown 08-03-10 69
   RE: The beginning of the end Estee 08-03-10 75
 'I am Vegas!' Estee 08-03-10 71
 Ragan is piecing it together... Estee 08-03-10 72
   RE: Ragan is piecing it together... Belle Book 08-03-10 73
       RE: Ragan is piecing it together... Estee 08-03-10 74
 Did you expect him to fall for that... Estee 08-04-10 76
 The DR can't keep its collective mo... Estee 08-04-10 77
   RE: The DR can't keep its collectiv... LFJ 08-04-10 78
       RE: The DR can't keep its collectiv... Estee 08-04-10 79
           RE: The DR can't keep its collectiv... LFJ 08-04-10 80
               RE: The DR can't keep its collectiv... Estee 08-04-10 81
                   RE: The DR can't keep its collectiv... LFJ 08-04-10 82
                       Mandatory semi-ironic response. Estee 08-04-10 83
 Feeds vs. edit: Kathy. Estee 08-04-10 84
   RE: Feeds vs. edit: Kathy. vince3 08-04-10 85
       RE: Feeds vs. edit: Kathy. Estee 08-04-10 89
 RE: Big Brother 12 Live Feeds Week ... michel 08-04-10 87
   RE: Big Brother 12 Live Feeds Week ... Estee 08-04-10 90
       RE: Big Brother 12 Live Feeds Week ... michel 08-04-10 92
 Rachel's HoH blog. Estee 08-05-10 93
   RE: Rachel's HoH blog. jbug 08-05-10 94
       RE: Rachel's HoH blog. Estee 08-05-10 95
       RE: Rachel's HoH blog. kingfish 08-05-10 97
   RE: Rachel's HoH blog. kingfish 08-05-10 96
       RE: Rachel's HoH blog. Estee 08-05-10 98
   RE: Rachel's HoH blog. Snidget 08-05-10 100
       RE: Rachel's HoH blog. Estee 08-05-10 101
           RE: Rachel's HoH blog. kingfish 08-05-10 102
               RE: Rachel's HoH blog. Estee 08-05-10 103
 Something's up... Estee 08-05-10 99
 Mean Boys. Estee 08-05-10 104
   RE: Mean Boys. vince3 08-05-10 105

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07-29-10, 09:46 PM (EST)
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1. "Worth repeating."
It sounds like Rachel just went off on Kristen in a major way -- but at a time when no one could hear it. (During the post-Andrew argument? The pause between HoH and feeds coming back?) Hayden & Kristen are now convinced they're screwed. From the sound of things, Kristen openly told Rachel she was going after the original showmance. (I think we can consider that F4 dead.)

Rachel and Hayden are currently talking, with Rachel telling Hayden that Kristen made a point of putting her up over and over again in the HoH. She also seems to be trying to get Hayden away from Kristen, presumably because he's not coming between her and her man.

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07-29-10, 09:56 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Worth repeating."
Kristen is though. If she is willing to make a showmance with Hayden, then she's looking to steal Brendan.
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4. "RE: Worth repeating."
Kristen is though.

As long as she's not a Genius.

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3. "RE: Worth repeating."
There was a bit of a blowup in the spy into the cage during the post HoH fallout as they went out for the week.... and Kristen told Rachel that she assumed that it would be Showmance 2.0 going up together. Rachel replied that it wasn't a given before but thanks for the suggestion, I might do it now!
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5. "That trick never works."
Rachel has tried to apologize for words said in the heat of the moment.

Kristen has told her to stuff it.

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6. "Kristen Ka-Boom."
That's the theme of the night. Apparently Kristen went off on Andrew (and possibly Rachel -- details still coming out) immediately after the sound cut out from his block speech and cursed at him all the way through the commercial break. (She and Hayden have now convinced themselves that Rachel actually said half of it.) Enzo, who was trapped in the DR during the break, kept hearing curses and asking to be let out so he could learn what was going on.

Then we had the 'I'm putting you up!' comment to Rachel. HoH -- and after that, it was Rachel vs. Kristen for the entire night. Loudly, repeatedly, and obsessively, with staring contests included. As noted above, Rachel tried to apologize at one point, but Kristen is having none of it, possibly because she's decided Rachel is the devil. Kathy has been backing this up and insisted that she for one isn't going to sell out to evil -- although unlike Kristen, Kathy ventured up to the HoH unveiling. Kristen stayed downstairs, prompting Rachel to congratulate everyone in HoH for at least making the jury house.

Matt has been begging America to unleash the Coup D'Etat, feeling it would be voted to the Meow2. Or, more naturally, him. Because he's a Genius, plus we all supposedly hate Brenchel. But it's mostly the Genius part.

This, BTW, is still going on. Right now, it's in intermission -- Kristen is sulking in one room while Brendon and Ragan are trying to talk Rachel down in HoH -- but absolutely nothing has been resolved, and the target on Kristen has reached the point where the Meow2 think she has to go, possibly just to save Hayden. Or maybe it's a peace and quiet thing.

Well, no one's on slop. Cue the high-energy screaming.

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11. "RE: Kristen Ka-Boom."
Here we were, making fun of Kristen becasue she was keeping quiet. Playing Plain Jane.

Who knew she had this in her.

And, she's actually kinda hot when she's motor mouthing her incomprehensible...whatever.

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7. "Andrew's Dying Words."
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/big_brother/video/?pid=o6r07jbVNH6v4YgyJVPWFtq7OKekpOzU

Because if no one in the cage can keep track of who said what, then we'd better.

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10. "RE: Andrew's Dying Words."
That was memorable and worthy of a Clio.

I'm talking about the lead off commercial, of course.

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12. "RE: Andrew's Dying Words."
That was one of the funniest last-minute speeches ever. What a way to go!


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8. "General Brenchel cluelessness."
'We can trust Matt.'

'I thought Kristen was my best friend in the house!'

'No one deserves to be F2 more than us.'

'I didn't even listen to Julie's last question. I just guessed!'

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9. "Separated at birth."
From BSideBlog:

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13. "RE: Big Brother 12 Live Feeds Week 4: Rachel's Round 2"
I'm hoping Rachel finds some red hair dye in her HoH room this week. Those dark roots are beginning to look really bad.
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14. "RE: Big Brother 12 Live Feeds Week 4: Rachel's Round 2"
I'll second that one, although it's faded from that Bozo the Clown orange to a decent shade as long as the roots (reminded me of a mango swamp btw)don't start to look so scary.


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16. "RE: Big Brother 12 Live Feeds Week 4: Rachel's Round 2"
She will have to go a while longer before her hair looks as B.A.D. as Ali's on the Bach. Oy, Gevalt!, as Andrew might have said.
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15. "How do these things happen?"
Hayden enters HoH to speak with Brendon and Rachel about nominations.

Hayden leaves with Brendon assuring him of Final Three -- after Hayden said the best place for Brenchel from his POV was in the jury house.

That's it. Time to cut back on the alcohol.

Rachel immediately told Brendon 'Don't say Final Three!', but that may have been more of a jinx thing.

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17. "Competition today."
The Voice Of The House has been asking Rachel to hold off on the parade of supplicants until after whatever-it-is takes place. This pretty much has to be a luxury up for grabs -- there's no slop this week, too early for POV, and no one's sure if Memphis ever got his car.
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18. "The funeral is scheduled for tomorrow."
Brendon just called Rachel out on her lack of social skills.

Oops.

Meanwhile, Matt is making himself some slop. He claims it's a way to diet.

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19. "RE: The funeral is scheduled for tomorrow."
Isn't that just like a man? The things that attract Brendon to Rachel repel him at the same time. OR Yes, Brendon. Rachel won the HOH A.G.A.I.N. Maybe he suffers from low T?
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20. "RE: The funeral is scheduled for tomorrow."
Well, here's the transcript from Jokers -- judge for yourself.

'Brendon: There is a lot we can do. We can shrink the target.

Brendon thinks the way Rachel has acted towards Kristen will turn the house even more against them.

He encourages her to be the bigger person so that more people are on their side.

Brendon: If you are really struggling to be nice to Kristen then distance yourself from her. We should not be worried about being targets as HOH. If we play our cards right, nobody will come after us. I want people to say we are really nice.

Rachel: What game are you playing? People are not nice. Every HOH gets worse.

Brendon: Because your attitude is ***** this, ***** that. This is a social game. You have to let your emotions ride in the backseat during this game.

Rachel: No, I am playing like I should be the whole time.

Brendon: We need to make friends.

Rachel: Then, go make friends!

Brendon: I don't want you to make a mistake.

Rachel: Go play your social game. Go make your friends. I am going to win everything I can. Seriously, just give me ten minutes.

Brendon: I am on your side. I am on your side.

Rachel: No, you are not. Leave me alone.

Brendon exits the HOH room.'

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21. "Luxury competition over."
It was for a movie viewing, with people playing in timed teams. (In one of the greatest of BB traditions, the movie will svck.) Rachel is on camera in a prison guard outfit, while the others are in convicts' uniforms.

Still getting details. Enzo is definitely one of the winners. (Hayden and Brendon seem to be the others. Rachel might get to attend as an HoH benefit.) Climbing over obstacles was involved. Matt & Britney lost by five seconds.

...okay, they're seeing The Other Guys. Svckage confirmed.

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22. "Speaking of socially inept."
From Jokers:

'Enzo's opinion is that Kristen is playing this game all wrong.

E telling Brenchel that Kristen should be coming up to the HOH to talk. E saying K should have the respect for the HOH. E respects that Rach went to K to apologize twice. E saying Rach is HOH and didn't have to do sh*t (referring to apology). E happy for Brenchel. They "get the room, bed,etc." E respects that Brenchel won't put E up. Rach saying Kathy is coming up next. Enzo saying if he wins next HOH he won't put Brenchel up for sure.

After Enzo leaves Rachel tells Brendon she likes him and doesn't think he'd put them up and that she thinks Enzo doesn't have an alliance.'

Not only that, he's not trying to come between her and her man.

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23. "Round two."
After the usual treks up to HoH for the ceremonial kissing of rear (including a world-class duration smooch by Kathy and Matt grousing that he refuses to go up there if Brendon's in the room), Kristen has finally wandered upstairs to make her speech.

Well, it started as a speech. It turned into yelling pretty fast.

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24. "Portrait of an ongoing emotional breakdown."
All credit to Gratefulvw of Jokers, who transcribed this mess. The following conversation took place around 9:30 PDT this morning.

'Rachel is laying in her HOH looking sad due to the fight she and Brendon just had. Feed cuts out to Bren and Ragan whispering in the kit. Bren apparently asked Ragan to go talk to Rach cuz Ragan is pointing and asks "Is she up stairs?", and Bren says "yeah"

Rag: I think that once we play the competition

Bren (interrupts): Yeah I know but I was thinking what if we play the competition and somehow Kristin wins it...it'll start the whole thing over again.

Ragan: Yeah

Bren: I mean, she keeps thinking like, she keeps saying, we are going to have a target, she is getting in a freaky negative mode and it is getting to her

Ragan: Yeah, I will go talk to her (walks away)

Bren: K

Ragan walks up the stairs and glances over the railing to see possibly who is down there, while he is walking the hallway. he rings the HOH doorbell, waits a second and walks through the door

Ragan (in the just woke up voice): Hello? Hi! (walks in the door and crawls in bed with Rachel) You gotta get out of it

Rach: Get out of what?

Ragan: You gotta get out of it, you gotta be happy

Rach: pfttt

Ragan: You do

Rach: I want to be (cue the tears)I want to be happy.....I feel like......I just really like.....feel (takes a deep breath in)....like everyone is against me (cue more tears (although there are no tears on her face), talking it a whiny, pity me voice) like I win stuff and I fight so hard to be here, you see me, every POV, I am first, second, or third, every HOH I am like right there (deep breath in) and I just feel like the more I fight the more people hate me.

Rag: Why do you feel like people hate you?

Rach (voice really high pitched, more pity in voice, trembling voice through the tears): I don't know, like the more I keep fighting and I think I am going to go on the block and go home (sniff)

Ragan: No but why, what makes you think that people hate you?

Rach: I don't know Brendon said that I am just mean and everyone thinks that I am ##### and (big breath in) and like my best friend (gestures towards the door) and he like, I feel like he just doesn't get it. He is just being so like mean (deep breath in) He is just being so (deep breath in and dramatic pause) fake. He is like this is a social game and you need to act a certain way and (cue crying voice) like don't tell me what to do like I am fighting so hard to keep me, and him, (deep breath) and the ppl that we are friends with here. (Big sniffle and rubs her hands to her eyes like she is rubbing away tears, although I have not seen an actual tear)

Ragan (tired, weary voice): I know, Rachel I don't think (Rach sniffles)I dont' think that, for instance, the conversation last night, it's not about like, it's not about like berating you or telling you wrong, wrong, wrong, it's just trying to get you as much on the right track as possible, you know what I mean?

Rachel is sitting indian style on the bed with one fist holding up her face, the other hand playing with the stuff dog she got. She is making an I'm miserable face and sniffling a lot. She nods her head when Ragan ask do you know what I mean

Ragan:That is all, that is all it's about

Rach (still voice quivering): and I get that ragan but like, (sigh) I feel like there is a very obvious person that is like, attacking me and (voice was getting stronger when she was saying this but now starts to tremble again) Brendon, who is suppose to be my best friend is....like....not sticking up for me he is being like be nice, be nice, be nice (she is hitting her hands together every time she says nice to emphasis the point)

Ragan: but he is sticking up for you (Rachel clears her noise) this is not (rach lets big sigh out) You gotta understand rach sticking up for you in this house....means something totally different than sticking up for you in the real world. It's like sticking up for you in the real world is like if you see (thinks for a moment) if you see somebody, like, do something to somebody that you care about...you are automatically like BAM! But in this situation, in this house when you do stuff like that gets you in trouble, so that is like, this isn't like

Rach (interrupts): I mean I wouldnt' want him to be mean or anything like that,but by the same token, he doesnt' have to be like (in a chipper voice) Hey, I made coffee! Can I pour you a cup? like...(throughs hands up and sighs) and then come up stairs and be like (voice gets whiny again) get mad at meeeee.....I just don't, I just, I just don't understand what he is thinking and he's like (voice gets deeper to imitate him) There is no reason why we should have to worry about going on the block next week, you won HOH and blah, blah, blah, and I am like Yeah but...No matter what, these things make us a bigger target ad he's like (imitating again) Well that is bullsh*t, that shouldn't make you a bigger target and I am like They do though! you have to admit, the more you fight and win things like, the more people like are like (begins to hit her fist into other hand for emphasis again, and can't finish her thought just make a noise as she repeatly hits her fist to hand)

Rag: yeah, but the nicer you are....and the more gracious you are...that is all good stuff. And that is something that holds inside and outside of the house, you know what I mean (rachel nodding) and the more positive you are, I think the better off you are (she is still nodding) It's It's so much about what I was saying yesterday. Do you allow yourself to fall down a rat hole of negativity because the more you do that the harder it is to claw your way out and the worse it gets. You have to...

Rachel (interrupts, voice is now back to the trembling, I could break down any second voice: I never get sad (voice gets really high, again very whiny and pity me voice, but no actual tears) In the real world I am like the most happiest, energetic person ever (big breath in) the most optimistic personnnnnnn, like I'm the nicest personnnnn, like I never (big breath in) get in arguments with ppl, I never like, but I just feel (voice breaking more now, "whoa is me "voice): I just feel certain ppl...don't...I feel like if I don't win these things (big breath) that me and the ppl I care about are going to get taken advantage of and get taken out...

Ragan (laying on his side, but now rolling to back, hand going onto forehead): i think that Rachel, you have (rachel big sniffle with sigh) you have to be (big sniffle again) right now you have to be, you have a negative headspace, and you are upset, and you are angry (big sniffle) you have too, sometimes when you are in that place...

Rachel interrupts in a meek, poor me voice: I am not angry (sniffle) I even told Kristin I want to (ok...this whole time rachel's head has been down, looking at the toy dog that she is playing with in her hands but when she says the name Kristin, she looks up and at the camera that is over one of the HOH chairs. Her eyes linger there until she is finished her sentence, and she looks away) That I want to talk to her. (voice now over emotional, cue more tears, more pity me voice) Like I am trying, I am trying really hard (big sniffle, trembling voice) Like i am trying every aspect that I can (big sniffle) and it's just so hard Ragan, because (long, dramatic pause, head goes up and eyes look left to right, ending just past the hoh camera, but big sniffle right when eyes are on that camera) it's like, I should be excited that I won I should be excited to share these moments with people that I care about, people like you and Brendon.....and I just feel like....

(Important to note, Ragan is now more awake and his voice is stronger now. He is not emotional in the least)

Ragan: Did you talk Kristin?

RAchel: No! (Her voice complete breaks here and sounds as though she is going to break down sobbing, but again, no tears) because she won't talk to me! I asked her (huge breath in, appears to be sobbing, but I can't see any tears) I tried to apologize (sniffle, sniffle) and she won't talk to me (as she said that last piece, she hung her head and her voice sounded like a balloon deflating)
brief pause, voice still quivering but stronger....And that is fine.....but like (she stops and appears to be crying and hangs her head. Important to note that she has been sounding like this for more than a minute and has not wiped her eyes or her nose once, nor can I see actual tears)

Ragan (regular voice):And that is fine (Rachel does a big sob in and few little sobs out), ragan does not seem phased) I think by tomorrow, if nothing else happens today..like go into this competition, this is a unique competition today (rachel starting to finally calm down, has still not wiped her face) again, famous last words...(rachel laughs and says right in her regular voice, finally wipes her eyes a bit and look right at camera while doing so then looks immediately back down) and no one gets punished (rachel looking sad again, sniffling again) look at that as an oppertunity to cheer everyone on, to be awesome, to be a cheerleader for other ppl, kinda like you were during this past surf competiton, you know what I mean? (rachel nods, has sad face on again)

Rachel: I just feel like I need (her eyes look right to HOH camera as she says "especially now") I need especially now, I need brendon to be like (big sniffle, sound like cuing tears again) supportive and like it's going to be okay, don't worry about it, like you are doing your best , you are working so hard, I am so proud of you (voice on verge of tears again, but all of sudden becomes forceful) but now he is the opposite, not he is like you got to be on top of it, get it together and be nice, go down there and be nice, go talk to everyone, I am like (voice goes back to trembling, quivering) I like can't, I don't need that right now, Like I need a friend (cue big time trembling) to be like (big breath) a friend and to be like (big breath, looks straight at hoh camera)It's okay, I am so proud of you, you are working your hardest, you are doing a good job (face back down looking at hands, big sniffle) like good jo...like good for you like and it's just, it's like he is just not (long pause) doing it and like, I just I just don't knowwwww (big sniffle) and that just makes it ten times harderrrrr (little sniffle) I feel like (big breath) I feel like I have been pushed up against the wall, like my back up to the wall and I am just trying to fight (eyes to camera on word fight, then look away on word like) Like I am just trying to fight so that ppl that I care about know that we are safe and I am not jsut talking about brendon (big breath) but ppl like me, you, brendon (big sniffle) matttt knows he is safe this week, you know? ppl that we care about know that we are safe and we are fighting (again, eyes to camera on the word fight) for us and then I feel like I am becoming a villian (slight laugh)

Ragan (again, no sympathy in voice,in fact voice a little stronger): i don't think you are a villan, look a lot of this is, as simplistic as this sounds, i really think is between how men and women communicate. (rachel nods) It's like men are very goal orienated, problem solving, instrumental in how the communicate with ppl and women are more emotional and then need to like what you are doing right now, you just need to talk (rachel laughs, nods, and says yeah) you just need to talk about what is upsetting you right? So what happens is, when you and brendon are talking abou this, you just need to get it off your chest, and have a good cry and to get it out, to purge. And brendon is thinking...okay, here is the problem you are communicating, here is how I see solving the problem and you are like, I don't want to hear about solving the problem, I jsut want to talk about it ! So it's kind like, men are from mars women are from venus, you are talking two completely different languages right now, and it is not right or wrong thing, it's just different ways of communicating. And so, I don't think, I don't want you to read it as him not being supportive or him not understanding....it's just, you kind of need to have your moment, and have him hear that...you know what I mean? Without it being a , I don't ned anybody telling me a solution to the problem, right now i just need to...

Rach: to like vent (eyes to camera on word vent) and let me be upset and let me talk it out and like I am not crazy, I am actually a very logical person but I fought so hard (eyes to camera on the word fought) I don't even know how many emotions yesterday, but when I won that stupid competition...I know I was like excited and then I was crying and then I was like excited and then I was like I dont' even know what happened. I mean....(starts laughing, looks at camera)

Ragan: It was like, it was like bigger than an orgasm

Rach: a competition orgasm! (laughing)

Ragan: right

Rach: but like...that is going to be the new word for like the whole rest of the like ....season 32 is going to call it competition orgasm's like....

Ragan: I think you like, have to get some of these emotions out and like once you do that...and I do think that this competition is going to be good for everyone after today because it will give us all an opportunity to support one another , rather than you...especially you and brendon.

bubbles on feed, so didn't get to catch the end of that sentence. Again, sorry for any spelling errors. And this was a dramatic conversation for Rachel so that is why I tried to include so many deep breathes and sighs. Nothing is fabricated, just tried to convey how she was acting a little bit better. And if you watch the feed, you will notice all of the camera glances...comes back at...

RAch: well I don't know...it's just taht

RAgan:I will do all that I can to mend that bridge this week. Because y'all can be like (start to stutter) er, um, eh, You can all compete against each other in a competition, but it does not have to turn into what it did yesterday. And even if, I mean, I don't know. I would just talk to her, Iwould just talk to her, like seriously what is going on in your mind, but if you talk to her just make sure that it is definatley not going to go to a bad place.Like you have the were with all to make sure that things stay on track. That is can't be like, any accusations hurled, it can't be like any of that

Rach: It just has to be facts and logic right?

Ragan: yes, and it can't get like, it can't get like ppl like you and matt tend to get very caught up in the details of the situation, I believe the saying is that you can't see the forest through the trees. Um sometimes, here is a statement that, Idon't know when it occurred to me, but it has stuck with me for the past five or six years. Sometimes it is more important to be kind, than it is to be right. And if you get too caught up in being right, espcially with things that don't really matter, it takes you no where. Like if you really listen to ppl that are really going at it and really, big arguments,really big blow ups with each other, they get...like, do you watch Real Housewives of New York?

Rach: yeah

Ragan:Ok, did you watch this last season?

Rach: yeah, so good

Ragan: Yeah, so when Jill Zherin, like the reason why (he sits up now) the reason why everyone is team Bethenny, I can't believe that I am using them as a reference here, the reason why everyone is team Bethenny is because throughout the season Bethenny was like, none of this stuff matters! It's like she one'd up, she tried to mend the bridge, and she didn't want to get caught up in the details like look, I don't want to fight with you, this is not what this is about and it seemed like it was coming from a genuine place and Jill was like, I can't have this conversation with you, I have a list, I didn't bring...you know how when ppl get angry and they make a list? It's like, if you get that boogled down in the details you are being petty, it doesn't take you anywhere, it's really not what is important and you have to think, and when i say what is important I am not even talking game, I am talking about connections with ppl, ppl fight all the time and it can't be about Well, this happened, this is the exact wording of what was said, and sometimes ppl say sh*t and it comes out the wrong way and it was not what they were intending, so give ppl the benefit of the doubt, you know what I mean?

Rach: uh hmmmm, and I think you are right I think hopefully after this competiton like and I get a chance to like, we do get to compete for a luxury or whatever, who knows what it is goig to be , but we can hash things out in our brains maybe...Kristin won't be as mad, I won't be as mad, I don't know but yeah, it's such a bittersweet victory, being up here anyways

Ragan: right, and this is also, just an FYI, cuz the first thing I did after I ate breakfast was go back to bed, it is a weird morning. Not just because of all the drama that happened last night but also cuz this is the earliest we have been woken up and everybody went to bed, pretty late last nigh. So nobody got a lot of sleep, so I don't want you to think that, like, I mean i can only speak for myself obviously, but I don't think that anybody is avoiding you

Rach (wiping her eye and sniffing) NO!! I don't think that I just think everybody is tired, right like zombies and I really appreciate your friendship in this Ragan and I don't know what I would do with, without you in this game like (they begin to hug) I love you so much and like having you here is like having a dictionary, a logical therapist, like everything! and like, I don't know, I don't know what I would do without you here

Ragan: well, I have made references to how I didn't have an adolescence when most ppl did I was so, you know, stunted in my twenties and I learned everything that I learned kinda through trial and error, in terms of like, how to get control of my emotions, um and one of the reasons why out of all my siblings I am really only close to my sister is because with some of my upper siblings that I used to be close iwth I was such an emotional, God he keeps getting called in there a lot (BB just called for Hayden into the DR) I was such an emotional, like I wear my heart on my sleeve as it is, but I could not control my emotions so like I had to kinda develop strats in my twenties to say ok, this is how I am feeling....but this is where it gets me if I communicate HOW I am feeling so.....but it is hard when you are in those moments, when the adreline is pumping and things get out of control. Like you not even realizing how much you said F yesterday....you just get caught up in the moment

Rach: In the moment literally, yeah like I could not tell you anything that was said during that competition like I can't tell you the riddles, anything!

Ragan: I can't remember the rhyme when I went up

Rach: right, me neither

Ragan the only rhyme I can remember is the one like practice one we were given

Rach: right, that is the one and the one I remember the very last one and the only reason I remember that is Julie said something about flying high above something...I was like flying flying what were we....

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25. "RE: Portrait of an ongoing emotional breakdown."
good lord, I could never have transcribed that.

Ragan deserves to win this game.
He's clearly read his Deborah Tannen and Rachel has not.
I like Brendan, so I want him to stick around, because the Brigade are such a bunch of meatheads other than delusional Matt.

Rachel is playing like Janelle, playing to win competitions, but Janelle was put in that spot by the horrible Fiendship; Rachel could have played differently. It was stupid to win HOH and run straight for Brendan, dashing past the housemates who were waiting to give her their fake congrats.

That said, I hope Kristin goes home. From UTR to screaming bitch in one week.

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26. "RE: Portrait of an ongoing emotional breakdown."
He's clearly read his Deborah Tannen and Rachel has not.

Probably more of a reading requirement for a Communications major than a Chemistry one.

At some point, Ragan's problem is going to turn into 'He's everyone's friend -- jury threat!' While he has people who like him, it's hard to pick out his alliances, real, potential, or 'we're just lying to him this week'. I'm not sure how deep his bonds go. Matt would discard him at less than a moment's notice, gawds only know what Britney thinks of anything, and the Meow2 will toss him as soon as the primary threats are neutralized. His influence is intermittent because people who can't think won't take his words to heart, and he doesn't have a discernible power base. Unless he's been good enough to keep everything invisible -- on the feeds...

I can't see him lasting past the F6-F4 range in the current house structure. Then again, the current house structure self-destructs every eight minutes.

Rachel is playing like Janelle, playing to win competitions, but Janelle was put in that spot by the horrible Fiendship; Rachel could have played differently.

At one point, Rachel said her wish was for Janelle to like her. Make of it what you will.

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31. "RE: Portrait of an ongoing emotional breakdown."
Interesting stuff, Estte.

I agree that Ragan will have that problem if he manages not to make enemies.

Rachel might consider that in BB6 Janelle had an alliance group, not a showmance.

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27. "Could anyone have seen these nominations coming?"
LAST EDITED ON 07-30-10 AT 09:24 PM (EST)

Hayden & Kristen are up. And it may not have happeed quietly -- Brendon is upset with the speech Rachel gave (whatever that may have contained), and Rachel is crying about it in the HoH room. Brendon is telling her she's acting as if she has a chip on her shoulder and will wind up being shown as the villain. Brendon did not read Ragan's notes.

Meanwhile, Kathy is openly begging for a Coup. (As if she's getting the votes.)

ETA: Okay, getting details now about what Rachel did. From what Brendon is saying, she basically stood up in front of the house and said 'Come and get us, beyotches.' Brendon does not feel good about this. He feels Rachel owes everyone an apology, that the target was already glowing neon, that she has to get her emotions under control and oh yes, there's this little thing called 'the social game'. As he puts it, they are not going to win every challenge. At some point, they'll need friends, and Rachel is alienating everyone in sight -- plus she's doing it after a day of more-or-less calmly speaking with people in HoH.

And Rachel's response to all this? So far, she's just been staring at him. Not much blinking. Jokers describes it as a death stare.

I'm starting the countdown on Chima Syndrome now.

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28. "RE: Could anyone have seen these nominations coming?"
*shudder*

Please tell me she isn't turning into a female RussHell.

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29. "RE: Could anyone have seen these nominations coming?"
Not quite. RussHell's mental stability was never in question: he stood on his own ego, and he was suited for -- well, not the game as it was designed, but at least he was suited for something. I don't think Rachel should have ever been put in the cage to begin with.

More from Jokers (minor editing for probable sequence of events):

'"We are egotistical, we are ballsy, we think we are unstoppable" is what bren said to rach and tells her everyone down there was heavily offended by what she just said and tells her that she has a 50 lb weight on her shoulder because she is putting it on herself> Rachel has not said one word during this whole monolog.

Bren tells Rach that she forces everyone against them. He says he doesn't know why she does it. He wonders if --

She finally speaks..mumbles..."Brendon stop it!" as he tries to pull her over. She says she has to go get something out of the DR. He asks her to apologize to them...she says she will in a very angry way. He asks if that means she won't...R yells "Fine! I will apologize!" and leaves the HOH.

B says "oh my god..." after she leaves.

As R approaches the DR, she makes noise that sounds almost like crying, but may have been laughing....says "Haayy!" when she goes in.

She comes out and very quickly apologizes to H/K. Rachel tells Kristen and Hayden (with Kathy in the room) that she wasn't making a personal attack during the nomination ceremony and that it was strictly gameplay. She then adds "sorry if you don't believe that" before pausing. Hay says OK. She leaves. Kris whispers "Why did she do that?"'

Kristen might not believe Rachel if she was directly told -- so she'll have to settle for indirect: Brendon is now on his way down so he can apologize on Rachel's behalf.

Which leads to (Jokers again):

'At the same time, Bren goes into the taj and apologizes for Rach to H/K...saying she was emotional...says he knows how it feel to be up on the block and says he's there if they want to talk.

After he leaves, Hay says: "I think he might actually be a good guy. He's too frikkin' good for Rachel, though." Kris agrees.'

The crazy is strong with that one...

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30. "RE: Could anyone have seen these nominations coming?"
I don't get the live feeds...but i do have BB after Dark. By midnight, BR and HK were all together at a giant "Pinball" type apparatus and were taking turns practicing shots. They were all very civil with one another. The Smirk joined in, with his jammies on, and so did E, but not for long. It was mostly the showmances out there.

I don't know what Brendon thought Rachel could do. Maybe she was a #####. I don't know. But, the outcome was going to be the same. HK had to be nominated. If R would have been all syrupy about it, they would have all hated her anyway. And B is now hiding behind R, trying to make himself look like Mr. NiceGuy, all apologetic for the Little Woman (who wins HOH for them) while R takes all of the heat. Oh, pleeeeze.

And meanwhile, K is sooooo odd. I still think she and Kathy have some strange relationship. I will be glad when K is gone. The problem is, Kathy is hanging in there, flying sort of UTR. She never seems to be part of the hystrionics. They both need to go.

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32. "RE: Could anyone have seen these nominations coming?"
If R would have been all syrupy about it, they would have all hated her anyway.

No argument, and I'm sure she doesn't understand how she and Brendon are really seen by the rest of the cage -- but the reason to do it politely still exists: build up some credit with the potential jury. She doesn't know she's in trouble for practically any F2 situation, so the sensible act remains 'keep things impersonal, maintain some kind of human relationship outside the game with the other contestants, try to make sure there's at least four people leaving after this week who don't despise you.' Basic bridge building. Rachel went out armed with explosives.

As for Brendon hiding behind Rachel -- yes and no. He effectively is in that he may now be seen as 'the better one' (although still a challenge threat) and he's definitely trying to save himself because he realizes Rachel's drowning and may pull him under with her. I just don't think he's setting her up to absorb the punches for him, because everything echoes back anyway. He doesn't have any degree of control over her -- not when it comes to gameplay -- and when the grenades go off, all he can do is duck fragments.

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41. "RE: Could anyone have seen these nominations coming?"
Yeah -- being civil might smooth some ruffled feathers even if she's probably in trouble for practically any Final 2 situation. Unfortunately, Rachel is controlled by her emotions to the extent that she's on the verge of self-destruction. Of course, that makes for good TV, so I hope Kristen wins the Power of Veto -- so I can see Rachel's reaction when that happens.

Brendon's clearly trying to save himself because he doesn't want to go down with Rachel but he's not setting her up to absorb the punches for him because she's doing that on her own -- with no help from him needed.


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37. "RE: Could anyone have seen these nominations coming?"
Not quite -- RussHell's crazy actions happen whenever his ego's threatened -- like when he realizes he can't control people or if someone refuses to kowtow to him. Rachel's crazy actions are the result of mental instability and the inability to control her emotions.

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36. "RE: Could anyone have seen these nominations coming?"
Putting up Hayden & Kristen: Smart.

Rachel's nomination speech: Not smart.

Brendon: Smart and decent.

Rachel: On the verge of insanity.

How long till Rachel develops Chima Syndrome: Depends on how soon she and Brendon are nominated.


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33. "Rumor: No boomerangs (and overnights)."
Annie and Monet have supposedly been released from sequester, and Andrew wouldn't have gone after Julie gave away Matt's lie. So those three should be out of the running.

'Should' is an ugly word.

In other news:

Kathy is now heading down Slander Road at top speed: her new belief seems to be that Rachel traded out sexual services for trips, gifts, and other fun stuff which Kathy has probably never been offered as a get-out-of-ticket bribe. Plus Rachel will cheat at the POV draw by taking Kathy's name out of the bag. Kathy supposedly wants to go home instead of Hayden or Kristen, but she's still asking America to vote for her and her friends on any Coup because they're 'the good people'. Does any of this sound hauntingly familiar?

(She also thinks Enzo is Brenchel's alliance partner, and much of the cage has noted her ability to give a four-hour answer to a two-second question. Don't get arrested in that town.)

Even Kathy can't block everything: her presence is shutting Hayden & Kristen down, but that just let Rachel & Brendon get some alone time in. From what was picked up on under-the-blankets audio, the dysfunctionality has been consummated. Toss rice. Or hair extensions. Rachel's. Which both Britney and Matt were wearing last night. (Matt didn't know Rachel had extensions until shortly before he put them on. Geniuses don't look at hair. He also can't tell anemia from hemophilia, so he doesn't look at blood either.)

There was some strategy talk before the sex. Brendon now feels Matt is only loyal to Ragan (when he's really only loyal to Matt). But Matt isn't the backup plan. Brenchel's worst-case scenario -- Kathy wins Veto and saves Kristen -- is to use Lane as a pawn, hoping that at least gets Hayden out. (It's an interesting unawares choice in that it would force the Meow2 to make an early decision, but there's no way to tell how the cage would shake out on that one.) On the flipside, a Kathy veto win is also Hayden & Kristen's worst-case scenario -- Kathy going up to replace one of them would mean a chance for both to stay. Yes, Kathy's good people want to get rid of her. That's why they're good people.

Ragan's sniffed out the twist: he openly believes America's picking out a new saboteur. Now if only he can sniff out all the people talking about getting rid of him...

Britney's comedy routine for the night was her Rachel impression, done up and down the house. (Just in case you were wondering what the extensions were being used for.) A lot of shouting was involved. (Rachel laughed, so Britney's not at much risk for being backdoored over that action.) Britney's first preference for this vote is apparently to dump Kristen: her current closest alliance may be Lane.

Britney may now be 'The Sane One'. Worry.

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34. "RE: Rumor: No boomerangs (and overnights)."
Britney may now be 'The Sane One'. Worry.

*twitch*

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07-31-10, 09:26 AM (EST)
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35. "RE: Rumor: No boomerangs (and overnights)."
"Britney may now be 'The Sane One'. Worry. "

Well, sure, now that Andrew's gone. (Too heavy with the sarcasm?)

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07-31-10, 12:33 PM (EST)
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38. "Showmance #3."
Lane just walked by the cabana room, glanced in, and found Hayden & Enzo cuddling.

Hayden immediately yelled "Don't judge!"

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07-31-10, 12:41 PM (EST)
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39. "Kathy is the most important person in the house."
Unfortunately, she's figured this out. The morning has centered around people trying to get commitments out of her about any veto she might win and the uses thereof, from Rachel pointing out that she didn't nominate her and may be owed one (while having no idea how much Kathy has been trashing her) to the block duo looking to the sky to save them. Which, given her challenge performance to date, would actually be better odds than looking to Kathy -- but the attention is still being paid. If nothing else, the hamsters may have subconsciously realized that the random draws and wins are responding more to drama than chance, and what would be more dramatic than a Kathy win and save of Kristen? Absolutely nothing -- as far as Kathy's concerned, anyway.

At this point, I'm expecting her chip to come out of the bag. And so is everyone else.

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07-31-10, 12:42 PM (EST)
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40. "They wear it well."
From last night: Britney and Matt with Rachel's hair extensions.

http://tinyurl.com/2c3qtld

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07-31-10, 01:21 PM (EST)
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42. "Drama takes a very temporary holiday."
LAST EDITED ON 07-31-10 AT 01:24 PM (EST)

Veto players have been drawn -- and Kathy, presumably even now preaching about evil Rachel removing her chip from the bag, did not enter the pool. The extra three will be Enzo, Britney, and Ragan: Brendon hosts.

Ragan is already talking about his game strategy on the feeds: hope it's a prize competition, don't win veto, get a good enough prize to enjoy but not so good as to be targeted, and hope the unitard is out of play by the time he gets involved. And if it isn't a prize/veto competition? Place your bets. At a guess, I think he'd leave the nominations stable -- Ragan doesn't want to make any waves right now.

Enzo might save Hayden for the alliance's sake and figured a Kathy/Kristen pick is win-win, with any other replacement turning into a Kristen eviction.

Britney... she's said she wants Kristen out, and she & Rachel have an open peace at the moment. This might be another stability win. (She's in HoH at the moment with Brenchel, busy re-targeting Kristen by saying that Kristen in the jury house is a vote for none of them. Britney also feels a Kathy/Kristen pairing keeps Kristen, and is worried about it. Rachel agreed.) She also wants Enzo in the unitard and told him so. Just for the sake of comedy.

They're counting too much on prizes here -- either Ragan's that convincing, they know something we don't, or the rats are just that predictable.

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07-31-10, 03:54 PM (EST)
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43. "RE: Drama takes a very temporary holiday."
I'm voting for the rats are just that predictable... We've had a blow out the budget and endurance HoHs, as well as Isolation Booth and Event Knowledge HoHs... We've also seen Torture for an Hour and Stay/Fold POVs as well as a movie-themed Luxury competition and a very messy Have/Have Not (Food) competition... They had to figure that once Chenbot said 'No Slop' that something must be up and Luxury was on the possible agenda, and it's a given that there is at least one Prize/Punishment POV in the rotation.... especially since they originally brought out the Unitard of Doom...

This is not factoring in the future: At least one more endurance HoH before F3, and the Morphomatic POV around F6, among others...

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44. "Veto format? (image link)"
http://twitpic.com/2agyr8

The veto competition itself -- once again taking place early in the cycle -- has been in progress for about two hours.

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45. "Britney wins the veto."
Kristen, as a consolation prize, gets the unitard.

Ragan did something during the competition which makes Enzo think he's playing all sides: the Brigade has started the countdown on his timer. There's some confusion on his prize: he has something called a 'veto ticket'. The best guess is that it lets him step into any competition he wants to participate in instead of hoping for his chip to be pulled.

Enzo won a 3D TV -- no details beyond that.

Rachel seems to have gotten $5,000.

Hayden has to go through one day in solitaru confinement in the Have-Not room, on slop. Ragan is talking to him through the wall, telling him to call out if he needs company.

For now, I'm assuming the nominations will stay stable. And that Kristen will remain very, very unhappy. Plus Kathy will blame all of this on Rachel.

In some ways, it's a very familiar season.


Ragan called it.

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08-01-10, 01:45 AM (EST)
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46. "RE: Britney wins the veto."
Estee, from your earlier posts, would Britney want to leave noms unchanged?

Britney seems savvy enough to want to gain something from someone for using or not using POV, but in this case she doesn't want to save Kristin, does she? It seems that Hayden isn't in danger unless he comes down with Andrew-itis.

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47. "RE: Britney wins the veto."
There's roughly a 99% chance of Britney leaving the noms unchanged.

Kristen is the biggest physical threat in the house who would put up Britney for eviction. The Brigade would go after Brenchel, Brenchel would go after the Brigade (in general, neither are really looking at Brit as she's friendly with both Rachel and Lane). Ragan is a big wild card but seems like a crapshoot (and probably throws most HoHs for good reason). Kathy might put up Britney because she's nuts and doesn't want to offend any alliance (Estee's recapped the insane well). Hell, if Brit won HoH, I'd bet anything she'd nominate Kristen herself.

The only way I could see Britney using it is if the Brigade gets revealed between now and Veto Ceremony and Rachel wants to try and destroy it...and that would force Britney to choose between Rachel or Lane. Who knows how'd she go.

It seems near impossible that Britney would use that veto. She probably only took it to begin with because the choice was isolation or veto (no TV or 5k) and the threat of Kristin having it or Hayden using it was too big for her sake.

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48. "RE: Britney wins the veto."
Thanks for the excellent explanation, Fishercat!
It's weird how the veto is already played and the TV episodes haven't even gotten to the noms yet. Four days before the comp is on air. I don't have the patience to watch live feeds this season. I could watch Showtime after Dark, but it doesn't seem that exciting. It was filling up my DVR when I set it to record, so I ditched it.
I appreciate all of you who patiently explain what is going on.
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08-01-10, 03:33 PM (EST)
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49. "Britney's Message to the Live Feeders"
Britney decided, in isolation, to talk a little to her family and all the people on the live feeds. It gives a decent insight into her mindset. I don't think she's going the right way, but it's here. Interesting stuff. Courtesy of Sucks' live feed reports

around 10:35am BBT (on feed 3) Britney is in bathroom putting on make-up and Brendon is talking with her about the weather.. after Brendon leaves, Britney begins speaking to the live feed viewers

Britney: "You have no idea what it is like to live with these people. It's ... difficult. Who knew, that Brendon and Rachel... of ALL PEOPLE.. Who knew? If you guys (live feeders) like them? It's so weird, because we have, like, no idea who America likes and America hates. And like, let's all recall the season of the Nerd Herd who thought they were like America's favorite people alive, and everyone hated them. But I think SURELY.. you guys see how it really is.. SURELY."

Britney: "It's awful. I deeply apologize to my mother for going around looking like crap all the time. I know I have shamed my family.. But it's so hard to have motivation in this house to even care about how you look. You just don't care.. it's like... for what? you know? So I wear the same clothes all the time and look like butt.. and I apologize."

Britney: "Gotta say, I'm not missing Andrew this week, not at all. <sigh> It's like less conversations I have to have, like the ones with Brendon, the ones like 'Oh yeah <smile> uh huh' done with that."

Sliding glass door opens and Brendon walks into the kitchen

Britney: "Oh geez. Great, now I can't go in the kitchen."

Continues rummaging and putting on make-up

Britney: "I miss my mom, Nick, and my friends so much. So much. Like way worse than I thought I would. I love you guys. But I'm here for the long haul."

Big Brother: "Brendon, please stop signing"

You hear Brendon's flip flops walking towards the bedrooms and Britney announces: "He's left the kitchen. I now have approximately 90 seconds to make cereal"

Britney grabs her coffee and hurries into the kitchen to make herself a bowl of Fruit Loops while Brendon is in the back.

Britney: "Ragan has taken the bait." (They've been playing a game where they try to get people trapped in conversations with Brendon, ala Zach from BB8)

Britney: "Ragan has been trapped, aiding my escape. Who would've thought I'd win that POV yesterday? Crazy! Crazy."

As she's walking outside: "Oh my god, do you hear him? (Brendon)"

Britney sits on the couch in the back yard, Enzo is running and Lane is working out in the BY.

Britney sits and is eating her cereal. She's still quietly talking to herself and us live feed viewers

Britney: "Enzo is hilarious. He makes us laugh, non-effing-stop. There's like nobody left in this house."

Lane asks: "Are you not gonna come train me?"

Britney: "When I finish my breakfast"

Lane: "Ok"

Britney (to herself and us): "Rachel and Brendon HAVE to go home next week. Even if I get HOH, it has to happen. GRE-NADE!"

Enzo asks Britney if Brendon is still doing his wizard voice from the POV comp and she tells him no, he's inside talking about shoulders and how to build them up.. Enzo is disgusted.. Britney: "I know, kill me. He got trapped with Ragan.. HAH!"

Lane: "He's talking about shoulders about working them out?"
Britney: "Yeah"
Enzo: "He needs to work on his needle-#####!"
Lane and Britney laugh
Britney: "He did, last night!" (insinuating about Brendon and Rachel's alone time in HOH)
Lane and Enzo laugh

Britney (again to herself and us): "Gross. That's the grossest thing to fathom. Not gutting puppies. Not decapitation of homosapiens. It's Brendon and Rachel banging. GROSS. I can't think of anything nastier. I'd rather sear my retinas with hot grease."

Britney: "Lane's a good guy. But he's looking out for number one."

Britney: "I miss Nick so bad, I still hope he loves me. He better! Or all this missing him would go to waste. And I miss my mom. I want to go to New York, with mom. Go shopping, see a couple of shows. Just hang out. Book it, Mom. Let's go spend some time"

Lane yells out: "Are you talking to yourself?"
Britney: "Yeah. I'm talking to the live feed viewers."
Lane: "You think they can hear you right now?"
Britney: "Yeah, I'm talking to my mom."
Lane: "Is she viewing right now?'
Britney: "Probably."
Lane: "Can you tell her 'hi' from me?"
Britney: "Mom, Lane said 'hi'"
Lane: "Tell her 'what up'"
Britney: "Lane said 'What up!'"
Lane: "What do you think she said?"
Britney <mimics her mom>: "Hi Lane!"
Lane: "Nice!"
Britney: "I bet my mom likes you"
Lane: "You think so?"
Britney: "Yeah"

Britney (again to herself and us): "Anyway, we're going to go to New York, go shopping, spend a lot of time together. I'm excited. We're going to visit Enzo and Joella. Have dinner. Watch TV on his new flat screen. If you get a chance, tell Kim I said hi. I miss her and Carter"

Britney finishes her cereal and starts chatting with Enzo and Lane and Britney wishes they would see some banners in the back yard.

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50. "RE: Britney's Message to the Live Feeders"
I think we might have a clue on who America likes or hates on Thursday when the Saboteur vote results will be revealed...
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56. "RE: Britney's Message to the Live Feeders"
>I think we might have a
>clue on who America likes
>or hates on Thursday when
>the Saboteur vote results will
>be revealed...

Probably. I wouldn't vote for Saboteur based on likes, rather on who would make a good one. A good saboteur isn't necessarily a likable person. I didn't vote, but I would have voted for Ragan or Britney. Matt would totally get into the role, but he would get too hung up on how smart he thinks he's being.

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08-01-10, 09:22 PM (EST)
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51. "RE: Britney's Message to the Live Feeders"
Britney's comment made me wonder if there is a viewer poll out there? I didn't see one on CBS but maybe I missed it.
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52. "RE: Britney's Message to the Live Feeders"
I don't know when the voting for Saboteur #2 is ending or has ended, but she probably figures that since there wasn't any slop this week, and therefore, no voting for bonus items... some kind of America's Choice/Vote must be in progress....

Much like Ragan supposed that it was probably time for the Prize/Punishment POV yesterday... the rats are that predictable...

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53. "RE: Britney's Message to the Live Feeders"
Sorry, I meant a purely popularity poll. Which players are the viewers' favorites? Where does the brigade or Brenchel rate?

Looking for something, I saw a discussion over at realitybbqforums that shows Britney is considering using the POV so that Kathy goes up and out. I'd like to see that happen.

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54. "RE: Britney's Message to the Live Feeders"
*shrug*

Maybe check Jokers? Other than that, I dunno...

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55. "RE: Britney's Message to the Live Feeders"
Britney is leading most of the popularity polls I have seen. Not sure where the others fit in.

I am not sure if the Saboteur vote is going to tell us who is most popular. Alot of fans are voting for reasons to punish them. They want to vote Matt hoping it will expose him and get him booted. Or vote Kathy and make her have to get up and do something. And then others want to vote Brendan so he has to keep a secret from Rachel and they will fight. I have no idea who will win the Saboteur vote. I haven't seen a definite front runner for the vote.

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57. "RE: Britney's Message to the Live Feeders"
Thank you.
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08-02-10, 02:24 AM (EST)
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58. "Pandora's box tied to choice from HG"
Here's a little article about the twist. The key sentence -

"The new twist will be limited to two weeks, and tied to the Pandoraís Box twist, as it will apparently be the negative consequence of opening the box."

http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/big_brother_12/2010_Aug_01_saboteur_return

As for who it may be, I've seen polls with both Britney and Enzo as the choices, as well as Matt, Brandon. I'd like to see Brit or Matt; they could get away with it, but I don't think they would accept. Enzo might, Brandon no way.


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59. "A deal with the devil(s) "
Hayden and Kristen approached Brendon and Rachel with a deal to nominate Kathy as replacement nom if Britney will use the POV. It was accepted! No one is to know of the deal, but Brit already knows that it was going to happen (the offer) and told Kristen she may use it to save Hayden if they could convince Rachel to replace him with Kathy. And it worked!

From Jokers:
http://forums.jokersupdates.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=bbusaupdates&Number=13984427&page=0&view=expanded&sb=5&o=&rc=&fpart=1

Kris: Quite honestly I thought you two had a deal w/andrew

Bren: i wish you would have come to us and talk to us

Rach i was not gonna put you up ever, kristen and i had that talk. You were coming after me in that competition

Kirs there was a lot of heated emotions during that. and a lot of lies from andrew.

hay if you do put up kathy, you don't really have anything to lose

Bren: even if you stay, you are not gonna have the same targets we have

Rach we have no one that we can 100 percent trust..the only thing that we have is each other. Every week we have had to fight to be here

Hay you have been great, but you guys do need help if you are gonna get any further

rach i know we do, but we also need people we can trust.

bren even if we do trust you, britney is gonna have to trust you.

rach brit is gonna have to be on the same page of putting kathy up. the only way this would work is if hayden came off the block...everyone would be to suspicious

Bren we cant push votes

Kris it will look good if me and kathy are up there together

Rach i was going to put up you and kathy at first but i felt like you guys could still be coming after me. I had to make a power move, this is a game

Kris I would have proably done the same thing. I understand where you are coming from

Rach this is gonna shake the house

hay & kris..they don't need to know


Britney is my new favorite .


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08-02-10, 07:15 AM (EST)
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60. "Fe, fi, fo, fum,"
can anybody be this dumb? We've seen hamsters shoot themselves in the foot before, hut Rachel has a gun grafted to her knee with permanent locked-in aim and the three-round regulator permanently disabled. The best result she could have hoped for with her nominations was Kristen gone, given that the voting numbers left no real chance of weakening the Meow2. Getting rid of Kathy makes the house a little less catty, takes out the unheard devil accusations, and makes it easier for everyone to find some 'they wouldn't put this on the feeds, would they?' time. Nothing else. As-was, no protection deals were going to be honored -- this just makes things extra-loud when the whole thing finally blows up.

A Britney quote from last night, said to Matt & Lane. "Nobody could keep a four-person alliance secret." Well, apparently everyone can keep a two-person hatefest under wraps, or at least shove it back when it escapes. (Britney is in for an eventual rude shock of her own.) Every time someone says how much they want Brenchel out, it either escapes Rachel's notice or deletes itself from memory two days later. Inspector Clouseau was better at piecing evidence together.

If Brendon wins the next HoH, the bomb's timer is on hold. Anyone else and the explosion is officially scheduled for next Friday. Locate your nearest fallout shelter: this one's going to be dirty.

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65. "RE: Fe, fi, fo, fum,"
I hope this happens -- I'm not fond of Rachel and I prefer Kristen to her (although I wasn't so fond of Kristen after her reaction to Andrew outing her & Hayden's showmance and basically telling everyone to get rid of her). As for Rachel's either not noticing that everyone says they want Radon split up or deleting the evidence -- that's probably because she's so wrapped up in Brendon. I guess love really is blind.


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61. "Was that all there was?"
If Rachel's HoH nomination speech didn't have 90% of its content edited out last night, then there are a lot of hamsters who've done much worse from the bully pulpit, nearly all of it with malice aforethought. Rachel wasn't totally gracious with notes about gameplay and excuses prepared in advance, but A. they were going to hate her anyway and B. what came out still wasn't that horrible --

-- which turns Brendon's festival of reaction and corrective verbal discipline into the real event.

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62. "Because Enzo controls everything."
Yesterday's wakeup music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDIkpY6QsQU

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63. "RE: Because Enzo controls everything."
And speaking of Enzo...I don't think he is down with the Hayden/Kristen pairing. He thinks Hayden will dump the Brigade for Kristen if she stays in the house, and wants her gone. I don't think any of the Hamsters see Kathy as a threat. If Rachel takes Kristen off the block, and puts Kathy in her place, Hayden may go. That would be tres stupid - for all of them. Kristen and Kathy are the Snakepit alliance.
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64. "Veto not used."
The really bad news: Kathy just made the jury.
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66. "RE: Veto not used."
Especially since it's going to be a 3-3 tie when she's unable to register a vote. Too much energy.
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67. "RE: Veto not used."
Or, God forbid, sitting in front of it.
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68. "RE: Veto not used."
>>> Kathy just made the jury.

Not necessarily. There are two other possibilities.

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70. "RE: Veto not used."
No, there's at least three. I'm not removing 'takes a swing at someone and gets kicked out of the house' from the board just yet: there's a breed of police officer which doesn't do well in any situation where their power is removed, and any close inspection of Kathy might find the marking stripes.

But right now, her tactic breaks down to the Janus model: in public, try to be everyone's mother (with all the horror that implies) -- but when in privacy, turn into Maggie with less charisma and a smaller cult. Endemol's even giving her the all-out Maggie edit.

I do remember where that edit wound up the last time.

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86. "RE: Veto not used."
"Endemol's even giving her the all-out Maggie edit."

Can I ask you what you mean? Isn't Kathy mostly invisible?

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88. "RE: Veto not used."
She's had some of the ugliest moments in the cage when it comes to verbal attacks and behind-their-backs comments on the others. Best friends with whoever's HoH, then turns around and talks about how that person is evil incarnate and only those with her are the good people. In other words, some of Maggie's cult tactics have found a new home with a less adept player --

-- but when she's on screen, it's the happy sheriff with the rough backstory who's just playing mother to the entire house.

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91. "RE: Veto not used."
Thanks, I hadn't read about the name-calling before.

"a less adept player"

Is Kathy even a player?!! I really didn't like Maggie but she knew how to listen to people and get to know them.


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69. "The beginning of the end"
LAST EDITED ON 08-03-10 AT 04:15 AM (EST)

Well, we knew it wouldn't last outside the house, but maybe now it won't even last IN the house. During her most recent drunken escapade, Rachel proclaimed that "I AM VEGAS!" and she ain't moving to no stinkin' California. Brendon tries to talk her out of it, they fight then make up.

But, before they do, he got the stare.

Over at TVC, some people are speculating that Brendon has some control issues with women. And Rachel is possibly an alcoholic who doens't know it yet. This evening is just more evidence supporting those theories. Just from reading the feeds, I agree with them.

Meanwhile, Kristen has approached everybody trying to get some support. She thinks she has 3 votes (Enzo, Lane, Britney, she tells Ragan) but they are just humoring her.

It's too bad they aren't humoring US!


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75. "RE: The beginning of the end"
And there it is: the Rachel death stare (pat. overly established). You can normally find it on the leader of the Death Row rebellion in any direct-to-DVD prison movie, but it migrates to the cage when it's needed -- a forty-mile round trip made twenty-three times per night.

I wonder when Scream Queens 3 will begin casting? I think we've got a natural...

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71. "'I am Vegas!'"
LAST EDITED ON 08-03-10 AT 05:14 PM (EST)

Rachel talked about her job last night. The joy of selling very expensive liquors and wines to people who'll regret it in the morning. The skill required to both make those sales and hide when people finally recover enough to add up their bill. How the only way to impress a woman in that city is to drop a lot of money. (Don't ask where.) About how her club has a $250,000 bottle -- and she's the one who sold it. (Brendon wondered if it was made with baby seal coasts, while Lane assumed the drinker went to the bathroom afterwards and defecated gold.) And she did all this talk while becoming progressively more and more soused, proving that you don't need to spend a quarter-million on alcohol to get the full effects. As RC noted, people are now starting to postulate that Rachel may be an unrecognized alcoholic. I'm not willing to go that far just yet, but the evidence is appearing night after night...

Brendon naturally got upset at some of this, especially with Rachel's non-conservative outfits, declaration of pole dancing skills, and determination to never leave the city. This led to what a Jokers poster called Fight #52093984 (actual count), and that eventually led to sex. Does it ever lead to anything else? Not so far. But the breakup/explosion may be getting closer by the hour -- or at least by the glass.

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72. "Ragan is piecing it together..."
LAST EDITED ON 08-03-10 AT 05:10 PM (EST)

Apparently he's been making a lot of notes about who hangs out with who, where they do it, and how often.

He just had a long conservation with Rachel & Kristen in the HoH room. The centerpiece of the talk: the house has no individual players. As he sees it, this season has split up into groups of 2s and 3s. (This is why he may not have the full Meow2 openly IDed. I think he has Hayden as having a sole devotion to Kristen instead of split-at-best loyalties.) He feels that the priority has to be splitting up the triplets, as they're going to be more powerful than the pairs. As such, he very much wants Hayden out of the house. He did his best to dance around actual names in the usual 'and I never said that' ploy, but he got his point across to where Rachel was able to echo it: Ragan feels a saved Hayden will fall in with Enzo and Lane -- if he isn't there already.

Ragan did expect Rachel to pass this on to Brendon. His intention (beyond getting rid of Hayden) seems to be the creation of a four-group to stand against the rest of the cage, although he might not be entirely sure this is his ideal quartet. He forced the point that he wasn't sharing this with Matt... possibly due to suspicions of his being in the Meow2.

Now, whether he can pull this off...

The problem: there are three votes to evict Kristen locked into place. Enzo, Lane, and Matt are unlikely to turn on Hayden at this stage. If Ragan pulls this off, he needs Kathy (not a problem), himself (ditto), Brendon (potentially difficult and you have to convince Rachel too -- who tends to forget strategy at the drop of the next glass), and Britney (who openly wants Kristen out, but can think strategically for at least short periods) So that's two locks, a major maybe, and a 'what's in it for me?'

It's not impossible. But I don't like his odds.

ETA Britney's voting possibilities.

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73. "RE: Ragan is piecing it together..."
LAST EDITED ON 08-03-10 AT 05:05 PM (EST)

Interesting. This might enable Kristen to stick around -- but Ragan needs help from Brendon and Rachel, you're right about that part.

ETA: Correction -- she'd need help from Brendon and Britney -- there's seven voters. Britney might not be a problem but Brendon would be if Rachel's bound and determined to get rid of Kristen, and there's plenty of evidence that she is.


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74. "RE: Ragan is piecing it together..."
*nods* I was editing mine as you were writing yours. (Not thinking about Britney can be qualified as self-defense.) So at least Ragan doesn't have to worry about Rachel going into 'And the Oscar is about to go to' mode as a moment of tiebreak, but he's still got two hard sells ahead of him -- effectively three, because you don't get Brendon without getting Rachel first. And there's no guarantee of keeping them.

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76. "Did you expect him to fall for that one?"
A long night of talk, hamster-bashing, a shout-out to Jokers (whom they presume hate them all), and not much going on of any interest -- except for this: for now, Brendon isn't going to cooperate with Ragan's plan. He doesn't believe Ragan. There's just no way that Enzo, Lane, and Hayden are in an alliance. He believes that so strongly, he faced the camera directly and said it to us. He doesn't believe it and we shouldn't either. So it's back to voting Kristen out, because 2 is more than 3. Or even 4.

*sigh*

Aren't you glad Grodner isn't running Faux News?

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77. "The DR can't keep its collective mouth shut."
From what Ragan's been saying -- what could be made out between the invocation of fish and the Voice Of The House ordering him to never talk about production starting right after the next time he tried -- the rats have been doing everything short of shouting 'There's a male alliance to break up, so start already!' followed by passing out a sheet with their names written on it. We've had similar incidents in the past where the DR tried to manipulate votes and storylines, and most of the involvement seemed to be getting a few hamsters to act in their own best interests when they were about to go the other way. The contestants generally ignored this.

So the guesswork here is that production isn't all that fond of the Meow2. They don't want the tale of the season to be 'secret alliance hides within the house until F4, then settles things among themselves.' And they now have reason to worry about that happening: if Kristen goes, the Meows are just about half the population. They're probably fine with a member winning -- they just don't want the domination storyline, in case it turns out to be boring.

Ragan's listening. Brendon isn't.

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78. "RE: The DR can't keep its collective mouth shut."
Prod. probably gave Ragan a little heads up on the Meows. That may be why he's been paying such close attention to when they meet, etc. Of course, he is going to promote getting them out of the house. The more he does that though, and the louder he gets, the more they will pressure Brendan to get Kristen out, which is exactly what Rachel wants. So, without the Meows, and B/R, who does that leave to save Kristen? - certainly not Hayden. Ragan, Kathy, and ??? Plus, if he fails, that just about ensures Ragan will go next, unless he wins HOH several x's in a row. Unless Matt breaks ranks, I don't see how Ragan pulls this off.
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79. "RE: The DR can't keep its collective mouth shut."
As noted above, Ragan needs the following votes to save Kristen: himself, Kathy, Britney, and Brendon. The first two are a lock, the third is difficult-but-not-impossible, and the fourth might require you show your PhD in astronomy before warning him about the meteor plummeting towards his head. So for now, that plan is out unless Ragan can get the HoH computer logged on to UoP for some very accelerated cram work.

Matt... no, I don't think he's ready to move yet, and Ragan may suspect him of being with the Meows already. Trying to flip Matt incurs the risk of letting the rest of that alliance know what Ragan's up to. Matt may feel a little too protected right now, and he strikes me as the type who wouldn't go along with a power move if he didn't personally create and orchestrate it. Remember, he's a Genius: lesser lights will not be allowed to outshine him, and it's all part of the plan -- right up until it isn't.

Ragan's ideal scenario: get all four votes (which at this point means drugging Brendon and hoping Rachel's drunk enough to sleep through the live episode), throw Hayden out, and then either he or Kristen wins HoH. (Ideally him, because Kristen may not stick to any plan. He wants to manipulate from behind the scenes, but he doesn't have anyone he can really count on to follow his advice.) Nominate any two Meows, put the third one on standby in case the backdoor needs to be opened. With luck, by the end of next week, he's cut their numbers in half. It still makes him a target for reprisal, but there's less of them to attack, and now the numbers are a little closer to being on his side.

Ragan's most likely result: no one listens to him, everyone except Kathy votes for Kristen to leave in the name of not making waves, and then a Meow takes HoH. The alliance puts up Brendon & Rachel due to popular demand. (The backdoor option is a giant question mark here. Kathy's turning into the eternal 'and she could go home' option and they won't risk one of their own. If I'm Ragan, I'm worried about the veto -- really, really worried.) Ragan is personally safe, but he's watching one of his theoretical votes go out the door.

And then we have the Really Unhappy Case: Brendon wins HoH -- the one who doesn't believe there's any alliance of males. Who's Brendon gonna nominate? While one of the answers to that might be 'Who's Rachel mad at this week?', Brendon likes to think of himself as a long-term strategic player. There's no alliances to break up, so Brendon might say 'I wonder who the jury threats are?' just a little too early -- then put up Britney & Ragan, figuring Kathy will never win a competition and can be dealt with at any time. Ragan goes out the door seven days later and Brendon pats himself on the back for five whole minutes 'cause he's so smart.

Ragan needs to make his move now, while there's still any chance of finding the votes to do so. And he tried to -- but ran into Brendon, The Human Roadblock.

It's not the absolute end of Ragan's game, but he can see it from here.

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80. "RE: The DR can't keep its collective mouth shut."
Veeeeery interesting, Natasha Dahlink, but gruesome.

Here is what I don't understand, even after this reeeeeeally good explanation and prognostication.

Why, when Ragan knows B/R are not only tight (Rachel, literally, on most nights) and historically very good at competitions, does he not become Rachel's lapdog, and run the gauntlet while perched on her arm, under cover of her sleeve, instead of blatantly putting a big ol' target on his back(side)?

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81. "RE: The DR can't keep its collective mouth shut."
A few reasons.

1. Rachel has to want a lapdog. She's already got something that slurps a lot with occasional moments of drool.

2. Guilt by association. At the moment, the majority of the case non-cordially despises Radon ((c) Belle Book). Visibly buddy up with one of them, fail to make it clear that you're just setting them up for something, and you become the next name on the hate list. In fact, even if Ragan did get it across that he was manipulating them for house benefit, he might get tossed just for showing himself as a player. The eternal risk of the game: floaters are targets, but not so much as players...

Rachel isn't a shield so much as she is a bullet magnet, and it doesn't have to be stray gunfire so much as slightly misaimed.

3. The scariest option: what if Rachel decides this means Ragan is coming between HER AND HER MAN?!?

Fear.

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82. "RE: The DR can't keep its collective mouth shut."
Ah-So. *snort*
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83. "Mandatory semi-ironic response."
Watch it, round-eyes.

Last year, I said the worst-case scenario was having your last, best hope be Jordan's IQ. Having to rely on a pair of PhD candidates doesn't seem to be much of an improvement.

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84. "Feeds vs. edit: Kathy."
If something of the Kathy/Kristen mutual hatefest and all the venom that came with it doesn't manifest by the end of Thursday, then the producers are officially hiding her.

There are worse signs, but not many.

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85. "RE: Feeds vs. edit: Kathy."
Same can also be said for Ragan, since he was the one who figured that the Prize/Punishment POV was next/soon on the menu... and none of it was mentioned...
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89. "RE: Feeds vs. edit: Kathy."
We also haven't heard any of the frequent discussion on past seasons. I don't think they want to portray any of the hamsters as game-savvy, and certainly not as capable of anticipating and outthinking production -- but Ragan may ultimately get the shortest end of that stick. His edit is stuck on 2D, and no one's ever sending it to three.
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87. "RE: Big Brother 12 Live Feeds Week 4: Rachel's Round 2"
Has there been anything on the feed about the Lane/Britney alliance? It was surprising to see Britney drop the idea of using veto in order to keep Lane safe.
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90. "RE: Big Brother 12 Live Feeds Week 4: Rachel's Round 2"
They're visibly close, although the word 'alliance' hasn't been thrown around and Lane seems to consider himself part of the Meows first and possibly only. But Britney arguably sees him as her closest male friend in the house. He participates in her comedy acts, she kneels on his back to give him extra weight during push-ups, and they've been spotted sharing a bed. (Just sharing. Britney's engaged and spends feed time calling out to her fiancee.)

I think the perception of an alliance is solely Britney's. Lane will throw her a vote as long as doing so is in the Meows' best interests: as soon as they're ready to get rid of her, he may be as well -- unless he suddenly shows himself to be capable of a power move. And I'm pretty sure that's not why he was cast.

For what it's worth, I'd like to be wrong.

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92. "RE: Big Brother 12 Live Feeds Week 4: Rachel's Round 2"
"unless he suddenly shows himself to be capable of a power move"

Or if the DR tells him what to do.

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93. "Rachel's HoH blog."
Did you ever see the House episode where Greg deliberately injured his hand because the fresh pain there would distract him from the preexisting agony in his leg?

"HEY HEY HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ITíS VEGAS AGAIN! YAY!!!!!

So I WON MY 2nd HOH!!!! OMG IM FREAKING OUT ITS CRAZY!!! Iím sure y'all all saw my post comp. "O"(as Reg referes to it) I was FREAKING OUT when I won b.c I didn't think I would and also b.c my frienenemy Kristin had JUST put me up like 5 times to try to knock me outa the comp. but I came through and won HOH YAY and ensured that Brendon and I would stay another week, I think I was so emotional about it really b.c if I wouldn't have won I think it would be Brendon and I on the block and I donít know if we could have saved ourselves! BUT YAY I saved us so we get to continue to FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!!!!!!!

THIS HOUSE AND THIS GAME IS CRAZY! Brendon and I fight for our lives EVERY comp. and every day and we donít really feel like ANYONE else does! Itís like easy road for a few people and than you have almost the ENTIRE HOUSE saying their coming after Brendon and I ----and I donít think its going to stop esp. since we keeeeeeeeeep winning comps.

So this HOH I decided to do things a lil' differently to be a lil more fiesty and fierce, and a lil more outspoken and mostly to MAKE POWER MOVES, really the first power moves of the game to date. I decided that it didnít matter who I upset or who I try to be nice to, or what the house wants b.c the "house" is STILL GOING TO COME AFTER BRENDON AND I so either we prove to them and show them its better to be on our side, and if your not with us than your against us! QUE my one liner about Floaters GRAB YOUR LIFEVESTS...... and basically they should be scared b.c anytime Iím in this position I am going to be coming after the floaters and after the people who are on easy street not fighting after all this is a competition to win 500,000$ no one said it would be easy, and I think that anything worth something in this world is worth working for worth fighting for and worth so much more when you achieve your goals b.c you know in your heart that you worked hard, worked harder and with your whole heart! So basically now Brendon and I just have to make it the next 5weeks so we can be in the finals and that is going to be SUPER SUPER HARD!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know that we are going to continue to be the "outsiders" to continue to be targets and to continue to have to fight and fight hard to be here, but HEY IM A COMPETITOR AND FIGHTER SO IM NOT SCARED LIKE I SAID TO KRISTIN AND HAYDEN you come for me and Brendon than BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! haha ;)

Speaking of which, so the fight with Kristin I have no idea where it stemmed from but in my opinion I think she wanted to be the "queeen bee" of the house. She wants to be the only girl here so she can skate through to the end have Hayden protect her and she thinks the boys wonít target her....maybe she viewed me as competition, which was a BAD game move on her part, Brendon and I are both smart good strong players why would you so openly target us?! I donít know what Kristin was thinking....maybe she thought she would win and than it just became a thing where she didnít want me to win, but Iím not kidding you put me in that moment with the adrelinine running and I donít even remember the riddles, I would hear the beginnings and I would quickly go through the comps. and hit the button... than after all the obvious targeting I won got super excited and maybe ummmmm....well yall saw went for Kristin, had a good one liner and than got INTO it with her....I donít even KNOW what the argument was about and at one point I know she even got up in my face---it was BANANAS! so than I did appoligize to her and like Kristin she said apology not accepted and eww tried to fight again-so I walked away, than got my HOH room and KRISTIN DIDNT COME UP!!!!! What is she thinking really!? Like to be so obviously rude and mean to the girl who just won HOH and who was your "BFF" two weeks ago???? HMMMMMMM well obviously all her cards are out on the table..... SO basically Kristin ends up on the block next to Hayden and really has NO WHERE TO GO BUT HOME>>>>>SEEEEEEE YA-WONíT MISS YA-THANK GOD YOUR GONE--it does suck that she couldnít play the game better and stay another week and make it to the jury!

So it was a really fun week, we played in a luxiourous(as Enzo would say) competition, to see who would view the NEW SUMMER MOVIE ďTHE OTHER GUYSĒ starring Will Ferrell(one of my FAV. ACTORS) and Mark Walhberg. And my boo boo and his boys won YAY So Brendon and I would have our first date, with chaprones hehe the movie was so good yall gota see it!!!! It was fun, funny, and action packed, really one of the best Will F. movies ever and so many good one liners and also a cast of stars the cast alone is worth the viewing! and in true Big Brother fashion we got the HOOOOOOK UPS we watched the movie with our own popcorn maker, and a plethlara(spelling) of candy like old school candy and new candy and everything in between!! WE ALSO had the BEST YUMMIEST soda collection known to man, I enjoyed an espresso diet soda AND a green tea diet soda Iím not kidding you it was so good!!!! I like these luxury comps. we get spoiled! So bottom line is if your ever in the Big Brother house playing for a luxiourous comp. play hard b.c the reward is big!

So now lets be GAME TALKERS........... Ok so Hayden and Kristin approached me and Brendon after the POV (which Britney won thank god!) and wanted to make a deal with us, of course they did their butts are on the line...and I think they would have said ANYTHING at this point to stay and be saved so I pushed their buttons and tried to see JUST how desperate they were, I told them what they were talking about was a final four-four person alliance, (thatís a LOT to commit to in week 4) and that they had to keep us safe pull us off vote to keep us all here and work for all of us to get to the final four....and THEY AGREED! WOW! HOW DUMB DO I LOOK not only do I KNOW that Kristin and Hayden now are trying to play anything they can but they are agreeing to put up their friends, to backstab everyone, and to be true to me and Brendon yea...ummm...not so much.... Then basically I TOLD Hayden he needed to go make a deal with Britney to not involve Kristin at all and to make it something she cant resist...and HE DID WHAT I SAID....so now I know how easily Hayden is really manipulated, and controlled YIKES! So I agreed to the deal for the night waited to hear what Hayden offered Brittney and than waited to talk to Brendon, well basically Hayden offers Britney two weeks free from going up and two weeks to pull her off the block, SHHHESH so this kid just basically promised everyone in the deal the 5 of us to be the final 5---is he willing to sell out his friends that quickly!?!?! SCARY and if Brit even KNEW WHAT DEAL WAS MADE THERES NO WAY SHE WOULD AGREE TO BE PART OF A DEAL WITH 2 COUPLES REALLY GUYS.... BRITS NOT DUMB SHES REALLY SMART! so I knew that this "deal" was bad news Kristin and Hayden would do anything to stay right now and turn immediatly on Brendon and I!!!! YUCK OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

So Brit didnít use the veto and Kristin started to campaign to keep herself here against her bff b/f Hayden, so she thinks that people would trust her at all if sheís willing to turn on Hayden who is her biggest alli than what wouldnít she do...? Apparently Kristin really needs to re-read the Big Brother manual b.c her game SUCKS sheís made so many bad game moves in one and a half weeks Iím suprised that if sheís this bad it took her this long to be figured out!?!?!

After all this I approached Britney about having an alliance with Brendon and I and she seems like shes down... I hope sheís not just playing Brendon and I and I hope she doesnít turn on us in the end like EVERYONE else in this game and house.... if Brendon and I can lock up two people we do trust and we do like than maybe that will guerentee us longeitivity in this game and we can hopefully make it to final four-than final two....its going to be really hard but I know that Brendon and I are capable of doing it! Its only going to get harder and Brendon and I are going to have to fight MORE AND MORE as the house gets smaller b.c the target on us gets bigger b.c people are going to want to split us up ASAP.... so America please be fans of ours we try soooo hard and fight harder hehehe

This game is only getting crazier I cant wait to find out what is going to be thrown at us the next few weeks and what yall have planed America

And thank you to the fans of Big Brother, we really do play this game for yall(well I do) I wish I could have yall sending me advice, its not easy when your in our shoes, this house is crazy and you always have to know that people are about to turn on you, mostly everything everyone says is a lie and even when you expect the unexpected you have NO IDEA whatís next! I hope they do a fans vs. favs b.c I know yall would beat me and teach me a thing or two about the game, I was a super fan also and I thought it would be easier but NO ITS NOT this Big Brother game and house is a constant battle for power, a constant battle to stay sane when your constantly being tested psychologically, a battle to play with logic when emotions get involved, a battle to find allis even for a week, a battle to trust people when you have everyone against you, its a social game, a physical game, an emotional game, THANK GOODNESS WE HAVE TRUE FANS cause YALL KNOW how nutz it must be, and I encourage the people who think they can play this game to do it! study every comp. study every season and STILL KNOW THAT ITS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT EVERY TIME I hope I get to sit back and watch yall next season and relate, to read your blogs and to know that your fighting as hard as I did for something you love, and you wanted so badly b.c that alone keeps you motivated, I never want to leave as hard as it will get and I can only expect it to be worse, I want to continue to be here fighting and in the end I can only hope I can meet the fans, and GAME TALK WITH YALL hehe even to the haters THANK YOU:::::To my fans I REALLY APPRICIATE YOUR SUPPORT AND HOPE YALL CONTINUE TO FOLLOW ME-To my haters keep hateing b.c the more you do the more motiviated I am to kick butt ;) BUT KNOW YALL I WILL BE UP HERE AGAIN BLOGGING AGAIN AND EACH TIME IM SURE MY BLOGS WILL BE DIFFERENT HAHA I HAVE LEARNED SO MUCH JUST BEING HOH TWICE AND there are STILL things I AM GOING TO DO Differently And DONT WORRY THE FIESTYNESS OF this RED HEAD WILL KEEP COMING OUT ;)

PS I MISS MY FAM, MY FRIENDS and my lil doggie Benz so much--I really really thank you for your support for your letters (lis and mom) and just the fact that I know yall watch me and are nervous for me when I play in these comps. and happy for me when I win, it really means so much that I am so blessed with such amazing family friends and fans I cant express that enough, yall really do make me fight harder! and I cant wait for yall to meet Brendon b.c hes really amazing ;) AND I LOVE YALL SO MUCH THANK YOU A MILLION TIMES

xoxoxox RACHEL ;) "


If anyone needs me, I'll be in the emergency room.

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94. "RE: Rachel's HoH blog."
be Brendon and I on the block

saying their coming after Brendon and I

I'm just tired of hearing her say Brenden and I instead of Brenden and me.
Did she supposedly type this herself? their coming ofter them?

& she has a PhD?

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95. "RE: Rachel's HoH blog."
They compose their own blog entries (and tweets): we've actually seen a few of them at the computer working out what they're going to say. Of the three people to hold HoH so far, Matt's the clearest writer. Hayden can get a few things across, but has trouble with apostrophes and comma placement. Rachel... she's posted two blog entries. The first one isn't exactly an improvement.

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/big_brother/community/hoh_blog/

Hamsterwatch has been doing All-Rachel Ratings on her blog days, writing things up the way she apparently would. In that format, it can be funny. But when you really see that it's her chosen writing style...

To be a chemist, you have to at least be able to write out a formula and compose a comprehensible lab report on your findings. I have to think Rachel can wring the alcohol out of her keyboard and write dry when she absolutely has to: she never would have passed a class otherwise. (Either that or she had a lot of friends transcribing her papers.) But if this is what comes out when she's writing 'as herself' --

-- well, it could just be the self she's choosing to present to the house: crazy Vegas party girl who only gets acquainted with the language if it'll buy her a drink. But I don't think she wants America to believe she's (at best) a one-field intellect. And reading through this writing style makes it hard to believe anything anything else.

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97. "RE: Rachel's HoH blog."
I've only heard that she ha a degree in Chemistry. Which means a BS. Which is probably appropriate for her.
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96. "RE: Rachel's HoH blog."
That was a long wade thru the shallow end.
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98. "RE: Rachel's HoH blog."
And it was still enough for several people to drown in.
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100. "RE: Rachel's HoH blog."
You know it is bad when the written word makes your ears bleed.
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101. "RE: Rachel's HoH blog."
I was thinking about having a Write Like Rachel Day.
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102. "RE: Rachel's HoH blog."
Write like Rachel? I don't think I could do that. I think that's the evidence of a brain function that differentiates her from the rest of humanity, that is if the human genetic tree hasn't diverted with her and branched off into another anthropological subspecies.

I prefer to think that it has, and that the relationship between she and I (and all of us) is as distant as possible.

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103. "RE: Rachel's HoH blog."
Gosh, Monet, but how did you feel about Rachel before she opened her mouth? Was it urge to punch her in the face on first sight?

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99. "Something's up..."
The hamsters have been locked into the house (no backyard access) since six a.m. yesterday (PDT) and were woken up Way Too Early this morning, at least by their standards. And as soon as they were awake? Locked into the HoH bedroom to wait out the day.

The suspicion is that we're looking at a big production number for HoH -- they can hear construction going on outside. Rachel's worried about Revive-A-Hamster -- specifically, Annie. Matt and Hayden think it could be a double eviction. Brendon's thinking endurance and ate oatmeal to get "slow burning carbs which will ensure my HoH victory." The reaction to this bordered on the hysterical, but only when he was out of earshot.

Today's biggest worry: cooking. It seems Rachel's been doing a lot of it, happily fixing meals for the house -- particularly breakfasts. Rachel gets up, people eat. So what happens when the house officially turns on her and Brendon tomorrow? Will she still be in the mood to cook? Is it possible that -- horrors! -- the threat of eviction will keep her from preparing food? What if breaking up the couple means people have to crack their own eggs?

How To Evict Brendon And Get Bacon Too. Matt's Genius is still working on that one.

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104. "Mean Boys."
Transcribed by WillRulz at Jokers:

"Enzo and Hayden chat alone making fun of everyone else.

Enzo has had enough. He wants everyone in the house to be booted. He is sick and tired of Brendon, Kathy, everyone. He cannot even listen to their conversations any more.

They complain that Rachel might use up all the water in the downstairs shower when she could have used the one in the HOH.

Enzo calls Rachel a ***** #####.

Enzo: Get the ***** out already.

Hayden: She is using up all the hot water.

Enzo: I cannot stand Ragan and Britney any more. Season 11, this and that. I am going to snap. I swear I am going to snap.

They laugh about winning HOH and saying to everyone...Who wants to see our Brigade flag?

Hayden: Wait until we come out and fly the Brigade flag. It will be two weeks from now.

Enzo: Ragan says the same thing over and over. Matt is getting too close to him too.

They can hear Kathy in the next room.

Enzo: Shut up, Kathy.

Enzo: After Brendon, Rachel are gone, Ragan is next.

Hayden: That is smart.

Enzo: Look how far we are. Four people are gone.

Enzo about Rachel: Shut. The. *****. Up. Get. Out. Of. The. Shower.

They think there might be a twist tonight.

Enzo: Brendon thinks he is winning it tonight.

Hayden: There is going to be no hot water left.

Enzo: No hot water because of ***** Ginger.

(Around this point, Lane enters.)

They sit and silence as they listen to Rachel and Kathy in the bathroom.

Hayden thinks Rachel is going to dye her hair in the bathroom too.

Enzo: Why do people snap in this house? Because of ***** like this. She had the HOH. Why couldn't she do all this ***** yesterday?

After either Rachel or Brendon are wiped out, Enzo wants Ragan out. He mentions Matt becoming too close to Ragan again.

Enzo: Ragan is playing the game too good. He is friends with everyone.

Hayden and Enzo complain about Britney and Ragan talking non-stop about seasons 10 and 11 last night.

Hayden wanted them to go to bed as there is a big competition today.

Enzo: I just wanted to go in there and strangle Ragan.

Enzo thinks it would be crappy for the series if Ragan won the season. He sees Kathy staying around awhile because the "heavyweights are going to war".

Enzo: Matty messed up as HOH but maybe it worked out for us because we are not targeted this week.

Ragan enters the room. They talk about how Kristen feels.

Enzo: She feels like it is a wrap, right?

Ragan says she was crying.

Ragan: She is a good sport.

Enzo: She doesn't deserve a 6 to 1 vote. It sucks that Kathy is beating her out.

Lane: That's Big Brother."

And now you know why the DR is going into panic mode. They're looking at a Four Horseman scenario: all the testosterone and methane emissions you can stand from now until the end of the season. Since we all remember how that impacted the ratings when Natalie did it...

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105. "RE: Mean Boys."
*descending slide whistle* *BOOM*

That's what seems to be the case when the dominant alliance isn't well liked by the viewing public...

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