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"What Was With Charles' Cigar???"
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09-22-05, 07:48 AM (EST)
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"What Was With Charles' Cigar???"
Did anyone else have a problem watching Charles walk around with a cigar the whole show? Now I'm not a smoker basher (I used to be one myself) but wasn't it a bit inappropriate to show it on tv? I don't know many corporations that even allow smoking anymore.

It just seems to go against the Martha Stewart brand. Further, at the beginning of the show Martha states "First impressions are very important". Well what kind of first impression was that all about.

It annoyed me.

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar??? VoiceOfReason 09-22-05 1
   RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar??? ladro 09-27-05 12
 RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar??? MissRaven 09-22-05 2
 RE: Charles "You don't Fit In " kmks 09-22-05 3
   RE: Charles "You don't Fit In " shabalaba 09-22-05 4
       RE: Charles "You don't Fit In " alliebaba 09-22-05 5
           RE: Charles "You don't Fit In " photokitty 09-23-05 8
 RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar??? bystander 09-22-05 6
   RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar??? janda3 09-23-05 7
       RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar??? Mero 09-23-05 9
           RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar??? MissRaven 09-23-05 10
       RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar??? ladro 09-27-05 14
 RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar??? craftee65 09-25-05 11
 RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar??? goldie1000 09-27-05 13
   RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar??? Thaibeach 09-27-05 15
       RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar??? foonermints 09-27-05 17
 RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar??? GeorjiB 09-27-05 16
 RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar??? Tahj 09-27-05 18
   Charles' Cigar 'just doesn't fit in... youjustdontfitin 09-29-05 19

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VoiceOfReason 13 desperate attention whore postings
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09-22-05, 11:56 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar???"
It wasn't lit. A lot of people like to hold unlit cigars for some reason. The name for these people is "idiots."
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09-27-05, 00:09 AM (EST)
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12. "RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar???"
lol
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09-22-05, 12:47 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar???"
My first thought on the cigar was PHALLIC SYMBOL! Perhaps a salute to the dink that started it all?
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09-22-05, 02:21 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Charles "You don't Fit In ""
That Charles and Cigar thing was a real insult to the viewers. We were soooooo freaked out about showing the cigar so many times that most of my friends didn't watch much of the story line.
What about "First Impressions Martha?" This is not how we are used to seeing Martha Stewart productions and hope that we won't see it again.

It annoyed me as well and most of my friends.


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4. "RE: Charles "You don't Fit In ""
The whole cigar thing didn't make sense. I wish he would just stop. I mean, can't he just put the darned thing away during filming. It was a little disconcerting.
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09-22-05, 02:34 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Charles "You don't Fit In ""
Maybe it was his variation on Bob Dole holding a pencil.
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09-23-05, 04:09 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Charles "You don't Fit In ""
I think you're right about that. Depending, that is, on why you think Bob Dole holds a pencil...

These people are not experienced tv actors. Maybe he just needed something to do with his hands.

I didn't even notice the cigar at all.

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6. "RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar???"
I think he was being a little Clintonesque and seeing if anyone wanted to be his Monica.

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09-23-05, 01:11 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar???"
As Freud would put it, "Sometimes a cigar is JUST a cigar!"
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09-23-05, 05:29 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar???"
I've never been a smoker, but don't people do that sometimes when they are trying to quit?
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10. "RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar???"
Yes that's likely true however they don't do it on national television! It jsut figured too prominently in some shots to not have some kind of yet-to be-discovered meaning. JMO
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09-27-05, 00:13 AM (EST)
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14. "RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar???"
...but sometimes it is an indication of a serious mental disorder.

sorry, I went to the dentist today, and just had 4 beers to numb the pain.

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11. "RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar???"
>Did anyone else have a problem
>watching Charles walk around with
>a cigar the whole show?
> Now I'm not a
>smoker basher (I used to
>be one myself) but wasn't
>it a bit inappropriate to
>show it on tv?
>I don't know many corporations
>that even allow smoking anymore.
>
>
>It just seems to go against
>the Martha Stewart brand.
>Further, at the beginning of
>the show Martha states "First
>impressions are very important".
>Well what kind of first
>impression was that all about.
>
>
>It annoyed me.


Couldn't he have been using the cigar as his trademark like the guy from Donald's Apprentice (can't remember his name!) did with the bow ties and the walking cane?

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13. "RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar???"
I think, he thinks, it makes him feel important !
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09-27-05, 07:07 AM (EST)
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15. "RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar???"
The BIG cigar is an unconscious attempt to make up for some physical shortcoming. Like his teeny tiny... um, hairline.


or perhaps his itty bitty weenie.

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17. "RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar???"
G-Clone says:
"A woman is just a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke."


..and maybe "little charlie" has as much fire as his cigar so sad, too bad

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16. "RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar???"
It just seemed rediculous (sp?)! It reminded me of a 16 year old with a cigarette behind their ear because they want to show off that they smoke! I noticed that in part of it he had it in his pocket ... that's a great spot for it! Just annoying! I don't care that people smoke but please, rarely do people carry around their cigarettes just because ... especially on tv!
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18. "RE: What Was With Charles' Cigar???"
I thought it was inappropriate and detracted from the show.


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19. "Charles' Cigar 'just doesn't fit in'"
clearly, there is no other explanation for giving so much air time to mr. koppelman with his cigar, other than some sort of product placement deal that either he,or martha stewart omnimedia (mso), or mark burnett productions, or donald trump's organization is deriving, either from the cigar trade association, or cigar aficionado magazine which has featured mr. koppelman in the past. or mso, mark burnett productions or the trump organization could be trading advertising air time with print ads, or some other branding deal. there is no other reason for showing so much air time for cigars; it's so obvious someone is making money off of it.

we all know that donald trump can't stand cigarette smoke, so it is shocking that he would permit such blatant advertising for the cigar trade association, on one of his franchise shows, whether or not anyone is getting paid for it. what's even more surprising is that a few months ago, donald trump did a radio public service announcement in favor of giving certain ratings on movies with smoking characters b/c he felt that children's parents should know before they take their kids to see a movie. how ironic for his partnership with mark burnett productions and mso to now flaunt cigar smoking, on a family time slot of 8 pm, knowing that martha stewart appeals to a wide demographic, including teens, and the apprentice appeals to a wide demographic, including young adults that aspire to be ceo's and want emulate the ceo's behavior.

if mr. koppelman, martha stewart and donald trump 'inspire' one person to pick up cigar smoking, shame on them.

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