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""Be The Survivor" S36 Ep09: "Sea Slug Sliders""
Posted by RollDdice on 04-18-18 at 09:06 PM

It's that time, folks. The Ponderosa chefs take the day off and rather than spend $14.99 on peanut butter sandwiches, we roll out the local delicacies. And air sickness bags. But no Tums and no tongue scrapers.

In other stomach-churning news, Libby decides to keep a low profile in response to the votes she received at the last TC and Domenick is trying to dial his paranoia down from "11" to something more manageable, especially after sending rapper DJ "Caucasian Chris" to Coachella... uhh, Ponderosa.

So stay tuned as alliances balance on the edge and Donathan continues to manipulate the others like a pro.



Mark "Lobster with drawn butter, please." Burnett
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"RE: "Be The Survivor" S36 Ep09: "Sea Slug Sliders""
Posted by Aruba on 04-19-18 at 07:14 PM
FINDING/CONCLUSION #1 – Just because the GI Soup Nazi says “No Game for You,” it doesn’t mean you can’t create a “game” of your own to use to your advantage. Of course, that would take a proactive effort and Jenna is a monumental waste of Survivor space.

FINDING/CONCLUSION #2 – Conspiracy theorists aside, we all cheered on Donathan when he overcame his apprehension of going down deep into the water. Next on his Bucket List—conquer his fear of slingshots.

FINDING/CONCLUSION #3 – So who was more of a girly-man sissy this episode? Wendell getting all skirmish over creepy critters like a five-year old girl, or Sebastian showing up at the IC with his hair-do matching the girls sporting the Princess Leia look? Keeping with the “Star Wars” theme, “Chewy” was the character of choice as Angela “chewed” her way to an impressive IC victory.

FINDING/CONCLUSION #4 – Michael, who more than held his own at that challenge, went back to finish his last swallow embracing the full Survivor experience because he stated he may never get the opportunity again. Would that be because he does not overexaggerate with nauseating embellishment? *SNORT*

FINDING/CONCLUSION #5 – Yet, if Michael does get invited again, it will be because he was the first to officially reverse a curse. He played it for “Ozzy” when the F---ing stick was really Jason/Eliza’s curse that was reversed, but aside from that technicality, well done young man! Not bragging about his HII find to every living creature on the island helped to reverse the curse. Lest we not forget the winning advice of last season’s champion with his forefinger over his lips—SHHHHHHHHHHH.

FINDING/CONCLUSION #6 – HMMMM, maybe since the curse that involved Eliza’s boot on Skankivor: Micronesia was reversed...perhaps this means her lolos will come back reversing that Survivor curse as well?! *SNORT* *SNORT*

FINDING/CONCLUSION #7 – Taking advantage of sleeping tribemates have been the Aruba Commission’s finding/determination/conclusion all rolled up into one on numerous occasions. How prophetic we hear EP and Host Jeff Probst at TC offer game strategy for all by assuring other players they are on top and to “go back to sleep.” *HINT* *HINT* for the castaways...

FINDING/CONCLUSION #8 – Last week the Commission offered three options for Libby to keep herself safe. 1) Step up to the plate and put out a winning effort at the IC...STRIKE ONE! 2) Skank herself out to the male castaways. The Commission approved of Libby letting that pitch go by...but...STRIKE TWO!! 3) Showing some proactivity and getting herself an idol/advantage. She didn’t even go down swinging with this one...STRIKE THREE!!! YER OUT!!!!

"RE: "Be The Survivor" S36 Ep09: "Sea Slug Sliders""
Posted by michel2 on 04-21-18 at 11:44 AM
I think it's amusing how much effort is wasted by this grand commission in trying to contradict this bored viewer.

#1: Why would she do that? Pretending having gained an advantage would only put a target on her own back. She's safe so, while the million is out of the question, the check is getting bigger with every cycle passing by.

#2: The commission can't even spot wrongdoing right under its nose.

#3: Why would Wendell waste an immunity win? In fact, listen to what he said at the reward: "I probably risked immunity for guacamole out here." Those words tell me that he knew he'd shown too much skills during the RC so he'd have to sandbag the immunity challenge.

#4: Your personal agenda shouldn't interfere withn the commission's business. SOME contestants get a re-invitation because they freely show their emotions on camera. That shouldn't even be a debate. Some get re-inviations for other reasons. It's really simple if you weren't so hellbent on contradicting me.

#5: I think Michael's plan to reunite Malolo would have been MUCH better served if he had told them about his idol. Not being a disloyal turncoat wouldn't have hurt either!

#6: Snorting is the Neanderthal's way of debating. I'd hope for more intellectualism from a commission.

#7: Do you really think that was prophetic? In season ONE we all saw that Pagong were easily convinced that there was no such thing as a Tagi Alliance, sleeping comfortably despite their impending doom.

#8: There wasn't even an idol or advantage to find so how could that be strike Three? Libby caused her own elimination by voting against Michael but his plan was so dumb that none of the Malolo went along.

"RE: "Be The Survivor" S36 Ep09: "Sea Slug Sliders""
Posted by Aruba on 04-21-18 at 12:55 PM
The Commission is merely disclosing its findings and publishing its appropriate conclusions. It is the RESPONSE from a bored viewer who is contradicting the Aruba Commission.

#1 - A player would consider making up an advantage to further themselves in the game. Tony helped his cause by making the advantage of the Idol with Special Powers greater than it really was. Yes, it comes with a risk, but risks and big moves win seasons.

#2 - The same accusation was thrown at the Warren Commission for refusing to acknowledge an unproven conspiracy theory about a second gunman in the grassy knoll. Such are the criticisms all Commissions have to deal with.

#3 - It’s not necessarily about winning or losing; it is about putting out an effort and not wimping out.

#4 - Criticizing the nauseating embellishment has been the Commission’s business from the onset. It is only in a bored viewer’s “script” that would suggest over-exaggerated emotion be the reason for a re-invite.

#5 - “Hey Laurel; hey Donathan...forget the fact you are currently part of the most powerful alliance so far this season with not only one, but TWO HIIs. Why don’t you throw that all away because I have a burnt stick with a face on it.” LOL. “Hi Jenna...what’s up? I’ve got an F---ing stick in my pants that will make you forget about eyelash boy forever.” LMAO. Those “scripts” wouldn’t even work in a Fairy Tale.
If alliances were formed only among those who never casted a vote against a former tribemate, then pretty much everyone would go rogue and be playing the game by themselves.

#6 - The Commission concludes “intellectualism” went into the hopper years ago when spinology, proposed “scripts,” and self-serving conspiracy theories were posted on these Boards.

#7 - Castaways could have Rip Van Winkled their nights during Season One and it would not have matter with no idols or advantages to be proactively searched for and found.

#8 - The Aruba Commission did not realize it was conversing with Mr. Jim Early who appears to be SO definitive that no idols or advantages were out there to be found this past episode.

"RE: "Be The Survivor" S36 Ep09: "Sea Slug Sliders""
Posted by michel2 on 04-21-18 at 03:25 PM
>The Commission is merely disclosing its
>findings and publishing its appropriate
>conclusions. It is the RESPONSE
>from a bored viewer who
>is contradicting the Aruba Commission.

Finding #6 had nothing to do with the latest episode. It was just a pathetic attempt to rile me up.

>#1 - A player would consider
>making up an advantage to
>further themselves in the game.
>Tony helped his cause by
>making the advantage of the
>Idol with Special Powers greater
>than it really was. Yes,
>it comes with a risk,
>but risks and big moves
>win seasons.

But Tony DID have a super-duoer idol to protect himself. Jenna would be asking them to flush out her advantage with nothing to protect her.

>#2 - The same accusation was
>thrown at the Warren Commission
>for refusing to acknowledge an
>unproven conspiracy theory about a
>second gunman in the grassy
>knoll. Such are the criticisms
>all Commissions have to deal
>with.

You really need to rewatch the Seinfeld episode where Kramer accuses Keith Hernandez of spitting on him. Commissions are OFTEN wrong and more often their reports are put on a shelf to collect dust which is all they are worth.

>#3 - It’s not necessarily about
>winning or losing; it is
>about putting out an effort
>and not wimping out.

But since he wanted to throw that IC then looking like a wimp was perfect for Wendell. As long as he doesn't wimp out when he needs to win immunity.

>#4 - Criticizing the nauseating embellishment
>has been the Commission’s business
>from the onset. It is
>only in a bored viewer’s
>“script” that would suggest over-exaggerated
>emotion be the reason for
>a re-invite.

Jenna and Amber got re-invited to the first A$$ because of that.

>#5 - “Hey Laurel; hey Donathan...forget
>the fact you are currently
>part of the most powerful
>alliance so far this season
>with not only one, but
>TWO HIIs. Why don’t you
>throw that all away because
>I have a burnt stick
>with a face on it.”
> LOL. “Hi Jenna...what’s
>up? I’ve got an F---ing
>stick in my pants that
>will make you forget about
>eyelash boy forever.” LMAO. Those
>“scripts” wouldn’t even work in
>a Fairy Tale.
>If alliances were formed only among
>those who never casted a
>vote against a former tribemate,
>then pretty much everyone would
>go rogue and be playing
>the game by themselves.

Did you miss the part where BOTH Laurel and Donathan talked about getting rid of Wendell. If Michael had offered a better alternative, he could have gotten them on board. The problem was why get rid of Wendell if it's to giove the game to Michael?


>#6 - The Commission concludes “intellectualism”
>went into the hopper years
>ago when spinology, proposed “scripts,”
>and self-serving conspiracy theories were
>posted on these Boards.

Doubt is the mother of wisdom.

I seriously doubt the accuracy of what we're shown. You'd be wise to put just an ounce of doubt in that Kool-Aid.

>#7 - Castaways could have Rip
>Van Winkled their nights during
>Season One and it would
>not have matter with no
>idols or advantages to be
>proactively searched for and found.

Probst wasn't talking about finding idols but about sleeping comfortably thinking that you are a sure bet to make the Final 3. Gervase entered the merger thinking that his amicable manners would be a sure ticket to the Final 3.


>#8 - The Aruba Commission did
>not realize it was conversing
>with Mr. Jim Early who
>appears to be SO definitive
>that no idols or advantages
>were out there to be
>found this past episode.

The idol at the Naviti camp was found a long time ago and there were no games to be played at GI so it stands to reason that no idols were available. Anyway, what makes YOU so sure that Libby didn't didn't spend at least SOME time looking for an idol?


"RE: "Be The Survivor" S36 Ep09: "Sea Slug Sliders""
Posted by kingfish on 04-22-18 at 01:25 PM
You're drinking the Kool-aid too.

Yet you doubt what we were shown of Alexis and James not being DQ'd, and not only that you defend the Reddit post of a delusional Kathy who had been off her meds while on the island. And presenting as fact what you think Probst was thinking. (yeah, I caught that one).

"RE: "Be The Survivor" S36 Ep09: "Sea Slug Sliders""
Posted by Aruba on 04-23-18 at 08:18 PM
The theme for this Ghost Island season is about past seasons curses and whether the castaways will be able to reverse any of the curses. A good portion of the Commission’s post this week pertained to that theme. And with Michael being the first to officially reverse a curse it had everything to do with this past episode. Just because YOU are very unhappy with this season and have self-defined yourself as a “bored viewer,” it does not mean when the Commission DOES focus on the theme you can erroneously make a blanket comment that is has “nothing to do with the latest episode.” #6 was any elaboration on that very theme.

The “Super-Duper” idol Tony possessed would have not helped him had he followed the accompanying paperwork word-for-word. The fact he proactively made it more than it really was helped his cause at the F4 TC.

The only frustrated souls who deem Commissions as “wrong” are those unable to dispute the Commission without any solid, indisputable evidence to verify their conspired theories in a meager effort to support their own self-interests.

Amber was a second or third alternate for the season they had the audacity to call “All-Stars.”

You don’t “throw” a challenge you have no chance of winning. LOL. You either give your best shot...or you wimp out and quit.

At this stage of the game, it makes perfect sense to target a castaway you think the Jury might fall in love with and award the million to...someone you would not want to sit next to at FTC. The Commission cannot fault Michael, or any other remaining castaway, for thinking that way.

Here’s a quote the Commission would like to share: Stubborn and ardent clinging to one's opinion is the best proof of stupidity. Michel de Montaigne
Obviously a different “Michel.”

AHHHH, so now Mr. Jim Early has the inside dope on what Jeff is thinking as well?!

"RE: "Be The Survivor" S36 Ep09: "Sea Slug Sliders""
Posted by michel2 on 04-23-18 at 09:00 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-23-18 AT 09:01 PM (EST)

>The only frustrated souls who deem
>Commissions as “wrong” are those
>unable to dispute the Commission
>without any solid, indisputable evidence
>to verify their conspired theories
>in a meager effort to
>support their own self-interests.

American commissions must be really more effective than their Canadian counterparts. Here, most commissions are simply PR work and once the public has been distracted by another matter, the commission's report is quielty put on a shelf for all eternity.

>Amber was a second or third
>alternate for the season they
>had the audacity to call
>“All-Stars.”

Considering the many strong female characters that didn't make the first A$$ (Gretchen, Kelly W. Colleen, Lis, Lis, Kimmi, T-bird, Kelly G. Tammy, Gina and Helen) being second or 3rd alternate wasn't bad at all. And all because of her "Oh! my god! this is Sooooo gooood!"

>You don’t “throw” a challenge you
>have no chance of winning.
>LOL. You either give your
>best shot...or you wimp out
>and quit.

So, you can read Wendell's mind and know he couldn't eat that food!! Going by his OWN QUOTE, I think he faked the whole thing.

>At this stage of the game,
>it makes perfect sense to
>target a castaway you think
>the Jury might fall in
>love with and award the
>million to...someone you would not
>want to sit next to
>at FTC. The Commission cannot
>fault Michael, or any other
>remaining castaway, for thinking that
>way.

But you have to aim for an attainable target. You do that by ASKING the others who'd they'd want gone, not by imposing YOUR choice.

>Here’s a quote the Commission would
>like to share: Stubborn and
>ardent clinging to one's opinion
>is the best proof of
>stupidity. Michel de Montaigne
>Obviously a different “Michel.”

Yes, but it wasn't Aruba de Montaigne either. Changing opinion isn't necessarily a sign of intelligence. It's often a sign of weakness or of indecisiveness.

>AHHHH, so now Mr. Jim Early
>has the inside dope on
>what Jeff is thinking as
>well?!

I'm going by what Jeff said. They were talking about the Naviti alliance and how they couldn't all be in the top 3. Jeff clearly said that those on top were trying to put to sleep those that weren't. Nothing was said about idols at that point. Unless Jeff didn't mean what he said, I didn't need to read his mind. Maybe you should play attention a little more.


"RE: "Be The Survivor" S36 Ep09: "Sea Slug Sliders""
Posted by Aruba on 04-24-18 at 09:21 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-24-18 AT 09:26 PM (EST)

You can bet your bottom dollar Commissions are effective in the USA. After working for eight years in a Medical Center/Hospital, the invaluable service provided by Joint Commissions can be vouched for. Tens of thousands of these Commissions are established in independent not-for-profit Healthcare organizations across our country to provide safe and effective care of the highest quality and value.

Most of the females you mentioned were not “strong women” by the Commission's determination. And many, many more were bigger embellishers than Amb”a.” Ironic you mentioned Colleen because Colleen and Elisabeth were two of the former cute castaways who declined the invite before Production went deeper and offered the opportunity to Amb”a.”

And the wheels on your bus “spin” round-n-round...with Wendell being your latest passenger.

Michael did not “impose” his choice on anyone. What episode were YOU watching???
When he was talking with Angela he simply said, “I’m worried about Dom and Wendell.” It was Angela who asked HIM who do you think should go first? Michael ANSWERED Wendell.
You stated Michael should have ASKED the others. When he was sitting with Donathan, Laurel and Libby his exact words were, “Who are you thinking about tonight?” Now it’s been a while since anyone on the Commission attended first grade grammar/English class, but that statement definitely should end with a QUESTION MARK.

Considering all the inaccurate responses that none of the Commission’s postings have been “findings,” here is one even the most whiny of all bored viewers would have to regard as a “FIND.” And the author of the quote even shares your same name...and still no props or accolades?
Geez Louise!!

The Commission has lost count how many times you’ve hung Probst in effigy for “fixing,” “rigging,” and “manipulating” his “script” whenever you deem the result undesirable or not happy with the outcome. Now you resurrect him and go by what this very source of your boredom and discontentment said for no other reason than to rebut the Commission.
Par for the course...

"RE: "Be The Survivor" S36 Ep09: "Sea Slug Sliders""
Posted by michel2 on 04-25-18 at 01:08 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-25-18 AT 01:09 PM (EST)

Gretchen was the ultimate Survivalist, Kelly W set a record for female castaways winning 4 ICs in a row. T-Bird, Tammy and Gina were good players. Kimmi proved quite entertaining when she finally returned.

Colleen was a viewer's favorite but if you had read Burnett's book, you'd realize that she wasn't the Boss' favorite. Far from it.

No spin, I'm just going by Wendell's words at the reward. Of course you'll dismiss them because what the players say is not important when it doesn't suit your opinion.

Ok, I'll give you that Michael asked but no one told him to vote for Wendell. That was HIS choice. If no one answered him he should have realized he was going in the wrong direction.

When we're talking about what Jeff said, of course I'll go by his words. He mostly rigs the show from behind the scene, not when the cameras are rolling. (He often coerces players into making "Big Moves" for the cameras and while I see that as rigging, most viewers see it as entertaining.)

"RE: "Be The Survivor" S36 Ep09: "Sea Slug Sliders""
Posted by kingfish on 04-22-18 at 01:19 PM
The Commission has been commissioned to commit and admit something about nothing, so, in the interests of anything worth commissioning, here goes:

#1. Agreed, although that nothingness might get her the third chair at F3, it also makes unlikely that she will advance from that.

#2. I think Donathan would have won the hearts of all survivor fans and viewers and struck fear into the hearts of his tribemates who were thinking he was just a harmless dweeb if he had launched himself with that slingshot. Which he almost did. Very funny, I wish he had gone up on the launch platform again just for my amusement.

#3.Sebastian, for his body of work during all episodes. Easily.

#4. 19 yos, whataya gonna do? They put on an act that they are worldly wise, but are really so inwardly insecure that they have to exaggerate everything they do or think because they think that if anyone could see their real self, that they wouldn't be liked. Yeah, well, we were all there once.

#5. Michael does deserve kudos for that play. Well done.

#6. Eliza's lolos were lost and never regained? Gonna pretend I nebver heard that. Apostasy.

#7. Deep stack, and they ain't sleeping. Some of the men might be discovering things about themselves that they didn't know before. A reason for Wendell's preference for panties around camp?

#8. Not much she could have done to prevent being collateral damage. Mike had the stick that finally became a real boy (HI), and Gepetto's little girl had to lose.


"RE: "Be The Survivor" S36 Ep09: "Sea Slug Sliders""
Posted by Aruba on 04-23-18 at 08:27 PM
Thanks for the comments.

Yeah, I agree Sebastian wins that hands down and going away. But Wendell’s sissy wimp out could explain his preference for “panties around camp.”

"I never done nothing to her..."
Posted by kingfish on 04-21-18 at 04:59 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-21-18 AT 08:57 PM (EST)

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However I will provide this week’s spoilers, but very very quietly. Some of them are hilarious, but if you can, please keep your jocular vocalizations to a minimum. I’d hate to die today.

Jocular Spoiler #1. Dom fakes using the fake HI and fools no one because the only idiot stupid enough to fall for it has been evicted. He then uses an authentic advantage. So, since he is down to his last HI, Jeff reaches into his pocket and gives him two more with the admonition not to spend more than one a week from here out. He also askes Dom to help the cause and please win a challenge or two, HI’s are expensive.

Jocular Spoiler #2. In order to practice the conservation that Jeff urged, Dom decides to convince everybody that he isn’t an asshole. Even Chris didn’t fall for that line of malarkey last week, and he has been booted, so unless someone gets struck by lightening and has his/her brain fried, no one else is likely to buy that load of crap.

Jocular Spoiler #3. So, a Tiki Taco hut has been just down the beach all this time? Well, I guess they must have placed machine gun sentries like the ones that enforce the “Don’t leave camp without a camera crew” portions of their contracts there too. But after three weeks of rice and coconuts, I would have grabbed the machete and gone for it. Using one of the sling shots to throw Donathan at them as a distraction might work.

Actually, the machine gun guard sentries are an improvement over the leg shackles they used to use. I guess the poop piles that accumulated during the night back then made them change their method of contract enforcement. Because, you know, you just can’t have an imaginary contract clause broken. Wouldn’t be proper.

Speaking of imaginary contract clauses, there have even been are imaginary disqualifications unless Alexis serving on the Micronesia Jury counts as a disqualification, and James's medical evacuation also counts as a DQ. Beware false prophets.

Jocular Spoiler #4. Sebastian finally exhibits his only survival talent. The ability to pop down fish eyes. He just sucked those slippery suckers down. I knew he had it in him. Or that he could get it in him. But those sea slugs were just one horror too far.

Jocular Spoiler #5. Angela, knife clenched firmly in her teeth, goes to war. Blood, guts, heads rolling, casualties, bodies on the ground. She’s choked up, this reminds her of the good old days in Iraq, and she wishes had some camel blood to drink to wash it all down with.

Jocular Spoiler #6. Wendell’s still in his underwear. By now it’s a fashion choice or a show of exhibitionism, and not an Survival necessity. I am personally grateful that he’s not going all-out Hatch on us.

Jocular Spoiler #7. This week the camp will be invaded by the wild feral Fiji house cat. And their cute little kitties. Kitty selfies playing with sea shells are to be posted on the web site that features Horrible Fiji Animals one can encounter at night.

Jocular Spoiler #8. I am looking at Laurel and thinking that Survivor has taken it just too far when they let her be visited by her hair weave specialist. I mean, it looks good and all, great in fact, but as part of a survival endurance test? And if they have to have a cosmologist visit the island to tend to Laurel’s hair, they should also let Libby get some attention too. The wild Yeti look does become her, though, so maybe that’s a fashion choice too.

Jocular Spoiler #9. As a PSA for those that are bored with this site and or with Survivor, if you’re bored, please leave and take your whining with you. Or at least present your boredom with attempts at humor. Bleak, whiny, backbiting, insulting, or continually critical comments don’t really go over as well or sound as intelligent as you seem to think they do.

Jocular Spoiler #10. Impressive how Angela can take a big one and shove it down her throat. She should use that talent to get on Jeff’s good side.

Jocular Spoiler #11. This time the Stick isn’t just a stick. It’s a dagger to Libby’s heart, and it’s a spike that Mike uses to anchor his stay on the Island for one more week. Well played, Michael.

Rumor Mills with the latest spoilers guaranteed to be pretty much true (ish).
(This will have to do until the Tribster returns).

"You've never done nothing funny "
Posted by michel2 on 04-22-18 at 02:22 AM
LAST EDITED ON 04-22-18 AT 11:27 AM (EST)


0 for 11. No laughs at all.

PS. This is what Kathy had to say about the Disqualifications:

"It was James, Alexis and Erik who got busted breaking into production camp. James told me in New York that even while I was still there, they had stole gatorades and peanut butter and hid it in the med box...."

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/272hlz/i_am_kathy_sleckman_from_survivor_16_micronesia/

And remember, the original source wasn't a player but a production insider and he told us that James and Alexis were both getting booted in the F7 episode.

Erik's dumb move of giving immunity was likely part of the disqualifications also.

PPS. 50 or so Idols ALL caught on tape.

Now, if you were quick, you would have said that these two facts contradict each other but remember, I'm not saying the players NEVER break the rules, I'm stating those rules and a consequence of a group breaking them. The show staged a mock evacuation, a mock idol play by Amanda and the whole "give up your immunity to Natalie" scenario to hide the fact that 3 players had broken the rules.

Likewise, Sash was DQed for mortgage-gate but since Jane only mentioned it during FTC, he wasn't thrown out of the game. Instead, no one was allowed to vote for him.

"RE: You've never done nothing funny "
Posted by kingfish on 04-22-18 at 12:27 PM
Correction, 11-0. (has it really been 11? Time really flies when you're having fun). I do it for my own amusement, and my record is 11-0 so far. But you are unamusable, I've found, so your opinion is predictable. Next week it'll be 0-12 in your books. An outlier.

James Clement, Medical evacuation day 31, 4th Jury member. Not a DQ.

Alexis Jones, Voted out day 33, at a normally scheduled TC. 5th Jury member. Not a DQ.

There was no mock evacuation, that's just another one of the theories that you invented in an attempt justify your assertions. James' finger infection? A mock infection? Don't be silly.

Both were normal game events and both were witnessed by millions of TV viewers, including you (I assume) and myself. Both showed up with other jury members at subsequent TCs, and both were with the cast at the final reunion. Neither were DQ'd. Unless you want to revise your silly assertion with accusations of photo shopping or CGI effects? Hey, why not? You can fit whatever theory you wish to imagine with modern visual effects. While your at it, why not invent a new species of wild Fiji tiger?

Don't know why Kathy would invent stories. But after reading her posts, it's quite clear that she has her own deluded and self-oriented agenda.

But by her own admission, she was off her prescribed meds while on the island, primarily Zoloft. Here's the description of Zoloft;

Sertraline (generic for Zoloft) is used to treat depression, panic attacks, obsessive compulsive disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder, social anxiety disorder (social phobia), and a severe form of premenstrual syndrome (premenstrual dysphoric disorder).

Wow. It's a perfect description of someone who is prone to making up destructive stories about others.

Reddit is not a place where one would expect to find verified truth tellers. She is probably very afraid of non-existent snake dangers or the wild Fiji feline house cats also.

Nice attempt at explaining away one of your contradictions. So many more to go.


Rumor Mills with the latest spoilers guaranteed to be pretty much true (ish).
(This will have to do until the Tribster returns).

"RE: You've never done nothing funny "
Posted by michel2 on 04-22-18 at 04:15 PM
It's amazing how little you know of a show you love. Of course James, Alexis and Erik would be on the jury if production went to that length to cover up cheating.

A production insider and cast members tell us about the cheating and it's somehow MY theory? You are a weird one.

PS. I never said their were felines in Fiji, just that Survivor was played in locations where there were dangerous animals; The Amazon, Africa, South-East Asia, etc... Taunting me with what you think are wise remarks just show that you're close minded.

"RE: You've never done nothing funny "
Posted by kingfish on 04-22-18 at 06:45 PM
First, you've not provided links to contract clauses you say exist, nor to anyone still on their meds to back up your point about Alexis and James, so far your only defense of that theory is just your your invention about why what we see with our own eyes is not what we see with our own eyes. Those two are forever listed as not DQ'd, both were jury members that cast final votes, and both showed up at the final show for that season.

Not DQ'd. Unless DQ'd means they were not DQ'd and allowed to continue as if nothing had ever happened. Then I guess it's reasonable to say any one or all survivors were DQ'd.

Second, here is your quote: "They are in a jungle with wild animals around so you'd have to be pretty brave to go out at night without an escort (who are probably equipped to deal with those threats.)

Another quote from you, Maybe you are Tarzan (or think you are) but most people wouldn't want to run into a snake or a wild feline at night with no lights or weapons.

Present tense. Both quotes. Even the personal insult. I can only read what you write, and you posted that in the present tense, a direct reference to Fiji.

And the short answer is no they are not in a jungle with wild animals. They just aren't. That is not an excuse.

I didn't dig the close-minded remark either, and although I'm getting pretty much used to that kind of thing from you, I have to comment that that insults are a coward's defense. If I had just read your posts in Spoilers, I would never have guessed that you would resort to that sort of spiteful thing.

It's very reasonable of me to point out that there are no wild animals in Fiji, and very weird of you to try to deny that you said there were.

"RE: You've never done nothing funny "
Posted by michel2 on 04-22-18 at 07:20 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-22-18 AT 07:37 PM (EST)

If you didn't take my quotes out of context you'd realize that we were talking of all the idols found so I was talking of all the seasons, not just Fiji. The funniest thing is that I checked Fiji's fauna to see if I could apply it specifically to this season but nothing is really dangerous out there except in the sea. Still, we've had them in dangerous surroundings before so I mentioned it.

Why don't you look for the contract if you're so curious? I read the contract so I know what I'm talking about. Don't denigrate what I say unless you inform yourself on the matter.

Kathy may have been on meds at one point but I've often read her posts on POS and she's quite sharp, let me tell you. Why attack the messenger when the message bothers you? Anyway, other castaways talked about it also. It's not a theory, it's known facts.

Why were they allowed on the jury? That would only be speculation on my part but I know production has complete control over what is shown on the island but not complete control over the ratings. James was hugely popular and telling everyone that he cheated would have created a lot of negativity and a lot of doubts.

We saw the result: They scripted those eliminations to keep the whole thing quiet. Most of their adoring fans would never hear about it while the few who did would dismiss it! It took you TEN YEARS to hear about it and you still refuse to admit it! Instead of telling everyone that James, Alexis and Erik were out of the game, they built two memorable episodes.

This way, the well-liked James went out as a hero instead of a cheater and the fans didn't start asking questions about other players who could have cheated and gotten away with it.

PS. The only unproven theory about the end of Micronesia concerned Cirie. None of the castaways mentioned her as being part of the cheaters but some say that the last minute change from a Final 3 to a Final 2 was to send Cirie to the jury also, removing her from contention, her penalty for being part of the raid.

I've been sitting on the fence on that one. It wouldn't surprise me but I always ask myself why would they screw Natalie like that? If Cirie had been removed at the same time as the other three then Natalie would have made the Final 3.

ETA: Re-reading this thread, I realize we've gone down a nasty path. When you started resorting to insults, I lost all respect for you so I went down your road. But I've edited the digs at you in hope that we can return to a civil discussion.

"RE: You've never done nothing funny "
Posted by kingfish on 04-23-18 at 12:35 PM
I posted your quote. It's actually your words in present tense. Which in this case referred to Fiji. In context.

At least you finally took the time to check what fauna exists on Fiji.

The only real facts are that those survivors were not DQ'd, they both served on the jury, and they both were at the final show. They did not leave the show, nor were there any repercussions. Even in the spirit of no more insults, you must admit that your conspiracy theories carry less weight than observed actions.

Kathy was on meds before the show, and was not while on the island. Obviously, her word on that isn't reliable either.

I'm willing. But I have to say I respond to insults in kind. I don't initiate. I edited this response with that in mind.

"RE: You've never done nothing funny "
Posted by michel2 on 04-23-18 at 06:02 PM
If you had read my post properly you would have noticed that I checked out Fiji's fauna prior to posting. We were talking about ALL the idols found on Survivor so I was talking about ALL the locations visited where, yes, wildlife at times could have been dangerous.

Seeing James, Alexis and Erik on the jury doesn't mean that they weren't DQed from the game. Sitting on the jury means they were taken out of the game. We were shown that James was medevaced, that Amanda's idol got rid of Alexis and that Erik stupidly gave up immunity but ALL those were staged. Production's plan was to cover up the whole incident so they HAD to be part of the jury.

Kathy reported what James told her AFTER the show. She was back in the US by then and perfectly healthy both mentally and physically. Since it happned 10 years ago, this was the only link I dug up but back then, others mentioned it. Like I said, to those like me with inside information, it isn't even a theory anymore. We know it happened.

This was the post with the first direct insult:

http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID1/4586.shtml#18

"RE: You've never done nothing funny "
Posted by kingfish on 04-23-18 at 09:46 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-23-18 AT 10:02 PM (EST)

You post and your context did not make that clear. You said, in the present tense, that they should be afraid of wild cats at night on the island. Snakes also. If you misspoke, well, that happens to all of us. It's forgivable. And you're forgiven. I'll stop poking at your phobias. But, even rereading it, you did say that in the context of Fiji.

Just as a side note, I did a trip through the Botswana Okavango for about 2 weeks one year, sleeping in tents with the latrine (a hole in the ground), about 60 feet away. And nightly visits to it with an LED head lamp clamped to a baseball cap visor. And every morning there were fresh hyena and lion tracks between all 4 tents and around the camp fire. But they were never threatening.

BTW, I highly recommend doing that during the Okavango wet season.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that disqualified means removed from the game. In baseball, you leave the game and go to the showers, same in football, same in basketball. Otherwise, it's something else. Let's not have another English/French semantics argument. A penalty kick maybe, given demerits maybe, slapped on the wrist, made to sit in the corner, but disqualified is a universal term that means you're out of the game. DQ'd. Gone. Not qualified to remain in the game. Or on the field of play.

And your insults began way before that.

"RE: You've never done nothing funny "
Posted by michel2 on 04-23-18 at 11:37 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-24-18 AT 09:51 AM (EST)

You refuse to accept any of my explanations so there's nothing I can add about the wildlife comment. It's only a big deal in your head.

Just like disqualified Baseball, Football amd Basketball players, James, Alexis and Erik were taken out of the game and sent to their "locker room", namely Ponderosa. There, I'm sure, a shower was one of the first order of business. Unlike Baseball. Football and Basketball players, James, Alexis and Erik weren't even allowed to return to the game the next day. Instead they sat on the side lines, off the field of play, forced to watch the action in silence.

Now, if you want to make it about semantics, I'm not sure why disqualification wouldn't apply but I'll let you come up with the word that best fits "taking players out of the game for cheating and then covering up the affair to protect the show's reputation".

"It's only a big deal in your head. "
Posted by kingfish on 04-24-18 at 02:19 PM
It's only a big deal in your head.

Again you revert to the tone using personal insults that you began last season. A very quick reversal from what you posted just a couple of days ago.

And admittedly it’s not a big deal. It's only that you made a statement in defense of your assertion that the survivors are afraid of wildlife in the present tense which refers to the current season, on Fiji, and refuse to admit that it was incorrect. Anybody reading your statement would assume you meant that. If you didn’t, you didn’t, and I’ll accept your explanation. But then you claim that I was wrong because I interpreted your statement as being out of context. And it clearly and demonstrably wasn't. It's not a big deal in any case.

On your final point, you refuse to admit that they weren't disqualified. But they stayed in the game until they were either medically evacuated or voted out in the normal course of the game. So it's clear that they were not disqualified from playing. They were on the jury, both of them, and both voted at the final TC. There is no way that can be interpreted as either or both of them being disqualified when they played the whole game, all the way to the end. Both went to the Ponderosa, not due to DQs but in the regular course of events following the rules of the game. Or are you also alleging that the other jury members that season were also DQ’d? Also, they went to Ponderosa on different days, day 31 (James Med evac) and day 33 (Alexis voted out). If they were caught stealing food or whatever, wouldn't they have left the game at the same time? Does this really sound like DQ actions to you?

Please, don't make up theories to fit your predetermined conclusions.

"Not-disqualified" is an applicable term. There is no indisputable evidence that they were even "penalized" in any way, but if what you alleged did happen, that would be the term to use.

"RE: It's only a big deal in your head. "
Posted by michel2 on 04-24-18 at 10:25 PM
I know that they weren't thrown out of the game at the same time but that was necessary for the cover up. Can you imagine the reaction if, in the middle of episode 12, Jeff had walked into camp to remove James, Alexis and Erik? First of all, what would have been shown in episode 13? No, it was much more profitable, ratings-wise, to have Amanda eliminate Alexis with an idol and force Erik to make the biggest boneheaded move of all time. Fans LOVED Micronesia but it would have been quite different if the disqualifications had been shown.

PS. I'll also have you note that, despite being on the jury, James and Alexis votes cancelled each other out while Erik's vote for Amanda meant nothing! And if Cirie was also part of the DQ then her vote cancelled Erik's!

PPS. This is old history and I've wasted too much time on it. I wanted to inform you on this matter but I see I'm getting nowhere. You love the show; I get it.


"RE: It's only a big deal in your head. "
Posted by kingfish on 04-25-18 at 04:30 PM
Side note: you don't really know me, but if you did you would know that besides being a hilarious Spoiler reporter (11-0 last count) I am also a dyed in the wool skeptic. I need to see either solid proof or a convincing, logical explanation for anyone's assertions. I think this helps explain our differences on the Alexis/James issue.

We know what we saw; both went to Ponderosa, ostensibly as either an evictee or an med evac., and both continued on in the jury and showed up at the final show. Those are the established facts I that hope we can agree on. Also that Kathy made a claim that she and James committed a food theft, as well as confessing that she was off her meds during the show.

But you contend that there is a conspiracy that involves all of the other survivors (they would have to all be in on it) plus the US production crew and some of the island locals to hide that they were instead penalized (I hope you've abandoned the term "disqualified" by now) for a food related infraction. A coordinated action which had Jeff (or whoever) require behind the scenes actions by other survivors, totally outside the rules of the game - Unless there are clauses in their contracts that would require all the aforementioned personnel to cooperate with the penalizations and not breath a word of them to anybody. And then to have all of those people actually adhere to that stipulation. That is just not within the realm of believability.

The most likely explanation for Kathy's claim is that she was delusional because of lack of prescribed medication, or that she wanted another spot in the headlines, or because of some other self serving reason.

Put yourself in my shoes, if you have an ounce of skepticism in you would you buy the conspiracy scenerio? I just can't.

But you're right, we've hashed this back and forth enough. Let's let it lie.

"RE: It's only a big deal in your head. "
Posted by michel2 on 04-25-18 at 07:45 PM
I love a sceptic! I wish you'd be a little sceptic about the product we are sold?

I truly like the way you expressed your opinion but there's just one thing you've neglected: The term disqualification actually came from the production insider who spoiled the information that James and Alexis were going to be thrown out of the game for stealing food but that it wouldn't be presented that way. The spoiler was accurate so the inside info had to be also.

"RE: I never done nothing to her..."
Posted by Aruba on 04-23-18 at 08:24 PM
I suppose “boredom” saps out all one’s sense of humor as well, because I thought #5 and #6 were hilarious.

Nice to see confirmation that Michael’s reversal of the curse was “well played.”

In order for Angela’s “talent” to get on Jeff’s good side, she’ll need to get over that gag reflux.

"RE: I never done nothing to her..."
Posted by michel2 on 04-23-18 at 09:05 PM
OK, but it would still only be 2 out of 11...
"RE: I never done nothing to her..."
Posted by kingfish on 04-23-18 at 09:52 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-23-18 AT 10:00 PM (EST)

Not to be contentions over this point, but I have been doing this since the first parody of the Hantz spoiler, at times to the sounds of crickets. So even 2 of eleven is OK.

Even though the correct score is 11 of 11.

"RE: I never done nothing to her..."
Posted by Aruba on 04-24-18 at 09:24 PM
Point of clarification: Two of the points were “hilarious,” but that’s not to say the other nine were not amusing, funny, and entertaining. Then again, the Commission is not a disgruntled “bored” viewer.
"RE: I never done nothing to her..."
Posted by kingfish on 04-25-18 at 02:52 PM
11-0.