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"Judges made me cranky"
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01-18-07, 10:42 AM (EST)
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"Judges made me cranky"
Due to their holier than though attitude.

Okay, so getting drunk was silly, shaving their heads sillier, but I gotta say, Elia looked hot bald. Going after Marcel was dumb and wron. The ONLY one we saw man-handle him and wrestle him to the ground in a rough manner was Cliff. It was dumb, he broke the rules, he was sent home. He appologized. Everyone else thught it was a dumb prank gone too far.

So, they ask Sam. "Would you condone that type of behavior in your kitchen?"

Were they *in* a kitchen?

So, if you work together in a kitchen of a restaurant, and one of your chefs goes home, dresses like a furrby and like to play the bongos with naked men, WTF does that have to do with the kitchen? His job?

Now, I do know, they are in a competition and that eyes are watching at all times, you should conduct yourselves fairly decently. But to berate them and treat them like children? I wanted to reach into my TV and strangle those judges.

I have vented.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 Amen! PhoenixMons 01-18-07 1
   RE: Amen! cqvenus 01-18-07 3
   RE: Amen! tamarama 01-18-07 5
   RE: Amen! AmyF 01-19-07 11
 RE: Judges made me cranky arkiegrl 01-18-07 2
 RE: Judges made me cranky maryellennaco 01-18-07 4
   RE: Judges made me cranky ginger 01-18-07 6
       RE: Judges made me cranky tac_2 01-18-07 9
   Ilan PhoenixMons 01-18-07 7
       RE: Ilan tac_2 01-18-07 8
           RE: Ilan geg6 01-19-07 10
               RE: Ilan EMTBGRL 01-19-07 12
   ilan cqvenus 01-19-07 13
       RE: ilan EMTBGRL 01-19-07 14
           RE: ilan ginger 01-19-07 15
               RE: ilan KObrien_fan 01-19-07 16
                   RE: ilan ginger 01-19-07 17
 RE: Judges made me cranky Fishercat 01-19-07 18
   RE: Judges made me cranky EMTBGRL 01-19-07 19
       RE: Judges made me cranky Fishercat 01-19-07 20
   One more point Fishercat 01-19-07 21
   RE: Judges made me cranky anotherkim 01-19-07 22
       RE: Judges made me cranky fedcamper 01-20-07 23

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01-18-07, 11:11 AM (EST)
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1. "Amen!"
I couldn't agree more! Cliff was stupid and he apologized. Unless they're not showing us everything that went on, there was no need to lecture the others. They knew that they were pretty much at the end of the road - with only the finals in Hawaii standing in their way. Based upon the hair growth of Ilan and Elia, Hawaii must take place a while after this last episode...so I'm sure they all felt a little relief that it was all over (for now). They were childish, sure, but must they be professional at home, too?

It seems as if the judges pity Marcel for some reason - because the others can't stand him, perhaps. I doubt it would have been as big of a deal had it been a different contestant being the target of the joke.

I do think that it was a very stupid idea and they were all being pretty ridiculous, but come on. I'm sure if I were in Marcel's shoes I'd be pretty pissed waking up to someone trying to restrain me, but Cliff was the only one taking part in that. I thought the judges overreacted and were just trying to create drama for the cameras.

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3. "RE: Amen!"
Based upon the hair growth of Ilan and Elia, Hawaii must take place a while after this last episode

that was the first thing DH and i noticed during the previews. friggin how long did they get... a MONTH???

should be plenty of time for marcel to work out some new foam recipes.

and for ilan the jackass to school him with some paprika (stupidest argument ever).

~ cqc

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5. "RE: Amen!"
According to Tom's Blog on www.bravotv.com, they actually had THREE months off before Hawaii. Holy carp!

http://www.bravotv.com/blog/tomcolicchio/2007/01/tom_211_1.php?page=1

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11. "RE: Amen!"
I agree... the judges did overreact. The entire episode was crazy. However, I am just glad I do not have to watch or listen to Betty. The best show was when she was booted off!
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2. "RE: Judges made me cranky"
I agree! They weren't *in* the kitchen, they weren't *on* the job, so what does it matter if Sam would or would not condone that type of behavior in the kitchen?

And I thought everyone knew if you're going to shave someone's head as a prank, you do it while they are asleep. You don't wake them up first.

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4. "RE: Judges made me cranky"
The whole thing was just wrrrroooonnnnnggggg. It had a "Lord of the Flies" feel to it. I just thought Cliff went WWAAAAYYYY off the reservation with all that hooey. However, I'm not sure that whoever was egging him on in the background (who's still around, btw) was any less culpable than Cliff. Who WAS that??
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01-18-07, 06:01 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Judges made me cranky"
OK, I haven't seen the episode yet, but Tom's blog was interesting. He says he wanted to bounce all of them and award Marcel the win by default, and that the producers vetoed this notion.

I will reserve further comment til I see the "hazing" episode.



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01-18-07, 09:40 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Judges made me cranky"
I think Tom had it right. I also think he's the only judge worth returning for another season.
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7. "Ilan"
He kept saying "come on Sam...Cliff's not holding him down for nothing" and "Elia, get in here".

Elia and Sam seemed to not want to have any part in it once Cliff actually held him down. Ilan did seem to be a big part of it, but that he didn't actually physically touch Marcel is probably what saved him

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8. "RE: Ilan"
Actually, Sam should consider himself lucky, as well. Remember he blew up at Marcel while shopping for supplies and we briefly saw the crowd that was watching the whole thing. Could he or would he or *has he had private blow-ups with Marcel that we haven't been privy to?

Ilan seemed sincere in his comments after the incident about Marcel, I'll give him that.

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10. "RE: Ilan"
Sorry, but I can't agree with you. Sam stayed out of this whole incident. Wisely.

Yelling at someone in a store is something I do from time to time. LOL! I don't see why this is something that Sam should feel "lucky" about. Except for this one incident, Sam has been the most mature of the bunch and, despite his utter disdain for Marcel, he's the one that helped him out when he couldn't plate fast enough. Even though Marcel refused to help him when asked. That's class.


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12. "RE: Ilan"
>Sorry, but I can't agree with
>you. Sam stayed out
>of this whole incident.
>Wisely.

I thought so, too. Then I read Tom Colicchio's blog where he clearly states he can "hear Sam laughing in the background" which means the Sam is also culpable. He gave his consent by "laughing at the prank" (gone wrong) and doing nothing to stop it.

I also do NOT believe that Elia was "clueless" as she, apparently, claimed to Tom, also in his blog. That comment, coupled with her immature attitude in the kitchen during the elimination challenge, made me wish Elia wasn't going to Hawaii.

She might have technical skills, but her personality skills are not one of "leadership."

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13. "ilan"

yeah from the blog:

Ilan yelling, "Get him! Get him!" from behind the camera

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14. "RE: ilan"
>yeah from the blog:
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>Ilan yelling, "Get him! Get him!"
>from behind the camera

Yes, that was disturbing, too. "Accessory" leaps to mind. Just because Ilan wasn't holding down Marcel, it doesn't mean that his actions were not ALSO immoral and against the rules of the competition. I can't see how yelling "Get him! Get him!" isn't ALSO viewed as "hostile."

If Ilan were as strong as Cliff? He could have EASILY been the one holding down Marcel, with Cliff either laughing or egging on, from the living room.

I was trying to make the point that they were ALL involved, not just Cliff and Ilan.

Sam is not off the hook in responsibility for the incident.

Although I don't think that Marcel is the best chef, nor do I think he has the leadership skills required to be Top Chef. After reviewing the incident, and Tom's blog, I think the Producers were wrong to not award Marcel the prize by default, since he was the ONLY person not to violate the rules of the competition.

I think this incident will put Marcel in the Final Two.

If Tom feels this way? I don't think he's likely to "let it go" and will push to keep Marcel.

I also feel badly for Tom that it was his birthday when this happened!


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15. "RE: ilan"
Remember "The Accused" with Jodie Foster? Just sayin...


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16. "RE: ilan"
Remember "The Accused" with Jodie Foster?

That is exactly what came to mind as I watched the whole thing the other night. It made me sick that it happened, but the reason they showed it was clearly to show us why Cliff was DQed. So much more drama this year with the earlier stealing of the supplies, cheating on the challenge, now this. It totally detracts from the show.


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17. "RE: ilan"
I agree. I was tired enough of the Dave-hates-Tif crap at the end of the last season - this season it has gotten way out of hand.



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01-19-07, 04:03 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: Judges made me cranky"
My shortened opinion on these issues

Cliff's ouster was justified, since the second you make physical contact with another contestant that was not allowed, he's gone.

Elia has no guilt in this to me. I didn't see her nearby at any point and she was smart to get out of the way.

Sam has no guilt in this to me either. Omitting to save Marcel is not grounds for exile. A sin by omission may be a sin, and not standing up for a person in an argument may mean supporting the other side, but not defending a person from the treatment isn't grounds for disqualification. It'd be like if everyone got booted because Sam threatened Marcel in the store (whatever, it got close).

Ilan deserved a warning for the eging, but he didn't deserve the boot either for the incident. It's not in the rules that such actions can't be egged on, rather that you can't commit them. Marcel tried to instigate fights with Betty earlier in the season, but words mean nothing in terms of rules on the shows.

I felt bad for Marcel, that's scary as hell. But if Chef Tom's idea went through, this would tarnish Marcel. He didn't earn the title, he fluked his way into it. There were up to four better chefs there who got DQed on a stunt, and he'd be perhaps the most disrespected show winner of all-time. It'd be like Sara winning on HK2 because Keith threw a piece of chicken at her.

The judges were being snobby and, well, assholes. The contestants showed repentance. Cliff knew what he did was wrong and left. Ilan showed a lot of regret, Sam knew it went too far, and Elia wasn't even there. Hell, even Marcel wanted to talk about the food. But no, these judges had the audacity to compare the home situation to a kitchen. Hey, how would you like Marcel coming to your house at 3 AM and pouring chocolate down your throat? Since work and home are the same thing? Come on. It was a bad idea. It was a horrid prank. But guess what, it's over. They knew they were wrong. They need to get the sticks out of their ##### and move on. Hell, Marcel did and he was the victim. EXCEPT FOR TOM, THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT BEFORE THE TABLE! HOW CAN THEY FAIRLY JUDGE WHAT IS GOING ON?

My God.

I'll support a complete boot of everyone but Marcel when everyone who was around the scene of a robbery is jailed on such charges for failing to stop the action. It's not going to happen nor should it.

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01-19-07, 04:19 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: Judges made me cranky"
You make some good points.
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>I'll support a complete boot of
>everyone but Marcel when everyone
>who was around the scene
>of a robbery is jailed
>on such charges for failing
>to stop the action. It's
>not going to happen nor
>should it.

Did you ever see the last episode of Seinfeld? just sayin'


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20. "RE: Judges made me cranky"
There's a reason that episode was panned. ;P
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21. "One more point"
Would I be the only one who wouldn't mind some sort of handicap against Ilan for the incident. Not a booting, but something that makes the next challenge in Hawaii harder? He did wrong, not wrong enough to get booted but it could be a different form of a warning. Or would that be interfering too much?
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22. "RE: Judges made me cranky"
ditto.


Cliff was drunk and acting stupid and scary.

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23. "RE: Judges made me cranky"
I'm just sorry they didn't follow Elia's original suggestion to all shave their heads except Marcel, so his silly do would look even goofier by comparison. Or better yet, they could have all styled their hair to look like his (wig for Cliff). That would have been the bomb! Made their point and no horrible consequences. Whoever said "Lord of the Flies" was right on.
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