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vince3 17341 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-06-09, 03:56 PM (EST)
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"Big Brother 11 F4 ECST" |
Let's use this for remaining 5 episodes to air, which probalby will crown a winner we're gonna hate something awful........
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09-06-09, 08:24 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Luxury Competition" |
They shop by putting on the clothes. Keven molests the mannequin to get his clothes.
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09-06-09, 08:35 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Luxury Competition" |
They have a minimum number of blurs they have to use per show?
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09-06-09, 09:47 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: Luxury Competition" |
I think she was worried about her weight gain.
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Estee 55194 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-06-09, 10:12 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: Luxury Competition" |
A pose Jeff should be completely familiar with.
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09-06-09, 08:35 PM (EST)
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8. "Pandora's Box II" |
Good or bad for HOH or house.Spend time with a loved one in the BB house, see how is waiting for you. Her boyfriend Jason. Env. Number II Privilege comes at a price. To meet with him give up POV competition. He is there with a rose. Only have 5 minutes. He did propose. *BLOOOORGH* They have champagne. He gave her a twist-tie ring. Another envelope to open. If you want 15 minutes push the button, rest of the house will be annoyed. Man in Baby outfit. He wants his Mommy. Very large man in a baby outfit. Jason asked her Dad for her hand on premier night. Small person in a cat costume. A Copy Cat, does everything they do. Jason says to tell them, and she says it will hurt her in the game. Roach costumed guy comes in and starts spraying people. She liked spending time with him *Blech* Then the pests leave.
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09-06-09, 08:40 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Pandora's Box II" |
I'm starting to like the "I will slap the natbitch" Kevin. Too bad he wasn't like that from the start.
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09-06-09, 08:44 PM (EST)
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13. "Kevin wants to get to the bottom of this" |
gNat putting on her crown and robe.Kev tells her the bluff isn't adding up. She figures she has to come clean but make it look like she was pranking them. She admits it was good news for her. 20 minutes with boyfriend and he proposed. Even telling the truth she looks like she is lying.
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09-06-09, 09:40 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: America's Vote" |
Oh, it bugs me so, that they put up the ad for "vote for your favorite" right after the segment here Nat gets engaged. Are there voters out there who will think "ah, such a nice young couple, they need something like the 25k to start out with in their marriage" and will vote for Nat?
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09-06-09, 08:55 PM (EST)
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15. "Nomination Ceremony" |
Only one key to pull. She is in the crown and robe with scepter.She pulls Jordan's key. Michele and Kevin nominated. Kevin you say this is like a game of chess, I got three moves ahead, strategic reasons so you can't get me out. Michele for personal reasons. Backstabber and liar and if I make a deal with you I make a deal with the devil. She says she is playing the house like a fiddle and focusing on the lie to Jordan. Keven says gNat is a liar and screwed me over and this showed her true colors. Michele says devil won't take you to the final two.
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09-06-09, 09:55 PM (EST)
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24. "RE: Big Brother 11 F4 ECST" |
So when is the finale?When do we get to hear the jury questions? Is that next Sunday? And what about Nat saying she doesn't have Jesse's vote in the jury house? Where did that come from if all she met with was her BF, Jason? And do you think her BF told her she has internet haters? Right after you get engaged, that's what you tell your fiancee? What about Nat's slipping and calling her BF the name Jesse several times? Is she conflicted about her engagement? Something seems weird. Did the DR tell her something or did Jason mention how Jesse acted about Nat's really being 24 instead of 18 and therefore she doesn't have her vote?
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09-08-09, 09:13 PM (EST)
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36. "RE: Tuesday Night Show" |
TV's and DVR's spontaneously combust to prevent the show from being seen?
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09-08-09, 09:05 PM (EST)
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33. "Is Chen's hair getting bigger and bigger " |
the more pregnant she gets?
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09-08-09, 09:22 PM (EST)
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39. "Final POV Competition:" |
Natalie is forced to sit in the HoH during the competition.20 clues, half on left side and half on right side. Names of hamsters on 4 different horizontal sides of the blocks Each block had to be stacked so that each pair of clues are answered correctly...... Michele tried stacking quickly, and had a ton wrong....... Jordan can't do anything and wasn't stacking. Kevin had an idea what his second block was but couldn't find it until he got to the 7th row. Also, the color of the blocks that they're using is the color of one of the other stations in play....... Michele buzzes in and misses by one. (She had Russell/Lydia, instead of Russell/Jessie....) Kevin wins the Final POV.
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09-08-09, 09:32 PM (EST)
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41. "Keven and gNat" |
celebrate in the HOH room as if they didn't already give their partnership away downstairs.
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09-08-09, 09:45 PM (EST)
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44. "RE: Big Brother 11 F4 ECST" |
After Julie tries to send Natalie a clue that her age lie might not be helping her in the Jury House during the HoHterview. Kevin fakes the Marcellas and does take himself off of the block.
Michele whips out a pair of Devil horns for her empassioned plea for her safety, but.......
It falls on deaf ears. Kevin votes to evict Michele. And now the bottom row is all alone in the cage.
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09-08-09, 09:52 PM (EST)
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48. "RE: Big Brother 11 F4 ECST" |
Well the bottom of a hamster cage can get pretty nasty.
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09-08-09, 09:49 PM (EST)
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45. "Goodbye messages (paraphrased)" |
Natalie: I don't care if you vote for me, you played a dirty game.Kevin: Please don't hold this against me! I wasn't sure if you were gonna betray me or not..... Jordan: I'm gonna miss you! *sniff* I might be joining you, too! *sniff* HoH Competition preview: They're on a giant log!
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09-08-09, 09:57 PM (EST)
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50. "RE: Final HoH, Part 1" |
Kevin holding the key with one hand using the other to balance. Girls both going for a two handed strategy.
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09-08-09, 10:01 PM (EST)
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53. "RE: Big Brother 11 F4 ECST" |
It didn't look so bad at the beginning, but it did look like Jordan's key got a lot higher right there at the end.
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09-09-09, 09:26 AM (EST)
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56. "RE: Big Brother 11 F4 ECST" |
I mentioned this on the other thread. So I wasn't the only one to notice this huh? BB really needs to look at heights and such when setting these things up.
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09-09-09, 11:35 AM (EST)
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61. "RE: Michelle" |
Don't forget plotting with Lydia on putting a Red M&M in her food or drink because she's allergic. I can't recall which one of them was the instigator of that but both seemed to think it was a fine idea.
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09-10-09, 07:54 PM (EST)
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62. "When we left the hamsters" |
They were on a giant spinning log, holding onto their keys, and having to suffer rain, wind, and falling leaves, among other things.......
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09-10-09, 08:07 PM (EST)
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65. "RE: Big Brother 11 F4 ECST" |
Rehashing about Michele's eviction, and Natalie's venom toward her, even after Michele left the house, including on the log......
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09-10-09, 08:10 PM (EST)
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66. "RE: Big Brother 11 F4 ECST" |
Good. We've been waiting a couple of months for the producers to get around to running The Worst Of Natalie. If they're showing that degree of ugliness now, they may finally be ready to throw her under the incoming 747. (The bus wouldn't do enough damage.)
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09-10-09, 08:17 PM (EST)
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68. "Part 1 highlights" |
55 minutes in, the log suddenly stopped and almost took everyone out.Kevin complains about the cold rain. WHOAH! Natalie slipped on the log, and by hanging on to the rope/key, managed to spin her way back on to the log! 1:30 or so, they start showing the log doing lumberjack log rolling tricks....... 3:02ish, the talk about going until sunrise and beyond for Kevin/Natalie...... Natalie told her during one moment that if Jordan falls, that she'd be off about 5 minutes later...... 3:27, a distracted Jordan bit the dust when the log had her walking backwards..... Once Jordan went in, they start talking friendly again...... CBS just aired Kevin speaking Spanish to Natalie asking her to drop in about 5 minutes..... Kevin then talks about their plan for Natalie to throw Part 1 to Kevin, and then they flashed back 3 days previously to just that talk...... Now they're arguing, as Kevin DR's that he is planning to dump Natalie after part 3....... After Natalie drops, he walks off the log to the side...... Jeff in the Jury House will be shown, plus 4 of the most famous HGs will be in Julie's Boudoir to weigh in on the current Final 3.......
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09-10-09, 08:27 PM (EST)
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72. "RE: Part 1 highlights" |
Janelle, EDick, Danielle, and some nameless guy who rides Will's coattails.
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09-10-09, 08:26 PM (EST)
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71. "Get ready for a new record." |
Number of times cutting to fish during a live show.
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09-10-09, 08:28 PM (EST)
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73. "Schedule change announcement" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-10-09 AT 08:31 PM (EST)They're all shocked about the announcement that nobody will be leaving tonight...... Natalie/Jordan will play in Part 2 tonight. Whoever wins, will play Kevin on Finale night. The winner of Final HoH will then evict Juror #6 who'll join the remaining 5 jurors for immediate grilling of the F2, and then the Jury will cast their votes. Russel/Lydia both are hoping that Kevin doesn't come in, and that he wins the game...... Highlights of Jeff joining the Jury House, and he initially faked that Kevin was actually the one coming in.....
Jeff's unfortunately thinking that Michele will send Kevin next to the Jury House...... After the break: Boogie, Janelle, Danielle (BB3/AS), and ED will join Chenbot to talk about the current crop......
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Estee 55194 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-10-09, 08:31 PM (EST)
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75. "RE: Schedule change announcement" |
How's his Kevin imitation? And was he able to get his spine reinserted after he finished?
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Snidget 43862 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-10-09, 08:30 PM (EST)
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74. "Can I start hating one of the survivors already?" |
He went to the gNat-a-Lie school of game play.
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09-10-09, 08:38 PM (EST)
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79. "RE: Can I start hating one of the survivors already?" |
Save your strength. You're probably going to wind up hating him for consecutive seasons.
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Snidget 43862 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-10-09, 08:43 PM (EST)
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81. "RE: Can I start hating one of the survivors already?" |
Hopefully Jiffy won't want to have his baby like he did with that coach guy.
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Estee 55194 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-10-09, 08:45 PM (EST)
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82. "RE: Can I start hating one of the survivors already?" |
Now you're just being silly. Everyone knows Benji successfully gave birth to octuplets.
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Snidget 43862 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-10-09, 08:47 PM (EST)
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83. "RE: Can I start hating one of the survivors already?" |
didn't the pygmies deliver the babies?
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09-10-09, 08:42 PM (EST)
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80. "RE: Can I start hating one of the survivors already?" |
Russell H. told a story about being in New Orleans during Katrina, but he lied. He wasn't there......
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09-10-09, 08:50 PM (EST)
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84. "So...did gNat try to tank that" |
or is she just not that good at competitions.
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09-10-09, 08:56 PM (EST)
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90. "RE: So...did gNat try to tank that" |
I think she Dr. Will'd on that one: Failure to win when you need to do so after tanking so badly......Kevin has a look of shock and covered his mouth. Natalie bitters about screwing it up...... Sunday: Hilarious/Embarassing Never Before Seen Moments......
Tuesday: 2-hour Finale starts at 9..... I think Natalie's going to be rehashing that debacle until Tuesday........
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09-10-09, 08:51 PM (EST)
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85. "Egad that is complicated" |
6 things to vote fair. Depends on the pair and then who of that pair you want to win.
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09-10-09, 08:51 PM (EST)
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86. "Final HoH, Part 2" |
They have 2 minutes to roll balls with the names of all those that won the HoH to the holes that represent the weeks that they won them......However, if the ball gets stuck in the wrong hole? SOL. Correct order:
Jessie Ronnie Jessie Russell Chima Michele Jordan Jeff Kevin Natalie Natalie ended up getting 5 right (she ended up rolling a Jessie ball into week 4, and then got another one in a wrong hole which messed her up......)
In case of a tie, whoever finishes with more time on the clock wins...... Jordan's up. She's got 9 right and completed it much faster, so she'll win Part 2. (accidentally rolled a Ronnie ball into week 4) America's choice: 7th Juror, and they'll have a text for all 3 scenarios. 1 for Jordan vs. 2 for Kevin 3 for Kevin vs. 4 for Natalie 5 for Jordan vs. 6 for Natalie
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Estee 55194 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-10-09, 09:00 PM (EST)
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91. "RE: I think maybe the Chenbot" |
But if it had just been its own Junior Olympics event...
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09-11-09, 11:52 AM (EST)
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112. "RE: I think maybe the Chenbot" |
I had a funny look on my face when Jordan won.
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09-10-09, 09:14 PM (EST)
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92. "RE: Big Brother 11 F4 ECST" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-10-09 AT 09:15 PM (EST)The fairness side of me says WTF with having ED, Boogey, Dani and Jani on the show to talk up Kevin? And then run the thing for the jury vote, lol. But, given how this season has turned out, I'm not half as aggravated over this blatant move as I might be, particularly with their laxness in the HOH comp with Nat. Who knows if Jordan would have focused differently if Nat had been eliminated in that first comp? No matter, Jordan smoked Nat tonight and I love that! Now Jordan's won two things legit and one was helped by Jeff. That trumps Nat's record. And Nat had plenty of time to practice. Hoist by her own petard of cockiness, perhaps? LOL!
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09-10-09, 09:51 PM (EST)
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97. "RE: Big Brother 11 F4 ECST" |
I think so, or at least: Kevin=Jordan>gNat........
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09-10-09, 10:34 PM (EST)
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98. "RE: Big Brother 11 F4 ECST" |
You mean that, if Kevin does as he said and eliminates the biznatch, he could be making a $450 000 mistake?
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09-10-09, 10:45 PM (EST)
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99. "RE: Big Brother 11 F4 ECST" |
Maybe, maybe not. It's entirely possible that the jury will be so ecstatic to see gNataLIE gone that they may just breeze through the Jury Questioning to award him the money 5-1, not counting America's vote.........
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09-11-09, 03:29 AM (EST)
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102. "RE: Big Brother 11 F4 ECST" |
I dare you to explain that equation to Jordan.
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09-11-09, 08:03 AM (EST)
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104. "RE: Big Brother 11 F4 ECST" |
We're all in trouble. Someone has to explain 'explaining'.
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09-10-09, 09:39 PM (EST)
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95. "RE: Will BB haul out that Nat footage that they already have prepared that shows" |
HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is it really true? Jordan beat gNataliar? Whoohoo!!!! Please, please get gNataliar out of there!
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09-11-09, 09:22 AM (EST)
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108. "RE: kevin made his $ mistake when he kicked off michelle." |
Why does Kevin hate Jeff so much - even with him getting Jeff out of the house.
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09-11-09, 08:25 PM (EST)
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114. "RE: kevin made his $ mistake when he kicked off michelle." |
I think in a Kevin/Jordo F2, Jordan's odds are sketchy. She should have Jeff and Michelle. She might have America.Kevin will have Lydia, might get America, should get Jesse as an alliance vote given that Jesse can't vote for Jesse. Russell and Jordo were at odds bigtime, and I think he respects Kevin's game; he seems like a gameplayer vote guy. Which leaves Nat, Ms. Vindiction. If Jordo wins HOH and takes Kevin, she votes Kevin. If Kevin stabs Nat in back, I am not sure what she'll do, because she's big on lying but she has been loyal to her team, and she won't like the betrayal. But she'll want her team to win. Maybe her head will explode and then all that grease will catch fire. It's possible that Kevin could take Nat over Jordo now that he knows about America's voter, as America gave Jeff power, he has an idea America is not rooting for him and Gnat. I think if Jordan wins and takes Gnat, that she will clearly have America's vote in that scenario, so Lydia will be the deciding vote, and won't vote for Gnat. Kevin, Russ, and Jesse's votes wouldn't matter. I think Lydia will vote with her emotions and not for her alliance. Yes Jordan's BF evicted Jessie, but that wasn't Jordan's doing, as she didn't even know about the coup d'etat. http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/User_file s/4759d0923e5ccdb5.jpg
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09-12-09, 12:53 PM (EST)
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117. "RE: kevin made his $ mistake when he kicked off michelle." |
LAST EDITED ON 09-16-09 AT 01:00 PM (EST)Hi, OFG! Still in Hawaii? How's it going? I turned off the feeds when Michele lost POV to Kevin, but I think your vote analysis is correct. Jessie, Lydia and Russell would all vote Kevin, without a doubt. Jeff and Michele would vote Jordan, as would America. So gNat would be the tiebreaking vote, and Jordan's only chance of getting her vote is if Kevin boots her, which he WILL NOT do. In a Kevin-gNat finale, Kevin wins easily. I don't see gNat getting a vote. In a Jordan-gNat finale, I think gNat has got real problems. I think she gets Russell's vote. But probably not Kevin's, because he'll feel that she sandbagged to get him out. She could easily lose 6-1. In other words, gNat can't win. Jordan can, but she should boot Kevin if she wins the last HoH. And Kevin can't lose if he sticks to his alliance and makes the final. Edited for dumb typo.
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09-14-09, 07:05 AM (EST)
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153. "RE: kevin made his $ mistake when he kicked off michelle." |
belated hi back to AyaK! Yep, still in Hawai'i, which is not at all like being here on vacation, for those who are envious. Kind of like Survivor on an island is not like Club Med. Yeah, when Michelle lost POV I gave up too. What an awful recap. I don't think there was a bit of new footage, and here's a show with incredible unaired footage, and they are too lazy to give us anything but what's already been aired, some of it four of five times already. I hope the jury is a little bit interesting, but am not too hopeful.
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Estee 55194 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-13-09, 07:58 PM (EST)
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118. "It's Secret Footage Night!" |
See the whole and total five seconds of the game when Natalie was clean!
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Estee 55194 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-13-09, 08:10 PM (EST)
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120. "RE: It's Secret Footage Night!" |
Dunno & don't care. I'm going to soak in the bathtub for an hour.
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09-13-09, 08:27 PM (EST)
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121. "RE: It's Secret Footage Night!" |
Leave me here all alone. Enjoy your bath. Hopefully it'll get the gNat stank off from watching the season up until now.
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Snidget 43862 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-13-09, 08:28 PM (EST)
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122. "What What What Recap" |
All of them about the 'til Tuesday thing, now many times do they need to replay that.
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09-13-09, 08:30 PM (EST)
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124. "RE: What What What Recap" |
Maybe 4 more times? ......
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Snidget 43862 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-13-09, 08:51 PM (EST)
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135. "RE: Talking about Ronnie and Russell" |
This isn't Reality TV Watcher's Anonymous, ya know.
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batts 1725 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall"
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09-13-09, 08:53 PM (EST)
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136. "RE: Talking about Ronnie and Russell" |
Reality TV watchers... Would that involve more crying?
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Snidget 43862 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-13-09, 08:56 PM (EST)
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138. "RE: Review of Jesse's Funeral." |
gNat says it wasn't dramatic, it was real.
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batts 1725 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall"
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09-13-09, 09:00 PM (EST)
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141. "Did he just say Redonkulous?" |
Is that a word? Ree-DONK* YOU lus... hmmm
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09-13-09, 09:20 PM (EST)
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150. "Wow we are the final three-iest" |
Best of luckiest groupiest huggiest ever.
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09-13-09, 09:22 PM (EST)
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151. "Except for DR-Kevin" |
because that dude would cut a b****. Hopefully they'll let him out of the DR before Tuesday.
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09-14-09, 06:42 AM (EST)
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152. "RE: Except for DR-Kevin" |
That was theeeee most boring show I have ever watched. Kept telling myself to turn the channel, but I was thinking I might miss something good! HA!
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09-15-09, 10:28 AM (EST)
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158. "RE: Big Brother 11 F4 ECST" |
I'd vote for Ground Zero (The Air Force kind).
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