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"Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 starts tonight on Discovery Health
the sextuplets are 3!



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 RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 Puffy 10-15-07 1
 RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 aggiesmom 10-28-07 2
   RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 blacknwhitedog 11-01-07 3
   RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 eire_heart74 11-16-08 26
 RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 blacknwhitedog 11-08-07 4
 Probably Not Season 2 samboohoo 05-21-08 5
 RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 Magnolia_Rocker 05-22-08 6
   RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 samboohoo 05-22-08 7
 RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 Puffy 05-29-08 8
   RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 samboohoo 05-30-08 9
   RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 Magnolia_Rocker 06-04-08 10
   RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 Debmarie 05-03-09 118
 RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 blacknwhitedog 06-04-08 11
   RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 rosekiki3 06-18-08 12
 RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 LostAddict 06-19-08 13
   RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 WaterBottle 06-19-08 14
       RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 samboohoo 06-19-08 15
           RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 MollyTV 06-30-08 16
               RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 TxMom2011 07-07-08 17
                   Very mixed feelings about this show carriem 11-04-08 18
                       Alexis carriem 11-05-08 19
 Season 3 blacknwhitedog 11-06-08 20
   RE: Season 3 carriem 11-06-08 21
       RE: Season 3 AyaK 11-06-08 22
           RE: Season 3 carriem 11-07-08 23
               RE: Season 3 eire_heart74 11-10-08 24
               RE: Season 3 eire_heart74 11-16-08 25
                   Glad they had the wedding.Enough of... carriem 11-18-08 27
                       RE: Glad they had the wedding.Enoug... eire_heart74 11-18-08 28
 RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 mrc 11-20-08 29
   RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 carriem 11-20-08 30
       fav "line" recently MollyTV 12-02-08 31
           RE: fav "line" recently eire_heart74 12-02-08 32
               RE: fav "line" recently carriem 12-02-08 33
           RE: fav "line" recently MPVLOST 12-02-08 34
               Jodi herself blogged about it carriem 12-02-08 35
                   RE: Jodi herself blogged about it eire_heart74 12-02-08 36
                       Twins play Mommy MPVLOST 12-09-08 37
                           RE: Twins play Mommy carriem 12-09-08 38
                               RE: Twins play Mommy eire_heart74 12-10-08 39
                   RE: Jodi herself blogged about it Debmarie 05-03-09 119
           RE: fav "line" recently mtopaz 01-07-09 51
 RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 true 12-11-08 40
   RE: It's not really about being per... carriem 12-15-08 41
       RE: It's not really about being per... eire_heart74 12-16-08 42
           RE: It's the dishonesty that gets t... carriem 12-16-08 43
               RE: It's the dishonesty that gets t... eire_heart74 12-16-08 44
                   RE: I forgot about Ronald MacDonald... carriem 12-17-08 45
 RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 eire_heart74 01-06-09 46
   RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 MollyTV 01-07-09 47
       RE: The problem with free mansions.... carriem 01-07-09 48
           RE: The problem with free mansions.... eire_heart74 01-07-09 49
               RE: Mady at 17! carriem 01-07-09 50
               RE: The problem with free mansions.... carriem 01-22-09 52
                   RE: The problem with free mansions.... MollyTV 01-23-09 53
                       RE: money corrupts,sometimes carriem 01-23-09 54
                           RE: money corrupts,sometimes MollyTV 01-23-09 55
                               RE: money corrupts,sometimes MPVLOST 01-23-09 56
                                   RE: money corrupts,sometimes MollyTV 01-24-09 57
                                       RE: money corrupts,sometimes eire_heart74 01-26-09 58
                               RE: money corrupts,sometimes MJ75 01-28-09 59
                                   RE: money corrupts,sometimes carriem 01-29-09 60
                                   RE: money corrupts,sometimes true 01-31-09 61
                                       day care for 6 teacherkelly 01-31-09 62
                                       RE: money corrupts,sometimes mtopaz 02-03-09 65
                                           RE: money corrupts,sometimes true 02-04-09 68
                                               RE: money corrupts,sometimes mtopaz 02-04-09 72
                                                   RE: money corrupts,sometimes true 02-04-09 74
                       RE: The problem with free mansions.... mtopaz 02-03-09 64
                           RE: The problem with free mansions.... true 02-04-09 67
                               RE: The problem with free mansions.... mtopaz 02-04-09 71
                                   RE: The problem with free mansions.... true 02-04-09 73
                                       RE: The problem with free mansions.... mtopaz 02-04-09 76
                           RE: The problem with free mansions.... Debmarie 05-03-09 120
               RE: The problem with free mansions.... mtopaz 02-03-09 63
                   RE: The problem with free mansions.... MPVLOST 02-03-09 66
                   RE: The problem with free mansions.... true 02-04-09 69
                       RE: The problem with free mansions.... mtopaz 02-04-09 70
                           RE: The problem with free mansions.... true 02-04-09 75
                               RE: The problem with free mansions.... mtopaz 02-04-09 77
                                   in the woods MollyTV 02-13-09 78
                                       RE: in the woods MollyTV 02-25-09 79
 Kate blacknwhitedog 02-25-09 80
   RE: Kate mtopaz 02-26-09 81
       RE: Kate blacknwhitedog 02-26-09 82
           RE: Kate mtopaz 02-26-09 83
               RE: Kate carriem 02-26-09 84
                   RE: Kate blacknwhitedog 02-27-09 85
                       RE: Kate teacherkelly 02-27-09 86
           RE: Kate Debmarie 05-03-09 121
 RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 eire_heart74 03-03-09 87
   RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 MollyTV 03-06-09 88
   RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 teacherkelly 03-07-09 89
       RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 JessicaRN 03-07-09 90
           RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 eire_heart74 03-09-09 92
   RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 mtopaz 03-08-09 91
 People Magazine blacknwhitedog 03-13-09 93
   RE: People Magazine mtopaz 03-14-09 94
   RE: People Magazine eire_heart74 03-16-09 95
       RE: People Magazine MollyTV 03-17-09 96
 season finale 3/23 blacknwhitedog 03-19-09 97
   RE: season finale 3/23 mtopaz 03-19-09 98
   RE: season finale 3/23 eire_heart74 03-24-09 99
 Two part season finale mtopaz 03-24-09 100
   RE: Two part season finale ARnutz 03-24-09 101
       RE: Two part season finale MollyTV 03-25-09 102
           RE: Two part season finale ARnutz 03-25-09 103
               RE: Two part season finale MollyTV 03-25-09 104
               RE: Two part season finale eire_heart74 03-25-09 105
 RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 ARnutz 03-26-09 106
   RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 nazpink 03-26-09 107
   RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 MollyTV 03-27-09 108
   RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 HobbsofMI 03-27-09 109
       RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 lorimar3 04-01-09 110
 TV mom, author Kate Gosselin goes s... HobbsofMI 04-25-09 111
   RE: TV mom, author Kate Gosselin go... mtopaz 04-26-09 112
   i give them a year MollyTV 04-29-09 113
 Jon steppin' out? mrc 04-29-09 114
   RE: Jon steppin' out? mtopaz 05-01-09 115
       RE: Jon steppin' out? eire_heart74 05-01-09 116
           RE: Jon steppin' out? mtopaz 05-02-09 117
               RE: Jon steppin' out? JessicaRN 05-03-09 122
                   Jon & Kate Dad's Three-Month Affair... HobbsofMI 05-06-09 123
                       RE: Jon & Kate Dad's Three-Month Af... mtopaz 05-08-09 124
                           RE: Jon & Kate Dad's Three-Month Af... ARnutz 05-08-09 125
 RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 anotherkim 05-08-09 126
   RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 JessicaRN 05-08-09 127
       RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 anotherkim 05-08-09 129
   RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2 ARnutz 05-08-09 128
 Jon & Kate Bang 8 AyaK 05-13-09 130
   RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8 JessicaRN 05-13-09 131
   RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8 mtopaz 05-13-09 132
       RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8 Dizwiz 05-14-09 133
           RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8 mtopaz 05-14-09 134
               RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8 AyaK 05-15-09 135
                   RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8 blacknwhitedog 05-15-09 136
                       RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8 mtopaz 05-15-09 138
                   RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8 mtopaz 05-15-09 137
 People blacknwhitedog 05-15-09 139
   RE: People MollyTV 05-19-09 140
       RE: People AyaK 05-19-09 141
           RE: People mtopaz 05-19-09 142
 More Kate antics AyaK 05-21-09 143
   RE: More Kate antics JessicaRN 05-21-09 144
       PR battle AyaK 05-24-09 145
           Opening Day HobbsofMI 05-26-09 146
               RE: Opening Day Snidget 05-26-09 147
                   RE: Opening Day nazpink 05-26-09 148
                       RE: Opening Day mindy23 05-26-09 149
 If she's so worried about the kids ... eire_heart74 05-26-09 150
   RE: If she's so worried about the k... AyaK 05-26-09 151
       Ratings Snidget 05-26-09 153
 Season 5 premiere blacknwhitedog 05-26-09 152
   RE: Season 5 premiere nkailihiwa 05-26-09 154
       RE: Season 5 premiere JessicaRN 05-26-09 155
           RE: Season 5 premiere samboohoo 05-27-09 156
               RE: Season 5 premiere blacknwhitedog 05-27-09 157
               RE: Season 5 premiere zombiebaby 05-27-09 159
                   RE: Season 5 premiere samboohoo 05-27-09 161
 pinata blacknwhitedog 05-27-09 158
   RE: pinata cipher5150 05-27-09 160
   RE: pinata samboohoo 05-27-09 162
   RE: pinata Snidget 05-27-09 163
 What Happened to samboohoo 05-27-09 164
   RE: What Happened to blacknwhitedog 05-27-09 166
   RE: What Happened to HobbsofMI 05-27-09 167
 Sister in law and brother Jodi and ... HobbsofMI 05-27-09 165

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1. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
I don't get the Discovery Health channel, but TLC is promoting it on TLC locally, too.



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2. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
LOVE LOVE LOVE THE SHOW, but, does any one know why the parents of Jon and Kate are not involved? Kate at one point said that their parents were not involved in their daily lives? Just curious
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3. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
John's father is deceased. Don't know about John's mother, who is Korean, or Kate's parents.


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26. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
>LOVE LOVE LOVE THE SHOW, but,
>does any one know why
>the parents of Jon and
>Kate are not involved?
>Kate at one point said
>that their parents were not
>involved in their daily lives?
> Just curious

Internet rumor is Kate has fallen out with her parents over issues with helping them. Kate's dad is a minister who's churched donated many items to the family. Kate pitched a fit because she only wanted "matching items". Honey you just got six free cribs and you're going whine they don't match?

Kate also got alot of volunters from the church but she's banished most of them because they don't do things her way. (not a big surprise there!)

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4. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
The show is now on TLC instead of Discovery Health

they had a product placement the other night- the Playskool Rose Petal Cottage- it was so cute I think my DD would love it!



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5. "Probably Not Season 2"
But I am loving this show. Thanks Buggy for posting about it in OT. OMH, I love this show.



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6. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
I've tried to watch this show but Kate just annoys the hell out of me.


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7. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
I can see that, but I actually have grown to really like her. I think it's the organization part of her. She dishes it out, but Jon dishes it right back.

And, honestly, I know how I feel sometimes with just one. I can't even begin to imagine life with 8. OMH!!!!




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8. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
I caught up with all the shows during the Memorial Day marathon. I don't like how Kate treats Jon; like he's one of the kids or worse. She has her quirks, too. However, I love love love the show! I think Maddy has some serious issues, too.



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9. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
I have heard this complaint about Kate a lot. But I think she's pretty darn honest, and I really cannot even begin to imagine how she does it. So I don't think she treats him badly because she's mean or unappreciative - I think it really is her way of attempting to keep some sort of sanity.




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10. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
Puffy, I caught a couple of those episodes too and the one that bothered me was having the twins girls sit back to back when they opened their gifts. WTF??? That will not be a practice in this household.


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118. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
My husband gets so aggrivated on how Kate treats Jon
he says what a BIOTCH..

she drives me crazy when she squeels when they do something
she screams like a little kid

shes a dramma queen.
but I still like watching it

as for Maddie, I think she acts just like her mom
I dont think theres any other issues with her

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11. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
I think Kate may get an unfair edit to make her look worse than she is- otherwise where's the drama? I think the kids are pretty well-behaved for 8 of them. I can't imagine six 3-yr olds at once! I just watched the Christmas episode and she had them all sit on their name spot on the floor to open gifts or there is chaos- as you could imagine with 8 kids opening gifts at once. They also said they got a lot of gifts from viewers.



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12. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
I think this show is great - those kids are absolutely adorable. They are fairly well behaved but I can't imagine having that many at once to try to deal with.

Has anyone seen the previews for NBC's Baby Borrowers? It's teens trying out a hand at pregnancy with the real parents watching on closed circuit. They act like it's really hard - imagine having 8!

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13. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
I have watched this show on and off, but my 8 yo daughter has discovered it. She loves it. I dont' get what she loves about it, but she does.

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14. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
I flat out love this show!
I must admit, i couldn't stand Kate at the beginning, but then she really grew on me, it totally agree with the organization thing.
I watched last night the early early episodes, and john and Kate were showing videos of their wedding, and honeymoon. Then came the pregnancies, and oh my gosh did that poor women get big, they even had to put Vaseline on her, because he skin was stretching too fast!
Just watching them makes me want to have a big family..but not in Multiples, lol
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15. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
I saw that episode too.

I think you have to watch about 5 episodes to get a full appreication for Kate. You can't base your liking on the show based on one show, and especially not on the Toys R Us episode.




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16. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
i agree....give her a chance.

i think this season is more interesting because jon doesn't "take it" anymore...he acts like the old married guy that he is...just like my husband....lol...

i love when he went golfing with the boys...they did their thing and he did his....and when one started to whine that he was getting dirty...jon pointed out that who cares....their mother makes them worry too much...lol

he is so natural with them...easy peasy.
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17. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
Whats your name ?? Daddy'ss sson.... ssooooo cute!
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18. "Very mixed feelings about this show"
The kids are darling but Kate is obnoxious.I would also love to reach thru the screen and smack Mady and I am not a violent person.Somehow this show has become about fabulous(free)vacations and watching Jon and Kate argue and get plastic surgery.I fast forward to scenes where the little kids are talking.
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19. "Alexis"
Alexis is the prettiest of the kids.I know that's politically incorrect to say but there you go.
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20. "Season 3"
Man they are getting a lot of freebies now! First the trip to the beach house, now the trip to Hawaii to renew vows and a tie in with the show "Say Yes to the Dress". When's Kate going to be on "What not to wear"? They certainly have the TLC monopoly!

The sextuplets sure are fun at age 4 now- Maddie is more and more annoying now- poor kid.



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21. "RE: Season 3"
I agree!The kids are so cute and funny.I'd love the show to focus on them.Enough of Kate and Kate plus Kate.And it has turned into a source of cash and fabulous prizes.Mady is horrible but more and more I can see where she gets it.
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22. "RE: Season 3"
There's only so much you can do within the confines of day-to-day life that's interesting, especially with the sextuplets now being 4. Trips are a way to break the routine and create drama.
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That's the reason why they film them on trips I'm sure, but my complaints are the fact that they don't focus enough on the kids and I am sick of hearing Kate brag about all the freebies.I think it's great that the little kids are going to pre-school.I hope they film them there.
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Mady would be a bratty kid even if she was an only child but having to share the attention with all those other kids certainly doesn't help. Oh add a camera team, way to give a kid a complete audience for her snotty behavior.

Time outs don't be the cure all they always claim they were. Cause I have never seen so many kids hit as much as these kids do. And I've taught school!

I use to love this show but the freebies they get make their lives very unrealistic now. No one is handing me free beach houses or trips to ski. So I get bothered by their (mostly Kate) going on about "just doing normal stuff any family would do. Even if they only had a few kids".

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25. "RE: Season 3"
.I think it's great that
>the little kids are going
>to pre-school.I hope they film
>them there.

I think it's great they are going to school. Let them learn how to get along with other kids and maybe an outside source can take care of that hitting/kicking thing they are always doing with each other. Cause clearly being sent to time out and being made to hug each other isn't doing it.

I doubt we'll see much footage of school. Most schools now have to ask for "picture permission" just to take a pic of the class or on a trip. (for safety reasons) I really doubt TLC would go through the hassle of trying to coax all the parents to allow them that.

The school is over an hour away and they only go half day. So she drops them off, drives home, sits for a minute and then drives back? Odd but I guess free day care, who's going to say no to that.

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27. "Glad they had the wedding.Enough of that already!"
I have never seen a bigger deal made out of a renewel.The event itself was actually pretty casual but TLC carried on forever about it.Did anyone notice how rude Alexis was last night to Jenny?She threw her snack and tried to hit her when she spoke to her.
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28. "RE: Glad they had the wedding.Enough of that already!"
>I have never seen a bigger
>deal made out of a
>renewel.The event itself was actually
>pretty casual but TLC carried
>on forever about it.Did anyone
>notice how rude Alexis was
>last night to Jenny?She threw
>her snack and tried to
>hit her when she spoke
>to her.


YOu would of thought it was a royal wedding!!! And if I see that damned ad for it one more time I'll scream! Like we get it TLC, you have the lock on family reality shows.

OK pedicures for 4 year olds??? Hello go to drug store, buy a 1.99 bottle of nail polish. They would of been just as happy. I would of been pissed if a was a patron in the salon that day having it over run by screaming children. ugh!

I know there is always a lot they don't show for whatever reasons but considering how they said a bunch of times how excited they were to see Jon's family, don't you think that would of been the first thing they did? Instead of hulu lessons or cookie baking?

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29. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
An interesting critique of the show:

http://gosselinswithoutpity.blogspot.com/

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30. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
I have seen the "Gosselins Without Pity" web-site.There is alot of good critique of the show on it.I think people are catching on to what this show has degenerated into.I was shocked to learn that they have a private organic chef and round the clock help.I don't hate the Gosselins personally but the show has become dishonest.It used to be about surviving sextuplets and twins and it is now about being reality show stars.I also question if it is really in the best interest of the kids to live their whole lives on tv.
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31. "fav "line" recently"
"don't call me buddy, my names leah".....

that was too cute....i guess because jon calls the boys hey buddy all the time they are just repeating what they hear.

i am also always annoyed at mady "acting out"...that just seems her way of getting attention in a mass of little people. except she gets negative attention and always ruins her own time. seems kate has caught on and removes mady from the situation so it won't spoil everyone else's good time. smart move.

does anyone here know if its true about kate having a falling out with both her sis in law "aunt jody" and now her best friend "beth" who co-wrote the book with her. i noticed except for showing beths name on the book kate didn't mention beth's part in the book.

i would love to have a bus like that to cart me around new york.

i think all the fun things they do are "given" to them ...like the girls pedicures etc...and i would take full advantage if given the opportunity myself.

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32. "RE: fav "line" recently"
There have been swirling rumors about Kate cutting people out of their lives if they don't play by her rules. I think Beth and Jody are just two more to the list. Which is very sad seeing as they have said time and again how their grandparents aren't part of their kids daily lives.

Aunt Jody's sister has blogged about horrible Kate has treated Jody. (which when you dump 8 sick kids on top of your own sick bunch of kids so your husband can get free hair plugs, can you really blame her?)

I use to love this show but it's like another poster said. It's just become this fake set up thing.

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33. "RE: fav "line" recently"
My fave line was when Kate said "I don't understand why they don't just interview us"(meaning her and Jon).She just does not get that the popularity of the show is because of the kids.She really thinks she is on Kate and Kate plus Kate.
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34. "RE: fav "line" recently"
This is what I've heard from reading various sites/blogs about the subject.

During season 2, Kate was approached by the production staff about having Jodi/Beth/Others paid for being on the show.

Kate basically said, no chance in hell, saying she didn't want anyone else making money off their family.

Jodi/Beth/others never heard about this, they continued to watch the kids whenever needed simply because they were family/friends.

Fast forward to sometime this past spring. This time the production staff decided to go straight to Jodi about being paid for being on the show.

Somehow Kate got wind of this and pretty much cut Jodi out of their lives because she doesn't want anyone else making money off their family. Beth was more or less cut out too after she heard about the whole thing and Kate refusing to let them be paid.


I don't know how much of that is true or how accurate that is, that's just what I've heard from reading stuff online.

There's various blogs out there being written by other family members/former friends that go into more detail.


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35. "Jodi herself blogged about it"
The story about Jodi is true according to her own blog which she has since taken down.Kate does not seem to care that every time she cuts someone out of the kids lives they suffer a loss.The circle of family and friends they can count on is shrinking to be replaced by material things.Not exactly a healthy pattern!
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36. "RE: Jodi herself blogged about it"
>The story about Jodi is true
>according to her own blog
>which she has since taken
>down.Kate does not seem to
>care that every time she
>cuts someone out of the
>kids lives they suffer a
>loss.The circle of family and
>friends they can count on
>is shrinking to be replaced
>by material things.Not exactly a
>healthy pattern!


That's terribly sad. because someday TLC will not renew their show. Or they will decide not to do it anymore. And the free stuff will no longer be coming in. What will they be left with?

I kind of wish they would stop talking about their "blessings" (ie free stuff) and just fess up and say "YEah man we get crazy free swag" If they would just admit it instead of pretending to do so much themselves. I'd have way more respect for them.

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37. "Twins play Mommy "
Wow, that episode was a train wreck.

They had the twins pretend to be mommy while Kate was "busy" with some other project involving putting away summer clothes and getting out winter clothes.

Mostly it was just a lot of screaming and yelling.

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38. "RE: Twins play Mommy "
It should have been called "Making the twins baby-sit" because that's what it was.Both Jon and Kate got really angry when the twins found it to hard to handle.Also,when are we giving up the bibs and high-chairs?The sextuplets are pushing five!
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39. "RE: Twins play Mommy "
>It should have been called "Making
>the twins baby-sit" because that's
>what it was.Both Jon and
>Kate got really angry when
>the twins found it to
>hard to handle.Also,when are we
>giving up the bibs and
>high-chairs?The sextuplets are pushing five!
>


Well are they going to cut Cara and Mady out of their lives because they don't do the job right like Aunt Jody, Uncle Kevin, Beth and Bob and a cast of others that have been tossed out like used Kleenex?

Let's not forget them all still drinking out of sippy cups. My son was drinking out of a regular cup when he was two! The bibs, the high chairs, all a big attempt at making them look cuter and younger than they are. Come out Kate, the gig is up!

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119. "RE: Jodi herself blogged about it"
where is Jodis blog?
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51. "RE: fav "line" recently"
I wondered where Aunt Jody and Beth went in recent episodes. It would be sad indeed if Kate and Jody had a real lasting falling out. I think Jody is pretty much a saint for watching anywhere from five to 8 kids on top of her own, on numerous occasions. Didn't she say on one show that she took the kids one day a week, to give Kate a break? That's heroic in my book, and it would be a shame if Kate didn't appreciate that.

I like this show, but prefer the earlier episodes to the more recent ones. It seems more and more posed these days. I don't blame them for taking the trips that are offered -- I too would love to be offered a free week at a home in Colorado, and ski passes, etc. Or a free trip to Disneyworld, even if I had to drive my kids there.

But the most painful episodes are when they "give back," like the one where they did some sort of rummage sale at their church and Kate was already freaking out even before it started. If you are going to do a sale to raise money for children with cancer, try not to be so crabby about it, okay?

And then when they delivered toys to the hospital, and visited with the sick kids. That was a good thing to do, but if I heard Kate say one more time, "It's better to give than to receive" I was going to scream. Yes, yes, yes, I get it!

It's got to be hard for the older girls especially, to be raised in the limelight, yet constantly being upstaged by six cute younger siblings. Cara seems to handle it well; but Mady is just too much sometimes. I think she gets away with more than she should, but being a parent, I also know that it's hard to truly judge from the outside. So I try to give both Mady and her parents the benefit of the doubt. Maybe with a few more years of maturity, she'll really come into her own and show a more appealing side.

When I like the show best is when they really are doing the everyday things that families do - camping in the backyard, playing with play-do, getting excited because Daddy is cooking a traditional Korean dinner, etc. I think after another season, it should be time for the show to end and let the whole family live a more normal life (but will they want to?)


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40. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
This whole thread cracks me up. I'm all for making fun of DAWS, but geeze louise, why are these people expected to be so dang perfect. LMAO.

Jon is a dweeb, and honestly, I think Kate is restrained when she responds to some of the boneheaded stuff he pulls. I'd be a raving loon with all those kids running around, so I in all honestly, I think they handle it pretty darn well.

As far as the freebies go. More power to them. It won't last forever, so why not cash in while they can? Can any of you peeps really convince me that you'd turn all the cool freebies down? Give.me.a.break.

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41. "RE: It's not really about being perfect."
It's more about showing basic decency and respect to other human beings.For instance:Jodi,Beth and all the other people Kate has used and then disregarded.Also,there is a big difference between (gratefully)accepting the occasional freebie and making a living off your kids.The Gosselins were a much more normal down to earth family when this show started.I think maybe they changed when they(esp.Kate)started to believe their own hype.
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42. "RE: It's not really about being perfect."
Not that St Jude's isn't a wonderful hospital but did they really need to go on yet another trip? Honestly? There isn't any hospitals in PA where they live. They have to fly to another state in order to "give back"??

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43. "RE: It's the dishonesty that gets to me."
This is an example of the typical dishonesty of the show.The Gosselins did not give anything.Since they traveled for the show their expenses were covered including hotels,meals etc,and they were also paid per their contracts.And because K-mart sponsors the show they did not have to pay for any of the toys.All that came out of pocket was the dollar they gave each child to contribute.Wow!10 dollars from a family that has received more than any person could ever need.And a camera crew to document how good they are to do this.I suppose staying at home and giving to a community that has lavished generosity on them was too dull.
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44. "RE: It's the dishonesty that gets to me."
I
>suppose staying at home and
>giving to a community that
>has lavished generosity on them
>was too dull.


Exactly the thought that went through my head. Their only redeeming moment this season to me was when Kate handed a check to the Ronald McDonald house they stayed in when the babies were just born. Saying she had nothing to give then but wanted to make right on that now.

They couldn't go back there with a bunch of toys for those kids who's families are staying there?

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45. "RE: I forgot about Ronald MacDonald House!"
Why didn't she just give there?Should have been so obvious.
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46. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
So at the very end of last night's latest episode, they announce to the kids that they are moving.

25 minutes of a yawn watching Kate try to convince us that she really does make batches of home made soup while Jon makes sure Play Dough and Little Tykes brands of toy get their product placement time.

My husband who barely watches the show said to me the other day "well what are they going to do when their show gets canned?" Good question! He couldn't believe neither of them worked. How come everyone else see this as a problem but them? Are they really thinking people will be watching this show when the kids are snarly teenagers?

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47. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
its funny...but i watched it last night and was thinking....
well "nothing happened"...kinda boring...

and we have seen kate get pissed about the mess and talk about how much it drives her insane a million times and now that the house is going to be BIG as they said....i wonder how much this will turn people off from watching.

i kept wishing that jon would look at the camera and smile during the interview portion about the playdoh and how he likes to play and she doesn't, making fun of kate. but she sat there all tired and annoyed.

surprising in this economy anyone would make such a big move but then again...i don't have a tv show and no one wants me to have a tv show...
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48. "RE: The problem with free mansions....."
Jon and Kate's new house exceeds one million dollars in value and was paid for by their sponsors and their production company.Sponsors also bought the furniture in exchange for the free product placement on the show.This was a very short-sited move.Two major problems:1)How is this even close to being a show about what happens to a typical family when they give birth to 6 children at once?This premise has been nearly destroyed anyway with all the free trips but the free mansion will be the end for good.Will the public want to watch a show about how a rude spoiled snot and her bumbling idiot husband survive when they have twins and sextuplets,quit their jobs,cash in on lucrative endorsement deals and move in to their free mansion?Don't think so.2)When this show ends,how will Jon and Kate possibly afford the yearly property taxes and utility bills on this place?Even if they go back to work their salaries would not accomodate that lifestyle.
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49. "RE: The problem with free mansions....."
Will the public
>want to watch a show
>about how a rude spoiled
>snot and her bumbling idiot
>husband survive when they have
>twins and sextuplets,quit their jobs,cash
>in on lucrative endorsement deals
>and move in to their
>free mansion?Don't think so.

It's getting harder and harder to relate to them as just typical parents.


2)When this
>show ends,how will Jon and
>Kate possibly afford the yearly
>property taxes and utility bills
>on this place?Even if they
>go back to work their
>salaries would not accomodate that
>lifestyle.

A very good question. I often wonder what will happen to them when eventually TLC opts not to renew their series. The kids are cute now but I think they've kind of tapped the well dry now. Really how many more free trips can they take? I guess maybe a cruise would be next? And then what? They've lost a bit of that shine.

Do were really want to see the six little ones at 13? Stuffed into their high chairs still with bibs? Or Mady at 17?

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50. "RE: Mady at 17!"
I am glad they will be forgotten by then.Can you imagine Mady as a surly teen?Kate will be paid back for her own rude attitude a million times over.And the sextuplets will not be out of bibs or able to speak without baby talk.
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52. "RE: The problem with free mansions....."
The next episode is where they are going to spring the mansion on us.I thought the ad with Kate looking out the window and saying "It's all mine as far as the eye can see" was hysterical.Things are really going to get interesting now.Oh well.I'm glad for the kids to have some space.
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53. "RE: The problem with free mansions....."
i thought the same thing...about "as far as the eyes can see".

but i also thought during the question/answer episode that j & k sure want us to know that its NOT TRUE what we are all thinking.
you could feel the defensiveness in their answers. and all i could think was

thou doth protesteth too much.

cause i am sure when we all see the BIG mansion while all the rest of us are losing our jobs and or tightening the belts there is gonna be LOTS of resentment. so i hope they are ready for the backlash.
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54. "RE: money corrupts,sometimes"
The question and answer session was painfully awkward.Both the producers and Jon and Kate realized they have stepped in it.Viewers have identified that this show has crossed the line into exploitation and I think you are right-there will be nobody celebrating for the Gosselins when they see their free mansion.When the show started it had decent intentions but things have changed.Also,I don't actually beileve that those questions were all sent in by viewers.I think the producers wrote them to help spin the situation with the free mansion.
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55. "RE: money corrupts,sometimes"
totally agree,

i have read many websites that state jon comes on and tries to "set the record straight" to all the people calling them out.
so now the producers are trying to feed us the koolaid.

we're too jaded for all that crap. i mean why else do we watch these reality shows...not because we want to see bunnies and rainbows.

i at first liked the show...it was cute...kate yelling at jon. etc. but now i can't wait to see how long its going to take the people who don't read the blogs just how ridiculous their life has turned into.

you would think they were billionaires....organic food(bought in bulk and ALWAYS on sale)...um...i guess if you don't have to buy anything else because the sponsors are handing it to you left and right you have leftover money to buy the good food that the rest of us poor chaps can't afford.

the difference between them and the little people roloffs is that i can actually see matt working for a company...i can see him promoting his cause, i can see amy worrying about her kids.
and their big new house...they built it. and i understand they get paid for their show...i get it...but somehow it is different and i can't put my finger on it yet.
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56. "RE: money corrupts,sometimes"
The worst part of the whole Q&A episode was their answer to "will they buy cars for the kids?"

They said, no they will get jobs and pay for their own. It's like J&K don't even realize that they're making money off their kids and the only reason they have enough money to buy a million dollar house is because of the kids.


I predict a big lawsuit when the Tups turn 18 and want their money and the parents claim it's theirs(J&K).

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57. "RE: money corrupts,sometimes"
its funny...i can see a big divide in the family because even tho we don't know the details there is a split in the family somewhere now.

isn't it true that they don't speak to some of their family members? i can see it happening all over again only when the kids grow up.

we will see a documentary in the future entitled "what happened to the kids?"...remember the dionne quints...i have seen video of them and the surviving ones and it wasn't pretty.
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58. "RE: money corrupts,sometimes"
Kate had a falling out with her parents over donated items that her parents had gotten from the church her dad preaches at. They weren't matching. Yep, she threw a fit over free stuff. For a woman that says they were so broke they were looking for assistance to pay their heating bill, can you really be that picky when someone gives you cribs and clothes that don't match?

Aunt Jody was banned. Do we ever see Beth and Bob anymore? Nope, because they were offered money by the show for their time spent on the show. Kate and Jon were offended that someone was making money off their kids. Yeah, cause they are the only ones allowed to do that. Considering how many times they dumped their flu sick children on Aunt Jody so they could get hair plugs for Jon? Yeah she deserved every penny.

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59. "RE: money corrupts,sometimes"
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Re: Roloffs seeming different from J&K (even though they both have the big house, money, etc.)

I think it's because even though they have the show, they still work. Matt has the hotel stepping-stool company, they have the pumpkin farm in the fall, they host the corporate parties in the summer.

They have other sources of income that will continue even when the show ends.

They aren't just sitting home and watching the money roll in from the show.


On the one hand, I can understand J&K liking the idea of being able to stay home and spend a lot of time with the kids and make all this money to secure their futures. But at the same time they need to realize that their popularity and bankability is not guaranteed to last. Then what?

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60. "RE: money corrupts,sometimes"
Right on about the Roloffs.They are a hard working family,esp. Matt.And they paid for the addition to their house,we know this because Matt and Amy fought alot over the loans and financing.Also,their kids seem to be having relatively normal lives and are allowed to see their extended family and have friends.Jon and Kate have taken their kids cuteness straight to the bank.They seem to think this will be a long-term career for them.Don't they know the tups are getting older every day?
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61. "RE: money corrupts,sometimes"
>On the one hand, I
>can understand J&K liking the
>idea of being able to
>stay home and spend a
>lot of time with the
>kids and make all this
>money to secure their futures.
> But at the same
>time they need to realize
>that their popularity and bankability
>is not guaranteed to last.
> Then what?


Hopefully they're saving for the future.

If *I* had 6 toddlers at home, and were in J&K's position, I would certainly stay home with them!! Any idea what daycare costs these days, for 8 kids? Yikes. If they can afford to stay home and raise their own kids, woohoo for them!

The Little People don't have toddlers, so of course they "work". I guess J&K should turn down every opportunity they get and every dime they're earning by having a program about their family. They should reject it all and go work 9-5 and put the kids in daycare. Ummm, why again? I just don't get it.

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62. "day care for 6"
Even though nurses can make good money, there is no way they could afford day care for 6. In my area, in which the standard of living is very affordable, day care runs $50 a day per child. At $300 day X 5 days a week... $1500 a week for day car is atronomical. Also, not all nurses work 9-5. If she ended up on second or third shift, the day care options are cut in half. Very few day cares have evening hours and when they do, the hourly rate is higher.

Staying at home was really her best option. But like previous posters, I do hope that they are putting away a nest egg for college tuitions and later in life.

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65. "RE: money corrupts,sometimes"
While I agree that one parent would optimally stay home with younger children, the kids are now 4 and technically aren't toddlers anymore. I think they go to preschool part-time and may begin kindergarten next year. So I'm not sure why both parents are unable to work outside the home? Obviously, TLC is paying enough to Jon and Kate so that they don't have to work, that is their income. Is the trade off worth it for Jon? Being constantly belittled, berated and treated like a second class citizen. It sure wouldn't be worth it to me.


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68. "RE: money corrupts,sometimes"
It's not that they're UNABLE to work outside the home, they don't HAVE to. Big difference. I know if I didn't HAVE to, I wouldn't leave my 6 small children at home with one parent all day if I didn't HAVE to. In their situation, going to work would be like getting a break or going on vacation.
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72. "RE: money corrupts,sometimes"
My quote: Obviously, TLC is paying enough to Jon and Kate so that they don't have to work, that is their income. Bolded for emphasis.

Where did I say they were unable to work outside the home?


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74. "RE: money corrupts,sometimes"
"Where did I say they were unable to work outside the home?"


Umm, in post #65 that I responded to in the sentance prior to the one you quoted.


"So I'm not sure why both parents are unable to work outside the home?"

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64. "RE: The problem with free mansions....."
cause i am sure when we all see the BIG mansion while all the rest of us are losing our jobs and or tightening the belts there is gonna be LOTS of resentment. so i hope they are ready for the backlash. mollytv

that's exactly what I was thinking. I and everyone else I know is struggling right now, to make do with less. All expenses are rising, groceries, gas, utilities, health insurance, and some people are in homes that have lost so much value that they owe more than what remains on their mortgage.

Then we see Jon and Kate, neither of whom work outside the home, moving into a huge mansion. And Kate is still complaining! I am sure most people are thinking she should just shut her yap and be grateful to have a roof over her head!

And would someone please tell me what work Kate does around the house, besides clean a refridgerator with a q-tip for four fricken hours? It's like Jon is the manservant. Cinderfella.



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67. "RE: The problem with free mansions....."
Sounds kindof bitter and jealous to me. I'm not well off, but I certainly don't get all upset every time I see someone who is on TV.

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71. "RE: The problem with free mansions....."
You have hit the nail squarely on the head True. Yes, I've been uncovered for who and what I truly am!!!! A bitter and jealous person. I'm so ashamed - wahhhhhhhhhhhh!

Not.

Whatever True. You don't agree with my perceptions, that's fine. If it makes you feel better to denigrate me, by all means feel free.


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73. "RE: The problem with free mansions....."
I'm sorry you're so offended by how I perceived your comments on the topic. I don't see where I was sarcastic or nasty in my observations, but whatever back at ya. *insert eyeroll here*

Comments that indicate resentment against people with nice houses, that don't have to leave the home to work, just seem, well, kinda bitter and jealous. I get the bashing of how Kate seemingly treats Jon, or that she is some kind of militant neat freak. What I don't get is all the petty bashing of how they get free stuff (yeah, like anybody would turn it down) and whining about how they should get regular jobs. In their position, I say soak the network for all you can get, because it won't last forever. I certainly don't pretend to be on some moral high ground stating that I'd turn it all down and get a REAL job, so I'll continue calling b.s. when I see it. Nothing personal.

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76. "RE: The problem with free mansions....."
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You've described my comments as indicative of someone who is bitter, jealous and a whiner, yet seem surprised I took it personally.

From this point forward, I hope we can disagree on this show and the behaviors exhibited by Kate without being disagreeable to one another personally.


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120. "RE: The problem with free mansions....."
that cracked me up 4 hours with qtips and toothpics to clean the refrigerator. a million dollar home and a dirty refrigerator

darn she didnt do it right she should have asked for a new one
she gets everything else she wants

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63. "RE: The problem with free mansions....."
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A very good question. I often wonder what will happen to them when eventually TLC opts not to renew their series. The
kids are cute now but I think they've kind of tapped the well dry now. Really how many more free trips can they take? I guess maybe a cruise would be next? And then what? They've lost a bit of that shine.

Do were really want to see the six little ones at 13? Stuffed into their high chairs still with bibs? Or Mady at 17?

What is up with the bibs on those 4 year olds? And still in high chairs? I'm not sure my son even sat in his high chair when he was two -- he certainly didn't want to, and I think I allowed him to sit in a regular chair, first with a booster seat and then on his own, even though he had to sit tall to reach his plate. But he wanted to, and I figured why not? Same with a bib -- I had a plastic table cloth and linoleum kitchen floor -- so if he dropped something on the table, the floor or himself - no biggie. That's what a sponge is for, or spray stain remover and a washer.

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66. "RE: The problem with free mansions....."
I think Kate is trying to keep the kids looking like babies, by having them in high chairs and bibs.

Because once that cute factor goes away, the ratings are likely to drop off.


Did anyone notice in last night's moving in episode, the fridge looked different than the one she spent 4 hours cleaning last week?

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69. "RE: The problem with free mansions....."
Umm, so you're saying that cleaning up after ONE 4 year old is as easy as cleaning up after 6, plus 2 other kids? Uhhh, ok. I only have 2 kids, and the laundry is out of control. I crack up at the stuff getting criticized in this family. Clearly, people don't like Kate, but most of the complaints really come across as petty. I can bash with the best of them, but saying that 4 year olds aren't technically toddlers, and should be allowed to make whatever mess...well, seems a tad high and mighty, not to mention unrealistic.

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70. "RE: The problem with free mansions....."
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True - you clearly are offended by my remarks, as you've seemed to single those out for responses. I did not say it was just as easy to clean up after one 4 year old as it is to clean up after 6. I merely pointed out that it's a bit unusual to have four year olds still sitting in high chairs and wearing bibs. I then shared my own personal experience in raising my own son.

Kate's got some problems -- one huge problem is she freaks out when her kids get even slightly messy. It's so bad, she doesn't even let them play with Play Do in the house.

When my son was in pre-school, I volunteered one morning a week in his classroom. There was a teacher, an assistant and sometimes a parent volunteer like myself. There were 11 or 12 three year olds in that classroom. (The normal daily ratio was one adult per 5 or 6 3-year olds)

The children did not put on bibs at snack time or lunch time. They were allowed to use Play Do indoors. They did finger painting, although they did wear old men's shirts as smocks.

The teacher was a calm and organized woman who loved children. The classroom noise level was not allowed to rise about a certain level. There was a sense of order, happy children playing, etc.

My point being, that Kate has her built-in helper, Jon, and between them they were dealing with 6 three-year olds that day. (The twins were not present, probably at school) That's a ratio of one adult per three kids. It's a pretty decent ratio quite frankly.

I grew up with 7 siblings. My mom had three children in diapers (back in the day when you didn't have disposables) at one point. She had five kids under the age of 8 at another. Never once did I see my mom behave like Kate, or treat my dad like a doormat. I used to like this show, and I felt sympathetic toward Kate and how she dealt with the needs of 8 children. But over time, she's become quite unlikeable to me. She seems cold-hearted and unwilling to accept that some of her behaviors are just plain wrong. I can't stand her anymore.


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75. "RE: The problem with free mansions....."
>True - you clearly are offended
>by my remarks, as you've
>seemed to single those out
>for responses.

I've responded to others in this thread, but I responded to you in direct response to your response to me. I thought that was how these things went. *shrug*

I did
>not say it was just
>as easy to clean up
>after one 4 year old
>as it is to clean
>up after 6. I
>merely pointed out that it's
>a bit unusual to have
>four year olds still sitting
>in high chairs and wearing
>bibs. I then shared
>my own personal experience in
>raising my own son.

I thought you did. Your personal experience is no where near the same. 1 at a time does not equal 6.

>Kate's got some problems -- one
>huge problem is she freaks
>out when her kids get
>even slightly messy. It's
>so bad, she doesn't even
>let them play with Play
>Do in the house.

I am far from a neat freak, but I don't see what the big deal is about this. Ever try to get playdoh out of a carpet?
>

>When my son was in pre-school,
>I volunteered one morning a
>week in his classroom.
>There was a teacher, an
>assistant and sometimes a parent
>volunteer like myself. There
>were 11 or 12 three
>year olds in that classroom.
> (The normal daily ratio
>was one adult per 5
>or 6 3-year olds)

A couple of hours at a preschool is not the same as 24/7 at home!

>
>The children did not put on
>bibs at snack time or
>lunch time. They were
>allowed to use Play Do
>indoors. They did finger
>painting, although they did wear
>old men's shirts as smocks.


*see above. Schools are designed for this stuff, the typical home is not set up like a daycare center. Bad comparison. Smock/Bib, really what's the difference? Clothes are expensive and protecting a 4 year olds clothing from stains doesn't seem all that crazy to me, especially when you multiply the laundry load x10.


>The teacher was a calm and
>organized woman who loved children.
> The classroom noise
>level was not allowed to
>rise about a certain level.
>There was a sense of
>order, happy children playing, etc.

And she probably runs to the nearest bar after work to slam tequlia shots. Just kidding, but really, it's not 24/7, and it's their JOB to behave that way.

>My point being, that Kate has
>her built-in helper, Jon, and
>between them they were dealing
>with 6 three-year olds that
>day. (The twins were
>not present, probably at school)
>That's a ratio of one
>adult per three kids.
>It's a pretty decent ratio
>quite frankly.

Well, IMO, they are doing all right because if I were home 24/7 with 8 little kids I'd be pulling my hair out!
>
>I grew up with 7 siblings.
> My mom had three
>children in diapers (back in
>the day when you didn't
>have disposables) at one point.
> She had five kids
>under the age of 8
>at another. Never once
>did I see my mom
>behave like Kate, or treat
>my dad like a doormat.

Sounds like you had a great Mom! My husband grew up with 6 siblings and alcoholic parents. Not everyone is cut out to be a parent, and certainly it takes extraordinary people to be great parents to such large families. 3 in diapers? Yikes, but double that to 6, and perhaps your Mom might have been different. Who knows.

> I used to like
>this show, and I felt
>sympathetic toward Kate and how
>she dealt with the needs
>of 8 children. But
>over time, she's become quite
>unlikeable to me. She
>seems cold-hearted and unwilling to
>accept that some of her
>behaviors are just plain wrong.
> I can't stand her
>anymore.

Well, that is obvious. I have only seen the show a few times, and while I find her a bit annoying, I find Jon equally annoying. In fact, I think he likes to push her buttons. Hey, that's what makes it interesting. If it was all lollipops and roses, I doubt anyone would be watching. They are DAWs after all.

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77. "RE: The problem with free mansions....."
>A couple of hours at a preschool is not the same as 24/7 at home! >

I'm sorry I wasn't more clear. My son attended pre-school full time from the age of 3, as I worked full time outside the home. It was a full day for both the children and the teacher, five days a week. sorry if it sounded like it was merely a couple of hours.

>And she probably runs to the nearest bar after work to slam tequlia shots. Just kidding, but really, it's not 24/7, and it's their JOB to behave that way. >

Yes, teachers, especially those that deal with young children, should be people who have both the disposition and the training to behave calmly. I think before a person has infertility treatments, they should give serious thought to how prepared they are for multiple children at once. Can they handle it financially? How will they deal with three, four, five or maybe six little ones at once? What is their support system? If they HAD to do it alone, would that just make them absolutely miserable? I don't know, but it seems like those might be a good questions to ask oneself before embarking for the second time upon that path.

>Sounds like you had a great Mom! My husband grew up with 6 siblings and alcoholic parents. Not everyone is cut out to be a parent, and certainly it takes extraordinary people to be great parents to such large families. 3 in diapers? Yikes, but double that to 6, and perhaps your Mom might have been different. Who
knows. >

I do have a great mom and a great dad. Their example is probably why I'm so dismayed by much of what I see on this show. I no longer think either Jon or Kate are good examples, but I give Jon props for at least interacting and letting the kids be kids sometimes.


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78. "in the woods"
hey! i have to say...i laughed quite a few times this episode.
man kate has those kids so scared of dirt and the outdoors...i loved when jon grabbed the stick and broke it...and the girls were all drama! like daddy is ripping the head off the kitty..lol

i wonder who will be the first to fall down the stairs? i know that sounds cruel but i mean those kids are mean and someone is gonna get pushed...and by the way...where has mady and cara been?

and jon telling kate he took the kids on the tractor while the other kids hung around...lol...kate was freaking out....who is watching the kids? i guess she forgot about the camera man.

could she get any farther away from jon on the couch? lol

jon also made me laugh about the poor cat seeing 6 4yr olds with sticks in the door...thats a funny site.
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79. "RE: in the woods"
wow..i can't believe there are no comments on the new puppies.
what a show. mady screaming and crying because mommy and daddy named them. i remember that was the most fun when we were little kids and our parents let us name the family dog. now mind you...they persuaded us on different names but we did get to pick.
that is ridiculous control. why not let the kids pick one and the parents pick the other....i don't understand.

and those poor puppies....good thing they will grow up big.
crack me up...aaden..."i am afraid of dogs"..what isn't he afraid of? he's a mommy's boy in training. what will kate say about that when he grows up and has to tell her...i guess its against their religion ..so he will be the first one kicked out.
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what is up with Kate lately- she looks awful!
last few episodes she has huge bags under her eyes
and now she looks emaciated- her neck looks really weird



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81. "RE: Kate"
I'd like to think it was guilt, eating away at her until she can't stand it and takes some parenting classes, stops berating her husband like the Katezilla she is (TM Joel McHale), stops making her kids cry by being so self-centered and "it's all about me!", etc., etc.

I was wondering the same thing - from her practically dozing off on the couch during a recent episode, to the increase in nastiness to Jon, mixed with the fact that they obviously don't like each other any more, makes me wonder if Kate's world is starting to crumble. I mean, she's apparently driven away every relative and friend who has been part of their lives -- it has to wear on a person to wake up in the night and realize -- "hey, I'm basically friendless and even my husband can't stand me anymore."

Plus, I don't think she enjoys the little details that are involved in being a mom. She likes the idea of being a mom of multiples, but the actuality is so messy and tiring and kids so often just won't go along with her program and do inconvenient things like cry when you won't let them name their new puppies. Don't even get me started on how they sometimes get sick too!


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82. "RE: Kate"
I can't believe neat freak Kate got TWO dogs!

I was watching the orginal footage- surviving Twins and Sextuplets- I cannot believe how much she changed from then until now. There were way more people- family & friends- in their life then. Did anyone read her book (I did not) I wondered if she explained away anyone?

Duggers and Roloffs are so much better!


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83. "RE: Kate"
I really like the Roloffs. I do cringe when I see the mess in the house - because I hate clutter. But I still love Amy Roloff - she's got such a great attitude about life and not letting your differences limit what you can do. Both parents have really set wonderful examples for their children, and the kids seem very normal, well-adjusted and basically very nice! The usual teenage stuff with Molly tuning out her mom or dad when they want her to clean up - lol. Some fighting amongst the kids -- but what I love is seeing also how they do things together and support each other. Hmmm, better take this to the Little People, Big World thread, if there is one


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84. "RE: Kate"
Jon and Kate has become a joyless experience to watch.There is no resemblance now to the original shows.Everybody involved looks miserable.
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85. "RE: Kate"
I know- what happened? I went from loving this show to hating this show in one season- and I don't even read the online blog stuff. The whole tone of the show has changed so much. I know they always argued alot and Kate was kind of neurotic- but now it's all just so annoying.


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86. "RE: Kate"
I only watch the show occasionally now and I used to not be able to miss it. I want less Jon and Kate.... and more kids. I like watching them interact with each other. I hate watching Kate and Jon's commentary at the end.
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121. "RE: Kate"
what got me is the little kids cleaning up the wet spots from the puppies

ohhhhhhhhh man was Kate slipping, how nasty for her babies to touch dog pee...

she wasnt right there to clean their hands and use bacterial hand soap.. she slipped on that one

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87. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
Watching them return to the old house last night to give it the final clean out was continuing the crazy that is Kate.

Her idea of decluttering. Throw everything out that was Jon's.

Jon desperately trying to take apart the swing set because it was the last thing he had of his dad's that he gave them. That broke my heart. Because Kate has made sure to throw out everything else out! It struck me as "well that's a two or three man job to do that" But then I remembered, they have no one left that they talk to anymore.

One of the little boys asking at the end "Are we moving back?" in a hopeful and confused little voice only to be barked at by his mom "No say Bye House!" He's four Kate! As much as you hated that house, that was his HOME!!! He saw nothing wrong with it.

Enjoy the McMansion your children bought for you Kate. Hope it fills the hole in your heart where all you family you don't speak to should be.

In 20 years, I'm waiting for the tell all book from one of these kids.

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88. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
i put my finger on it with tonights episode...i know what is bugging me lately...it seems kate is talking to "us" as in ..to the camera instead of just living her life around the camera..
she makes jokes and looks at the camera guy to see if he laughs, she talks to the camera to explain when the couch is not near her. she sends the kids off...did anyone notice no one is paying the dogs any attention? especially not the kids. hmmm.
wonder how soon they will tell us the dogs just didn't work out and they had to find them a good home cause the kids are allergic to them?

i hope kate will finally relax after all the stuff is put away and she can enjoy life around her...because cats in the cradle baby....she is gonna turn around and they'll all be walking out the door and she'll find she forgot to participate with them.

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89. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
I have been thinking the exact same thing.... tell all book. If she is as uptight with the kids when they become teens, she will be lucky if they aren't the world's most rebellious teens. Even good kids rebel.
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90. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
For what it is worth, Star magazine has a story about John partying several nights with a bunch of college coeds. Kind of makes you wonder....

(And Kate does not seem to be the forgiving type)

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92. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
>For what it is worth, Star
>magazine has a story about
>John partying several nights with
>a bunch of college coeds.
> Kind of makes you
>wonder....
>
>(And Kate does not seem to
>be the forgiving type)


Makes you wonder if he had to sleep that night in one of their several "out buildings" on the property.

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91. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
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LAST EDITED ON 03-08-09 AT 01:44 AM (EST)

I didn't watch the episode because I told myself not to add to their ratings But I was watching LPBW today, the two parter with Amy and the kids going to Michigan and then meeting up with Matt in Detroit for a little people convention. Great shows. There was one especially sweet moment, very understated, between Molly and her mom. They're at the tee-shirt store and Amy is writing down what the t-shirts should read. Molly is playing with Amy's hair as she stands behind her. It's just so telling of the sort of quiet affection you hope you and your kids can share.

Then Jon & Kate came on and I stayed watching a bit longer. It was fun to see the kids running around the old house. But what is up with Kate? Is she going to a tanning bed, or getting spray tan? She is a very strange shade of orangy-tan -- isn't it winter time when this stuff is being filmed? And the constant tugging on her earring? Weird.

I saw someone else commenting on how she plays more and more to the camera. It's not so much that the camera is quietly following and recording, it's like she is giving a tour of her life.

I didn't stick around long enough to see the shrew emerge, although I'm sure it did. However, I realized in the few minutes I watched that Kate is boring. Bor to the ing!

I hope the show fades away into the sunset, but would love to see a follow up show where she and Jon are forced to live like the rest of us, searching for jobs in today's marketplace, freaking out over their property taxes on the McMansion, and selling the tanning bed on eBay to help pay the massive utility bill they run up every month because Kate loves to do laundry 24/7.

On a related note, Table for 12 looks promising -- would dearly love to see another show with tups give them a run for their money, especially if the husband and wife are mature adults who believe in respecting each other and their children. Now that would be something to see.


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I just read this little article in People Magazine with Jon saying "I did not cheat on Kate". He said he made some mistakes and it's hard that Kate is all famous and he's nothing. Kind of made me feel bad for Jon. (sorta)

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94. "RE: People Magazine"
I always feel (sorta) bad for Jon. He's not the sharpest tool in the shed, but no one deserves to be treated as Kate treats him.


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95. "RE: People Magazine"
>LAST EDITED ON 03-13-09
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>
>I just read this little article
>in People Magazine with Jon
>saying "I did not cheat
>on Kate". He said
>he made some mistakes and
>it's hard that Kate is
>all famous and he's nothing.
> Kind of made me
>feel bad for Jon. (sorta)
>


I read it too but I felt it was a well crafted PR statement if there was ever one. Frankly he's made a job out of this too. He's hardly suffering from the fame. It sure didn't stop him from accepting free hair plugs and all those trips. I think he was just stupid. Out from Kate's thumb for a change and got drunk. Big deal.

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96. "RE: People Magazine"
i bet he would be so much fun to party with. lol...he has a great sense of humor but kate can't stop cleaning and bossing to notice.

i doubt they will break up but it should be interesting to find the episode AFTER he was caught...

they will probably make a show out of it..and spin it.
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season finale coming up next week

Jon & Kate looking uncomfortable on the interview seat
Kate saying we have some problems
Jon saying we have some issues (or I have some issues)

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98. "RE: season finale 3/23"
Hmmmm, will there be another trip to Dr. Phil's show, for some couples therapy this time? Maybe Dr. Phil will gift them the cost of ongoing therapy!


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99. "RE: season finale 3/23"
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>
>season finale coming up next week
>
>
>Jon & Kate looking uncomfortable on
>the interview seat
>Kate saying we have some problems
>
>Jon saying we have some issues
>(or I have some issues)
>


Once again we see Kate doing what she does best, being in control the whole time.

Since this is Jon's "issue" shouldn't Jon be the one to talk about it? Nope, not in Kate's world. She's enjoying the freebies, trips, book tours, etc to much to give it up. So she's got to spin spin spin Jon's latest mishap of going out and getting hammered with college kids. Hey Jon, hard to feel sorry for you when you're living in a mansion you did nothing to earn. Your kids bought it, not you!

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100. "Two part season finale "
First thing I have to get off my chest is this:

Kate, for pete's sake, lay off the spray tan!! You're in Pennsylvania in late winter and that bright orange sheen on your skin just looks weird. Sure, maybe celebrities like J-Lo get high falutin' spray tan year round, but you're supposed to be the embodiment of a harried mom of multiples, not some wanna be F-list celebrity, so ease off a bit before George Harrison sets up an intervention for you.

Whew, okay, now that I have that out of the way ... on to the next pet peeve.

Why does Kate insist on dressing her children in matching outfits, even the 8-year old twins? My mom is an identical twin, and she said that was something she and her sister both disliked. In their case, their mom listened to their protests and let them dress differently when they began grade school. Children should be allowed to be individuals. First for the Oprah show, and then for the Globetrotters, Kate made them wear matching outfits! She gave some odd reasoning like she didn't want them to looked striped (like her hair?), but I think the real reason is she wanted them to stand out as much as possible. She feeds off the attention.

Another question I have -- why won't she let Hannah get her hair cut, when Hannah says that's what she wants? On the other hand, Cara doesn't want her hair cut, and Kate insists upon it. Is this just power for the sake of exercising power?

Yet another question -- why did she pick out muted colors for the kids' art project? Why can't the children pick the colors they want, if that's supposedly their project? Answer - because Kate is going to hang them in the basement and just like their clothing, they have to "match." What kind of mom is more concerned with the decor of her basement than in letting her kids express themselves naturally?

Finally, poor Jon looked like a dog who has been beaten last night. Apparently he went out drinking at some bar, some pictures were taken of him hanging out with college girls, and now he's crying about he can't be "just Jon" anymore. He looked absolutely miserable, sometimes on the verge of tears, and clearly doesn't want to continue with Season 5, but as usual, Kate basically tuned him out, talked over him, and said she loves her "job"! Ergo, the Kate has spoken, and the show will continue, and Jon will stay at home to care for the children, along with their non-nanny helper, because that's what Kate says he must do.

If there weren't children involved, it might be slightly amusing to watch this as this train wreck of a marriage is derailed by Kate's enormous ego.


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101. "RE: Two part season finale "
Why does Kate insist on dressing her children in matching outfits, even the 8-year old twins?

It's strange that you say that, because I distinctly remember noticing that Cara and Mady had on different outfits for the Harlem Globetrotters thing. I noticed it because it was weird.

I agree that Jon looks totally done. He is done with living in the microcosm of TV life and wants some normalcy back, but I think Kate will get her way. She always does. I wonder if they will have to change it to "Kate plus 8". LOL

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102. "RE: Two part season finale "
i also noticed this because i was trying to pay attention to mady's reaction on the sidelines to cara being the one "chosen" to go out on the court and get all the attention...mady is gonna have one exciting book when she tells all. i noticed mady was not smiling but how cute that some of the little kids ran out to hug cara as she was coming off the court.

as for the jon being done with the whole thing...wow...i totally agree...he wants to be just a family and she LOVES being famous and you can tell she is not about to give up this gravy train. jon might have to get off at the next stop.

it seemed the entire time she was with the kids on her excursions she "narrated" to the cameras as if the guys behind the cameras were her friends and she was flirting with them.

i will say that jon still gets to throw in some good eye rolls and zingers...about the paintings...but KATE! why did you have to choose the colors to match the freakin basement...who cares? its from your kids...thats what matters. my in laws still have framed fingerpainting from my husband and his siblings hanging in their old houses and they are TERRIBLE...lol...but its cherished works of art alongside real art.
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103. "RE: Two part season finale "
i also noticed this because i was trying to pay attention to mady's reaction on the sidelines to cara being the one "chosen" to go out on the court and get all the attention...

I know. I was waiting for a Mady meltdown.

It was strange that Mady was barely on camera. I felt that maybe there could have been some editing of that. Do you think Kate told her if she has any fits, she won't be on the show much?

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104. "RE: Two part season finale "
did someone else say this...what perfect names for the twins?

mady : who is mad all the time
cara : who seems to be the caring one?

i agree about mady being mostly off camera last night...hmm.
wonder if they asked her if she wanted to be filmed? and who knows ...mady may have said...NO...

this show is so much more about what is NOT shown and the body cues...which was ear candy when kate had to bring up why the couch sucks and why they look like they are sitting as far apart from each other as possible...its the COUCH's fault!

this tells me one thing...they read these blogs...maybe not this one specifically but most of them say the same things. and jon is a computer nerd like most husbands...

oh and tell me allstate or whatever insurance company he was at the computer filling out paperwork with was not a paid advertisement....you can't just show any company on tv without their permission. so obvious.
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105. "RE: Two part season finale "

>
>It was strange that Mady was
>barely on camera. I felt
>that maybe there could have
>been some editing of that.
>Do you think Kate told
>her if she has any
>fits, she won't be on
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I think the show is starting to edit her out. Because no body on any of these forums cares to see another Mady meltdown.

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106. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
Expert body language analysis:

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107. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
Don't personally know this family or it's members. What I do know comes via the television and as we all know "reality" shows are rarely reality after the editing process. With that said it does seem that this family very well may be accurately portrayed. After all, I can't see as to why Kate, the control freak, would allow such manipulation.

Kate is right when she says that they can never go back to before...when there were no camaras. I think Jon realizes and knows that or maybe he doesn't. Assuming he does it then only seems logical to think that there are more reasons to him wanting the camaras ditched. After all, nasty rumors will be spread regardless of the show still running or not. If I was to take a "stab in the dark" I would say it's due to Kate's treatment of him. It seems to me that Kate, in an effort to show off, may be more rude to Jon when camaras are around. It's bad enough for an individual to have a spouse treat you the way Kate treats Jon...it's even more demeaning when it's done in the public eye.

If Kate truly is about family then she needs to make a decision on what's best for the family rather than what's fun for her. Her husband wants the camaras gone and having the camaras pointed at her children (especially Mady) when they act out only reinforces that they get the attention in a negative way rather than by positive action. For the Gossselin family's sake the show needs to go.

Even if the camaras dissappear Kate needs to ease up. I love that she has organization and structure. It's certainly admirable, especially with having twins and sextuplets. However, a lot of her ways are control for more her benefit than that of her family. I understand dressing the children in matching outfits when going out...it's easier to keep track of them. At home however let them be the individuals that they are. Kate appreciated how much her brother cared enough to say hi to each one of the children by their names rather than saying "hey kids" so why isn't she respecting their individuality herself? I was also bothered that she feels the need to control so much that the artwork of her children needs to match the basement! Who really cares! Being that they have a bigger family means that the children will have less chance of making personal choices, so when it's something small (like what color paint they will use) let them have it. Don't give something to your children if you aren't going to fully give it. Like the time they went to the Crayola Factory and were so limited. Hello! Cheap white t-shirts...then if they got anything on it then oh well....why bring them there in the first place?

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108. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
wow that was an amazing analysis....and so true...i feel sorry for both of them...they just need a good counselor...i think they started out on the same path and jon just needs to learn how to deal with kate....
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109. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
I've seen this show off and on....but you could tell then in season 3 Jon was done because he kept saying the kids did this in this season or that season instead of they did this when they were one, two or three......

You can tell he just doesn't know how to turn the camera's off and he needs his time and Kate is just not going to give it to him. I remember how playful Jon was with Kate but now you never see that.

Marriage is work....from both people and when one is not working on it and the other has given up...this is what you get....frustration. I hope they make it and I hope they get the cameras away soon.

And for those who say Kate shouldn't dress them the same....at least they are not like the Duggin's and not only dress them the same but name them the same....lol.....


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110. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
Things have changed so much on this show. When we first met Jon & Kate they were living in the "real world" and now Kate is all about the fame. You used to see people in their lives like Aunt Jodi, Beth, Carla ect. Now it seems they have shut out everyone they ever knew that helped them get to where they are. They won't even let the new babysitter be on TV. I'm sure they think then the'd have to pay her more and that would be taking money away from their cash cow. It seems like she is getting so used to having everything given to them. They have moved twice in like 4 years, Jon has been able to quit his job, they go all around the country on free trips, not a care in the world. When do they do normal stuff like letting the twins have sleepovers? We never see any of J & K friends, family nothing. It's like they are in their own little world. Speaking of little world I have found that I love little people big world much more now. They are living in a much "realer" world than J & K. They show the kids doing what normal kids do with their friends and family. But they also show the struggles they have to. Yes they go on great trips and have a nice house too but they just seem like hard working good parents raising good kids.
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111. "TV mom, author Kate Gosselin goes solo for 2 metro Detroit shows"
TV mom, author Kate Gosselin goes solo for 2 metro Detroit shows

Some interesting info and comments by Kate.


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112. "RE: TV mom, author Kate Gosselin goes solo for 2 metro Detroit shows"
I've seen her called this generation's Mommie Dearest and have to agree.


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113. "i give them a year"
well after watching kate and the go green guy flirt( i guess mocking someone for 3 days is how kate flirts) all throughout the go green episode and her talking to no one else but the camera.....i believe kate and jon will be announcing their divorce in a year.

then i opened the gossip website to see jon has been spotted AGAIN in pa with a young girl coming out of a club late at night.

the new show will be called nanny and kate plus 8 or kate and her dates plus 8.

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114. "Jon steppin' out?"
Jon Gosselin says the paparazzi photos of him leaving a bar with an unidentified woman "showed poor judgment."

The father of eight was photographed, sans wedding ring, leaving Legends Lounge near his Pennsylvania home with a woman around 2 a.m. on April 18, Us Weekly reports. According to the report, he was overheard calling the woman "babe" and urged her to get into his car when cameras started flashing.

"Like most people, I have male and female friends and I'm not going to end my friendships just because I'm on TV," Gosselin said in a statement to TVGuide.com. "However, being out with them late at night showed poor judgment on my part. What makes me sick, is that my careless behavior has put my family in this uncomfortable position. My family is the most important thing in my life and it kills me that these allegations have hurt them."

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Jon-Kate-Plus-1005592.aspx

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115. "RE: Jon steppin' out?"
Jon is a complete idiot. Stoopid doesn't even cover it. I love that he supposedly had to go talk to the owner of a local bar at 12:30 p.m. Hmmmm, who was watching the kids? Kate was away in Bellevue, WA doing her fabulously fahbulous book tour! I guess is must have been the non-nanny who works "various hours", like in the middle of the night, in case Jon-boy wants to go trolling for some 20-something chickadee.

Methinks Kate will take away his car privileges for a long, long time! Maybe he'll be grounded to his apartment above the garage. Or maybe he'll run home to his mommy. That this manchild is father to eight young children is pretty sad. Only thing sadder is that Kate is their mother!

I sure hope the not-a-nanny nanny is a decent and caring person, since neither parent is.

You're doing a heckuva job TLC! What other lowlifes are you courting for your next reality tv show? A leetle request -- next time, could you not include innocent children? Hmmmm?


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116. "RE: Jon steppin' out?"

When he got caught the first time going out and getting loaded, I felt a little "oh come on. If you were married to her, you would need a good night out here and there too" Of course his claims of "oh I can't just be Jon, I have to be Jon and Kate Plus 8" just sounded more like "i'm not sorry, I'm just sorry I got caught" whining of a 10 year old.

But this is the second time. And in a two seater sports car. That when you think about it, his kids bought him. What a pratical purchase Jon. A two seater, when you have 8 kids. Oh we're suppose to feel bad for you that you are being followed when you go out at midnight to talk to a bar owner. Funny how that bar doesn't have a phone that you could call him on. Or email him from one of your countless lap tops?

This is going to be one ugly divorce which will happen as soon as TLC pulls the plug on this BS!

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117. "RE: Jon steppin' out?"
Apparently, this is still a big money maker for TLC so I don't see them pulling the plug anytime soon. Maybe the tie-ins will change. A show with Dr. Phil, where they air their dirty laundry and Dr. Phil counsels them. A show with Dr. Drew, where Jon admits he's got a drinking problem and Dr. Drew counsel them.

Or maybe a reality show about divorce, where we get to see all the wackiness of fighting over shared custody, who gets the house that the kids bought, even nastier name-calling than before, and then the introduction of the new person mommy/daddy is dating to the kids. If there's money to be made, you can be sure Jon, Kate and TLC will be there with bells on.


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122. "RE: Jon steppin' out?"
US Magazine has lots of interesting little tidbits about them and the story generally talks about how Kate is not a nice person (what a surprise). A "source" does say that for whatever reason, John truly does love her though and worries constantly about staying in her good graces.

Imagine if down the road, a TLC crew member writes a book. That would be some juicy stuff!

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123. "Jon & Kate Dad's Three-Month Affair Confirmed "
Ouch....

Jon & Kate Dad's Three-Month Affair Confirmed

but then maybe not?

Woman Linked to Jon Gosselin Says She's Devastated by the Lies


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124. "RE: Jon & Kate Dad's Three-Month Affair Confirmed "
I'm sorry I don't have links, but apparently the stories continue to abound, with the supposed other woman and her brother telling conflicting stories. There are photographs of this woman sunning herself at the home Jon shares with Kate and the kids, apparently while Kate was away on one of her book signing tours.

Also video of Jon leaving the woman's house in the early hours.

He apparently also told a group of college age girls that he and his wife were separated and getting a divorce.

Who knows what is true, but this much seems clear -- this marriage is seriously troubled. In hindsight, all that folderol of going to Hawaii to renew their marriage vows, swearing they will always be together, should have been a clear sign they were already floudering.


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125. "RE: Jon & Kate Dad's Three-Month Affair Confirmed "
Kate responds:

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/entertainment/NATL-Jon--Kate-Mom-.html

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126. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
I hate her new hairdo--what's up with smooth and flat in the front and chicken's arse in the back? She looks like she forgot to brush the back.


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127. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
I saw one interview with her when she said that she would like some privacy to get through this, but you can't have it both ways. When you invite cameras into your home, and use media to push your various projects, then you should expect that cameras will catch everything. I know that she has control in her home with the cameras, but try as she might, she can't control the rest of the world.
(BTW, I read that their new house sits on 36 acres. Being in the public eye has been very, very good to them)
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129. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"

1.3 million bucks/6200 sq. feet

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128. "RE: Jon & Kate plus 8 season 2"
Chicken's arse?

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130. "Jon & Kate Bang 8"
So Kate's supposedly doing it with her bodyguard while Jon opts for a third-grade teacher?

Hmmm.

No wonder they need 36 acres. It's hard to secretly make out in the woods without your spouse knowing if you have less space.

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131. "RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8"
I think it is time for TLC to pull the plug on this show. It has just gotten sad, creepy and disgusting. Are there still fans out there?

I only watched the show Table for Twelve once, but this seems like a more normal family (so far, that is).

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132. "RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8"
Wow, how low can this couple go to make money? I thought it was bad enough that they put their 8 kids on display with multiple shows per year, all their private and embarrassing moments captured on film, and the elimination of all friends and family who took care of them and loved them. But I guess that wasn't quite as low as they could go -- per Kevin and Aunt Jodi, Kate had a secret agreement drawn up. They would stay married for the show, but in name only. Jon was allowed to have girlfriends "on the side."

Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we sell out our kids in the name of money, fame, and greed.

I have to hand it to these two, especially Kate. You would have to go pretty far to find a mother more repulsive than her (and I'm not even talking about that chicken butt hairstyle of hers either).

I really feel for those kids. I sure hope the various nannies are decent, kind people, at the very least. Lord knows, their parents are low down, good-for-nothing liars.


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133. "RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8"
Where did you get this info? I haven't heard it anyplace else (yet).

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134. "RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8"
For what it's worth, here you go

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/05/exclusive-interview-jon-and-kate-shocker-her-brother-says-their-marriage-over

Here is one link, to a video interview (or parts of it) given by Kate's brother, Kevin, and his wife, "Aunt Jody."

http://www.starmagazine.com/kevin_kreider_jodi/news/15588

And here is another link, this time to Star Magazine. And yes, I do realize it's a gossip rag.


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135. "RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8"
And Jody was one of the people on the show that really came across as nice. Normally, I'd think that this kind of "rip" was an attempt at self-promotion, but it's not possible for me to believe that of Jody, considering that she was the one person that the kids really seemed to like -- and who really seemed to like them.

It's sad that the Gosselin marriage has become a total sham played out for the TV cameras, but it's not surprising. I always joked that I'd need to get drunk and stay drunk to be married to Kate. Apparently Jon agrees, considering all the stories about him being drunk.

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136. "RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8"
Yeah it's pretty bad when your own brother (Uncle Kevin) rips you like that (and kind of sticks up for Jon).


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138. "RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8"
I thought they both looked extremely uncomfortable as they were talking. I imagine this is a very painful thing to speak about publicly, and if there weren't children involved, they probably would have kept quiet.


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137. "RE: Jon & Kate Bang 8"
>And Jody was one of the people on the show that really came across as nice. Normally, I'd think that this kind of "rip" was an attempt at self-promotion, but it's not possible for me to believe that of Jody, considering that she was the one person that the kids really seemed to like -- and who really seemed to like them.

It's sad that the Gosselin marriage has become a total sham played out for the TV cameras, but it's not surprising. I always joked that I'd need to get drunk and stay drunk to be married to Kate. Apparently Jon agrees, considering all the stories about him being drunk. >

You know the crazy thing? I think Jon really still loves Kate. According to Kevin and Jodi, Kate told Jon the marriage was over about 6 months ago, and it's only since then that these stories and photos of him drinking til all hours at bars, hanging out with 20-somethings, etc., have surfaced. Strange as it seems, I think the guy is miserable over losing Kate and drowning his sorrows.

I also agree re Jodi. She could hardly bring herself to even whisper the word "affair." She seems like a genuinely nice person, and anyone who would agree to take in eight children, many of them sick with the flu, so your brother and sister in law could go to New York for a hair transplant - is a saint in my book.



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139. "People"
Kate on cover of People mag looking unhappy

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20278472,00.html


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140. "RE: People"
hmmm...saw them on entertainment tonight last night...they were at the birthday party after shopping for all the stuff...jon was there and talking to the bodyguard(supposedly having an affair with kate).

watching them from behind cameras....it looks so staged...and kate all dressed to kill now....no more mom clothes...she is a fashionista.
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141. "RE: People"
I agree -- the show is now becoming a docusoap. Maybe they should just focus on the affairs and leave the kids out of it.
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142. "RE: People"
Agreed! Free the Gosselin 8!


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143. "More Kate antics"
My goodness, Jon's going to have to write a tell-all book about living with the Dragon Lady.

http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/jon-%26-kate-plus-8-kate-gosselin-it-hell-being-on-magazine-covers-9006.php

Us Weekly's upcoming June 1 issue instead touches upon the couple's eight kids and paints Kate as a perfectionist who once reportedly fired 40 nurses and nurse's aides over a three month span.

40? Poor kids. We can change the channel. They have to live with her.

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144. "RE: More Kate antics"
In the People interview, which is the one that Kate says is the true story, she just keeps saying that she does what she does for the kids. It is so sad, because the kids don't need a huge house and everything else. It would be almost better if Kate just came out and admit that she does it all because she enjoys it. At least it would be honest. She really doesn't speak very well of Jon. I don't think that healing a damaged marriage is best done in People magazine, but what do I know.

Are the kids OK with Kate traveling so much because they realize that she is doing it so that they can have all that they do? It is just very sad and I think that TLC is now in the position of exploiting the situation also. They should just cancel the show and let the family work on things.
(However, if one of the TLC crew writes a tell all, I'll admit that I'll be first in line to by it.)

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145. "PR battle"
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People is about as objective a source as any other PR firm. Time Warner mistakenly opted to back Kate and is paying the price for it with reams of bad publicity trashing her. I loved US Weekly's cover story title: "Kate Gosselin: Mom to Monster."

http://www.nj.com/entertainment/celebrities/index.ssf/2009/05/report_kate_gosselin_fired_40.html

Us also dug up a 2005 story by the Associated Press in which a pre-fame Gosselin petitioned the state of Pennsylvania to extend Medicaid payments to Krall because Gosselin "feels society has a responsibility to help with the children, since modern medicine promotes the use of fertility drugs, which can lead to multiple births."

A rift also developed between Gosselin and her father, a pastor, after she rejected cribs donated by his parishioners because they didn't match.

Yes, TLC is clearly exploiting the children by continuing to air this psycho's ravings. I guess the Octomom had more reason to believe that she could duplicate Kate's success than most of us realized, because she and Kate are both horribly warped.

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146. "Opening Day"
I was flipping channels and saw the train wreak... it was sad to see for the kids.

'Jon & Kate' premier a little angry, uncomfortable

I also think her Detroit appearance did not go over well and a local DJ saw her holding hands with her body guard (I don't put a lot into that story). Kate forced Jon to work at home (which I think he hates) thus she can travel around and do what she likes. We'll see how it ends or if it does but they need to get off this show now but then the gravy train stops.


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147. "RE: Opening Day"
Egad, haven't watched just seen the "how dare I get media coverage that isn't exactly what I want it to be this so hard and bad" stories that seem to be popping up.

What part of whoring yourself out to the media eventually leads to tabloid stories did they miss about the last several thousand people this happened to. Honestly, they think they are the first and only people that the media ever turn on? This is what you signed up for, sorry it went the inevitable route this always goes.

If you go out looking for fame by putting yourself on TV you will eventually, if you get enough fame, end up in the tabloids. I would have thought some manager or agent or something would have let them in on the least kept secret in America. Once your real story gets old people start making stuff up, it's like the American Way!

The reports that this seems to be effecting them so negatively at least makes me think there might be some trouble at home. I do find that sad, they do have a lot of kids who will be effected by this. However I just can't believe it is surprising to anyone that they eventually ended up as tabloid fodder.

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148. "RE: Opening Day"
It goes to say that Jon and Kate dove head first into reality show fame without any thought to the consequences. The "P" people and tabloids come with the territory of being in the public eye. I'm not saying these people deserve to have this treatment or that the tabloids and papparazzi have any right to do what they do, but it is the reality.

Kate isn't being fair. She is getting what she wants, which is a career of selling books, giving talks, and signing autographs for fans. She enjoys this. The show alone could have been enough, the show is why she can do the above. Everything else is extra, isn't it? However, Jon isn't being fair either. He wants the enjoyment that comes with the money without the consequences that are involved with making this money. A bit much to ask for?

The kids may be happy and healthy for now. They are still young, which can make it easier to keep them ignorant/oblivious to the reality of the situation at hand. Eventually Kate's list will be answered with big fat NOs. It's really only a matter of time. Quit the lifestyle and concentrate on fixing the family. You can't do this with camaras in your face, daddy's weekend alone times, or out on book signing tours.

If the show no longer exist, Jon and Kate stay out of public eye, and clearly begin working on their relationship they will be amongst the many reality show celebs that fall between the cracks to no longer be heard of again until VH1 does a "Where are they now" show.

I will also add that Kate's brother and sister in law are completely wrong in their actions. Even if the open marriage contract is true it gives them no right to air that. If they truly are worried about their nieces and nephews welfare then they will be there for them rather than seperating themselves more by saying such garbage. Clearly their intentions are none too great.

This whole business is shady and the children are the ones who will pay. No divorce is friendly. Jon and Kate already talk like they are ready to sign on the dotted line....they are done or at least they seem to be. I hope they stop and re-think it all, from the sounds of it they love the life-style too much to give it up, and work out their kinks.

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149. "RE: Opening Day"
Actually, I just watched this through last night for the first time. Call me a 'stalker' or whatever, but yes, the tabloids, etc, drew me to the scene. I needed to see what was going on. And hear it from the 'horses' mouths', if you will.

First off, I'm not sure what the big deal is about these people with large families. Maybe because it's such a novelty in today's world? My husband grew up in a family of 11, and it was no piece of cake-they were lucky to GET a piece of cake! It's really tough to slice a pie 11 ways-he tells me that many times!

They had no papparazi following them-just a lot of people who respected the fact that his mom could even remember her kid's names. Which, half the time, she didn't. She'd go down the line from oldest until she hit the mark. They had their ups and downs, but they certainly had NO ONE giving them air time, free food, diapers, clothes, or ANYTHING that slightly resembled hand-outs. My FIL worked 2 jobs, the boys-all 6 of them-shared one bedroom.

So, what is the big deal? That is was multiple births? Who cares? That they can manage, write books, become famous? How would they have done that without media/outside help? Now they are turning on the very people who put them in that place.

To be honest, the papparazzi are actually protecting their kids-the way I see it, anyway. I can't see anyone attacking or trying to kidnap any of the kids with all the cameras around. May sound bizzare, but that's how I feel. Yes, it has to be annoying, but again, did you not think this through? Were you just thinking of 8 kids and their college educations? Big house, big cars, etc??

Again, I revert back to the 1965 Plymouth Station Wagon that held all 11 members, and some friends/extra family of my husband's. No one wore a seatbelt, and people sat on top of people, there were babies on laps, and kids in the very back. Are they all alive today? Well, all but the parents!


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150. "If she's so worried about the kids saying the word Paperazzi "
why hold a birthday party in a public park? Isn't that why they bought that big ##### piece of land with their big ##### house? A couple of bouncy houses and some pinatas could of fit there with no problem. No need about having to worry about forgetting the cake and have to send your husband back home to get it. It would be private. They say that the photogs are at their house yet they showed no footage of them lurking on their property. Just the shots of them at stores and at the party. So I smell some BS right there.

I think Kate planned a public party so she could make damn sure she looked like a victim. Give me a break.

And a father that had to get away for the weekend, needing a break. Leaving the planning of a birthday party up to her. God he acted more like a guest than the dad of the kids.

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151. "RE: If she's so worried about the kids saying the word Paperazzi "
I think Kate planned a public party so she could make damn sure she looked like a victim

I agree.

And a father that had to get away for the weekend, needing a break. Leaving the planning of a birthday party up to her.

I don't think Jon wanted any part of the party. He attended because he had to under the contract with TLC.

You know, for me the most revealing part of the episode was when Jon was asked if he'd rather be out seeling books and leaving Kate at home, and he answered that he can't write well, and "according to some people, can't talk or breathe right either." That's always the image I've had of Kate, and I think we can safely say that this family is toast.

But the saddest part of the episode was when, after Alexis invited Brayden and Jon teased her about inviting a boy, they hugged and then Alexis said, "Daddy, I don't want you to go away." Unfortunately for herself and her siblings, her parents should have thought of that years ago.

And I agree with the EW writer:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20281011_3,00.html

Granted, it always felt like things with Jon and Kate would come to a boil, but watching it unfold feels pretty awful.

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153. "Ratings"
http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/jon-%26-kate-plus-8-fifth-season-premiere-sets-series-ratings-records-9030.php

Gee, you don't think all those awful magazine covers and all that had anything to do with making sure the ratings on the new season were high.

I dunno if the couple are willing to pull the family apart just to make sure the show makes money this season, but I wouldn't put it past someone involved in the show to make sure the tabloids had something to work with just in time for the season to start.

But, I could be cynical and it could all be coincidence.

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152. "Season 5 premiere"
Man that was awful, I truly hate Kate now. And I blame Jon just as much for not acting like an adult. The part where Alexis (?) says don't go away again daddy was heartbreaking. Man I would watch out for Mady- she was messed up before I can only imagine after this. I agree- why in the world did Kate have the party at a park instead of at their McMansion? I am reading the Dugger's book right now and whether you think they're loony or not- they never yell at the kids or berate each other.


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154. "RE: Season 5 premiere"
I was in near tears last night. All I could think of was 'those poor kids'. I could not believe the way they acted at the birthday party. Kate is stuck up and feels she is owed something. You could totally see that.
And I wondered why she had it at a park as well. I think she WANTS the "P people" to follow here, esp when Jon isn't around.
They need to cancel the show, work on their marriage and raise those kids. I hated the way she was like "parents of multiples have a 75% divorce rate" Really? Why is it that multiples cause divorce? I don't think it has a thing to do with that. I could go on and on b ut I won't.
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155. "RE: Season 5 premiere"
I just watched this and it was just very sad and uncomfortable. I thought that Kate was speaking pretty bluntly about the situation and Jon was acting kind of apathetic. There is no way they will work this out, because to repair a marriage like this requires both people to be on the same page and they haven't been for years. It's sad when you see an early show and they seem like they really liked each other.

The scene with Alexis was heartbreaking, although once again, it was captured on camera.

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156. "RE: Season 5 premiere"
Agree.

I have been trying to put all of this into some sort of thought, and I'm not quite sure I can.

I didn't watch much of Season 4 - my life got in the way. And I had the season finale on the DVR for a long time. There was a clip in there that I really enjoyed about how Kate's style has changed over the years. And Jon was saying how she looks better with age.

I also cried last night while finally watching this season's premier. Especially when the two of them would do an interview. Especially the scene with Alexis. There used to be so much love between Jon & Kate. And I think the stress of all of it caught up to them.

A couple of things I have noticed:

Kate: She has always been bossy and hard. There is a part of me that totally gets that. I know how my life has changed with just one child. I absolutely cannot imagine being in their shoes.

I think that she has to be the way she is because IMO ultimately everything seems to come back to her. She is the organizer, she is the boss.

Kate used to be a nurse. There is a "perfection" that has to go into that profession. There is also compassion and love and nurturing. I have never, ever, ever, questioned her love for her children. When she makes those faces, I get it. When she grunts, I get it.

I do feel she is very hard on Jon, but I've never seen Jon really step up and take a leader role. Never be the boss. I think Jon does better not being the leader/boss. Does that mean I condone the way Kate always treats him? No.

Jon: I found it very interesting that Jon pulled up to the party in that sports car. I think Jon is going through an identity crisis and/or early mid-life crisis. He was very young when they met and married and had 8 kids before he was 30.

From what I can gather, he was in the middle of some real "fun" before he met Kate, and that fun quickly changed. I think he is trying to figure it all out.

I think they show got way bigger than they ever expected. And like they both said, it became their job. Work can bring enough stress. When your life is your work, that can lead to such disaster.

I think if they are going to continue to do the show, TLC should partner with that doctor from Good Housekeeping (I think) or the doctor that does, "Can this marriage be saved?"


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157. "RE: Season 5 premiere"
I've known guys like Jon- you can tell he was a big party guy before he got married- got married really young and had kids really young. He says in some interview he's really an extrovert- even Kate says he was good with the fans. You can't tell that now- he seems so shut down and unengaged. He doesn't work anymore and he doesn't know who he is. I think he really needs to step back or even leave. I know that will be hard on Kate- I'm sure she just wants to control him. Looking back at the earlier episodes until now- it's just really sad. Those kids are always going to have to face- their family fell apart on television.


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159. "RE: Season 5 premiere"
I agree with you Boo.

I really get Kate. I don't think she is as evil as people make her out to be. She talks abruptly but I don't think she is unfeeling. I have no doubt either that she loves her kids and yes, she loves what she does now. Sometimes it sounds a little sexist to see others say that Kate should stay home with the kids. What if it was reversed and Jon was out traveling?

Jon is stuck at age 22. It's not a matter of being laid back. I'm laid back yet I know what my responsibliities are. Sure I want to go out and party but those days are over. I think he was like this even before the show. I thought I read somewhere that he could not hold a job for more than a year or so and had a string of jobs. I'm certainly not saying it is all his fault either but he seems to get the better "edit".

In prior seasons I always thought their banter between them worked. I think anyone looking at DH and I and the way we talk to each other would think we hated each other! WE go back and forth teasing and that's what I think they did.
I do think they should stop the show now for everyone in that family's sake. She can still travel and do her book signings.

This last episode was so sad. The whole party was miserable. It seems like they are editing her even harsher than usual or at least letting it all hang out now. She came across even more drama queen like than ever moaning how she had to do it alone now. Her and Jon's behavior at the party was chilling. DH commented that he could not watch anymore because he lived through a divorce and did not want to see another one play out on tv. My heart aches for those kids.

Ummm...the kids are 5. Why are they in high chairs? I feel horrible for the twins as well. Mady reminds me of my oldest. She is very emotional and I am always suprised at the reaction of other posters at her behavior and how negative they are.


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161. "RE: Season 5 premiere"
Agree with you about the job thing. And I think I read somewhere that he never finished his degree. And I think she even told him to go back and get his degree.

Yep, the banter did work for them before. And you are right about the party. There was one part where I saw that she was "cold" and I thought he was going to offer her his jacket. He didn't. It was nice to see her offer him the fruit salad there at the end. I couldn't believe how much I cried watching the whole episode.

The highchairs: I thought the same exact thing. I will say that Mady's attitude has greatly improved since last season or season 3.


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158. "pinata"
I just have to comment on one more thing that was driving me nuts- those pinatas she bought- you don't hit them- they have a bunch of ribbons you pull and one of the ribbons opens up the whole bottom so the candy falls out- that way the kids take turns and no one gets wacked in the head.


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160. "RE: pinata"
I’ve never had a piñata like the one you are referring to but I can tell you its a lot more fun hitting it with a stick…of course, when I was a kid we also managed to play with lawn darts without impaling one another.
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162. "RE: pinata"
She might not have realized it. I've had the string before and not realized it.


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163. "RE: pinata"
Where's the fun if you can't whack the pinata with a stick?
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164. "What Happened to"
their rich friends Bob & Beth?

For a while Jon "worked" for Bob, and they were around, but I haven't seen them in a long time. I noticed Carla last night at the party, and I think Carla has been a helper for years - she may have even travelled with them to Disney.


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166. "RE: What Happened to"
yeah- Beth who co-wrote Kate's first book- doesn't seem to be in their life anymore- ditto for Aunt Jodi
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167. "RE: What Happened to"
I think it was Bob who came out of the wood work saying Jon "left" but he was spending most of his time at work finding freebies on the internet and was about to be let go.


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165. "Sister in law and brother Jodi and Kevin speak out...."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/27/jon-kate-brother-sister-i_n_208062.html


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