I think Bob voted for Susie to conceal his actions. If he voted for Randy, then the 6-2 count puts Randy right on him, as he wouldn't immediately believe Corinne would have gone into an alliance-for-a-day to get rid of her last, best hope.

But with Bob voting for Susie, Bob gets to pitch this lie: 'I truly thought it was a real idol. Sugar must have made the fake and left it for me to find.' There are people who can contradict that -- but who is Randy more likely to believe?

>But with Bob voting for Susie,
>Bob gets to pitch this
>lie: 'I truly thought
>it was a real idol.
> Sugar must have made
>the fake and left it
>for me to find.'
>There are people who can
>contradict that -- but who
>is Randy more likely to
>believe?

That would not work because Bob told Sugar that he knew he had the fake immunity. Sugar will either be on the jury and could call him out or Sugar will be in the final three with Bob and could call him out.

The castaway-playing-a-fake-idol scene is getting old, frankly. This is what? the 3rd time we've seen it? And even when the person who is humiliated truly deserves it, as has been the case every time (coincidence? or editing?), I still end up fast forwarding thru the majority of TC. It is uncomfortable to watch people humiliated in this manner, even an obnoxious jerk like Randy. I can't say I enjoyed it. That's just me. What exactly was Sugar laughing about? The first two times were somewhat comical because the two people involved should have known better. This was not the case here. Anyone would have taken Bob's faux-idol as the real thing, especially in the circumstances Randy was in. I understand completely anyone having a big smile of satisfaction over seeing Randy get booted in that fashion, but laughing about his humiliation makes those people about as bad as Randy, at least in that moment.

>

>The castaway-playing-a-fake-idol scene is getting old,
>frankly. This is what? the
>3rd time we've seen it?
>And even when the person
>who is humiliated truly deserves
>it, as has been the
>case every time (coincidence? or
>editing?), I still end up
>fast forwarding thru the majority
>of TC. It is uncomfortable
>to watch people humiliated in
>this manner, even an obnoxious
>jerk like Randy. I can't
>say I enjoyed it. That's
>just me. What exactly was
>Sugar laughing about? The first
>two times were somewhat comical
>because the two people involved
>should have known better. This
>was not the case here.
>Anyone would have taken Bob's
>faux-idol as the real thing,
>especially in the circumstances Randy
>was in. I understand completely
>anyone having a big smile
>of satisfaction over seeing Randy
>get booted in that fashion,
>but laughing about his humiliation
>makes those people about as
>bad as Randy, at least
>in that moment.

I think that is while Bob's expression told it all. I think he felt bad for making Randy look like an #####. Bob I thought was in good terms with Randy.

Personally I like the fake idol thing. It was funny last time with the stick and then funny again with Bob's Idol. The producers even took all the suspense out of Randy getting eliminated instead replacing it with suspense of seeing the reaction at tribal.

Hey Iltarion,

I agree completely with your post re: Randy's humiliation at TC.

He is obviously a man who has seen the dark side of human nature once too often, or he wouldn't have behaved in the way he did. I believe I read that he preferred the company of his dog to that of his only living relative - a brother?

The performance of the "tribe" last night only serves to prove him right in his assessment of, and underlying discomfort with people in general.

Randy:

Peanuts and beer - $180

Spagetti and bread - $220

Cookies for the tribe - $20

The look on his face when the idol hit the fire -

PRICELESS!

Found it both funny and a little uncomfortable. Randy mostly deserved it for considering everyone but himself and his allies idiots. Still felt bad for him because of the very clear malice behind much of the laughter.

Found it both funny and a little uncomfortable

agree completely. Randy absolutely deserved what he got, and after all he had created all the malice aimed at him - with his sneering, his cutting remarks, his juvenile stuffing reward pastries in his mouth taunting the losing tribe. but I guess that just as it was uncomfortable to watch all of his malicious actions it was just as uncomfortable to watch that maliciousness returned. karma's a #$*$%, either way.

Yeah, it does say that all those that knew the idol was fake being unable to hold in the giggle fits does says something about them.

However, given Randy's need to rub it in the faces of those he didn't like and lord over everyone when he was in a good position...I can understand how they might not be able to hold a poker face and wait until they got back to camp to enjoy giving him a bit of the comeuppance he has been desperately asking for.

If you are going to play the bully-boy and work so hard to burn everyone and everything around you, it isn't that reasonable to expect everyone to be sad at your departure or just hand the game to you.

LAST EDITED ON 11-22-08 AT 01:08 PM (EST)

Have you ever known someone, so desperately afraid of not being liked by anyone, that they do everything in their power to be disliked? The self-fulfilling prophecy. They give themselves an excuse for not being liked - they are obnoxious.

They are afraid of being nice and trying to fit in with everyone, and still being rejected.

That is (or was) Randy.

(edited for spelling)

A lot of us have all sorts of dysfunctional ways of dealing with other people.

Doesn't mean that everyone else always will be (or should be) totally mature and never, ever, vengeful about whichever version of obnoxiousness one inflicts on everyone else.

While I can understand one of my tormentors in school musta had all kinds of personal problems I really can't feel that bad about the time I kicked the devil out of his shins. Somehow that worked so much better than all the mature, oh look how sad you are, above it all stuff everyone told me would make him stop.

Hmmm. Shin-kicking. An interesting method of conflict resolution. Probably guaranteed to work with nine year old children (the functional age of the majority of the "Survivors").

Shin Kicking works. Condescension, not so much.

Also (my personal fav.) - the reliable old nose punch. Hit them square on the nose and they will have to deal with a river of blood. Not you. This will work with conflict at any age.

Unfortunately reality tv usually has some no hitting clause so unless you can get tied to them in a challenge and "just accidentally" ram them into logs you have to find some other way to give them a comeuppance.

Have to add that part of why Randy was acting even worse than usual was in an attempt to blindside Suzie which would reduce his alliance's numbers disadvantage. If they could then add Matty they would have a numbers advantage.

Randy deserved everything he got. He's just a bigoted obnoxious fool. i'm glade he was blindsided.

Any discussion about what Randy deserved should include Sugar's voting confessional: “You are a disgusting, old, hot-headed, chauvinistic, alcoholic bigot and you need to grow up before you die alone and a loser.”

Did he kill her first born? I knew what to expect from Randy but I didn't know this about Sugar. Pure hatred like that is always ugly.

And yes, DAWishness. But this seems to fit here, so....

http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID1/3882.shtml#11

Your DAWship, I bow & giggle at your prose.

Agman camouflaged me for S17

Yea, it was hilarious seeing Randy kinda getting confident, thinking he had the real idol but it was fake.

I can't lie, a lot of times the jackasses on Survivor are funny but Randy was neither funny nor an appealing figure to have as an antagonist cause he just seemed real rude all the time and was never really funny about it.

If I were them, I'd probably have gotten pissed off at him too. I mean at least a guy like Johnny Fairplay was funny lol.

I admit, I walk on the other side of the street from most people ... I liked Randy. I also liked Hatch, Boston Rob, JFP, and Jonathan, could accept Shane, didn't much care for Rocky, and disliked Stephenie, Rupert and Amanda.

Randy said ... more than once ... if you get me you're okay with me, if you don't get me you'll run home to momma.

I dunno, maybe I 'got him', and I wish he was still there. But I guess a million bucks wasn't enough to make him want to become friends with a bunch of people he had no use for ... and considering the quality of persons of most that are left, I agree with him. I fear my other favorite this season will be next to go.

But then, they are just characters on a TV show ... edited to tell a story.

BTW, I agree with Michels comment earlier.

Randy came on Survivor with excess baggage. He stuck out like a sore thumb. He had a really big mouth & a bully attitude. I was really surprised he didn't blow up when he got voted out. I am still snickering what a great play that was.

I really disliked Randy because of how he was acting. Whether it was editing or not, the man stated that he hated everyone. Actually, I am damn near convinced the man is blatantly racist, if you look at who he seemed to hate the most, and how he was calling Crystal and GC gang leaders. That comment just seemed so out of line.

He was definitely one of those who could not handle not being in control of each and every aspect of everything. While mean, he definitely deserved to go the way he did, being humiliated and given a small taste of his own medicine. No matter how he lost and got on the jury, he'd still hate the person who "put him there" and his vote wouldn't matter anyway.

I'm not surprised he and Corinne got along. They are both so closed minded and unintelligent. If they REALLY had wanted this plan to be great, they would have put down the name of someone much higher ranking in that separate alliance, like Matty or Crystal. Their vote was entirely based on a stupid grudge.

Don't forget that the editors wanted you to dislike Randy; he must have had some redeeming qualities because Marcus, Charlie, and Matty also liked Randy.