I think I put this in the wrong place last time.

Maxx wanted you guys to know that he's posting his spoilers on Friday night this week so you'll have to be quick with your game.

Maxx's eternal servant (apparently)

Thanks for the heads up Modesty.

3:07 AM Sat

wish this guy could be consistant, but eh whatever, noting it is up now whatever it says

Spoilers are up from MaxxFisher:

http://www.tvfunspot.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13763

I gotta say, the more & more I contemplate Ozzy's crazy plan, the more worried I'm getting that he's going to pull it off.

Me too.

LAST EDITED ON 10-26-11 AT 09:27 PM (EST)

Just FYI at 11:34 a.m. today Maxx posted this on Sucks:

I'll throw this spoiler out for episode 8 because:
1. I'm sure they'll spoil it in the previews
2. Everyone already assumes it anyway
3. It's not much of a spoiler
They merge.

His regular post should be up Friday.

The idea is for Ozzy to go to Redemption Island and at the next duel he’ll bad mouth Savaii to whoever shows up from Upolu. He’ll mention that he played the idol already but ended up getting voted out finally, taking the idol out of play in their minds. So he beats Christine, returns at the merge, Upolu thinks the Savaii Idol is burned and they think Ozzy is on their side.

That is not what we heard last night. The real plan is much more sensible than this.

I am beginning to think there was more to that bit about Rick in Max's last spoiler than meets the eye. It raised a flag when I read it that Rick was headed for a blindside, now it seems more feasible....food for thought.

It is nothing, Maxx himself said so at Sucks.

I'm not sure who came first hosting games, you or Tribe, but you are both nefarious! - CTGirl

Coach's F3 does not include Brandon or Rick, that was revealed in a secret scene confessional.

You mean Albert and Sophie along with Coach? Albert and Sophie didn't vote along with Coach on the Mikayla boot, so I dunno how secure that secret F3 actually is.

Let's not have a conversation about where Maxx's information comes from but say we did and let's also say we observed that some of his cagier stuff doesn't have much lasting value.

I wasn't referring to anything to do with Maxx whatsoever - I was responding to the info that apparently came from a secret confessional alluded to above. The only secret scenes I'm aware of are the ones transcribed by James Barber and the ones at the end of EW's Jiffy interviews (neither of which I've seen so far).

LAST EDITED ON 10-28-11 AT 10:57 AM (EST)

Oh, I thought this was about Maxx saying he hated Rick, something about getting what he deserved, which I didn't think was worth reading anything into. Maxx is a source spoiler. I applaud that he's tried to make his stuff fun in some ways, but he isn't really interested in spec.

So, what did you think of how I goofed on Mark or Jeff or any of their underlings reading this thread? Wooo-Oooo-Oooo! Trick or Treat!

Anyway, Coach said something about knowing Brandon and Rick would be disappointed when they got on the jury but he'd have to deal with that later.

Yeah ...
Rick did get that convo with Coach about Brandon, showing that Rick is actually playing this game. Could be a warm-up to his exit?

Why do they cast people and then hide them?
Sears Casting, he wins his dream, then they Purple Kelly him.
Because they think Brandon is so much more entertaining?

Rick was the winner of the Jimmy T casting choice this season, let's just be thankful he's not another Jimmy T.

Because they think Brandon is so much more entertaining?

You kind of answered your own question.

Don't forget they got Coach & Cochran to give love to as well.

And Ozzy.

Yeah, but I *like* Ozzy, so that doesn't count.

LAST EDITED ON 10-28-11 AT 03:30 PM (EST)

(Edited to add comments from EP8)

There's been quite a bit of discussion about distinguishing spoiler from opinion when reading Maxx's comments..and to Maxx's credit, it appears he will leave that for us to decide. Here's a sumary of some of the more Cryptic comments Maxx has made so far. The point I'm trying to make is that they indicate, as Maxx has already told us, he has some knowledge of the long term outcome, above and beyond his weekly spoilers.

EP1:
Is there any, any possible chance Coach or Ozzy will make it to the Jury? If only someone already knew the answer. Oh wait, someone does.

This comment was an early indication that Maxx probably had some information about the long term outcome of the game, beyond the episode to episode details…

EP3:
Someone to keep an eye on: Coach. When I found out he was going to be on this season I expected him to be the first or second person voted out. But he seems to be using his wily ways to stick around. But why wouldn’t you want to keep him around. He plays with honor & integrity, right? I wonder what Edna would say about that. Surely I’m not implying anything. I mean she was the first person to befriend Coach when everyone else dismissed him, so their bond must be as strong as granite. Maybe strong as chalk? Perhaps paper? The Dragon Slayer is firmly in the camp of “Bros before hos”. He is going to do her dirty and you heard it here first.

Here is another example of a Maxx comment that suggests knowledge about future events…in this case he is saying Coach will betray Edna’s loyalty and vote her out before his “Bros”. When this happens we can only speculate

I leave you with, my dirty, dirty liars, this season is going to be a wild ride. There are some…things that are going to happen this season that are going to either blow your mind, or make you punch a baby. I’m fine with either. But it’s going to be a wild ride. Check back each week for the skinny, I promise, no white lies.

Maxx tells us something big future event is coming…was he referring to this week?

EP4:
The tribe make-ups stay the same until the merge. And a tip to the wise, pay attention to who's getting all the airtime - bet on them to go deep into the game. Oooh, so cryptic.

Another example of Maxx’s big picture knowledge…who’s getting all the airtime? Brandon, Ozzy and Coach probably “go deep into the game.”

EP5:
Another Redemption Island and another opportunity for Matt…I mean Christine. Another opportunity for Christine to save herself. Oh but this challenge is just heartbreaking. Christine has to go up against Stacey, her best friend. Yes, they are best friends. They spent 6 whole days together and were not part of the Coach alliance so according to my “Reality TV Editing Chart” that makes them best friends. Well $1,000,000 is thicker than water and once again Matt…I mean Christine wins. Why do I keep calling her Matt? But true to her word, Stacey goes out swinging. She drops some knowledge regarding her former tribe, especially the fact that Coach is running the show. I wonder if this causes any paranoia on another tribe with a returning player?

Maxx suggesting, back in EP5, that Christine will continue winning on Redemption Island, which we have seen is the case. Another example of Maxx knowing more than he lets on?

EP7:
I can talk about the episodes after they happen, but I can’t say what I would like to see happen to the survivors. I can’t say “God I hate that Rick guy and it will be so sweet when he gets what’s coming to him”. Dose that mean I let slip that he was going to get blindsided or that he get’s mauled by a cougar and has to be evacuated? I know, poor me.

I leave you with this my reluctant volunteers, does this seem like an overly complicated plan to anyone else? It seems like a lot could go wrong, but I’m not playing and I’m watching from the outside so it’s easy for me to judge. One more thing to throw out there, one of the Savaii has a job. They have to pretend to flip to get information out of Upolu. I leave the identity for you to speculate. And as for hating Rick, how could I? He’s not even on the show.

These are the comments in question this week. When questioned about them, Maxx has said they were innocent remarks. I’m just saying that Maxx has demonstrated he has information about future events not yet aired on the show. I’m suggesting that some of that information could easily slip out in his writing, even though it may be unintentional.

EP8
I guess when you can‘t vote out Ozzy you vote out the next best competitor on the other side. So now Savaii has no Hidden Immunity idol and it is now 4 vs. 6 plus a Cochran. You don‘t have to be a mathemagician to see how that is going to work out for Ozzy, Dawn, Whitney & Jim

Appears Maxx is suggesting the demise of Savaii...

Krautboy

Just FYI -- Maxx has said he knows the F5 & the F3, so he does know what happens long term even if he only gets each episode's specific boots week by week.

So much for everyone's assumption that things would work out for Savaii, including mine (although that was because I went along with the flow and not because I really wanted it to work)! And no, I don't have to be a mathematician to see how that would work out for Dawn, Jim, Ozzy & Whitney -- I know that it's bad!

I wanted to throw something out there that Maxx said in his "cryptogram" spoiler for ep 5:

"I WONDER IF THERE HAS BEEN A PATTERN THIS SEASON THAT WE CAN LOOK BACK ON AND FIGURE OUT THE VICTOR. I'M STUMPED AND I KNOW YOU ARE TOO SO I'LL JUST COME RIGHT OUT AND TELL YOU, UPOLU WINS IMMUNITY. SERIOUSLY, IS THIS SEASON BEING WRITTEN? I WONDER WHO THAT WRITER IS SENDING HOME"

Do you think the part about there being a pattern (that could lead us to figure out who wins) is one of his opinions or is it a clue that might mean Savaii actually finds a way not to get pagonged after the 'roach flips in ep 8?

LAST EDITED ON 10-29-11 AT 00:28 AM (EST)

IMO, you are overstating the case by saying we assumed "everything works out for Savaii." I believe what we were saying (or at least what I said) was Ozzy's move works out in that he does defeat Christine in the duel & John gives him back the HII. Maxx has confirmed all that happens. The only ones doubting Ozzy's plan were saying Christine would win and/or John would not give back Ozzy's HII. Ozzy's plan DID work for Savaii.

However, NO ONE thought John would be stupid enough to go from a guaranteed F3 spot with Savaii just to buy himself 3 more days because he is emotionally & physically incapable of even playing his one role of "double agent" properly &, hence, incapable of risking a tie vote. He'd rather throw all 5 Savaii votes away & scr@w the 5 tribe members who saved him. Student of the game? My foot. This betrayal after his entire tribe decided to go ahead with Ozzy's crazy plan to save his @ss (because he was going to exit the jury at the hands of a middle age woman!) AND that plan actually PANS OUT? No, not even I expected that from this little rat.

Although honestly, given the fact that he has shown himself to be a totally inept, petty, sexist tool, we should have seen that coming. I've been saying from the start that this kid isn't playing to win. Heck, he said it himself Day 1 when he demanded to be called Cochran -- he wants to be "known." That's it - worse DAW in Survivor history. All we've heard from his what he can't do -- can't go in the water, can't go in the sun, can't dive off a cliff, can't go to RI & win against a middle aged woman, can't take even the slightest risk whatsoever. Now we know he can't be loyal & he can't win Survivor.

But yeah, we'll remember him -- biggest TRAITOR in Survivor history. Sadly, he'll be happy with that.

You've put into words everything that I'm feeling. Cochran is a terrible student. He had a chance to be the hero! Now he's totally a villain!? What is up with that?? No one wants to be seen as the villain. Didn't he say the same thing?

He might win the season, but he'll be a paper tiger. He's no hero... and if they invite him back for All Stars 3, then that'd be a shame.

GREAT post, Krautboy! Thanks for spelling it out for us! You are amazing as always! So, here is what seems to be ahead for us...

Coach will betray and cut the women before the men on his tribe. Coach, Brandon, Albert and Rick will outlast Sophie and Edna. The question is, will Cochran outlast the women?

Rick will be blindsided...

Who is getting the airtime...they go deep into the game....I'd say: Ozzy, Cochran, Coach, and Brandon....could they be our final 4?

Ozzy, Dawn, Whitney, and Jim will be pagonged. Will it be in that order?

Thanks so much, Krautboy! You were right on with the spec that alot could go wrong! The only thing that gives me hope are Jiffy's comments when he was asked if he liked Ozzy's move....he answered, "I liked it, it was a move made by someone who is playing to win." We all know that Jiffy tells us everything! Fingers crossed!

Ozzy's move might have been made by someone who is playing to win and thus would give Ozzy fans hope, but let's face it -- he has only two shots at winning the game:

1. He's got to find the next Hidden Immunity Idol and I sure hope that Edna finds it before he does!

2. He's got to win the remaining Immunity Challenges if he doesn't find it!

Sure he won a lot of Immunity Challenges in Cook Islands but he was rarely in danger once the Aitu-4 took charge and many of the challenges were suited for him. I doubt the same thing will happen here. Besides, you know that Jeff likes Ozzy!

Don't forget there will be another returnee from RI at Final 5. If Ozzy gets voted out early post-merge and if they do it the same way as last time, he won't have to win the multiple-person "duels", just not lose them.

(Though I seem to think maybe Jeff said they were changing that? Anyone remember? )

(Though I seem to think maybe Jeff said they were changing that? Anyone remember? )

Indeed he did, Brownroach. No more multiple duels unless there is a double boot of course, but he did say it will be down to the winner each time.

Regarding Ozzy having to win each and every immunity or duel...let's face it. That was always his real shot at winning. He has to win, win, win.....If he goes to RI, he has to win there as well, just to make it to the F5, and from there, I'd bet that he still has to win every single time. The moment he doesn't win, he's toast....fwiw.

You're right there -- he's got to win every Redemption Island duel from the time he gets there till the Final 5 and win the last two Immunities! I hate to say it and dampen the spirits of all the Ozzy fans, but those seem like very long odds to me!

>>Coach will betray and cut the
>women before the men on
>his tribe. Coach, Brandon, Albert
>and Rick will outlast Sophie
>and Edna.

Yes , that's how I see it too.

The question is,
>will Cochran outlast the women?

I'm not so sure about this...The Upolu tribe prayed together and appear to be well on their way to the end game. I thing Coach and Brandon will cut Cochran loose in the name of honor and integrity and loyalty to Upolu...that appears to be the msin theme.

>Rick will be blindsided...
I think Maxx's comment about Rick was not intended to be a spoiler (as he explained) but a general comment about how invisible Rick has been. Just an indirect comment saying that Rick will probably do better than we might espect from what we'vr seen so far.

I'm still thinkiing that Rick and Albert are the dogs that didn't bark...invisible pre-merge, with there stories building from now until the finale.

>
>Who is getting the airtime...they go
>deep into the game....I'd say:
>Ozzy, Cochran, Coach, and Brandon....could
>they be our final 4?

Agreed that they go far, but I don't think the Upolu would let them both hang around until the end.

>Ozzy, Dawn, Whitney, and Jim will
>be pagonged. Will it be
>in that order?

Upolu will go for Keith first, so there strategy will probably be to get rid of likely challenge threats first...Keith Ozzy and Jim...then the weaker players.

Upolu would probaly keep Cochran around as long as they can, because they know a Savaii dominated Jury that was betrayed by Cochran, would never vote for him to get the million.

>Thanks so much, Krautboy! You
>were right on with the
>spec that alot could go
>wrong! The only thing that
>gives me hope are Jiffy's
>comments when he was asked
>if he liked Ozzy's move....he
>answered, "I liked it, it
>was a move made by
>someone who is playing to
>win." We all know
>that Jiffy tells us everything!
> Fingers crossed!

Agreed, Jiffy is hoping Ozzy wins Fan Favorite.

Krautboy

The question is,
>will Cochran outlast the women?

I'm not so sure about this...The Upolu tribe prayed together and appear to be well on their way to the end game. I thing Coach and Brandon will cut Cochran loose in the name of honor and integrity and loyalty to Upolu...that appears to be the msin theme.

But, what if they make a pact. What if they shake his hand and give him their word? Brandon is not likely to turn on that. And, with Brandon there to keep Coach in line, he may be forced to honor his word as well.....I will be very eager to see if there is a promise that is offered to Cochroach....

Regarding Ozzy and fan favorite....he had me last week....

LilHantz is not likely to be happy with a scenario that puts Cochran ahead of anyone in the Upolu 6. I don't think he would be party to such a pact. Coach might -- out of hearing range of everyone else.

TaliHantz might not like it, but there ain't much he can do about it. If he doesn't like it he can either quit or have Coach tell him not to let the door hit him in the a$$ on the way out. I think Coach is gonna do what he damn well pleases, and I don't think it'll take much provocation after the merge for Coach to tell his allies to vote TaliHantz out, especially if the old Upolus are up in numbers by then.

Coach has gotten his way 100% this season. No one has successfully challenged him. I don't see that changing now. He has his onion-core of supporters (Edna & Brandon, Sophie & Albert, Rick & C?), which is exactly what winners do.

Coach is clearly a villain, and his "fall" has been telegraphed early and often, but objectively he's sitting pretty.

>Coach has gotten his way 100%
>this season. No one has
>successfully challenged him. I don't
>see that changing now...

...Coach is clearly a villain, and
>his "fall" has been telegraphed
>early and often, but objectively
>he's sitting pretty.

Agreed Parathor, I don't see anything stopping him from getting to the end, but once he gets there the jury will make him pay the price and probably give the million to one of the two he brings with him.

It will be ironic when Coach suffers the same fate as Russell, both villains who knew how to get to the end, but unable to manage the jury...

Krautboy

FWIW-- Maxx just posted the following regarding the Ozzy, Whitney, Dawn, Jim line from his article:

I was speaking from the perspective of this specific episode. What anyone would think or assume at the conclusion of episode 8. The Savaii names I listed are not a hint of who goes home or in what order they leave. When I kept calling Christine "Matt" I was talking about how well she had done at Redemption Island up to that point, I was not hinting at her coming back from RI. It's the same thing with what I said about Savaii

True, but the odds aren't that good for Ozzy or for Jim either once Cochran flips. The only chance Ozzy has to win is to win every duel he's in while he's on Redemption Island and to win every Immunity Challenge he can compete in until the Final 3.

The only chance Ozzy has to win is to win every duel he's in while he's on Redemption Island and to win every Immunity Challenge he can compete in until the Final 3.

Really, Belle, this was always Ozzy's only option. Everyone will gun for him the minute he doens't win immunity. And, from that point on, he must win every duel....I think he's well aware of his mission, and I might add, capable!

LAST EDITED ON 10-31-11 AT 08:39 PM (EST)

You're right there -- that was his only option! He's certainly capable enough to beat most of those who are up against him (with the possible exception of Keith), but even if he beats everyone and gets back into the Final 5, I doubt he's going to win both of the last Immunity Challenges!

I think we should keep this possibility in mind in trying to figure out who might still be there at the F4 with the potential for Ozzy to make it back into the game as the fifth person if he goes to RI ... they might consider the need for a strong athletic type to remain in the game to take on Ozzy and increase the chances of getting him out of the game. An Albert or a Keith, perhaps. If Coach is still there in the game, think he'll push to have as many athletic types around to make sure Ozzy gets knocked out rather than to keep non-athletic types around (Sophie, Edna, Dawn, Cochran, etc.)?

LAST EDITED ON 10-31-11 AT 10:50 PM (EST)

However things work out, there's always the HII factor as well. There are currently two of them in the game, and if one gets played chances are production would leave it at only one, that one would be eliminated. If the second gets played (whenever) it would almost certainly be recycled back into the game, up to the point where HIIs can no longer be played. Or it can go to RI and not be recycled until the holder loses a duel, or get back in the game with whoever returns from RI

If the HII is still good at the 2nd F5 whoever has control of it is guaranteed F4. If that person also wins II he/she can use the HII to guarantee another player F4, provided they work as a pair from that point onward and try to get them both to F3.

Whoever the four are who got there without going to RI, one of them is necessarilly on the outskirts of the F3 plan and would need protection to get to or past F4.

Just rewatched the ending and it was very obvious that Ozzy is the heroic figure and Cochran the evil "slithering" snake like villain of this almost Shakespearian tale. Then again after another viewing Cochran could be some sort of amoral Hobbit. If he returns, Ozzy would be viewed as invinceable almost mythic by all the other players and he would have the idol. What would Cochran do then? After merge Ozzie could join two other strong single immunity types to form an alliance against the others? This could get him to the F4 or F3. Just trying to think of a way he could win Survivor and make jeff the happiest man alive.........(still it does feel like this will be his demise this week, Christine has the best plan, Luck!)

From what I see at Sucks today ...

Survivor's Unite has given us Coach, Albert, Sophie as the F3. He has hinted strongly that Coach doesn't win.

Others who appear to know things have come forward that Brandon melts down and wants to quit, can barely wait to be voted out, probably at F5. Something about CBS considering turning it into fake med-evac so he wouldn't be a quitter, but didn't.

Someone has said that Cochran is not the last Savai'i standing. ( I would vote for Dawn, the Holly of this season.)

Someone said that Cochran will flipflop at least once more and maybe beyond that -- I guess until someone plants their foot on the squirmy little pasty bug.

Someone else said that Coach came home happy and thoroughly enjoyed being in the F3 and the final TC. (Which would mean he didn't get trashed?)

There is a strong hint that Sophie wins.

I can believe this F3, as we were shown it when Coach found the idol. They all worked together and then Sophie had a confessional about how great this was. This F3 is the core alliance. Edna is #6, and perhaps Coach does no more in the way of dirty than to let her go in her allotted position, rather than teaming up with her to change things up.

It's hard to see why Sophie would win, as her game play so far doesn't have people buzzing, and there are only Dawn, Whitney, and Edna on the jury. Well, maybe that is it ... the F3 is two men and one woman, and if she gets the three women to vote for her, she only needs one more. So Coach and Albert only need to royally alienate one guy ... Cochran ... or maybe Jim appreciates Sophie's smart play. Or Brandon is really mad at the two guys ... or the vote is not 4-3 and the third person gets a couple votes, in which case Sophie only needs three votes.

I think the most likely to return from RI are either Ozzy or Dawn. If it's Ozzy, we'll have another season with the returnee voted right back out or at best, the next time after.

Well, Coach will have played his best game yet if he just gets to Final, and with his selected unit. His BS could become very annoying for those who have to live with it in camp, and of course the jury doesn't like it when you try to sell them a load. The combination of Coach and Brandon in camp with their Christian Warrior supremity, I think we can expect a lot of over the top for the next four weeks or so.

Oh boy!

If Sophie wins, she may be getting a Vecepia edit: no focus on her because the editors (Probst) wanted to make the main story revolve around Ozzy and Coach, plus Cochran and Brandon as the loose cannons that added interesting twists (in their minds anyway).

But Sophie did get one of the pre-show promos highlighting a single contestant. I only saw one for her and one for Whitney -- I don't know if anyone else got one. I posted about it here. The voiceover said "Sophie is calling the shots..." and also "one of the smartest women is one of the most athletic." It's odd that we've seen so little of her after that pre-show teaser (and of Whitney too for that matter).

Maybe that promo was a sneaky hint that Sophie takes home the prize?

It's been telling to me that Sophie has always been there when strategy is being discussed in camp and she's the one we heard from when the Upolus had their prayer session, talking about how she had to focus on the game and all that.

I believe that Sophie is the winner as well - in my post-Episode 1 pool pick at work, Sophie was my choice.

Perhaps Sophie has really been calling the shots of the alliance of her, Coach & Albert and perhaps (unlike poor Stephen from Tocantins) she is able to convince the others that she was the puppeteer behind-the-scenes.

And I can believe Albert, Coach and Sophie are the Final 3 too. They seem to be the core alliance.

Well heck, the week by week spoilers were one thing, we could still come here and try to spoil the episode before it was revealed. Now that the season has been spoiled, I'm done here for the rest of the season. It was fun while it lasted.

After reading this news I went back and re-watched episode 1, and yes, Sophie was highlighted at key moments, including she was the first person that the camera focused on when Jeff said "one survivor".

I'd expect her to get more face time after the merge. I don't see how her story ties to "I need redemption" or overcoming a rough start, but whatever. What little I've seen of her I have been impressed with and will be happy with a Sophie win.

I am also looking forward to seeing Cochran flip back and forth between the two tribes until he gets caught. It will be fun to see him in a duel at RI against Ozzy and to see Ozzy say goodbye.

I'm not sure who came first hosting games, you or Tribe, but you are both nefarious! - CTGirl

btw, I'm not sure if everyone here knows how Sucks spoilers forum works now. Sucks used to be the place where any wild made up spoiler had a home. No longer.

Anti is reigning with iron first. Any spoiler there has to privately prove his credentials for having real info with Anti. If not, the topic gets locked. If a topic does not get locked, that means Anti finds it has sufficient credibility.

Sophie had an excellent start in Ep 1, which is what matters to me. With some winners, especially those that don't overtly step up in the game, they intro them in Ep 1 and then let them be minor characters until they begin to play in earnest.

Even though Fabio was visible as the court ;jester, his gameplay got very little focus until he realized he was in danger. Bob in Gabon reappeared to the viewers when he was in danger. So far, Sophie has never been in any kind of vulnerable position. None.

EPM and Jeff prefer to show males as the ones who are running the show. They are very biased that way. In Guatemala, they focused on Gary Hogeboom and not Danni. Danni got face time around the point where it was her turn to get booted and she played her way out of it. Even then they edited out some of her strategic play.

In sum: in a season where the guys running the show are NOT getting a winner's edit, there is probably a female player in the wings who is there and playing a good game, but not getting highlighted,

If Albert were going to win, he would have been highlighted in Ep 1, I have no doubt of that.

LAST EDITED ON 11-04-11 AT 04:04 PM (EST)

The following is an extrapolation of the sourced spoilers currently being discussed and an attempt at organizing them...

After reading over at SSucks it’s apparent there are several posters with reliable sourced information. Maxx Fisher, Survivorsunite, iVrdo210 and EC101. After reading their posts and pulling the clues together with a little logic and speculation, here’s what the rest of the season might look like plugged into TDT’s calendar.

From Maxx we know Upolu comes out on top in numbers after the merge TC and vote out Keith, then proceed to Pagong from there.
EP8: Ozzy wins the duel and returns to the game when the tribes Merge, Keith sent to Redemption Island

EC101 seems adamant about two triple duels, which require two double boots. He also tell us that Ozzy, Whitney and Keith do NOT compete in the same triple-duel.
Since Upolu chose to vote off Keith first, it makes sense that they would continue to vote off the challenge threats next.
EP9: Double TC, Ozzy and Jim to Redemption Island

EP10: Triple Duel, Ozzy wins, Jim and Keith first two jurors
Then EP10 would have a second double TC with two more
players (probably Savaii) getting voted out.
EP10: Double TC, Whitney and Dawn sent to Redemption Island.

The EP11 duel will be the second 3-way duel with the winner sending two
more to the jury. Ozzy should be able to defeat Whitney and Dawn.
EP11: Triple Duel, Ozzy wins, Whitney and Dawn join the jury, (now four bitter Savaii).

SU tells us that lbert Sophie and Rick “go far” with Coach, which he defines as F6 or better, and since we know the F3 and that Brandon is still around at the Family visit, Cochran will probably be the last Savaii to be Pagonged.
EP11: TC, Cochrane sent to Redemption Island to face a betrayed Savaii tribemate...

Maxx hinted that Coach betrays Edna when he chooses “Bros before Hos”, which given that we know the F3, means Coach chooses Brandon and Rick over Edna. EP12, Ep13 and EP14 would go back to one-on-one duels.

EP12: Duel, Ozzy crushes Cochrane and sends him to the jury, now 5 Savaii and zero Upolu. Family visit and TC where the first Upolu goes to Redemption. It's not likely that Edna would win Individual Immunity, so she would probably be the first Upolu to go, based on Maxx’s suggestion of Coach's betrayal of her. Edna goes to Redemption Island.

By process of elimination Rick and Brandon are the last Upolu before the F5.
SU tell us "We do know now that Coach is in the finals. That Whitney and Keith are dating. That Brandon makes the family visit and goes F6 or 5 after basically quitting (although chances are we won't see it happen that way). Brandon is not in the F3. No one from Savii make F3." (The "F6 or 5" spoiler from SU is probably vague because Brandon gets voted out at F5, but finishes F6, after Ozzy beats him to return to the game)
EP13: Duel, Ozzy defeats Edna, and Brandon has his F5 meltdown and he is voted out at TC.

SU and iVrdo210 both confirmed that Brandon goes out just before the finale, after something causes Brandon to have a meltdown and want to quit. The producers consider staging a Medivac, but Brandon sticks it out to TC where he is voted out. Danni at SSkills had spoiled this early on as well. They have also confirmed the F3with each other.

SU tells us that Ozzy goes deep into the game. With the Savaii being Pagonged and Ozzy the automatic target as soon as he loses immunity, the most likely way for that to happen is if he returns from Redemption at F5

EP14: Final Duel: Ozzy defeats Brandon and returns to the game, F5: As SU told us, "Rick, Albert and Sophie go deep into the game with Coach, but as Maxx hinted, "Rick gets blind-sided" at TC and is voted out at the F5 TC. Ozzy's Immunity and Challenge run apparently comes to an end at F4 and is voted out at F4 TC, leaving Coach, Albert and Sophie as the F3.

iVrdo210 has told us that Brandon does not vote for Coach and has hinted that Sophie will soon start to get a winner’s edit.
Final TC: Sophie wins

Krautboy

Well, I wish that Edna went further than Final 6 and that Coach chose her over Rick but given that she seems to have been 6th out of 6 at Upolu, I think she's the only one who is betrayed.

I'd be happy if either Albert or Sophie wins -- as long as it isn't Coach who wins, I'd be delighted! But I'd prefer Sophie by a slim margin to Albert.

I wonder if Coach would get any votes. It could be very close between Sophie and Albert (5-4), or close between the three of them (4-3-2). I still can't believe there's yet to be a tie, when there were plenty of occasions where it was possible.

The jurors talk out the numbers at Ponderosa, so they know how to avoid a tie. I wish they wouldn't let them do that. It's like Big Brother now.

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It's probably pretty difficult to prevent jurors from discussing their votes at Ponderosa without hovering around them 24/7, which I'm sure would pi$$ them off if they tried it, so that's probably why they don't do it anymore. They probably had a jury one time tell them to back the f--- off or we're going home and you'll have no jury, so they probably had to leave them alone.

I doubt that Coach will get many votes -- if any. Neither Edna nor Rick would have any reason to vote for Coach after he sends them packing, we already know Brandon's not going to vote for Coach, and Coach is irritating enough that I can't imagine that many Savaii voting for him. Maybe Cochran, but that's it.

>iVrdo210 has told us ... has hinted that Sophie
>will soon start to get a winner’s edit.

I'd say it's starting already... from the previews for next episode:

Sophie: Albert's thinking a lot right now, about switching up in the game and I think those are important things to think about.

We're hearing this from Sophie instead of directly from Albert.

Most significantly that there would not be a tie vote, which Max upheld in the comments, and then had to admit he got some things "muddled."

So it seems that while Maxx's boot info may be reliable (at least so far) all else must be viewed skeptically.

Agree. Ignore the MaxxFactors! It was one thing when they were obscure references to Edna or Rick, but this bozo couldn't deliver solid vote information this time and resorted to embellishment rather than admit up front he just didn't know.

Agree, that was a stumble on the magnitude of blackwhale saying Parvati won immunity at the merge in HvV. Let's see how he handles it. (I haven't checked Sucks for any backlash yet.)

And it's hardly surprising.

I just saw it and yeah, it's unsurprising at all. In fact, it's pretty much what I predicted would occur.

Yes. I hoped Whitney would go, because she hasn't been developed anyway. Jim and Ozzy both brought a lot to the game dynamic; now it shifts to Upoluboring.

So this is equivalent in episode postition to the Mike and David boots last season, and Maxx says 2 Tribal Councils, which would make it similar, if he is right.

I was going to post more on the teaser, but I think I can put it in the episode topic.

I'm a little disappointed by the predictability of this episode too. There's a ray of light though. Someone at Sucks asked Maxx if the "Wildest season ever" was all over now that the merge has happened (as it would appear). Maxx did actually reply and he said "It's not over."

I guess there's some hope of more future chaos.

I saw that too, Modesty, and it gave me hope as well.

Great to see you posting at Blows, btw. We don't have too many crossover MESS and Sucks posters.

Oh and thank you for spoiling
The Hammock of Doom

darn it the hammock portent leads us astray this week ...

I know I know!

Who are we supposed to believe? Maxx or the Hammock? Neither have lied to us before.

That makes me believe that Cochran and Dawn might be successful in exposing a crack in the Upolu tribe to boot one of their own before completing the Pagonging. Either that or a RI returnee turns the game upside down.

iVrdo210 (one of this seasons spoilers with sourced information) has confirmed that the EP10 Duels will be two back-to-back duels...with the losers of the duels going to the jury.

So, Jeff did tell us the truth when he said no multi-person duels.

Since we know Ozzy is out this week and there are spoilers (Survivorsunite) that he "goes deep into the game", we can conclude that Ozzy will be victorious.

Krautboy

TY, KB, OFG and all others. This really clarifies how things should be on the Voting Threads this week and next. Now to figure out when the next double-boot will be (though I expect CBS to telegraph that again).

Happy Happy!

With the family visit probably at EP12 and the schedule busy from there on to the end, it's likely that it will happen sooner rather than later...with a double boot this week and double duels in EP10, there's a good chance we have another double boot it EP10, with another pair of duels to start EP11.

See speculation and supporting spoilers here:
http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/7726.shtml#99

Krautboy

I'm pretty sure that the SU spoiler was a true/false. That one about Ozzy going deep was a 'false' from memory.

SU was an accurate spoiler during HvV but he had bad information fed to him last season by his source. he's given us no real short term spoilers to test his sourc against yet this season, but he believes they're solid.

iVrdo210 has no spoiler credentials - I believe this is his first occasion to have a 'source'.

I'm just going to stick with Maxx for now. (and the Hammock!)

Yes, the SU spoiler was a true/false, but reading between the lines, the twist was that they are all true...from what I can tell. SU never came out and said which were true and which were false, that was left up to us to surmise.

iVrdo210, volunteered his supporting information and basically confirmed that SU knew what he was talking about.

Krautboy

I just stopped by to perform routine maintenance on my most successful thread.

Please, do carry on ...

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