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"Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
Argh, my mole left. Anyway, in the window behind Katheryn while talking about being the mole you can see Heather's reflection. Make of it what you will.
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 RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue canada_mole 07-23-02 1
   RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue Phil the Cow 07-23-02 14
       Blue Eyes lizard 07-24-02 28
 RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue moleish 07-23-02 2
   RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue DreamingKW 07-23-02 11
   RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue Sophie 07-24-02 48
 RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue molemama 07-23-02 3
 RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue Kokoro 07-23-02 4
   RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue EthnicGoddess 07-23-02 6
       RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue Phil the Cow 07-23-02 15
           RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue pwbk 07-25-02 59
   RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue DaSaintFan 07-23-02 7
       RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue Kokoro 07-23-02 8
           RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue CVLspaz 07-23-02 13
               RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue malibubarbie 07-24-02 17
                   RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue Jims02 07-24-02 19
               RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue Kokoro 07-24-02 30
 Stick to this thread curious 07-23-02 5
   RE: Stick to this thread Peacemaker 07-23-02 9
 RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue performanz 07-23-02 10
 RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue DreamingKW 07-23-02 12
 That's not Heather's reflection. cyclehausen 07-23-02 16
 Wish I had paid more attention to t... LadyLuna 07-24-02 18
   RE: Wish I had paid more attention ... Jims02 07-24-02 20
 RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue juggdishseuss 07-24-02 21
 smart people pick Bill mrknowitall 07-24-02 22
 RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue - green ... stratcatdave 07-24-02 23
   RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue - green ... LadyLuna 07-24-02 24
   RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue - green ... mercury_ca 07-24-02 47
 Enquiring Minds Want to Know... trigirl 07-24-02 25
   RE: Enquiring Minds Want to Know... L82LIFE 07-24-02 38
       RE: Enquiring Minds Want to Know... trigirl 07-24-02 52
           RE: Enquiring Minds Want to Know... Red Lady 07-24-02 54
 RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue catalicious 07-24-02 26
   RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue catalicious 07-24-02 27
   RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue LadyLuna 07-24-02 29
 Codes and such.. lizard 07-24-02 31
 RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue Z3bra 07-24-02 32
   RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue mikey 07-24-02 49
   RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue Red Lady 07-24-02 53
 Am I losing my memory? nowhereman 07-24-02 33
   RE: Am I losing my memory? Stuefis 07-24-02 34
   RE: Am I losing my memory? Kokoro 07-24-02 35
 RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue Seniorita 07-24-02 36
 The card game performanz 07-24-02 37
   RE: The card game MAC8111 07-25-02 63
 RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue SamLBInj 07-24-02 39
   RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue zedtech 07-24-02 40
       RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue mikey 07-25-02 64
           RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue Jims02 07-25-02 66
           RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue moliemolie 07-28-02 73
 RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue anixon 07-24-02 41
   RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue cyclehausen 07-24-02 42
 Order of Bags. Stuefis 07-24-02 43
   RE: Order of Bags. cyclehausen 07-24-02 44
 RE: Box of Magots?? Cagan 07-24-02 45
   RE: Box of Magots?? lizard 07-24-02 46
       RE: Box of Magots?? dabo 07-24-02 50
 RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue kim5182 07-24-02 51
   RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue tammyb 07-24-02 56
 RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue magic_star 07-24-02 55
 RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue llatutx 07-24-02 57
   RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue magic_star 07-25-02 58
 RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue pwbk 07-25-02 60
   RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue Stuefis 07-25-02 61
       the sax CVLspaz 07-25-02 67
       RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue magic_star 07-26-02 69
           Tenor pwbk 07-27-02 70
               RE: Tenor CVLspaz 07-28-02 71
   RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue Kokoro 07-25-02 62
       RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue weltek 07-25-02 65
           RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue hoon4vr 07-25-02 68
 RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue Rosencrantz 07-28-02 72
   RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue mindful 07-29-02 74

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1. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
Blue eye's where back again tonite with the Dolls
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14. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
When they cut to the shot of those dolls with the creepy blue eyes the first thing I thought was "Which remaining player has blue eyes?"
Answer: None of them. Oh well.
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28. "Blue Eyes"
No but Heather's (ex)boyfriend has "piercing blue eyes". Didn't she sit behind the doll that winked?


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2. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
I doubt this is a clue but anyone notice right before the commercial before the execution they showed the remaining players individually. Bill waved good bye to someone. Moleish?
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11. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
I actually believe this is *the* hidden clue of this episode. I don't remember what happens right before Bill waves, but I know that Al's name is indicated. (I think the mouse is over his name on the quiz) and it fades from pointing out AL to Bill waving Goodbye. Sounds right to me.

-Dreaming

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48. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
I noticed that too...right away it looked like a clue to me...Bye, bye Al!

Sophie

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3. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
There was a model ship (Bill clue?) and a saxophone (Bill or Dorothy clue?) in the "fun house."
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4. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
What genre is "Tiny Bubbles"?

From the player profiles:

Al's Favorite music: Jazz
Heather's Favorite music: Rock, Downbeat, House
Dot's Favorite music: All, but mostly jam bands
Bill's Favorite music: Pop, Light Classical, Jazz, and Barbershop

And did anyone else see very clearly through Heather and Dorothy's lies? They are terrible liars! All three of them should've been playing a more sneakier game with Bill (though I feel he was told to give them this one or felt bad for them losing 100k)


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6. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
LAST EDITED ON 07-23-02 AT 10:30 PM (EST)

Yes, I agree about Dorothy being a terrible liar, or at least making it seem that way. She did not sound very convincing, and there were a lot of awkward silences when she was lying to Bill. Heather was okay though.

I still want to know what's up with the moon being in every episode and what it might mean. Just a coincidence? What do ya'll think?

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15. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
Dorothy's "lie" (so quoted because you could see right through it) made me think that there was no way this girl could be the Mole.
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59. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
This could easily be Dorothy's last plea for people to think she is not the Mole. What better way to throw off suspicion than to "act" like a really bad liar. However, I still don't think she's the Mole, just a point to bring up.


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7. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
And did anyone else see very
>clearly through Heather and Dorothy's
>lies? They are terrible
>liars! All three of
>them should've been playing a
>more sneakier game with Bill
>(though I feel he was
>told to give them this
>one or felt bad for
>them losing 100k)
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I was wondering the same thing... I mean Dorothy was "pretty obvious", although Heather didn't too bad with her lying. (although I think Bill knew she was lying when he mentioned the maggots and Heather's reaction at the table.)

Bill therefore, IMO,

A) If he's not the mole... just scored 50k for the pot.

B) If he is the mole... "gave up" his exemption, to make himself look less-molish... and the others bit, hook, line, and sinker, making at least one of the others players look at Heather as the mole... and thereby getting themselves eliminated.

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07-23-02, 10:33 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
Well first, I do think Heather was just as bad as Dorothy....Lying is not all straight-faced and serious....she needed more emotion. Everyone knew she was all girly-girl and hated bugs and she's just all nonchalant about it.

<<the others bit, hook, line, and sinker>>

Especially Heather, becuase she thinks "wow, I'm such a great liar!" and it affirms her beliefs even though she's not. Though, I'm not sure that it matters anymore. They should both know very well who the mole is.

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13. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
i thought Heather was a pretty good liar. what do you want from a good liar. she was calm and collected. she didn't get flustered with the details. she sounded like she had been there and knew what was in that room. you say she showed no emotion and that made her a bad liar. if you were simply describing a room to Bill, would you show emotion, lying or not. i wouldn't. there's no reason to show emotion! what do you want from her. she's a good liar.
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17. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
Maybe Dorothy wanted it to be obvious so that there would be money cost to the pot. I'm sure she can be a good liar. Heather, I didn't see her as being a good liar. She was over-dramatic with her hands. Maybe it's just because we'd seen the footage, and knew who was where so it was harder for us to know. I think Bill picked Al as the liar only because he said he couldn't sleep through Tiny Bubbles, so he picked Heather as the truthteller. Simple process of elimination.

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19. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
I agree... Dorothy was a horrible liar...

In this game, wouldn't the mole want to be a bad liar (assuming it's not Bill of course). Bill's odds of getting the exemption and hitting the pot increased significantly if he KNOWS that Dorothy lied.
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Quotes of the week:
1. "Al, do you think you could move just a little?"-Myra
2. "Ewww... Patrick, no... I don't want to see that."-Heather
3. "I really hope Darwin doesn't realize I have a coalition with Dorothy, or... that could be bad."-Lisa
4. "Gas station attendants... They no NOTHING about flat tires... Let's ask these tourists!"-Darwin
5. "I swear, Rob, if this freaks me out I'm gonna punch you."-Anderson
6. "Those hills are a b!tch."-Anderson
7. "Um, thanks guys for not liking me!" (waves the $ at them)-Elavia
8. "They do look like piercing blue eyes, Heather, but I don't get it. He's totally making out with (that girl)."- Bribs
9. "I was a little surprised when Anderson came into my room in a suit. He usually just comes into my room in his pajamas, just his bottoms usually."-Darwin

10. "Man, I'm screwed."-Dorothy

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30. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
Heather was okay through most of it, but Bill should've gone with his instincts. Heather ~does not like bugs~. So when she's describing them on her, it shouldn't sound like she's describing an ice-cream sunshine happy rainbow day.

I don't know - maybe I'm just better with these things....

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5. "Stick to this thread"
We now have 3 threads started with the same clues repeated on each one. Can we please stick to this one.(since it was started first & has the most clues so far)

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9. "RE: Stick to this thread"
Yes le's stick to this thread. If the Mods could please close my thread since everything I said has been posted here. Plus I was beaten by one minute(man I need to learn to type faster
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10. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
I think the over the top clue was the McD. hamburgers
pointing to Bill McDaniel.

I'm also kicking myself because as I saw the flashing
'o' this week it finally dawned on me that they may
have also been pointing to Bill all along because it
has always been the last, or rear letter, that flashes.

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12. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
LAST EDITED ON 07-23-02 AT 11:06 PM (EST)

1. Before the High Card game, Bill says: "It would be stupid to kick someone out until all our chips are in" (paraphrasing). I think this was Bill trying to throw suspicion off of himself, because theoretically people could be kicked out at any time.

For example, if Bill had won the first hand, he would have put his chip in. Then, if he won the next hand, even though the other players had chips, he would have had to eliminate someone.

The game worked out fortunatly that it didn't happen this way, but Bill's comment doesn't really have say about the game that can be controlled.

2. Bill said in his interview after Kathryn appeared "It was a total suprise", but he didn't show any suprise in his face when she appeared. Not even his usual smile.

3. As Kathryn said something along the lines of "One of you is a winner, et cetera" the camera cut to Dorothy as she said winner. Dorothy gets the bucks?

-Dreaming

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16. "That's not Heather's reflection."
In fact, it is a picture of Kethryn seen through the same window she is standing next to (not a reflection at all.)
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18. "Wish I had paid more attention to the dolls..."
The dolls blinking would be seen by us and not by the players, therefore to me would be a good "hidden clue".

Did they blink in any particular order or at any pertinant time?

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20. "RE: Wish I had paid more attention to the dolls..."
He he he... I wonder if they were China Dolls... lol
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Quotes of the week:
1. "Al, do you think you could move just a little?"-Myra
2. "Ewww... Patrick, no... I don't want to see that."-Heather
3. "I really hope Darwin doesn't realize I have a coalition with Dorothy, or... that could be bad."-Lisa
4. "Gas station attendants... They no NOTHING about flat tires... Let's ask these tourists!"-Darwin
5. "I swear, Rob, if this freaks me out I'm gonna punch you."-Anderson
6. "Those hills are a b!tch."-Anderson
7. "Um, thanks guys for not liking me!" (waves the $ at them)-Elavia
8. "They do look like piercing blue eyes, Heather, but I don't get it. He's totally making out with (that girl)."- Bribs
9. "I was a little surprised when Anderson came into my room in a suit. He usually just comes into my room in his pajamas, just his bottoms usually."-Darwin

10. "Man, I'm screwed."-Dorothy
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21. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
Here's what I got out of this episode. We presume the Heather/Dorothy coalition is still in effect for this episode, but only this episode as it is everyone for themselves for the final episode. Assuming this is the case, Heath/Dot have collectively (they think) pinpointed the mole. Up to this point in the show, Al has played in many of the games with Heather and may still suspect her. Heath/Dot come up with a scheme to give Al the bait vote straight-ticket Heather. She blows the game costing 100K. I see this failure as Heather thinking to herself "yeah, it is 100K, but if it throws someone off and gets me to the final round, it's worth it and I can win myself in the final episode." Coming down to the wire, the mole wants to do one thing--no overt moves, cast the spotlight on someone else as the mole. Dorothy is the mole. At some point while she is in the bug cage, Heather bows out costing the team the money. Dorothy is informed of this so she can ride out the bug cage and look like a dumb little player all the while she knows the money is already gone. Perfect cover. No suspicion, money gone--she didn't have to do a thing (except of course convince Heather to lose the money for her propelling both into the final round). As for the bad acting and poor lying...icing on the cake. How could such a bad liar be the mole?
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22. "smart people pick Bill"
When the previews for next week were shown. Bill says I KNOW who the mole is and pats himself with his hand. Of course he would know who the mole is, since he is the mole. LOL

BILLFOMOs rejoice. While others tried to be sly and go for the less obvious choices, you stayed strong to your belief and proved the others foolish.

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23. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue - green arrow pointing to Heather"
I haven't seen anyone discuss the green arrow with the letters WC (the W also could have been 2 V's or an upside down M)on the wall during the the scene with Kathryn. The arrow pointed directly at Heather.
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24. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue - green arrow pointing to Heather"
WC=Water Closet (i.e. bathroom)
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47. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue - green arrow pointing to Heather"
Do we know at all what Bill's last name is? I know that Bill is short for William in most cases....


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25. "Enquiring Minds Want to Know..."
What was up with Dorothy calling the snake a Boa Constrictor when she knew it was a python?

Why did Dorothy have to be in her room for only 30 minutes when Al and Heather had to be there all night. Heather's challenge was MUCH harder than everyone elses. If she intentionally threw the game, she didn't come off looking too bad.

If Bill is not the mole (although I believe he is) and he knew who the mole was, wouldn't your rather chance it for 50k than the exemption? Did he throw the game?

ps. Believe it or not, I was sad to see Al leave. Even AC looked saddened. Al has made an interesting character.

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38. "RE: Enquiring Minds Want to Know..."
What was up with Dorothy calling the snake a Boa Constrictor when she knew it was a python?

I thought the same thing, TriGirl. Added to that was Dot's bad lying. She also described the box to Heather as much smaller than it was. There was standing room in the box, and she told Heather she had to crouch on the stool. Also, I don't remember Anderson ever telling Heather how long she had to be there. She said she had to sleep there, and when Dot told the story, she said, "I kept asking, 'how long' and he never answered me." We never saw that happen with Heather. What Anderson told her was, "Stay in here until I come back for you." He never set any time frame that I heard. Did anyone else catch something that I missed?

I've thought Bill was the mole for a while, but Dot's performance last night makes me wonder. Hmmmm....


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52. "RE: Enquiring Minds Want to Know..."
I totally agree with everything you have said L82Life. I don't understand why Dorothy only had to stay in her box of 30 minutes. If you know you get to leave, you can endure. Also, am I the only one that didn't think the cockroaches were that bad? There weren't that many of them.

Another BillFOMO who thinks Dot was acting mighty strange last night.

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54. "RE: Enquiring Minds Want to Know..."
I agree 30 minutes is a tolerable length of time and that the cockroaches appeared "manageable"; however, when the lights went out--I could imagine how freaky it would be not knowing if a cockroach was crawling on ya or what! Remember how Dorothy started swatting her back only AFTER the lights were turned off. Before that, she was rather controlled given her circumstances.

It was Heather who was not told how long she would have to stay in the room. AC said she would have to stay until he came to get her. Who knows, maybe that would have only been 30 min. We'll never know becuz Heather quit as soon as the lights went out.

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26. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
Hello everyone. This is my first post, but I have been reading everyone's theories about who the mole is since the beginning. I was a BribsFOMO but I am definitely a BillFOMO now. I am studying psychology in school, but due to curiousity, I have read a lot about the subject of physical reaction to interrogation. Last night when asked if he was the Mole, Bill succumbed to one of the easiest "tells". As he answered no, he nodded his head up and down once(like a yes). Also, as someone also pointed out on a previous thread, he blinks a lot when he is asked questions. Perhaps that is the link to the blinking eyes of the dolls?
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27. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
I was also thinking that if Bill was an Admiral in the Navy he was probably stationed in Hawaii at some time. That would explain why they played Don Ho.
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29. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
I noticed the "yes" nodding too!
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31. "Codes and such.."
The "product" code on the maggot box right at the beginning was 20580717. If you apply the same telephone keypad logic as was applied to the infamous "BILL IS THE MOLE" telegram, it spells AL TRAP. I'm not sure if that means anything for the game, or just possibly means that the telegram's been over-interpreted!!


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32. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
I know they edit a lot for the show...but at the VERY end...
Where he gives the possible MickeyD's clue...He raises his WATER GLASS to "cheer"...The camera changes angles, and it's an edited shot...because Anderson is now holding a glass of wine...and Bill's glass is empty.

Just thought I'd bring it up...

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49. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
>I know they edit a lot
>for the show...but at the
>VERY end...
>Where he gives the possible MickeyD's
>clue...He raises his WATER GLASS
>to "cheer"...The camera changes angles,
>and it's an edited shot...because
>Anderson is now holding a
>glass of wine...and Bill's glass
>is empty.
>
>Just thought I'd bring it up...
>
The toast would be significant if someone's glass had "tiny bubbles" in it.


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53. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
I was paying particular attention to the dinner scene the night leading into the fun house...I noticed distinctly that all the wine glasses had what appeared to be red wine in them, and all of the players & AC were partaking...

If Dorothy doesn't drink (even toe-jam wine), what was she doing with a glass of red wine?

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33. "Am I losing my memory?"
I really don't recall them telling us to look for "the" hidden clue this week. Did they? I don't remember being distracted. What's my name again?

Maybe the ships, saxophone, etc. were just homage to the last three?

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34. "RE: Am I losing my memory?"
Yeah, there were things there for everything. For example:
Ships, sax- Bill
Statue of LIberty- Dorothy
Spanish lady- Heather or Dorothy
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35. "RE: Am I losing my memory?"
There's ~always~ a "look for it" message....It can pretty much be considered as part of the opening theme ;)

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36. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
Ok, I must say that at this point I have no idea in the world what is a real clue, an over-imaginative mind or real confusing editing. But just to help some of you out... I've narrowed the Mole down to 3... hehehe

Bill.. if he was the mole, what a perfect opportunity to spend hours with the Powers of the show to plan out the grand mole finale...

Heather... the best opportunity to hide the fact that she is the mole and to lose a big chunk of money. contrary to what she says, 100,000 is a lot of money.. unless your paycheck is signed by ABC

and finally my Dorothy... I am now just hanging onto the Dor fomo bandwagon by a thread... There is no way in heck I'd stay in a small cage with la cucarachas.. Especially if I was the mole... I'd be curled up next to Bill before you could say adios amigos (of course I'm referring to my hubby Bill.. lol

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37. "The card game"
I think Bill's comment in the card game,
about it being stupid to get rid of someone
until all the money was in the pot was Bill
being the mole because it was not good strategy.

If my goal is to be the last one at the table
I want to keep my money as long as possible
because no one will kick you out if you still
haven't put your money in the pot.
If Bill wins first and puts his money in the pot
the next person to win should choose to kick
Bill out of the game rather than put up his
own money. It both keeps you in the game longer
and increases your odds of being the final winner.

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63. "RE: The card game"
I loved the fact that Al "demanded" that Dorthy put her money in the pot when she was taking her time figuring out what to do. It was pretty funny.

Heather is the mole. Dorthy already knows it is Heather. Bill does too. It will come down to who has the most detailed Journal(to answer all the questions correctly), and who takes the quiz the fastest.

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39. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
Did anyone notice that when they were sitting in the room where they get executed, behind Al on the wall just left of his head the rocks form the word "LIE" its very clear..there are a couple letters before it that I couldnt make out, but maybe someone could check it out...
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40. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
I might be reaching here but I think what Kathryn told the players was the clue.

"After today, 3 will be left. The winner, the loser and the mole."

Now obviously all of them knew that so why mention it to them?

At the end, they were seated in this order: Dorothy, Heather, Bill. I wonder if this means Bill is the mole if we follow her clue.

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64. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
>I might be reaching here but
>I think what Kathryn told
>the players was the clue.
>
>
>"After today, 3 will be left.
>The winner, the loser and
>the mole."
>
>Now obviously all of them knew
>that so why mention it
>to them?
>
>At the end, they were seated
>in this order: Dorothy, Heather,
>Bill. I wonder if this
>means Bill is the mole
>if we follow her clue.
>
Other possible interpretations of that statement, which is awkwardly worded enough that it must be a clue of some kind:

1. The use of "Will" in the sentence is a reference to William -- Bill.

2. The reference to "left" means that whichever of them is lefthanded, or seated to Kathryn's left is the mole. (or is very liberal)

3. Perhaps the numbers: today (2), 3 players, have some significance, when put in conjunction with everything else she said.

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66. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
"Will" is a word in the English language in the Future Tense, expressing the chance of something happening at a later time.

So, by "logic", every time they say the word "Will" they MUST be giving a clue to the identity of the mole!!!

But, wait a minute... The guy's name is Bill, not Will!!!

(sarcasm off)

By the way, they also could could be talking about when they ask the players if they are the mole. He asked Heather, then Bill, and then Dorothy last.
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1. "Al, do you think you could move just a little?"-Myra
2. "Ewww... Patrick, no... I don't want to see that."-Heather
3. "I really hope Darwin doesn't realize I have a coalition with Dorothy, or... that could be bad."-Lisa
4. "Gas station attendants... They no NOTHING about flat tires... Let's ask these tourists!"-Darwin
5. "I swear, Rob, if this freaks me out I'm gonna punch you."-Anderson
6. "Those hills are a b!tch."-Anderson
7. "Um, thanks guys for not liking me!" (waves the $ at them)-Elavia
8. "They do look like piercing blue eyes, Heather, but I don't get it. He's totally making out with (that girl)."- Bribs
9. "I was a little surprised when Anderson came into my room in a suit. He usually just comes into my room in his pajamas, just his bottoms usually."-Darwin
10. "Man, I'm screwed."-Dorothy

11. (creepily) "Tiny bubbles... In my wine... Makes me happy."-Anderson

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73. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
>>I might be reaching here but
>>I think what Kathryn told
>>the players was the clue.
>>
>>
>>"After today, 3 will be left.
>>The winner, the loser and
>>the mole."
>>
>>Now obviously all of them knew
>>that so why mention it
>>to them?
>>
>>At the end, they were seated
>>in this order: Dorothy, Heather,
>>Bill. I wonder if this
>>means Bill is the mole
>>if we follow her clue.
>>
>Other possible interpretations of that statement,
>which is awkwardly worded enough
>that it must be a
>clue of some kind:
>
>1. The use of "Will"
>in the sentence is a
>reference to William -- Bill.
>
>
>2. The reference to "left"
>means that whichever of them
>is lefthanded, or seated to
>Kathryn's left is the mole.
> (or is very liberal)
>
>
>3. Perhaps the numbers:
>today (2), 3 players, have
>some significance, when put in
>conjunction with everything else she
>said.

How would Kathryn know who the winner will be? She only knows there will be a winner, a loser and the Mole. Noone knows which is which.


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41. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
I thought the hidden clues were the ships and saxophone all pointing to Bill. The thing that struck me as odd is Bill saying the he saw the video and saw the big cockroaches. Can anyone see cockroaches in the video he was shown? I don't think I could see them. Any thoughts?
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42. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
I think Bill knows that cockroaches don't get that big and was trying to trip her up.
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43. "Order of Bags."
They showed the bags last night. It went Al, Bill, Dorothy, Heather. Maybe Heather's the mole and Dorothy wins. They could have edited the position of the names after they knew the order of everything.
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44. "RE: Order of Bags."
They show the bags before most every execution, and they're always in alphabetical order.
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45. "RE: Box of Magots??"
First post, maybe a duplicate. What was up with Kathryn bringing out the box of magots or meely worms or whatever they were. What was the point exactly? At the time the contestants thought that they might have to eat them. What if, that was the clue, an indication that the mole would be put into a small box with bugs during the next game. Dorothy in the box with the roaches? Thoughts?
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46. "RE: Box of Magots??"
Good old incestuous Fear Factor reference (whoops - wrong channel)!
Also see post 31 this thread.


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50. "RE: Box of Magots??"
TV Guide listings:

This Week:
The four remaining players hole up in the "Fun House" to see who can endure an evening of critters, jitters and mind games.

Next Week:
A spoof of another reality game-show forces the remaining four to endure a run-in with massive cockroaches, among other icky items.

ARRRRRRR!!!!

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51. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
I taped the show last night, and after reviewing it about 5 times, I have concluded that the reflection in the window behind Katherine doesn't look at all like Heather. Could it be the person running the tv camera? Just a thought...
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56. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
LAST EDITED ON 07-24-02 AT 08:12 PM (EST)

It's definitely Kathryn. Maybe a picture of her behind the glass?

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55. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
The only things I saw this episode were the saxophone in the fun house and Bill waving good bye at the end of the quiz.Bill and Dorothy both play saxophone,but Bill plays baritone sax,which is a little bigger than alto sax,which is what Dorothy plays.I don't know what kind of saxophone that was.It looked pretty big,so I think baritone.

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57. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
I am sorry but i missed the episode tonight. Who was executed tonight?
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58. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
Al

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60. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
Okay, I just thought of this, and I have no idea where to post it because it's not really an Ep 11 Clue, but a clue that applies to all episodes. We have heard much talk about Bill and his snoring (this episode too, ha, I get to post it here) and it keeping some players up all night. I was reading a link that cycle supplied about the British Mole and they said something about late night strategy sessions between the Mole and the producers because this was the only time they could speak with the Mole. These late night strategy sessions would be hard to complete with Bill for two reasons: one, because he snores all night, and if the snoring suddenly stopped, other players may get suspicious, and two, in the Night Ball Game we were shown a side of Bill that shows he is not a morning (or night in this case) person. How could you have strategy sessions with someone who can't leave the room and can't function without enough sleep. Again, sorry if I posted in the wrong place but I couldn't find a reasons why Bill is not the Mole thread.


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61. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
They did that in the first British Mole. In tthe second the Mole had a sound chip in her cd player and that's how she was briefed. And to answer magic_star that was an alto.
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67. "the sax"
are you sure it's an alto. i guess i only saw the show twice and i didn't take a close look at it, but i think i saw a crook in the neck indicative of a TENOR sax. but most people probably wouldn't know the difference between saxes and a sax clue will just be a sax and the specific kind wouldn't matter.
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69. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
I just looked at it again and I am almost positive it is a Baritone Sax.It is very big,so it definitely isn't an alto sax I think.

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70. "Tenor"
I've played all three and it definetly a Tenor, the crook in the neck shows it is, but it doesn't have a full loop like a baritone.


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71. "RE: Tenor"
i thought so. i'm glad i caught that. i don't catch much and this probably means nothing, but so what! i've played all three too and i was almost sure. thanks for confirming this. this just goes to show that if the sax is a clue, it doesn't point to one or the other.
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62. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
Plus, strategy meetings now happen most likely during those "talk to the camera" interviews we see at the beginning of every show.

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07-25-02, 02:39 PM (EST)
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65. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
Since those meetings likely happen during their private interviews, that wouldn't leave much time for the mole to actually sit and answer questions to the camera. So who hasn't had many camera interview shots? Al had a ton. Dorothy seems to have a lot. Is this an indication that those with the fewest interview clips are most likely the mole? After all, players would be suspicious, if say, Heather was in the interview room for 1 hour, while the rest were only in there for 30 minutes. Bill seems to have the most opportunities to otherwise be alone (fun house game went back to hotel..no shots of him lounging like we saw of the relaxers last season, night time ball game went back to room, snorer gets room to himself towards the end).
Food for thought.
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07-25-02, 07:26 PM (EST)
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68. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
Found a guestbook Bill signed with his email in it:

Name: Bill McDaniel
email: mcdanielwj@aol.com
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Jackie B, the 'B-Boy from B-Town!' Great web site, my friend. I thoroughly enjoyed talking with you Friday, and look forward to getting together again soon; no long lapses again. We are both getting too old for that long a wait! Jack, I value our friendship, and know that you do, also. Stay in touch! (And, watch the Mole II when it comes back on in late May. I got to watch and cheer for you on TV all those times; now, it's your turn to do the same for me!) Bill McDaniel, MD Rear Admiral, USN/ret

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07-28-02, 09:58 PM (EST)
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72. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
My pick is that the Mole is Dorothy. Here are why I think that Bill is not the mole.

1)When the maggots were delivered, Bill dug through the box looking for some clue. If he was the mole why would he have even bothered?

2)I may be wrong, but I don't think the contestants were told how long they would have to stay in their respective rooms. Anyway, when Dorothy's timer went off she said something like "30 minutes are up, let me out!" How did she know how long she was supposed to be there for? I could be wrong about this one.

Also on a past episode where they all have to ride the bikes up the hill, I found it a little bit odd that everyone had blue or yellow outfits except Dorothy who had red. Not only was Anderson the only other person wearing red, but red is the colour of the mole eliminating someone. Dorothy wasn't eliminated so she must be the mole.

I think that dorothy just naturally sucks so it is easy for her to screw up tasks without trying. She is a natural mole. Plus I found it odd that she would have Bungi jumped but didn't. She was the only one.

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07-29-02, 09:41 AM (EST)
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74. "RE: Episode 11 Hidden Clue"
The time was told to her and she did haveto stay
in there for 30 minutes
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