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"Virginia's strategy"
I think that Virginia totally blew the finale. Picking Tom and Giacomo hurt. A lot. And then TELLING them that she picked them because they sucked, did not help either. She showed no ability to motivate or lead the team in the kitchen and that was the end.

Personally, I think that she had the better menu, the nicer restaurant and showed more creativity in executing her final concept. In the end, it came down the execution and she didn't do it - in part because she saddled herself with incompetents...intentionally!

I also think that Heather's performance overall was taken into account and she FAR outshone Virginia.

Overall, I liked this second season much more. I found the people more likeable, including Gordon. Although they definitely need to be a bit more selective on the talent side from a personality perspective they cast a good show and I hope that it will be back.


But, the four of us had a great time.


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 RE: Virginia's strategy geg6 08-15-06 1
   RE: Virginia's strategy emydi 08-18-06 20
 RE: Virginia's strategy Padme 08-15-06 2
   RE: Virginia's strategy Maroonclown 08-15-06 3
       RE: Virginia's strategy ginger 08-15-06 6
       RE: Spinoff RonReports 08-15-06 14
   RE: Virginia's strategy Fishercat 08-15-06 9
 RE: Virginia's strategy zombiebaby 08-15-06 4
   RE: Virginia's strategy Savahnna 08-15-06 5
       RE: Virginia's strategy CantStandToLook 08-15-06 11
 RE: Virginia's strategy Cyndimaus 08-15-06 7
 RE: Virginia's strategy Magnolia_Rocker 08-15-06 8
   RE: Virginia's strategy SOfan0221 08-15-06 15
 RE: Virginia's strategy Fishercat 08-15-06 10
 mleh cqvenus 08-15-06 12
   RE: mleh Labyrinth 08-15-06 13
       RE: Virginia's Picks Jadens Mommy 08-16-06 16
 RE: Virginia's strategy FOXmePUHLEEZ 08-16-06 17
   RE: Virginia's strategy Fishercat 08-16-06 18
       RE: Virginia's strategy FOXmePUHLEEZ 08-18-06 19
           RE: Virginia's strategy Cyndimaus 08-19-06 21
 Cooking shows... singer 09-06-06 22
   RE: Cooking shows... FOXmePUHLEEZ 09-07-06 23

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08-15-06, 09:44 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: Virginia's strategy"
Agreed, PRE. She was so stupid to pick the weakest and then tell them that they were. She got way too cocky about her amazing palate. A palate is not all it takes to be a great chef.

I think Heather will be a fine chef. Not spectacular, but just fine. I think that one day, with a lot of seasoning and experience, Virginia will be an absolutely fantastic chef. But she's just not ready yet. I do, however, give her credit for being a good loser and understanding why she lost.

I enjoyed this season very much. I, too, hope it will be back. From what I've seen of the rating in Entertainment Weekly, I'm pretty sure it will.

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20. "RE: Virginia's strategy"
yes it will be I read a blurb in the Pgh PG a few weeks ago that it and SYTYCD were both renewed for a 3rd season but til then you can just go &(&^ off...


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2. "RE: Virginia's strategy"
I have to agree with you on this one. I could not believe her first choice was Keith! HELLO! He is Heathers boy and both he and Heather alienated Virginia while they were all together in the competition. Keith didn't want her to win and certainly had no reason to help her do so.

I just don't understand why she says some of the things she says. She not only picked the weaker team, but she really didn't command the respect she needed to win.

Although I must say I was so tired of listening to Heather cry last night. Seems like every 5 minutes she was blubbering. UGH!

I really hope that next season they do pick better contestants!

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08-15-06, 09:59 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: Virginia's strategy"
Although I must say I was so tired of listening to Heather cry last night. Seems like every 5 minutes she was blubbering. UGH

I actually really felt Heather's passion and hunger to win during her litle crying jags. It reminded me of JD on Rockstar.

She wanted this win so badly it I could feel it in MY stomach. Got the same feeling about JD. Or was that feeling JD ON my stomach? Hmmm. But I digress.

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6. "RE: Virginia's strategy"
Funny you mentioned JD, because I thought of him last night, too. JD was the OBVIOUS choice from pretty much the word Go on Rockstar last season, and Heather was this season's obvious candidate. So I felt like they tossed in a lot of distraction editing to lead us to the foregone conclusion. It never really worked; I always felt Heather would win, although I do admit Virginia really stepped up in the restaurant design portion of the show.

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14. "RE: Spinoff"
>I actually really felt Heather's passion
>and hunger to win during
>her litle crying jags.

"Crying JAG" could be the title of a new spinoff television series. In the pilot episode, Crying JAG gets orders to ship out to Iraq.

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08-15-06, 12:19 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Virginia's strategy"
In Virginia's first pick defense, was there a single good pick to be made if Keith wasn't it?

Rachel could be, but the negative effect on Heather would probably be more prevelant than anything, and then you just give Heather K-Grese.

Didn't Sara try to sabotage Virginia?

Garrett said he cooked better for who he respected: who do you think he respected more?

And Tom and Giacomo? Heh.

I mean, Keith couldn't be less motivated to cook: but would anyone else?

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4. "RE: Virginia's strategy"
Yeah I was happy with the outcome. I personally liked Virginia more and would probably rather have a chef that thinks up and cooks great dishes than a leader but I understand they were going for an overall performance.

I am interested in their casting requirements for this show. I wonder if Virginia and Heather really were the only two who had any shot and the others were casted for dramatic reasons(hello? Tom? #####!)

I don't think I liked this season anymore than the first but no less either.



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5. "RE: Virginia's strategy"
I agree with most of this. I also took MAJOR offense with the with Kieth asking for money and everyone accepting it.

Quite honestly, I wanted Virginia to win by a very small edge...but the whole pay off gesture made me want her to lose.

I agree about the JD analogy. That passion payed off. But I think the most resonating factor for Ramsey was how she "Ran her ship". She had control mostly all times. And they did respect her a lot more.

I did get a kick out of her trying to sell her bass to the last tester in Vegas by her "you can eat chicken anytime" and the guy going for the chicken.

I think Ramsey basically is a good guy. Passion is good. lol. But even if I was into cooking....wouldn't want to be in his kitchen for that competition.

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11. "RE: Virginia's strategy"
I agree with most of what you say. I loved Virginia for her creativity and her palate but she lacked in leadership ability big time. What was she thinking telling her team they were the weakest, granted at least two of them were really weak.

There were a lot of people on the show that I couldn't believe had even made it on the show but there were at least 4 or 5 that could really cook and had some if not all of the qualities that you would expect of the winner.


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7. "RE: Virginia's strategy"
And then TELLING them that she picked them because they sucked, did not help either.

This made no sense to me! Having that as your strategy is one thing but telling them is totally another. Not a good way to motivate your team for a win.


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8. "RE: Virginia's strategy"
Honestly. I don't think Virginia had a strategy. That's giving that girl way too much credit. She's that person that everyone knows at least one of...absolutely brilliant at one thing...dumb as a stump in everything else. She is a brilliant Chef (concept, design, no time limit cooking) but she needs a whole lot of training in a lot of other areas.



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15. "RE: Virginia's strategy"
I agree, I think Virgina didn't have a real plan. She spent most of the last few episodes getting by via flirting. She had more one on one with Gordon Ramsey than any of the others combined yet she obviously didn't take it to heart.

When Heather told the design team to cut a notch out of the booth to make it fit..... I thought.....BINGO, this girl has got it together.

Virginia has a lot going for her as a chef but Heather had the hunger and the passion and I am glad she won.

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10. "RE: Virginia's strategy"
I'm with the Rat, except I liked the first season a lot better since I thought Michael, Ralph, and Elsie were better contestants (in a group) than Heather, Virginia, and Keith.

Otherwise, agree completely

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12. "mleh"

i am glad they picked heather. it shows to me that they are taking the prize seriously. that they actually DO want the restaurant in vegas to be successful, and they are picking the person they think will do that.

if they were going by creativity, menu, etc., they'd have picked virginia.

but it's clear that if they want the place to run well, heather will do a better job.

btw, DH is a retired chef. he said 'salad chef' can actually be very difficult, but it's awfully specialized. which kind of goes with how i feel about virginia.

in other news, i knew heather planned better for the win. i agree virginia really couldn't have done any better with the picking... rachel and sara hated her and would've been horrible workers for her. keith was really the best pick she could've made, and the other two, well, she just got stuck there.

but did she not see last season??? give me a friggin break! she should've KNOWN this was going to happen, and therefore been nicer to her final competitors! she wins the DUH award for this.

also, heather planned a simpler menu. virginia's was too fancy/complicated. hell's kitchen contestants are much better when things are kept simple. so there, i believe heather's strategy was much smarter.

that's all.

that and the people from last season must be like WTF! you get a restaurant in VEGAS??? and i get the friggin restaurant in london? you must be joking.

i bet michael and ralph apply for jobs at heather's restaurant. lol

as ramsey said in an interview somewhere else, 99% of the chefs in the US and the UK would give their right arm for this prize.

kudos to heather, and good luck. she's going to need it.

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08-15-06, 03:45 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: mleh"
>but did she not see last
>season??? give me a friggin
>break! she should've KNOWN this
>was going to happen, and
>therefore been nicer to her
>final competitors! she wins the
>DUH award for this.

Virginia never made friends through the season. She only whined and complained about how she wasn't "good enough" for the reward. Then, after she lied to Heather and Keith, about taking the bullet NOT, she expects Heather to help her plan for the next competition with telling her how long to keep a Beef Wellington in the oven?

I guess I kinda scratch my head over Virginia. I think she would be the type of friend who would want something from you all the time - and when you didn't give it - would cry about how you don't care about her.

Other stupid moves --- buying cheap and, in Sara's case, a backhanded gift. Better to have bought no gift.

Keith picks her to go with him to Vegas but then she stabs him with a poor gift on her own prize - and then pushes him out of the running at the end - but yet she picks him as her no. 1 chef to pull her ##### out of the fire in the end?

Her comments about why she has the losers on her team? Huh? Obviously, motivation is not in her vocabulary.

This girl has no clue. Heather showed from the first that she would do whatever she had to do so the team would win - after all it was she that was moved to Blue Team by Ramsey and then Blue Team won - with Red Team losing. Looking back, the reason Red Team won at all was because Heather was on it.

Virginia may be able to design dishes but she can't run a kitchen. She inspires no leadership. She has no ability to make or form friendships with those that work with or under her. She is totally uninspiring and worst, selfish and egocentric. The poor makings for a boss. JMO.

If I had to watch one more ep where she tells us she's "not worthy" and then cries because she "deserves it" I think I would have puked.

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16. "RE: Virginia's Picks"
I was stumped when she picked Tom and Giacomo but my husband said something that made sense. The women did not like her. She did not have their respect. It would have been harder for her to lead the women than the men.

But to tell the guys she picked them cuz they're weaker? HELLO??!!

I did like her restaurant design and menu better than Heather's but I'm glad Heather won. I would have been upset if Virginia won.

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17. "RE: Virginia's strategy"
Wouldn't it have been using her head to say, "Guys, I've been on the chopping block every week ... we ALL know what it is to be on that end of things ... we can DO this. We can SHOW what we're made of ..." And then when Keith asked for money ... sent him packing. "NO TV FOR YOU, BIG GUY!"
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18. "RE: Virginia's strategy"
Do you really want to kick the only person with any real cooking skills (sans the sous chef) out of the kitchen? As obnoxious as Keith was, he was her only lifeline in that kitchen. He doesn't perform, there's not a full service.
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19. "RE: Virginia's strategy"
I see what your saying but for me he just really sucked pickles.
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21. "RE: Virginia's strategy"
Keith minus attitude equals good chef. The times he did well in the kitchen were the times he had no attitude. Chef even told him many times how good he was and it was the attitude that got him eliminated. Virginia, knowing this about Keith, needed to "woo" him in a way that would cause the attitude to stay behind while the good cook did his best in her kitchen.


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22. "Cooking shows..."
I love watching them, but there is something about watching a Brit browbeat young American chefs that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The pun is intended.

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23. "RE: Cooking shows..."
I think about Gordon Ramsey and HK now everytime I so much as cook an EGG!!!
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