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"Anyone doubting Yaney now????"
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"Anyone doubting Yaney now????" |
...Anyone who doesn't doesn't believe that yaney is the FAVORITE to win this whole thing is just plain living in denial at this point!
No one, repeat no one is gonna vote him off AND
you better believe that no one is gonna take him down with them!
After missing out on the vote, it feels good to be right about this one....go Balloon-Boy!
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3. "Hey Omi-wannna-brain...." |
>The 2 last remaining recruits will
>have a physical endurance duel.
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>Yaney = Wimp = Lose duel.
.....the gautlet consists of 7 physical challenges, the winner of each challenge receives a dog tag.
After the gautlet the final two will be reuinited with the previous 6 DISCHAGED (note: not the dismissed ones, only the ones that fall victim to the takedown rule) recruits...those six will each hand over their dog tag to the one they want to win...so there will be 13 total dog tags, the one with the most obviously wins. It stands to reason that, given his popularity, Yaney could easily sweep all six votes...then he would only have to win ONE challenge to win the 500K. ALSO, the way the voting is working out, there is a better than average chance that it will be man vs woman in the final two, and Yaney could hold his own with any of the women physically (there's no Alicia in the group), so it stands to reason that he woulnd't be shut out in the gautlet. I saw your list of favorite recruits (park, Weasel, Hutak)...basically, all the @ssholes.....gee, I can tell you're a blast at parties.
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IceCat 16886 desperate attention whore postings
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04-19-01, 04:23 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: Hey Omi-wannna-brain...." |
> I saw your list of favorite recruits (park, Weasel,
> Hutak)...basically, all the @ssholes.....gee, I can tell
> you're a blast at parties.
Heh heh...
A classic implementation of the 'Proof by Rectal Induction'.
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tonedef 68 desperate attention whore postings
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5. "I disagree with him making it to the end..." |
I'll start off by saying that I am, so far, 0 for 6 in predictions, so by no means am I a true authority on this case! However, after last nights show, the examination of the womens strategy shows that Yanney will be gone next.As much as they want Jackson, Moretti and Wolf gone, they know that, if they voted for one of them, they will pull a woman down with them. They knew this last night as well, which is why they HAD to throw a vote at one of the wildcards..Lauder or Yaney. Though there was a chance they would take a woman, it wasn't guaranteed. If they want the majority, they have to take these risks. Yaney had immunity, so Lauder got the vote. Unfortunately, Hutak got on his nerves, so he pulled her with him. Brown basically leads the women, and knows that she is gone if Wolf, Jackson or Moretti are on the chopping block. So, her wise decision? Vote for Yaney. He hasn't had any true alliance with anyone, and has only voted with the majority once. He is the wildcard, and, if smart, they will use him to hopefully pull one of the guys down on the way out. The smart plan? Plan to vote for Yaney from day 14...and act really nice to him. Make it so that he won't want to pull any of them down with him. Then, hopefully, he will take one of the other guys with him, giving the women the majority. Yaney may be a great guy, but he is the only real choice for Brown to go after next week. Thus, he will go.
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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings
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04-19-01, 01:50 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Anyone doubting Yaney now???? ***RAISING HAND***" |
I don't think Yaney makes it to the end.With the "weak links" now almost gone, Yaney BECOMES a weak link. His time as Squad Leader and immunity is DONE. If there's ever a situation where the two alliances (The Wolf Alliance and The Brown Alliance, for lack of better terms) can't decide, they might compromise with the Yaney vote. Yaney might make it to the Final Four, but not much farther. *** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged "I've never been bored a day in my life. Only boring people get bored." -- Jerri Manthey
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13. "RE: Anyone doubting Yaney now???? ***RAISING HAND***" |
Agree, Dawg.The Wolfies sacrificed one of their own last time hoping to rid themselves of Brown. Didn't work. They don't want to vote to dismiss one of the Brownies becuase they fear a retaliatory discharge. What to do? I suspect another weakest link dismissal like Yaney. But can the Wolfies be sure that he won't discharge one of them? I don't know but he sure seemed to be a little more "one of the boys" after the successful mission and taking the rap for the missing equipment. Once they're down to final 6, the strong become HUGE targets. I can't wait to see the results when the Wolfpack start to turn on their own. Pure speculation, but my guess is Yaney takes Coddington next week. This is based mostly on my perception of face time and not really on game logic. Had I followed face time theory last week like I mentioned in my vote post, I would have nailed the Lauder-Hutak outcome. I'm gonna go with it this week, even if it doesn't make complete logical sense based on what we've been shown.
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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings
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04-23-01, 07:19 AM (EST)
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14. "RE: Anyone doubting Yaney now???? ***RAISING HAND***" |
I'm still debating in my mind who Yaney might take if he gets waxed. Agreed that the attempt to get Brown waxed didn't work. I am still not understanding why Lauder voted Jackson then took Hutak, that seemed crazy and almost fixed.You make an excellent point, munson, about face time, which might indicate Coddington goes (even if Yaney doesn't). But if a recruit gets thrown out for insubordination (as the previews are "hinting" at), then there is no retaliatory dismissal. Back to the point. There is no telling who Yaney might take if he's voted out. He showed some game-awareness by not just taking Brown's word about Wolf last week. He doesn't seem to be strongly allied to either side, which may work for or against him. I can't remember offhand who he voted for in the last episode (Whitlow or Moretty?), but I'll review the tape and that is who I'd guess at.... *** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged "I've never been bored a day in my life. Only boring people get bored." -- Jerri Manthey
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05-01-01, 05:55 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: Anyone doubting Yaney now???? ***RAISING HAND***" |
>she likes Yaney. She did say alot of us
>were close and to read between the lines. As a working hypothesis, I'll take this to mean that my suggestion might be right: They edited Coddlington's final speech, and that what she REALLY said is NOT what we were led to believe on TV. >People were guessing that Yaney wanted out and Coddington knew this and took him as a friend. She also didn't
>want to give her fellow females the satisfaction of taking
>Wolf since they had voted against her. So that
>is probably close to the reason. I am beginning to agree with the idea that Yaney (although threatening to take out with him anyone who voted against him) might have made a deal with Coddington that if she were voted out, she should take him. But see below for more on this. >I did see Yaney on "Access Hollywood" and he seemed happy
>it was over. A bit more on this: How did it happen that Yaney got picked as squad leader in the first place? Now before you answer, consider this: 1) The recruits were sitting there, trying to decide. They were jockeying to make each other squad leader as strategic moves (some of the only good strategy I've seen in this game). Suddenly, they all pick Yaney, BUT THEY HAD A VOICEOVER TO TELL US THAT!!! They didn't show it as part of the conversation. My drift? A producer steps up, says "Go with Yaney." and they do. 2) The DI's are stunned that Yaney is picked. Or so they tell us. Scripting by the producers? 3) Yaney leads his mission successfully. Actually, he did a DAMN good job of it. He has his 15 minutes of fame. He's a success. The lost rope? I've written in another thread that there should have been NO WAY they left the site without all the gear, so this looks a bit set up to me. 4) Next episode, Yaney is crying about the PT, especially the extra PT. Hell, if he hasn't figured out that he can hack it by now, he's never going to. What happened to those leadership qualities he showed at his mission?!?! Good grief! 5) Yaney's usefulness was ended, so the producers had him pulled out. He wasn't an alliance gameplayer, and his quirky vote might throw a wrench in the producers' works. He wasn't one of the most physically fit and able to run the Gauntlet. So he's asked out by Coddleton because the producers told her to take him with her. *** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged Save the drama for yo mama and GET IN THE DIRT AND FLIRT, RECRUIT BLUSAVANA!!!!
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05-01-01, 06:32 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: Anyone doubting Yaney now???? ***RAISING HAND***" |
Well written, Sdawg, sir!! *gets in the dirt and commences to flirt* BluHaHa
Stop eye-balling me Recruit Lemon!
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tonedef 68 desperate attention whore postings
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05-02-01, 08:36 AM (EST)
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19. "I can't believe..." |
The amount of people who are calling this show fixed. I don't see anything throughout the entire course of the show to make me believe that. We only see 4 days worth of footage each week, and almost all of these 'problems' that are popping up can be explained with logic.Lauder taking Hutak instead of Jackson? Lauder told the ladies he would vote with them...the ladies most likely told him they were going for Jackson. (There is no other reason for him to have voted for Jackson.) When he learned he was betrayed by the Ladies, well, he just had to take one of them with him. Coddington taking Yanney? Folks, Yanney was at deaths door. You saw his speech about how spent he was, about how glad he was about how far he had gotten. Coddington was the closest of all of them to him, and she most likely knew how bad off he was. It was a mercy vote, nothing more. Why did Yanney become squad leader? It was all a part of strategy...the people expecting to be there for the long haul didn't want their chance at immunity to come up this early. Jackson definitely said this during this selection process. They choose Yanney as a safe caption. It had nothing to do with producers! Those are the common symptoms brought up in association with producer involvement, is there any others out there? I just don't think there is any involvement from those running the show...nothing concrete.
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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings
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05-02-01, 12:25 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: I can't believe..." |
Okay, tonedef, let me try to convince you, although I will say right off the bat: If you take them at their word, and believe what you see, then probably nobody is going to convince you. I, however, am sceptical and have not taken anything for granted. My observations lead me to conclude the game is fixed, to wit: 1) They have consistently kept the number of males and females even. This SHOULD NOT OCCUR if the alliances they keep showing us were actually in effect! The first week, Park was waxed. The alliance consisting of the women, Thomson, and Meyer should have been strong. Wolf, Jackson, and Moretti should have been goners for sure. They have not been taken out, even when opportunities were available. My conclusion: Manipulation by the producers. You can argue that this naturally happened, but don't waste the bandwith, I won't buy it. 2) Meyer being voted out. I have discussed earlier why there are some problems with this (he was there when Wolf talked to several women). Wolf should have been gone, he could not have retaliated due to Thomson's medical discharge. Wolf almost collapsed with relief when the DI said it wasn't him. There was no reason in the world for the women (again dominant with Meyer's vote) to vote for Meyer and not Wolf, EXCEPT to keep a stronger character in the game (Wolf), instead of a maverick that might upset the voting order (Meyer). My conclusion: Producers helped the women decide. If they were TRULY playing the game, the women should and would go ahead and take out Wolf without repercussion. 3) All the weak persons gone. This probably is occurring naturally, especially with Haar and Pupo, but Lauder was a bit of a loop. He'd been VERY helpful on several missions (Moretti's mission probably fails without him), and he was hacking it, although he was struggling. But he was in an alliance with the women. Can't have that disruption of the male/female balance, remember? The unanimity(sp?) in which Lauder was dismissed (it shouldn't have been if alliances and gameplaying were truly allowed to happen) should be enough proof to conclude that the producers had a hand in Lauder's selection. My conclusion: Some natural selection, some assistance by producers. 4) Lauder taking Hutak. Once Lauder was voted out, the selection of Hutak was an absolute shocker, UNLESS THE GAME IS FIXED. I agree that Lauder voted for Jackson because he THOUGHT he was voting with the women in an alliance. Lauder still showed a liking for Wolf in his farewell speech, so why not take Recruit Brown as suggested? Lauder said he didnt' like pushy women, but there were SEVERAL pushy women to choose from. Conclusion: Hutak privately asked the producers to let her leave so she could go to real boot camp, or else the producers didn't trust her in future votings. 5) Coddington taking Yaney. This is the ultimate proof for me. While Coddington's dismissal isn't too big a surprise, Yaney's dismissal should have been a huge red flag (balloon) waving in your face!!! I've heard the arguments that Coddington taking Yaney was a mercy move. I DON'T BUY IT. At the beginning of the episode, Coddington is talking about waxing WOLF. So why doesn't she when she has the opportunity??? Coddington might have wanted revenge against the women who betrayed her... so take one of THEM! I also point out again that Coddington's farewell speech is (badly) spliced together and appears to be (poorly) edited. Very very suspicious. Conclusion: Coddington was invited by the producers to wax Yaney. 6) Yaney as squad leader. I posted on another thread extensively about this, and about the way the editing went at the time of the "decision", and the subsequent details of the episode, so I won't repeat all that here. In closing, none of this constitutes "concrete" evidence, but merely observation and deduction. If your conclusion differs from mine, that's fine and so be it. *** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged RECRUIT LEMON!! SAVE THE DRAMA FOR YO MAMA, AND PUSH!!!
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tonedef 68 desperate attention whore postings
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05-02-01, 12:44 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: I can't believe..." |
No problem, I like the debates...keeps the blood flowing through these slow work days!I do agree that there were a number of suspicious looking moves, and, combining all of these moves do raise more than a few eyebrows as to whether or not someone is pulling the strings behind the players. But I must mention that the biggest goal of the producers of the show is to keep us in suspense for the final votes...to make it either a complete surprise to the regular viewer. The problem is that they are going too far with this editing. In Survivor, at least, you could see why some people were voted out. They at least built up to it...here, they are completely editing out the reasoning behind the votes. Mental jumps of logic have to be made in order to figure out why they were ejected. There is logic behind each ejection, however, though no real proof can be sited. Hutak and Lauder had some problems during their mission that week...if Lauder was to choose a woman, I can see him choosing her, just because of how they antagonized themselves. If this was scripted, don't you think they would have kept Meyer around? He was the best thing to happen to this show. He made it interesting. His ejection showed the paranoia of the women, because they feared him aligning with the guys. And yes, he was there when Wolf was talking to the women....they had just left the dock where they had had their little discussion. A fault with Meyers plan was not letting the women know that he was NOT aligning with Wolf. As for Coddington...that is a hard one to decipher. I do chalk that up to innapropriate editing, trying for too much of a shock value, when, really, they should have at least dropped a couple more hints (aside from his...oh, i'm so aching, boo hoo hoo speech). Feedback appreciated! I do believe, however, that these shocker votes and non-understandable ejections stem for poor editing, and not from producer involvement.
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05-02-01, 06:30 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: I can't believe..." |
No problem if we agree to disagree...>If this was scripted, don't you think they would have kept
>Meyer around? He was the best thing to happen to this show. He
>made it interesting. No I don't see them keeping Meyer around for longer than they did BECAUSE he was such a wildcard. They (the producers) really needed to break up that female alliance before all the men were voted off. To that end, they had them vote off guys who weren't playing the "correct" way. In another post, I even ventured to suggest that Thomson's medical discharge was rigged, that they were getting rid of him. Perhaps he refused to go along with the producers (can you say "Stacey" from Survivor I and her lawsuit?) Coddington's vote wasn't so much of a surprise. Her taking Yaney defies all but the most cynical suggestion, however. I agree that the editing is very badly done. *** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged "I've never been bored a day in my life. Only boring people get bored." -- Jerri Manthey
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tonedef 68 desperate attention whore postings
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05-02-01, 10:14 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: I can't believe..." |
Thomsons medical discharge was rigged? An interesting concept, breaking up the women+meyer and thomson vote, but what do you think the goal of the producers were at that point? I can't see them really interfering so early (if they did at at)....even if they had decided to keep that alliance alive, there is a very good chance that Moretti and Wolf and Jackson would have taken women with them. It would have even led to a more interesting final....I mean, Meyer was, by far, the most appealing of all of them!Tonight, however, I am at a bit of a loss as to why Jackson took Brown with him. She was the leader of the women, I suppose, though I think that Moretti was starting to take that roll. Was she the most physical of the women? Thus, the greatest risk of the women? I don't know...2 weeks in a row now, the dismissed recruit has discharged 'the person they got along with best' at boot camp. But what is the producers scheme, really? What was their goal for the final 2, if their involvement is so strong? I don't know what it would really be, actually...if working from so early in the show, they would have to have a general direction. Did they really want Jackson/Wolf/Moretti, 3 people who swore to work with eachother, together as 3 of the final 6? Leave a message after the tone
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05-03-01, 06:34 AM (EST)
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24. "RE: I can't believe..." |
Producers scheme, goals, etc:
1) Keep the genders even, for reasons of both gameplaying drama and political correctness.
2) Keep the best in the game for the Gauntlet.
3) Destroy alliances that might threaten Nos 1 & 2.>Thomsons medical discharge was rigged? An interesting concept,
>breaking up the women+meyer and thomson vote, but what do you
>think the goal of the producers were at that point? I can't see >them really interfering so early (if they did at at).... The goal at that point was the same as it has been throughout the show. If the alliances (either one) had worked, then we either would have had the women (Brown, Coddington, Hutak, etc.), Thomson, Meyer and Yaney, OR they'd have Wolf, Jackson, Moretti, Moretty, and Whitlow. Alliance 1 above makes for more "human drama", more gameplaying, but also more mission failures, and a bunch of people who hate to be "bossed around." Alliance 2 above would be a great military team, but the gameplaying and "human drama" would be far less. So the plan: Keep the genders even. Keep the gameplaying going, but not at the expense of the military aspect of the show. Thomson and Meyer badly threatened this plan. Five women, Meyer and Thomson would have been and SHOULD have been a devastating alliance that Survivor I winner Richard Hatch would've been jealous of. But it didn't happen that way. Well, we've about beaten this poor horse to death. Another week, another bogus take-out... *** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged "I've never been bored a day in my life. Only boring people get bored." -- Jerri Manthey
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05-03-01, 12:34 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: I can't believe..." |
I'm with you, tonedef. I don't see nearly enough evidence to convince me of any kind of behind-the-scenes plotting by the producers. Why would they take such risks? It's a HUGE financial and PR risk to fix a game show. It's a federal offense, literally!Beyond that, it makes no sense. Any of the outcomes would be interesting (all male, all female, a mix). And you're right--Meyers was the most fun to watch, with Yaney second, and they're BOTH gone. This show just shows how unpredictable people can be--it's human nature at its most fascinating. The strategies constantly change because the game situation constantly changes. You can't expect these people to act logically. I remember when Survivor debuted. People thought the players would be logical in their boot order, first getting rid of the old people, then the guys taking out the girls, leaving the young guys to battle it out. Did that happen? Not on either show. On Boot Camp, the all-female alliance self-destructed on its own, with resentment against Coddington, now backstabbing with Whitlow and Brown. Just because they room together, that doesn't mean they trust each other more than they do the men. That was true only in the beginning, when the game seemed to hinge more on physical effort. Now they know each other better, and concern has shifted to trust issues. The all-male alliance has also quite clearly self-destructed--all three of the men voted differently, and only against each other, not the women. As the game nears its end, the situation changes drastically. They can almost smell the money. They realize they are their own stiffest competition if they make it to the gauntlet. What guy wouldn't want to go into the gauntlet against a woman, instead of each other? It wouldn't be worth the producers' time or energy to try to fix the show. Why bother? Why take the risk of such a scandal? Their interference could easily make things LESS interesting. They can't predict how people will behave with each other as the game goes on any better than we can. Human dynamics aren't that cut and dried.
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