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"Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
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RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
Puffy |
10-15-07 |
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RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
aggiesmom |
10-28-07 |
2 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
blacknwhitedog |
11-01-07 |
3 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
eire_heart74 |
11-16-08 |
26 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
blacknwhitedog |
11-08-07 |
4 |
Probably Not Season 2 |
samboohoo |
05-21-08 |
5 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
Magnolia_Rocker |
05-22-08 |
6 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
samboohoo |
05-22-08 |
7 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
Puffy |
05-29-08 |
8 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
samboohoo |
05-30-08 |
9 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
Magnolia_Rocker |
06-04-08 |
10 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
Debmarie |
05-03-09 |
118 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
blacknwhitedog |
06-04-08 |
11 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
rosekiki3 |
06-18-08 |
12 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
LostAddict |
06-19-08 |
13 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
WaterBottle |
06-19-08 |
14 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
samboohoo |
06-19-08 |
15 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
MollyTV |
06-30-08 |
16 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
TxMom2011 |
07-07-08 |
17 |
Very mixed feelings about this show |
carriem |
11-04-08 |
18 |
Alexis |
carriem |
11-05-08 |
19 |
Season 3 |
blacknwhitedog |
11-06-08 |
20 |
RE: Season 3 |
carriem |
11-06-08 |
21 |
RE: Season 3 |
AyaK |
11-06-08 |
22 |
RE: Season 3 |
carriem |
11-07-08 |
23 |
RE: Season 3 |
eire_heart74 |
11-10-08 |
24 |
RE: Season 3 |
eire_heart74 |
11-16-08 |
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Glad they had the wedding.Enough of... |
carriem |
11-18-08 |
27 |
RE: Glad they had the wedding.Enoug... |
eire_heart74 |
11-18-08 |
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RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
mrc |
11-20-08 |
29 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
carriem |
11-20-08 |
30 |
fav "line" recently |
MollyTV |
12-02-08 |
31 |
RE: fav "line" recently |
eire_heart74 |
12-02-08 |
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RE: fav "line" recently |
carriem |
12-02-08 |
33 |
RE: fav "line" recently |
MPVLOST |
12-02-08 |
34 |
Jodi herself blogged about it |
carriem |
12-02-08 |
35 |
RE: Jodi herself blogged about it |
eire_heart74 |
12-02-08 |
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Twins play Mommy |
MPVLOST |
12-09-08 |
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RE: Twins play Mommy |
carriem |
12-09-08 |
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RE: Twins play Mommy |
eire_heart74 |
12-10-08 |
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RE: Jodi herself blogged about it |
Debmarie |
05-03-09 |
119 |
RE: fav "line" recently |
mtopaz |
01-07-09 |
51 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
true |
12-11-08 |
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RE: It's not really about being per... |
carriem |
12-15-08 |
41 |
RE: It's not really about being per... |
eire_heart74 |
12-16-08 |
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RE: It's the dishonesty that gets t... |
carriem |
12-16-08 |
43 |
RE: It's the dishonesty that gets t... |
eire_heart74 |
12-16-08 |
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RE: I forgot about Ronald MacDonald... |
carriem |
12-17-08 |
45 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
eire_heart74 |
01-06-09 |
46 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
MollyTV |
01-07-09 |
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RE: The problem with free mansions.... |
carriem |
01-07-09 |
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RE: The problem with free mansions.... |
eire_heart74 |
01-07-09 |
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RE: Mady at 17! |
carriem |
01-07-09 |
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RE: The problem with free mansions.... |
carriem |
01-22-09 |
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RE: The problem with free mansions.... |
MollyTV |
01-23-09 |
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RE: money corrupts,sometimes |
carriem |
01-23-09 |
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RE: money corrupts,sometimes |
MollyTV |
01-23-09 |
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RE: money corrupts,sometimes |
MPVLOST |
01-23-09 |
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RE: money corrupts,sometimes |
MollyTV |
01-24-09 |
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RE: money corrupts,sometimes |
eire_heart74 |
01-26-09 |
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MJ75 |
01-28-09 |
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RE: money corrupts,sometimes |
carriem |
01-29-09 |
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true |
01-31-09 |
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day care for 6 |
teacherkelly |
01-31-09 |
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RE: money corrupts,sometimes |
mtopaz |
02-03-09 |
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RE: money corrupts,sometimes |
true |
02-04-09 |
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RE: money corrupts,sometimes |
mtopaz |
02-04-09 |
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RE: money corrupts,sometimes |
true |
02-04-09 |
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mtopaz |
02-03-09 |
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true |
02-04-09 |
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mtopaz |
02-04-09 |
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true |
02-04-09 |
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mtopaz |
02-04-09 |
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RE: The problem with free mansions.... |
Debmarie |
05-03-09 |
120 |
RE: The problem with free mansions.... |
mtopaz |
02-03-09 |
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RE: The problem with free mansions.... |
MPVLOST |
02-03-09 |
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RE: The problem with free mansions.... |
true |
02-04-09 |
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RE: The problem with free mansions.... |
mtopaz |
02-04-09 |
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RE: The problem with free mansions.... |
true |
02-04-09 |
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mtopaz |
02-04-09 |
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in the woods |
MollyTV |
02-13-09 |
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RE: in the woods |
MollyTV |
02-25-09 |
79 |
Kate |
blacknwhitedog |
02-25-09 |
80 |
RE: Kate |
mtopaz |
02-26-09 |
81 |
RE: Kate |
blacknwhitedog |
02-26-09 |
82 |
RE: Kate |
mtopaz |
02-26-09 |
83 |
RE: Kate |
carriem |
02-26-09 |
84 |
RE: Kate |
blacknwhitedog |
02-27-09 |
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RE: Kate |
teacherkelly |
02-27-09 |
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RE: Kate |
Debmarie |
05-03-09 |
121 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
eire_heart74 |
03-03-09 |
87 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
MollyTV |
03-06-09 |
88 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
teacherkelly |
03-07-09 |
89 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
JessicaRN |
03-07-09 |
90 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
eire_heart74 |
03-09-09 |
92 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
mtopaz |
03-08-09 |
91 |
People Magazine |
blacknwhitedog |
03-13-09 |
93 |
RE: People Magazine |
mtopaz |
03-14-09 |
94 |
RE: People Magazine |
eire_heart74 |
03-16-09 |
95 |
RE: People Magazine |
MollyTV |
03-17-09 |
96 |
season finale 3/23 |
blacknwhitedog |
03-19-09 |
97 |
RE: season finale 3/23 |
mtopaz |
03-19-09 |
98 |
RE: season finale 3/23 |
eire_heart74 |
03-24-09 |
99 |
Two part season finale |
mtopaz |
03-24-09 |
100 |
RE: Two part season finale |
ARnutz |
03-24-09 |
101 |
RE: Two part season finale |
MollyTV |
03-25-09 |
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RE: Two part season finale |
ARnutz |
03-25-09 |
103 |
RE: Two part season finale |
MollyTV |
03-25-09 |
104 |
RE: Two part season finale |
eire_heart74 |
03-25-09 |
105 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
ARnutz |
03-26-09 |
106 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
nazpink |
03-26-09 |
107 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
MollyTV |
03-27-09 |
108 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
HobbsofMI |
03-27-09 |
109 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
lorimar3 |
04-01-09 |
110 |
TV mom, author Kate Gosselin goes s... |
HobbsofMI |
04-25-09 |
111 |
RE: TV mom, author Kate Gosselin go... |
mtopaz |
04-26-09 |
112 |
i give them a year |
MollyTV |
04-29-09 |
113 |
Jon steppin' out? |
mrc |
04-29-09 |
114 |
RE: Jon steppin' out? |
mtopaz |
05-01-09 |
115 |
RE: Jon steppin' out? |
eire_heart74 |
05-01-09 |
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RE: Jon steppin' out? |
mtopaz |
05-02-09 |
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RE: Jon steppin' out? |
JessicaRN |
05-03-09 |
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Jon & Kate Dad's Three-Month Affair... |
HobbsofMI |
05-06-09 |
123 |
RE: Jon & Kate Dad's Three-Month Af... |
mtopaz |
05-08-09 |
124 |
RE: Jon & Kate Dad's Three-Month Af... |
ARnutz |
05-08-09 |
125 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
anotherkim |
05-08-09 |
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JessicaRN |
05-08-09 |
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RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
anotherkim |
05-08-09 |
129 |
RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 |
ARnutz |
05-08-09 |
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Jon & Kate Bang 8 |
AyaK |
05-13-09 |
130 |
RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8 |
JessicaRN |
05-13-09 |
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RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8 |
mtopaz |
05-13-09 |
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RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8 |
Dizwiz |
05-14-09 |
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RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8 |
mtopaz |
05-14-09 |
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RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8 |
AyaK |
05-15-09 |
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RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8 |
blacknwhitedog |
05-15-09 |
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RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8 |
mtopaz |
05-15-09 |
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RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8 |
mtopaz |
05-15-09 |
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People |
blacknwhitedog |
05-15-09 |
139 |
RE: People |
MollyTV |
05-19-09 |
140 |
RE: People |
AyaK |
05-19-09 |
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RE: People |
mtopaz |
05-19-09 |
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More Kate antics |
AyaK |
05-21-09 |
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RE: More Kate antics |
JessicaRN |
05-21-09 |
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PR battle |
AyaK |
05-24-09 |
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Opening Day |
HobbsofMI |
05-26-09 |
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Snidget |
05-26-09 |
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RE: Opening Day |
nazpink |
05-26-09 |
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RE: Opening Day |
mindy23 |
05-26-09 |
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If she's so worried about the kids ... |
eire_heart74 |
05-26-09 |
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RE: If she's so worried about the k... |
AyaK |
05-26-09 |
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Ratings |
Snidget |
05-26-09 |
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Season 5 premiere |
blacknwhitedog |
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nkailihiwa |
05-26-09 |
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RE: Season 5 premiere |
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samboohoo |
05-27-09 |
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blacknwhitedog |
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zombiebaby |
05-27-09 |
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samboohoo |
05-27-09 |
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pinata |
blacknwhitedog |
05-27-09 |
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cipher5150 |
05-27-09 |
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samboohoo |
05-27-09 |
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Snidget |
05-27-09 |
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What Happened to |
samboohoo |
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HobbsofMI |
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Sister in law and brother Jodi and ... |
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Puffy 6571 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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10-15-07, 09:59 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2" |
I don't get the Discovery Health channel, but TLC is promoting it on TLC locally, too. ©Surfkitten siggie shop, 2007
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10-28-07, 08:30 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2" |
LOVE LOVE LOVE THE SHOW, but, does any one know why the parents of Jon and Kate are not involved? Kate at one point said that their parents were not involved in their daily lives? Just curious
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blacknwhitedog 6528 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-08-07, 12:11 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2" |
The show is now on TLC instead of Discovery Healththey had a product placement the other night- the Playskool Rose Petal Cottage- it was so cute I think my DD would love it! Syren 2007
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Puffy 6571 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-29-08, 08:12 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2" |
I caught up with all the shows during the Memorial Day marathon. I don't like how Kate treats Jon; like he's one of the kids or worse. She has her quirks, too. However, I love love love the show! I think Maddy has some serious issues, too.
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WaterBottle 5 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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14. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2" |
I flat out love this show! I must admit, i couldn't stand Kate at the beginning, but then she really grew on me, it totally agree with the organization thing. I watched last night the early early episodes, and john and Kate were showing videos of their wedding, and honeymoon. Then came the pregnancies, and oh my gosh did that poor women get big, they even had to put Vaseline on her, because he skin was stretching too fast! Just watching them makes me want to have a big family..but not in Multiples, lol
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TxMom2011 188 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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07-07-08, 12:46 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2" |
Whats your name ?? Daddy'ss sson.... ssooooo cute!
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carriem 91 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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11-04-08, 05:00 PM (EST)
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18. "Very mixed feelings about this show" |
The kids are darling but Kate is obnoxious.I would also love to reach thru the screen and smack Mady and I am not a violent person.Somehow this show has become about fabulous(free)vacations and watching Jon and Kate argue and get plastic surgery.I fast forward to scenes where the little kids are talking.
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carriem 91 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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11-05-08, 10:41 AM (EST)
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19. "Alexis" |
Alexis is the prettiest of the kids.I know that's politically incorrect to say but there you go.
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blacknwhitedog 6528 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-06-08, 03:55 PM (EST)
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20. "Season 3" |
Man they are getting a lot of freebies now! First the trip to the beach house, now the trip to Hawaii to renew vows and a tie in with the show "Say Yes to the Dress". When's Kate going to be on "What not to wear"? They certainly have the TLC monopoly!The sextuplets sure are fun at age 4 now- Maddie is more and more annoying now- poor kid. Syren 2007
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carriem 91 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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11-06-08, 05:18 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: Season 3" |
I agree!The kids are so cute and funny.I'd love the show to focus on them.Enough of Kate and Kate plus Kate.And it has turned into a source of cash and fabulous prizes.Mady is horrible but more and more I can see where she gets it.
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AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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11-06-08, 08:54 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: Season 3" |
There's only so much you can do within the confines of day-to-day life that's interesting, especially with the sextuplets now being 4. Trips are a way to break the routine and create drama.
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carriem 91 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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23. "RE: Season 3" |
That's the reason why they film them on trips I'm sure, but my complaints are the fact that they don't focus enough on the kids and I am sick of hearing Kate brag about all the freebies.I think it's great that the little kids are going to pre-school.I hope they film them there.
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25. "RE: Season 3" |
.I think it's great that >the little kids are going >to pre-school.I hope they film >them there. I think it's great they are going to school. Let them learn how to get along with other kids and maybe an outside source can take care of that hitting/kicking thing they are always doing with each other. Cause clearly being sent to time out and being made to hug each other isn't doing it. I doubt we'll see much footage of school. Most schools now have to ask for "picture permission" just to take a pic of the class or on a trip. (for safety reasons) I really doubt TLC would go through the hassle of trying to coax all the parents to allow them that. The school is over an hour away and they only go half day. So she drops them off, drives home, sits for a minute and then drives back? Odd but I guess free day care, who's going to say no to that.
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carriem 91 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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27. "Glad they had the wedding.Enough of that already!" |
I have never seen a bigger deal made out of a renewel.The event itself was actually pretty casual but TLC carried on forever about it.Did anyone notice how rude Alexis was last night to Jenny?She threw her snack and tried to hit her when she spoke to her.
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carriem 91 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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30. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2" |
I have seen the "Gosselins Without Pity" web-site.There is alot of good critique of the show on it.I think people are catching on to what this show has degenerated into.I was shocked to learn that they have a private organic chef and round the clock help.I don't hate the Gosselins personally but the show has become dishonest.It used to be about surviving sextuplets and twins and it is now about being reality show stars.I also question if it is really in the best interest of the kids to live their whole lives on tv.
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31. "fav "line" recently" |
"don't call me buddy, my names leah".....that was too cute....i guess because jon calls the boys hey buddy all the time they are just repeating what they hear. i am also always annoyed at mady "acting out"...that just seems her way of getting attention in a mass of little people. except she gets negative attention and always ruins her own time. seems kate has caught on and removes mady from the situation so it won't spoil everyone else's good time. smart move. does anyone here know if its true about kate having a falling out with both her sis in law "aunt jody" and now her best friend "beth" who co-wrote the book with her. i noticed except for showing beths name on the book kate didn't mention beth's part in the book. i would love to have a bus like that to cart me around new york. i think all the fun things they do are "given" to them ...like the girls pedicures etc...and i would take full advantage if given the opportunity myself. mollytv
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carriem 91 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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33. "RE: fav "line" recently" |
My fave line was when Kate said "I don't understand why they don't just interview us"(meaning her and Jon).She just does not get that the popularity of the show is because of the kids.She really thinks she is on Kate and Kate plus Kate.
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34. "RE: fav "line" recently" |
This is what I've heard from reading various sites/blogs about the subject.During season 2, Kate was approached by the production staff about having Jodi/Beth/Others paid for being on the show. Kate basically said, no chance in hell, saying she didn't want anyone else making money off their family. Jodi/Beth/others never heard about this, they continued to watch the kids whenever needed simply because they were family/friends. Fast forward to sometime this past spring. This time the production staff decided to go straight to Jodi about being paid for being on the show. Somehow Kate got wind of this and pretty much cut Jodi out of their lives because she doesn't want anyone else making money off their family. Beth was more or less cut out too after she heard about the whole thing and Kate refusing to let them be paid. I don't know how much of that is true or how accurate that is, that's just what I've heard from reading stuff online.
There's various blogs out there being written by other family members/former friends that go into more detail.
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12-02-08, 11:52 AM (EST)
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35. "Jodi herself blogged about it" |
The story about Jodi is true according to her own blog which she has since taken down.Kate does not seem to care that every time she cuts someone out of the kids lives they suffer a loss.The circle of family and friends they can count on is shrinking to be replaced by material things.Not exactly a healthy pattern!
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12-09-08, 11:37 AM (EST)
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37. "Twins play Mommy " |
Wow, that episode was a train wreck. They had the twins pretend to be mommy while Kate was "busy" with some other project involving putting away summer clothes and getting out winter clothes. Mostly it was just a lot of screaming and yelling. ----------------------------------------- Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations?
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carriem 91 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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12-09-08, 12:47 PM (EST)
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38. "RE: Twins play Mommy " |
It should have been called "Making the twins baby-sit" because that's what it was.Both Jon and Kate got really angry when the twins found it to hard to handle.Also,when are we giving up the bibs and high-chairs?The sextuplets are pushing five!
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05-03-09, 09:11 AM (EST)
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119. "RE: Jodi herself blogged about it" |
where is Jodis blog?
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01-07-09, 04:59 PM (EST)
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51. "RE: fav "line" recently" |
I wondered where Aunt Jody and Beth went in recent episodes. It would be sad indeed if Kate and Jody had a real lasting falling out. I think Jody is pretty much a saint for watching anywhere from five to 8 kids on top of her own, on numerous occasions. Didn't she say on one show that she took the kids one day a week, to give Kate a break? That's heroic in my book, and it would be a shame if Kate didn't appreciate that. I like this show, but prefer the earlier episodes to the more recent ones. It seems more and more posed these days. I don't blame them for taking the trips that are offered -- I too would love to be offered a free week at a home in Colorado, and ski passes, etc. Or a free trip to Disneyworld, even if I had to drive my kids there. But the most painful episodes are when they "give back," like the one where they did some sort of rummage sale at their church and Kate was already freaking out even before it started. If you are going to do a sale to raise money for children with cancer, try not to be so crabby about it, okay? And then when they delivered toys to the hospital, and visited with the sick kids. That was a good thing to do, but if I heard Kate say one more time, "It's better to give than to receive" I was going to scream. Yes, yes, yes, I get it! It's got to be hard for the older girls especially, to be raised in the limelight, yet constantly being upstaged by six cute younger siblings. Cara seems to handle it well; but Mady is just too much sometimes. I think she gets away with more than she should, but being a parent, I also know that it's hard to truly judge from the outside. So I try to give both Mady and her parents the benefit of the doubt. Maybe with a few more years of maturity, she'll really come into her own and show a more appealing side. When I like the show best is when they really are doing the everyday things that families do - camping in the backyard, playing with play-do, getting excited because Daddy is cooking a traditional Korean dinner, etc. I think after another season, it should be time for the show to end and let the whole family live a more normal life (but will they want to?) Designed by Agman, siggy maker to the gemstones
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carriem 91 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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12-15-08, 04:16 PM (EST)
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41. "RE: It's not really about being perfect." |
It's more about showing basic decency and respect to other human beings.For instance:Jodi,Beth and all the other people Kate has used and then disregarded.Also,there is a big difference between (gratefully)accepting the occasional freebie and making a living off your kids.The Gosselins were a much more normal down to earth family when this show started.I think maybe they changed when they(esp.Kate)started to believe their own hype.
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carriem 91 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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12-16-08, 02:02 PM (EST)
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43. "RE: It's the dishonesty that gets to me." |
This is an example of the typical dishonesty of the show.The Gosselins did not give anything.Since they traveled for the show their expenses were covered including hotels,meals etc,and they were also paid per their contracts.And because K-mart sponsors the show they did not have to pay for any of the toys.All that came out of pocket was the dollar they gave each child to contribute.Wow!10 dollars from a family that has received more than any person could ever need.And a camera crew to document how good they are to do this.I suppose staying at home and giving to a community that has lavished generosity on them was too dull.
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carriem 91 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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12-17-08, 11:45 AM (EST)
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45. "RE: I forgot about Ronald MacDonald House!" |
Why didn't she just give there?Should have been so obvious.
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carriem 91 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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01-07-09, 08:50 AM (EST)
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48. "RE: The problem with free mansions....." |
Jon and Kate's new house exceeds one million dollars in value and was paid for by their sponsors and their production company.Sponsors also bought the furniture in exchange for the free product placement on the show.This was a very short-sited move.Two major problems:1)How is this even close to being a show about what happens to a typical family when they give birth to 6 children at once?This premise has been nearly destroyed anyway with all the free trips but the free mansion will be the end for good.Will the public want to watch a show about how a rude spoiled snot and her bumbling idiot husband survive when they have twins and sextuplets,quit their jobs,cash in on lucrative endorsement deals and move in to their free mansion?Don't think so.2)When this show ends,how will Jon and Kate possibly afford the yearly property taxes and utility bills on this place?Even if they go back to work their salaries would not accomodate that lifestyle.
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01-07-09, 01:19 PM (EST)
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49. "RE: The problem with free mansions....." |
Will the public >want to watch a show >about how a rude spoiled >snot and her bumbling idiot >husband survive when they have >twins and sextuplets,quit their jobs,cash >in on lucrative endorsement deals >and move in to their >free mansion?Don't think so.It's getting harder and harder to relate to them as just typical parents. 2)When this >show ends,how will Jon and >Kate possibly afford the yearly >property taxes and utility bills >on this place?Even if they >go back to work their >salaries would not accomodate that >lifestyle.
A very good question. I often wonder what will happen to them when eventually TLC opts not to renew their series. The kids are cute now but I think they've kind of tapped the well dry now. Really how many more free trips can they take? I guess maybe a cruise would be next? And then what? They've lost a bit of that shine. Do were really want to see the six little ones at 13? Stuffed into their high chairs still with bibs? Or Mady at 17?
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carriem 91 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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01-07-09, 01:31 PM (EST)
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50. "RE: Mady at 17!" |
I am glad they will be forgotten by then.Can you imagine Mady as a surly teen?Kate will be paid back for her own rude attitude a million times over.And the sextuplets will not be out of bibs or able to speak without baby talk.
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carriem 91 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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01-22-09, 08:43 AM (EST)
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52. "RE: The problem with free mansions....." |
The next episode is where they are going to spring the mansion on us.I thought the ad with Kate looking out the window and saying "It's all mine as far as the eye can see" was hysterical.Things are really going to get interesting now.Oh well.I'm glad for the kids to have some space.
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carriem 91 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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01-23-09, 08:51 AM (EST)
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54. "RE: money corrupts,sometimes" |
The question and answer session was painfully awkward.Both the producers and Jon and Kate realized they have stepped in it.Viewers have identified that this show has crossed the line into exploitation and I think you are right-there will be nobody celebrating for the Gosselins when they see their free mansion.When the show started it had decent intentions but things have changed.Also,I don't actually beileve that those questions were all sent in by viewers.I think the producers wrote them to help spin the situation with the free mansion.
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MollyTV 480 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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01-23-09, 05:51 PM (EST)
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55. "RE: money corrupts,sometimes" |
totally agree,i have read many websites that state jon comes on and tries to "set the record straight" to all the people calling them out. so now the producers are trying to feed us the koolaid. we're too jaded for all that crap. i mean why else do we watch these reality shows...not because we want to see bunnies and rainbows. i at first liked the show...it was cute...kate yelling at jon. etc. but now i can't wait to see how long its going to take the people who don't read the blogs just how ridiculous their life has turned into. you would think they were billionaires....organic food(bought in bulk and ALWAYS on sale)...um...i guess if you don't have to buy anything else because the sponsors are handing it to you left and right you have leftover money to buy the good food that the rest of us poor chaps can't afford. the difference between them and the little people roloffs is that i can actually see matt working for a company...i can see him promoting his cause, i can see amy worrying about her kids. and their big new house...they built it. and i understand they get paid for their show...i get it...but somehow it is different and i can't put my finger on it yet. mollytv
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MPVLOST 169 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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01-23-09, 06:12 PM (EST)
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56. "RE: money corrupts,sometimes" |
The worst part of the whole Q&A episode was their answer to "will they buy cars for the kids?"They said, no they will get jobs and pay for their own. It's like J&K don't even realize that they're making money off their kids and the only reason they have enough money to buy a million dollar house is because of the kids. I predict a big lawsuit when the Tups turn 18 and want their money and the parents claim it's theirs(J&K).
This show has True Hollywood story or Made for tv movie written all over it. ----------------------------------------- Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations?
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01-28-09, 05:33 PM (EST)
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59. "RE: money corrupts,sometimes" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-28-09 AT 05:37 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 01-28-09 AT 05:34 PM (EST) Re: Roloffs seeming different from J&K (even though they both have the big house, money, etc.) I think it's because even though they have the show, they still work. Matt has the hotel stepping-stool company, they have the pumpkin farm in the fall, they host the corporate parties in the summer. They have other sources of income that will continue even when the show ends. They aren't just sitting home and watching the money roll in from the show. On the one hand, I can understand J&K liking the idea of being able to stay home and spend a lot of time with the kids and make all this money to secure their futures. But at the same time they need to realize that their popularity and bankability is not guaranteed to last. Then what?
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carriem 91 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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01-29-09, 10:55 AM (EST)
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60. "RE: money corrupts,sometimes" |
Right on about the Roloffs.They are a hard working family,esp. Matt.And they paid for the addition to their house,we know this because Matt and Amy fought alot over the loans and financing.Also,their kids seem to be having relatively normal lives and are allowed to see their extended family and have friends.Jon and Kate have taken their kids cuteness straight to the bank.They seem to think this will be a long-term career for them.Don't they know the tups are getting older every day?
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true 9689 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-04-09, 08:30 AM (EST)
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68. "RE: money corrupts,sometimes" |
It's not that they're UNABLE to work outside the home, they don't HAVE to. Big difference. I know if I didn't HAVE to, I wouldn't leave my 6 small children at home with one parent all day if I didn't HAVE to. In their situation, going to work would be like getting a break or going on vacation.
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mtopaz 2167 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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02-03-09, 04:13 PM (EST)
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64. "RE: The problem with free mansions....." |
cause i am sure when we all see the BIG mansion while all the rest of us are losing our jobs and or tightening the belts there is gonna be LOTS of resentment. so i hope they are ready for the backlash. mollytv that's exactly what I was thinking. I and everyone else I know is struggling right now, to make do with less. All expenses are rising, groceries, gas, utilities, health insurance, and some people are in homes that have lost so much value that they owe more than what remains on their mortgage. Then we see Jon and Kate, neither of whom work outside the home, moving into a huge mansion. And Kate is still complaining! I am sure most people are thinking she should just shut her yap and be grateful to have a roof over her head! And would someone please tell me what work Kate does around the house, besides clean a refridgerator with a q-tip for four fricken hours? It's like Jon is the manservant. Cinderfella. Designed by Agman, siggy maker to the gemstones
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true 9689 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-04-09, 02:04 PM (EST)
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73. "RE: The problem with free mansions....." |
I'm sorry you're so offended by how I perceived your comments on the topic. I don't see where I was sarcastic or nasty in my observations, but whatever back at ya. *insert eyeroll here*Comments that indicate resentment against people with nice houses, that don't have to leave the home to work, just seem, well, kinda bitter and jealous. I get the bashing of how Kate seemingly treats Jon, or that she is some kind of militant neat freak. What I don't get is all the petty bashing of how they get free stuff (yeah, like anybody would turn it down) and whining about how they should get regular jobs. In their position, I say soak the network for all you can get, because it won't last forever. I certainly don't pretend to be on some moral high ground stating that I'd turn it all down and get a REAL job, so I'll continue calling b.s. when I see it. Nothing personal.
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02-04-09, 03:00 PM (EST)
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76. "RE: The problem with free mansions....." |
LAST EDITED ON 02-04-09 AT 03:02 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 02-04-09 AT 03:00 PM (EST) You've described my comments as indicative of someone who is bitter, jealous and a whiner, yet seem surprised I took it personally. From this point forward, I hope we can disagree on this show and the behaviors exhibited by Kate without being disagreeable to one another personally. Designed by Agman, siggy maker to the gemstones
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02-03-09, 05:08 PM (EST)
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66. "RE: The problem with free mansions....." |
I think Kate is trying to keep the kids looking like babies, by having them in high chairs and bibs. Because once that cute factor goes away, the ratings are likely to drop off. Did anyone notice in last night's moving in episode, the fridge looked different than the one she spent 4 hours cleaning last week?
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true 9689 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-04-09, 08:35 AM (EST)
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69. "RE: The problem with free mansions....." |
Umm, so you're saying that cleaning up after ONE 4 year old is as easy as cleaning up after 6, plus 2 other kids? Uhhh, ok. I only have 2 kids, and the laundry is out of control. I crack up at the stuff getting criticized in this family. Clearly, people don't like Kate, but most of the complaints really come across as petty. I can bash with the best of them, but saying that 4 year olds aren't technically toddlers, and should be allowed to make whatever mess...well, seems a tad high and mighty, not to mention unrealistic.
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02-04-09, 12:27 PM (EST)
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70. "RE: The problem with free mansions....." |
LAST EDITED ON 02-04-09 AT 12:48 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 02-04-09 AT 12:36 PM (EST) True - you clearly are offended by my remarks, as you've seemed to single those out for responses. I did not say it was just as easy to clean up after one 4 year old as it is to clean up after 6. I merely pointed out that it's a bit unusual to have four year olds still sitting in high chairs and wearing bibs. I then shared my own personal experience in raising my own son. Kate's got some problems -- one huge problem is she freaks out when her kids get even slightly messy. It's so bad, she doesn't even let them play with Play Do in the house. When my son was in pre-school, I volunteered one morning a week in his classroom. There was a teacher, an assistant and sometimes a parent volunteer like myself. There were 11 or 12 three year olds in that classroom. (The normal daily ratio was one adult per 5 or 6 3-year olds) The children did not put on bibs at snack time or lunch time. They were allowed to use Play Do indoors. They did finger painting, although they did wear old men's shirts as smocks. The teacher was a calm and organized woman who loved children. The classroom noise level was not allowed to rise about a certain level. There was a sense of order, happy children playing, etc. My point being, that Kate has her built-in helper, Jon, and between them they were dealing with 6 three-year olds that day. (The twins were not present, probably at school) That's a ratio of one adult per three kids. It's a pretty decent ratio quite frankly. I grew up with 7 siblings. My mom had three children in diapers (back in the day when you didn't have disposables) at one point. She had five kids under the age of 8 at another. Never once did I see my mom behave like Kate, or treat my dad like a doormat. I used to like this show, and I felt sympathetic toward Kate and how she dealt with the needs of 8 children. But over time, she's become quite unlikeable to me. She seems cold-hearted and unwilling to accept that some of her behaviors are just plain wrong. I can't stand her anymore. Designed by Agman, siggy maker to the gemstones
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02-04-09, 02:29 PM (EST)
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75. "RE: The problem with free mansions....." |
>True - you clearly are offended >by my remarks, as you've >seemed to single those out >for responses. I've responded to others in this thread, but I responded to you in direct response to your response to me. I thought that was how these things went. *shrug* I did >not say it was just >as easy to clean up >after one 4 year old >as it is to clean >up after 6. I >merely pointed out that it's >a bit unusual to have >four year olds still sitting >in high chairs and wearing >bibs. I then shared >my own personal experience in >raising my own son. I thought you did. Your personal experience is no where near the same. 1 at a time does not equal 6. >Kate's got some problems -- one >huge problem is she freaks >out when her kids get >even slightly messy. It's >so bad, she doesn't even >let them play with Play >Do in the house. I am far from a neat freak, but I don't see what the big deal is about this. Ever try to get playdoh out of a carpet? > >When my son was in pre-school, >I volunteered one morning a >week in his classroom. >There was a teacher, an >assistant and sometimes a parent >volunteer like myself. There >were 11 or 12 three >year olds in that classroom. > (The normal daily ratio >was one adult per 5 >or 6 3-year olds) A couple of hours at a preschool is not the same as 24/7 at home! > >The children did not put on >bibs at snack time or >lunch time. They were >allowed to use Play Do >indoors. They did finger >painting, although they did wear >old men's shirts as smocks. *see above. Schools are designed for this stuff, the typical home is not set up like a daycare center. Bad comparison. Smock/Bib, really what's the difference? Clothes are expensive and protecting a 4 year olds clothing from stains doesn't seem all that crazy to me, especially when you multiply the laundry load x10.
>The teacher was a calm and >organized woman who loved children. > The classroom noise >level was not allowed to >rise about a certain level. >There was a sense of >order, happy children playing, etc.
And she probably runs to the nearest bar after work to slam tequlia shots. Just kidding, but really, it's not 24/7, and it's their JOB to behave that way. >My point being, that Kate has >her built-in helper, Jon, and >between them they were dealing >with 6 three-year olds that >day. (The twins were >not present, probably at school) >That's a ratio of one >adult per three kids. >It's a pretty decent ratio >quite frankly. Well, IMO, they are doing all right because if I were home 24/7 with 8 little kids I'd be pulling my hair out! > >I grew up with 7 siblings. > My mom had three >children in diapers (back in >the day when you didn't >have disposables) at one point. > She had five kids >under the age of 8 >at another. Never once >did I see my mom >behave like Kate, or treat >my dad like a doormat. Sounds like you had a great Mom! My husband grew up with 6 siblings and alcoholic parents. Not everyone is cut out to be a parent, and certainly it takes extraordinary people to be great parents to such large families. 3 in diapers? Yikes, but double that to 6, and perhaps your Mom might have been different. Who knows. > I used to like >this show, and I felt >sympathetic toward Kate and how >she dealt with the needs >of 8 children. But >over time, she's become quite >unlikeable to me. She >seems cold-hearted and unwilling to >accept that some of her >behaviors are just plain wrong. > I can't stand her >anymore. Well, that is obvious. I have only seen the show a few times, and while I find her a bit annoying, I find Jon equally annoying. In fact, I think he likes to push her buttons. Hey, that's what makes it interesting. If it was all lollipops and roses, I doubt anyone would be watching. They are DAWs after all.
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02-04-09, 03:15 PM (EST)
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77. "RE: The problem with free mansions....." |
>A couple of hours at a preschool is not the same as 24/7 at home! >I'm sorry I wasn't more clear. My son attended pre-school full time from the age of 3, as I worked full time outside the home. It was a full day for both the children and the teacher, five days a week. sorry if it sounded like it was merely a couple of hours. >And she probably runs to the nearest bar after work to slam tequlia shots. Just kidding, but really, it's not 24/7, and it's their JOB to behave that way. > Yes, teachers, especially those that deal with young children, should be people who have both the disposition and the training to behave calmly. I think before a person has infertility treatments, they should give serious thought to how prepared they are for multiple children at once. Can they handle it financially? How will they deal with three, four, five or maybe six little ones at once? What is their support system? If they HAD to do it alone, would that just make them absolutely miserable? I don't know, but it seems like those might be a good questions to ask oneself before embarking for the second time upon that path. >Sounds like you had a great Mom! My husband grew up with 6 siblings and alcoholic parents. Not everyone is cut out to be a parent, and certainly it takes extraordinary people to be great parents to such large families. 3 in diapers? Yikes, but double that to 6, and perhaps your Mom might have been different. Who knows. > I do have a great mom and a great dad. Their example is probably why I'm so dismayed by much of what I see on this show. I no longer think either Jon or Kate are good examples, but I give Jon props for at least interacting and letting the kids be kids sometimes. Designed by Agman, siggy maker to the gemstones
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02-13-09, 07:06 AM (EST)
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78. "in the woods" |
hey! i have to say...i laughed quite a few times this episode. man kate has those kids so scared of dirt and the outdoors...i loved when jon grabbed the stick and broke it...and the girls were all drama! like daddy is ripping the head off the kitty..loli wonder who will be the first to fall down the stairs? i know that sounds cruel but i mean those kids are mean and someone is gonna get pushed...and by the way...where has mady and cara been? and jon telling kate he took the kids on the tractor while the other kids hung around...lol...kate was freaking out....who is watching the kids? i guess she forgot about the camera man. could she get any farther away from jon on the couch? lol jon also made me laugh about the poor cat seeing 6 4yr olds with sticks in the door...thats a funny site. mollytv
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mtopaz 2167 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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02-26-09, 02:03 AM (EST)
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81. "RE: Kate" |
I'd like to think it was guilt, eating away at her until she can't stand it and takes some parenting classes, stops berating her husband like the Katezilla she is (TM Joel McHale), stops making her kids cry by being so self-centered and "it's all about me!", etc., etc. I was wondering the same thing - from her practically dozing off on the couch during a recent episode, to the increase in nastiness to Jon, mixed with the fact that they obviously don't like each other any more, makes me wonder if Kate's world is starting to crumble. I mean, she's apparently driven away every relative and friend who has been part of their lives -- it has to wear on a person to wake up in the night and realize -- "hey, I'm basically friendless and even my husband can't stand me anymore." Plus, I don't think she enjoys the little details that are involved in being a mom. She likes the idea of being a mom of multiples, but the actuality is so messy and tiring and kids so often just won't go along with her program and do inconvenient things like cry when you won't let them name their new puppies. Don't even get me started on how they sometimes get sick too! Designed by Agman, siggy maker to the gemstones
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blacknwhitedog 6528 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-26-09, 11:17 AM (EST)
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82. "RE: Kate" |
I can't believe neat freak Kate got TWO dogs!I was watching the orginal footage- surviving Twins and Sextuplets- I cannot believe how much she changed from then until now. There were way more people- family & friends- in their life then. Did anyone read her book (I did not) I wondered if she explained away anyone? Duggers and Roloffs are so much better! Syren 2007
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carriem 91 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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02-26-09, 03:52 PM (EST)
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84. "RE: Kate" |
Jon and Kate has become a joyless experience to watch.There is no resemblance now to the original shows.Everybody involved looks miserable.
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teacherkelly 179 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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02-27-09, 09:13 PM (EST)
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86. "RE: Kate" |
I only watch the show occasionally now and I used to not be able to miss it. I want less Jon and Kate.... and more kids. I like watching them interact with each other. I hate watching Kate and Jon's commentary at the end.
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eire_heart74 1231 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"
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03-03-09, 07:37 AM (EST)
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87. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2" |
Watching them return to the old house last night to give it the final clean out was continuing the crazy that is Kate. Her idea of decluttering. Throw everything out that was Jon's. Jon desperately trying to take apart the swing set because it was the last thing he had of his dad's that he gave them. That broke my heart. Because Kate has made sure to throw out everything else out! It struck me as "well that's a two or three man job to do that" But then I remembered, they have no one left that they talk to anymore. One of the little boys asking at the end "Are we moving back?" in a hopeful and confused little voice only to be barked at by his mom "No say Bye House!" He's four Kate! As much as you hated that house, that was his HOME!!! He saw nothing wrong with it. Enjoy the McMansion your children bought for you Kate. Hope it fills the hole in your heart where all you family you don't speak to should be. In 20 years, I'm waiting for the tell all book from one of these kids.
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teacherkelly 179 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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03-07-09, 10:56 AM (EST)
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89. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2" |
I have been thinking the exact same thing.... tell all book. If she is as uptight with the kids when they become teens, she will be lucky if they aren't the world's most rebellious teens. Even good kids rebel.
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mtopaz 2167 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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03-08-09, 01:44 AM (EST)
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91. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-08-09 AT 01:46 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 03-08-09 AT 01:44 AM (EST) I didn't watch the episode because I told myself not to add to their ratings But I was watching LPBW today, the two parter with Amy and the kids going to Michigan and then meeting up with Matt in Detroit for a little people convention. Great shows. There was one especially sweet moment, very understated, between Molly and her mom. They're at the tee-shirt store and Amy is writing down what the t-shirts should read. Molly is playing with Amy's hair as she stands behind her. It's just so telling of the sort of quiet affection you hope you and your kids can share. Then Jon & Kate came on and I stayed watching a bit longer. It was fun to see the kids running around the old house. But what is up with Kate? Is she going to a tanning bed, or getting spray tan? She is a very strange shade of orangy-tan -- isn't it winter time when this stuff is being filmed? And the constant tugging on her earring? Weird. I saw someone else commenting on how she plays more and more to the camera. It's not so much that the camera is quietly following and recording, it's like she is giving a tour of her life. I didn't stick around long enough to see the shrew emerge, although I'm sure it did. However, I realized in the few minutes I watched that Kate is boring. Bor to the ing! I hope the show fades away into the sunset, but would love to see a follow up show where she and Jon are forced to live like the rest of us, searching for jobs in today's marketplace, freaking out over their property taxes on the McMansion, and selling the tanning bed on eBay to help pay the massive utility bill they run up every month because Kate loves to do laundry 24/7. On a related note, Table for 12 looks promising -- would dearly love to see another show with tups give them a run for their money, especially if the husband and wife are mature adults who believe in respecting each other and their children. Now that would be something to see. Designed by Agman, siggy maker to the gemstones
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blacknwhitedog 6528 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-19-09, 08:57 AM (EST)
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97. "season finale 3/23" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-19-09 AT 08:59 AM (EST)season finale coming up next week Jon & Kate looking uncomfortable on the interview seat Kate saying we have some problems Jon saying we have some issues (or I have some issues)
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mtopaz 2167 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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03-24-09, 05:31 PM (EST)
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100. "Two part season finale " |
First thing I have to get off my chest is this:Kate, for pete's sake, lay off the spray tan!! You're in Pennsylvania in late winter and that bright orange sheen on your skin just looks weird. Sure, maybe celebrities like J-Lo get high falutin' spray tan year round, but you're supposed to be the embodiment of a harried mom of multiples, not some wanna be F-list celebrity, so ease off a bit before George Harrison sets up an intervention for you. Whew, okay, now that I have that out of the way ... on to the next pet peeve. Why does Kate insist on dressing her children in matching outfits, even the 8-year old twins? My mom is an identical twin, and she said that was something she and her sister both disliked. In their case, their mom listened to their protests and let them dress differently when they began grade school. Children should be allowed to be individuals. First for the Oprah show, and then for the Globetrotters, Kate made them wear matching outfits! She gave some odd reasoning like she didn't want them to looked striped (like her hair?), but I think the real reason is she wanted them to stand out as much as possible. She feeds off the attention. Another question I have -- why won't she let Hannah get her hair cut, when Hannah says that's what she wants? On the other hand, Cara doesn't want her hair cut, and Kate insists upon it. Is this just power for the sake of exercising power? Yet another question -- why did she pick out muted colors for the kids' art project? Why can't the children pick the colors they want, if that's supposedly their project? Answer - because Kate is going to hang them in the basement and just like their clothing, they have to "match." What kind of mom is more concerned with the decor of her basement than in letting her kids express themselves naturally? Finally, poor Jon looked like a dog who has been beaten last night. Apparently he went out drinking at some bar, some pictures were taken of him hanging out with college girls, and now he's crying about he can't be "just Jon" anymore. He looked absolutely miserable, sometimes on the verge of tears, and clearly doesn't want to continue with Season 5, but as usual, Kate basically tuned him out, talked over him, and said she loves her "job"! Ergo, the Kate has spoken, and the show will continue, and Jon will stay at home to care for the children, along with their non-nanny helper, because that's what Kate says he must do. If there weren't children involved, it might be slightly amusing to watch this as this train wreck of a marriage is derailed by Kate's enormous ego. Designed by Agman, siggy maker to the gemstones
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MollyTV 480 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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03-25-09, 07:01 AM (EST)
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104. "RE: Two part season finale " |
did someone else say this...what perfect names for the twins?mady : who is mad all the time cara : who seems to be the caring one? i agree about mady being mostly off camera last night...hmm. wonder if they asked her if she wanted to be filmed? and who knows ...mady may have said...NO... this show is so much more about what is NOT shown and the body cues...which was ear candy when kate had to bring up why the couch sucks and why they look like they are sitting as far apart from each other as possible...its the COUCH's fault! this tells me one thing...they read these blogs...maybe not this one specifically but most of them say the same things. and jon is a computer nerd like most husbands... oh and tell me allstate or whatever insurance company he was at the computer filling out paperwork with was not a paid advertisement....you can't just show any company on tv without their permission. so obvious. mollytv
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nazpink 1058 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"
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03-26-09, 09:39 PM (EST)
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107. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2" |
Don't personally know this family or it's members. What I do know comes via the television and as we all know "reality" shows are rarely reality after the editing process. With that said it does seem that this family very well may be accurately portrayed. After all, I can't see as to why Kate, the control freak, would allow such manipulation. Kate is right when she says that they can never go back to before...when there were no camaras. I think Jon realizes and knows that or maybe he doesn't. Assuming he does it then only seems logical to think that there are more reasons to him wanting the camaras ditched. After all, nasty rumors will be spread regardless of the show still running or not. If I was to take a "stab in the dark" I would say it's due to Kate's treatment of him. It seems to me that Kate, in an effort to show off, may be more rude to Jon when camaras are around. It's bad enough for an individual to have a spouse treat you the way Kate treats Jon...it's even more demeaning when it's done in the public eye. If Kate truly is about family then she needs to make a decision on what's best for the family rather than what's fun for her. Her husband wants the camaras gone and having the camaras pointed at her children (especially Mady) when they act out only reinforces that they get the attention in a negative way rather than by positive action. For the Gossselin family's sake the show needs to go. Even if the camaras dissappear Kate needs to ease up. I love that she has organization and structure. It's certainly admirable, especially with having twins and sextuplets. However, a lot of her ways are control for more her benefit than that of her family. I understand dressing the children in matching outfits when going out...it's easier to keep track of them. At home however let them be the individuals that they are. Kate appreciated how much her brother cared enough to say hi to each one of the children by their names rather than saying "hey kids" so why isn't she respecting their individuality herself? I was also bothered that she feels the need to control so much that the artwork of her children needs to match the basement! Who really cares! Being that they have a bigger family means that the children will have less chance of making personal choices, so when it's something small (like what color paint they will use) let them have it. Don't give something to your children if you aren't going to fully give it. Like the time they went to the Crayola Factory and were so limited. Hello! Cheap white t-shirts...then if they got anything on it then oh well....why bring them there in the first place?
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MollyTV 480 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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03-27-09, 07:06 AM (EST)
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108. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2" |
wow that was an amazing analysis....and so true...i feel sorry for both of them...they just need a good counselor...i think they started out on the same path and jon just needs to learn how to deal with kate.... mollytv
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lorimar3 3 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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04-01-09, 12:21 PM (EST)
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110. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2" |
Things have changed so much on this show. When we first met Jon & Kate they were living in the "real world" and now Kate is all about the fame. You used to see people in their lives like Aunt Jodi, Beth, Carla ect. Now it seems they have shut out everyone they ever knew that helped them get to where they are. They won't even let the new babysitter be on TV. I'm sure they think then the'd have to pay her more and that would be taking money away from their cash cow. It seems like she is getting so used to having everything given to them. They have moved twice in like 4 years, Jon has been able to quit his job, they go all around the country on free trips, not a care in the world. When do they do normal stuff like letting the twins have sleepovers? We never see any of J & K friends, family nothing. It's like they are in their own little world. Speaking of little world I have found that I love little people big world much more now. They are living in a much "realer" world than J & K. They show the kids doing what normal kids do with their friends and family. But they also show the struggles they have to. Yes they go on great trips and have a nice house too but they just seem like hard working good parents raising good kids.
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mrc 10020 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-29-09, 04:45 PM (EST)
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114. "Jon steppin' out?" |
Jon Gosselin says the paparazzi photos of him leaving a bar with an unidentified woman "showed poor judgment."The father of eight was photographed, sans wedding ring, leaving Legends Lounge near his Pennsylvania home with a woman around 2 a.m. on April 18, Us Weekly reports. According to the report, he was overheard calling the woman "babe" and urged her to get into his car when cameras started flashing. "Like most people, I have male and female friends and I'm not going to end my friendships just because I'm on TV," Gosselin said in a statement to TVGuide.com. "However, being out with them late at night showed poor judgment on my part. What makes me sick, is that my careless behavior has put my family in this uncomfortable position. My family is the most important thing in my life and it kills me that these allegations have hurt them." http://www.tvguide.com/News/Jon-Kate-Plus-1005592.aspx A SHARper Image
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mtopaz 2167 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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05-01-09, 01:04 AM (EST)
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115. "RE: Jon steppin' out?" |
Jon is a complete idiot. Stoopid doesn't even cover it. I love that he supposedly had to go talk to the owner of a local bar at 12:30 p.m. Hmmmm, who was watching the kids? Kate was away in Bellevue, WA doing her fabulously fahbulous book tour! I guess is must have been the non-nanny who works "various hours", like in the middle of the night, in case Jon-boy wants to go trolling for some 20-something chickadee.Methinks Kate will take away his car privileges for a long, long time! Maybe he'll be grounded to his apartment above the garage. Or maybe he'll run home to his mommy. That this manchild is father to eight young children is pretty sad. Only thing sadder is that Kate is their mother! I sure hope the not-a-nanny nanny is a decent and caring person, since neither parent is. You're doing a heckuva job TLC! What other lowlifes are you courting for your next reality tv show? A leetle request -- next time, could you not include innocent children? Hmmmm? Designed by Agman, siggy maker to the gemstones
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mtopaz 2167 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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05-02-09, 06:27 PM (EST)
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117. "RE: Jon steppin' out?" |
Apparently, this is still a big money maker for TLC so I don't see them pulling the plug anytime soon. Maybe the tie-ins will change. A show with Dr. Phil, where they air their dirty laundry and Dr. Phil counsels them. A show with Dr. Drew, where Jon admits he's got a drinking problem and Dr. Drew counsel them. Or maybe a reality show about divorce, where we get to see all the wackiness of fighting over shared custody, who gets the house that the kids bought, even nastier name-calling than before, and then the introduction of the new person mommy/daddy is dating to the kids. If there's money to be made, you can be sure Jon, Kate and TLC will be there with bells on. Designed by Agman, siggy maker to the gemstones
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mtopaz 2167 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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05-08-09, 02:37 PM (EST)
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124. "RE: Jon & Kate Dad's Three-Month Affair Confirmed " |
I'm sorry I don't have links, but apparently the stories continue to abound, with the supposed other woman and her brother telling conflicting stories. There are photographs of this woman sunning herself at the home Jon shares with Kate and the kids, apparently while Kate was away on one of her book signing tours.Also video of Jon leaving the woman's house in the early hours. He apparently also told a group of college age girls that he and his wife were separated and getting a divorce. Who knows what is true, but this much seems clear -- this marriage is seriously troubled. In hindsight, all that folderol of going to Hawaii to renew their marriage vows, swearing they will always be together, should have been a clear sign they were already floudering. Designed by Agman, siggy maker to the gemstones
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JessicaRN 1070 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"
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05-08-09, 06:24 PM (EST)
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127. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2" |
I saw one interview with her when she said that she would like some privacy to get through this, but you can't have it both ways. When you invite cameras into your home, and use media to push your various projects, then you should expect that cameras will catch everything. I know that she has control in her home with the cameras, but try as she might, she can't control the rest of the world. (BTW, I read that their new house sits on 36 acres. Being in the public eye has been very, very good to them)
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mtopaz 2167 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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05-13-09, 09:13 PM (EST)
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132. "RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8" |
Wow, how low can this couple go to make money? I thought it was bad enough that they put their 8 kids on display with multiple shows per year, all their private and embarrassing moments captured on film, and the elimination of all friends and family who took care of them and loved them. But I guess that wasn't quite as low as they could go -- per Kevin and Aunt Jodi, Kate had a secret agreement drawn up. They would stay married for the show, but in name only. Jon was allowed to have girlfriends "on the side." Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we sell out our kids in the name of money, fame, and greed. I have to hand it to these two, especially Kate. You would have to go pretty far to find a mother more repulsive than her (and I'm not even talking about that chicken butt hairstyle of hers either). I really feel for those kids. I sure hope the various nannies are decent, kind people, at the very least. Lord knows, their parents are low down, good-for-nothing liars. Designed by Agman, siggy maker to the gemstones
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mtopaz 2167 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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05-15-09, 01:45 PM (EST)
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137. "RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8" |
>And Jody was one of the people on the show that really came across as nice. Normally, I'd think that this kind of "rip" was an attempt at self-promotion, but it's not possible for me to believe that of Jody, considering that she was the one person that the kids really seemed to like -- and who really seemed to like them. It's sad that the Gosselin marriage has become a total sham played out for the TV cameras, but it's not surprising. I always joked that I'd need to get drunk and stay drunk to be married to Kate. Apparently Jon agrees, considering all the stories about him being drunk. > You know the crazy thing? I think Jon really still loves Kate. According to Kevin and Jodi, Kate told Jon the marriage was over about 6 months ago, and it's only since then that these stories and photos of him drinking til all hours at bars, hanging out with 20-somethings, etc., have surfaced. Strange as it seems, I think the guy is miserable over losing Kate and drowning his sorrows. I also agree re Jodi. She could hardly bring herself to even whisper the word "affair." She seems like a genuinely nice person, and anyone who would agree to take in eight children, many of them sick with the flu, so your brother and sister in law could go to New York for a hair transplant - is a saint in my book. Designed by Agman, siggy maker to the gemstones
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AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-19-09, 02:28 PM (EST)
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141. "RE: People" |
I agree -- the show is now becoming a docusoap. Maybe they should just focus on the affairs and leave the kids out of it.
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AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-24-09, 07:40 PM (EST)
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145. "PR battle" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-24-09 AT 07:41 PM (EST)People is about as objective a source as any other PR firm. Time Warner mistakenly opted to back Kate and is paying the price for it with reams of bad publicity trashing her. I loved US Weekly's cover story title: "Kate Gosselin: Mom to Monster." http://www.nj.com/entertainment/celebrities/index.ssf/2009/05/report_kate_gosselin_fired_40.html Us also dug up a 2005 story by the Associated Press in which a pre-fame Gosselin petitioned the state of Pennsylvania to extend Medicaid payments to Krall because Gosselin "feels society has a responsibility to help with the children, since modern medicine promotes the use of fertility drugs, which can lead to multiple births." A rift also developed between Gosselin and her father, a pastor, after she rejected cribs donated by his parishioners because they didn't match. Yes, TLC is clearly exploiting the children by continuing to air this psycho's ravings. I guess the Octomom had more reason to believe that she could duplicate Kate's success than most of us realized, because she and Kate are both horribly warped.
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nazpink 1058 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"
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05-26-09, 10:26 AM (EST)
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148. "RE: Opening Day" |
It goes to say that Jon and Kate dove head first into reality show fame without any thought to the consequences. The "P" people and tabloids come with the territory of being in the public eye. I'm not saying these people deserve to have this treatment or that the tabloids and papparazzi have any right to do what they do, but it is the reality.Kate isn't being fair. She is getting what she wants, which is a career of selling books, giving talks, and signing autographs for fans. She enjoys this. The show alone could have been enough, the show is why she can do the above. Everything else is extra, isn't it? However, Jon isn't being fair either. He wants the enjoyment that comes with the money without the consequences that are involved with making this money. A bit much to ask for? The kids may be happy and healthy for now. They are still young, which can make it easier to keep them ignorant/oblivious to the reality of the situation at hand. Eventually Kate's list will be answered with big fat NOs. It's really only a matter of time. Quit the lifestyle and concentrate on fixing the family. You can't do this with camaras in your face, daddy's weekend alone times, or out on book signing tours. If the show no longer exist, Jon and Kate stay out of public eye, and clearly begin working on their relationship they will be amongst the many reality show celebs that fall between the cracks to no longer be heard of again until VH1 does a "Where are they now" show. I will also add that Kate's brother and sister in law are completely wrong in their actions. Even if the open marriage contract is true it gives them no right to air that. If they truly are worried about their nieces and nephews welfare then they will be there for them rather than seperating themselves more by saying such garbage. Clearly their intentions are none too great. This whole business is shady and the children are the ones who will pay. No divorce is friendly. Jon and Kate already talk like they are ready to sign on the dotted line....they are done or at least they seem to be. I hope they stop and re-think it all, from the sounds of it they love the life-style too much to give it up, and work out their kinks.
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mindy23 1319 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson"
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05-26-09, 11:47 AM (EST)
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149. "RE: Opening Day" |
Actually, I just watched this through last night for the first time. Call me a 'stalker' or whatever, but yes, the tabloids, etc, drew me to the scene. I needed to see what was going on. And hear it from the 'horses' mouths', if you will.First off, I'm not sure what the big deal is about these people with large families. Maybe because it's such a novelty in today's world? My husband grew up in a family of 11, and it was no piece of cake-they were lucky to GET a piece of cake! It's really tough to slice a pie 11 ways-he tells me that many times! They had no papparazi following them-just a lot of people who respected the fact that his mom could even remember her kid's names. Which, half the time, she didn't. She'd go down the line from oldest until she hit the mark. They had their ups and downs, but they certainly had NO ONE giving them air time, free food, diapers, clothes, or ANYTHING that slightly resembled hand-outs. My FIL worked 2 jobs, the boys-all 6 of them-shared one bedroom. So, what is the big deal? That is was multiple births? Who cares? That they can manage, write books, become famous? How would they have done that without media/outside help? Now they are turning on the very people who put them in that place. To be honest, the papparazzi are actually protecting their kids-the way I see it, anyway. I can't see anyone attacking or trying to kidnap any of the kids with all the cameras around. May sound bizzare, but that's how I feel. Yes, it has to be annoying, but again, did you not think this through? Were you just thinking of 8 kids and their college educations? Big house, big cars, etc?? Again, I revert back to the 1965 Plymouth Station Wagon that held all 11 members, and some friends/extra family of my husband's. No one wore a seatbelt, and people sat on top of people, there were babies on laps, and kids in the very back. Are they all alive today? Well, all but the parents!
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AyaK 10083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-26-09, 03:20 PM (EST)
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151. "RE: If she's so worried about the kids saying the word Paperazzi " |
I think Kate planned a public party so she could make damn sure she looked like a victimI agree. And a father that had to get away for the weekend, needing a break. Leaving the planning of a birthday party up to her. I don't think Jon wanted any part of the party. He attended because he had to under the contract with TLC. You know, for me the most revealing part of the episode was when Jon was asked if he'd rather be out seeling books and leaving Kate at home, and he answered that he can't write well, and "according to some people, can't talk or breathe right either." That's always the image I've had of Kate, and I think we can safely say that this family is toast. But the saddest part of the episode was when, after Alexis invited Brayden and Jon teased her about inviting a boy, they hugged and then Alexis said, "Daddy, I don't want you to go away." Unfortunately for herself and her siblings, her parents should have thought of that years ago. And I agree with the EW writer: http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20281011_3,00.html Granted, it always felt like things with Jon and Kate would come to a boil, but watching it unfold feels pretty awful.
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nkailihiwa 1 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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05-26-09, 07:41 PM (EST)
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154. "RE: Season 5 premiere" |
I was in near tears last night. All I could think of was 'those poor kids'. I could not believe the way they acted at the birthday party. Kate is stuck up and feels she is owed something. You could totally see that. And I wondered why she had it at a park as well. I think she WANTS the "P people" to follow here, esp when Jon isn't around. They need to cancel the show, work on their marriage and raise those kids. I hated the way she was like "parents of multiples have a 75% divorce rate" Really? Why is it that multiples cause divorce? I don't think it has a thing to do with that. I could go on and on b ut I won't.
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samboohoo 17075 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-27-09, 08:38 AM (EST)
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156. "RE: Season 5 premiere" |
Agree.I have been trying to put all of this into some sort of thought, and I'm not quite sure I can. I didn't watch much of Season 4 - my life got in the way. And I had the season finale on the DVR for a long time. There was a clip in there that I really enjoyed about how Kate's style has changed over the years. And Jon was saying how she looks better with age. I also cried last night while finally watching this season's premier. Especially when the two of them would do an interview. Especially the scene with Alexis. There used to be so much love between Jon & Kate. And I think the stress of all of it caught up to them. A couple of things I have noticed: Kate: She has always been bossy and hard. There is a part of me that totally gets that. I know how my life has changed with just one child. I absolutely cannot imagine being in their shoes. I think that she has to be the way she is because IMO ultimately everything seems to come back to her. She is the organizer, she is the boss. Kate used to be a nurse. There is a "perfection" that has to go into that profession. There is also compassion and love and nurturing. I have never, ever, ever, questioned her love for her children. When she makes those faces, I get it. When she grunts, I get it. I do feel she is very hard on Jon, but I've never seen Jon really step up and take a leader role. Never be the boss. I think Jon does better not being the leader/boss. Does that mean I condone the way Kate always treats him? No. Jon: I found it very interesting that Jon pulled up to the party in that sports car. I think Jon is going through an identity crisis and/or early mid-life crisis. He was very young when they met and married and had 8 kids before he was 30. From what I can gather, he was in the middle of some real "fun" before he met Kate, and that fun quickly changed. I think he is trying to figure it all out. I think they show got way bigger than they ever expected. And like they both said, it became their job. Work can bring enough stress. When your life is your work, that can lead to such disaster. I think if they are going to continue to do the show, TLC should partner with that doctor from Good Housekeeping (I think) or the doctor that does, "Can this marriage be saved?" Samboobree, brought to life by Arkie
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zombiebaby 7355 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-27-09, 11:23 AM (EST)
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159. "RE: Season 5 premiere" |
I agree with you Boo. I really get Kate. I don't think she is as evil as people make her out to be. She talks abruptly but I don't think she is unfeeling. I have no doubt either that she loves her kids and yes, she loves what she does now. Sometimes it sounds a little sexist to see others say that Kate should stay home with the kids. What if it was reversed and Jon was out traveling? Jon is stuck at age 22. It's not a matter of being laid back. I'm laid back yet I know what my responsibliities are. Sure I want to go out and party but those days are over. I think he was like this even before the show. I thought I read somewhere that he could not hold a job for more than a year or so and had a string of jobs. I'm certainly not saying it is all his fault either but he seems to get the better "edit". In prior seasons I always thought their banter between them worked. I think anyone looking at DH and I and the way we talk to each other would think we hated each other! WE go back and forth teasing and that's what I think they did. I do think they should stop the show now for everyone in that family's sake. She can still travel and do her book signings. This last episode was so sad. The whole party was miserable. It seems like they are editing her even harsher than usual or at least letting it all hang out now. She came across even more drama queen like than ever moaning how she had to do it alone now. Her and Jon's behavior at the party was chilling. DH commented that he could not watch anymore because he lived through a divorce and did not want to see another one play out on tv. My heart aches for those kids. Ummm...the kids are 5. Why are they in high chairs? I feel horrible for the twins as well. Mady reminds me of my oldest. She is very emotional and I am always suprised at the reaction of other posters at her behavior and how negative they are. You've been hotpocketed!
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samboohoo 17075 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-27-09, 02:42 PM (EST)
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161. "RE: Season 5 premiere" |
Agree with you about the job thing. And I think I read somewhere that he never finished his degree. And I think she even told him to go back and get his degree.Yep, the banter did work for them before. And you are right about the party. There was one part where I saw that she was "cold" and I thought he was going to offer her his jacket. He didn't. It was nice to see her offer him the fruit salad there at the end. I couldn't believe how much I cried watching the whole episode. The highchairs: I thought the same exact thing. I will say that Mady's attitude has greatly improved since last season or season 3. Samboobree, brought to life by Arkie
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cipher5150 166 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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05-27-09, 12:59 PM (EST)
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160. "RE: pinata" |
I’ve never had a piñata like the one you are referring to but I can tell you its a lot more fun hitting it with a stick…of course, when I was a kid we also managed to play with lawn darts without impaling one another.
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Snidget 43862 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-27-09, 02:53 PM (EST)
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163. "RE: pinata" |
Where's the fun if you can't whack the pinata with a stick?
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blacknwhitedog 6528 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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05-27-09, 05:56 PM (EST)
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166. "RE: What Happened to" |
yeah- Beth who co-wrote Kate's first book- doesn't seem to be in their life anymore- ditto for Aunt Jodi
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