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"SPOILER - Discussion of 5/1 Episode"
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04-30-05, 02:32 PM (EST)
 
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Folks, our guidelines are clear - do not reveal spoilers in the subject line or first 200 characters of a post. This thread has been started to replace a thread discussing tomorrow night's episode that violated that guideline. I'll copy in the responses from posters to that thread who were speculating on how the match-up would occur. The spoiler is that Tivo revealed the fight would be between Joey and Peter, and this corresponds with the spoiler from Vegas Fight Writer.
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04-30-05, 02:34 PM (EST)
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From AlgeCrumpler I think Sergio wins and sets it up. However, it is not a smart move by Sergio because he should pit the weakest fighters together to have the best shot at going up against someone weak in the final 4. Just think, if Jessee and Manfredo squared off then you would have Bonsante the gimp or Joey the noob to beat in the final 4.
Sergio is a fool for thinking Joey gave his car away for strategic reasons. Joey could've won and picked Anthony last week if thats really what he wanted.
From kay_tin Joey states in a clip on the Yahoo site this week that his goal all along was to make it to the third round. He's got to know that he doesn't have much of a chance against Peter or Jesse, so I have no doubt that he does seriously consider going against the injured guy.
I'm thinking that Sergio wins the competition and decides to pick Peter and Joey to fight. It falls right into two of the things Sergio talked about on the last episode. It stops Joey from playing more mind games with all of them by putting him up against the strongest one left, and also has Peter fighting Peter. Its that 600 pound gorilla thing, Sergio mentioned last week. Peter likes Joey (and vice versa). While Peter will box to win, he might well feel guilty over hitting him too hard. While $40,000 isn't even close to $1,000,000, but it was a pretty generous gift, and it could well take some pyschological toll in the ring. I'm going to add a question to the thread here, and I'm sure I know what some of the response will be. NBC is touting Joey as the heart and soul of the show thus far. Does anyone really see him as that? While he did well in the group competitions, I haven't found his story nearly as compelling as the others, except for Ahmed perhaps. While Jesse's antics amuse me, I really see Sergio and Alfonso as the heart and soul of the show.
From Rebellwyr well from a "pull your heartstrings" standpoint, i don't think joey's story is very compelling. I would agree and say sergio and alfonso are more the "rags to riches" type. However, I think Joey will show he has a lot of heart in the ring. From what i have heard he loses this fight due to a headbutt, they go to the cards and he is down on points. It will be interesting to see the fight though. I think joey may be more talented in the ring than he is given credit for...it will be interesting to listen to manfredo's comments after the fight. The more I have thought about it, the more i think joey gave peter the truck w/o mal intent. Joey may be a true gentleman after all. From pdaj "I'm thinking that Sergio wins the competition and decides to pick Peter and Joey to fight. It falls right into two of the things Sergio talked about on the last episode. It stops Joey from playing more mind games with all of them by putting him up against the strongest one left, and also has Peter fighting Peter."
And let's not forget what VFW told us a few days ago -- it appears as though there was a definite snitch or "instigator" within the house. Is he talking about Joey? We saw Sergio question Peter and Jesse about who this person might be. Thus, does Mora take the opportunity to rid the house of the nuissance? It's a definite possibility.
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05-01-05, 07:33 AM (EST)
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Everyone keeps calling joey names for having given Manfredo the truck, hello?? In my world, if someone gave me a $40,000 truck, that makes them a GOOD GUY!! Plus, this IS a reality show, with a million dollar prize attached, so any "manipulating" on the part of Joey or Jesse, or anyone else in that house, shouldn't be looked down upon. I wonder if everyone would be saying such nasty things if the someone like Sergio or Alfonso had been the ones to give the truck away.
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05-01-05, 09:18 AM (EST)
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LAST EDITED ON 05-01-05 AT 09:24 AM (EST)"Everyone keeps calling joey names for having given Manfredo the truck, hello?? In my world, if someone gave me a $40,000 truck, that makes them a GOOD GUY!!" Well, that depends. You believe he gave the truck to Peter because they're friends -- I think he did it to secure the alliance. Thus, his act was selfish, and he wasn't very giving after all. "Plus, this IS a reality show, with a million dollar prize attached, so any "manipulating" on the part of Joey or Jesse, or anyone else in that house, shouldn't be looked down upon." Now you're trying to play both sides. If Joey gave Peter the truck away for the purpose of generosity, he's a good guy. But even if he didn't, it's okay ... because it's a reality show! So, basically, Joey's intentions have no consequences as far as your concerned. Perhaps you're a little biased? Yes, this is a reality show. But just because manipulation has a tendancy to seep it's way onto these type of shows, doesn't mean it has to be respected. "I wonder if everyone would be saying such nasty things if the someone like Sergio or Alfonso had been the ones to give the truck away." If it was evident either Alfonzo or Sergio did so for reason of manipulation, the discussion would be the same.
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05-01-05, 02:14 PM (EST)
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If you don't want to read my rambling...just read the conclusion!Who knows what actually went down and how. However, keep in mind that EPMB (Mark Burnette) is telling a story and there is a reason he didn't show us why Joey decided to give away the truck. Until we know the real reason there is no way I can judge whether it was a good strategy or not. Who knows? If you remember Jesse gave up first and then Joey stopped at the finish line. I think Jesse and Joey threw it on purpose to hold it over Manfredo's head to get the matches they wanted. IMHO! This could work to get them to the next round if they get the matches they want and if neither of them want Manfredo (we saw Jesse back down) then manipulate him so that if he (Manfredo) wins a challenge he picks someone else other than them. I think Jesse is the person that is manipulating this game to his advantage. EPMB never revels the strategic moves until he has to...it is the same way with Survivor. The story has to be compelling with twists and the only way to achieve this is by keeping some of the manipulating from us. The saying we have over on the spoiling board for this is "an alliance shown doesn't succeed". Conclusion: I think Jesse and Joey are trying to manipulate Manfredo in getting the matches they want and they are using the truck to get the leverage. Mark Burnette never shows the manipulating until he has to!
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05-01-05, 02:48 PM (EST)
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LAST EDITED ON 05-01-05 AT 02:49 PM (EST)"Conclusion: I think Jesse and Joey are trying to manipulate Manfredo in getting the matches they want and they are using the truck to get the leverage. Mark Burnette never shows the manipulating until he has to!" Interesting. The only problem I have with that theory can be explained by viewing Alfonso's website. In his episode 10 "diary" he says the following: "The challenge was pretty cool. Too bad Anthony hurt himself, and Jesse puked after the first half mile hehee that’s why his wife carried him back to the finish line." Would Jesse really goes as far as throwing up in order to "fool" everyone? According to Gomez, Jesse's failing was pretty realistic.
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05-01-05, 01:21 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: SPOILER - Discussion of 5/1 Episode" |
In yahoo's preview for tonight's show, Joey says .. "At first I thought about fighting Peter Manfredo, but .."Hmmm, so Joey gave the truck to the guy he was considering fighting? This goes beyond coincidence, people. Gilbert's constantly looking for the mental edge .. and what's a 40k truck worth to a future lawyer trying to make a million as a boxer? Now, there's no question this move looks silly to the average television viewer. But Joey doesn't fall into that category. Now -- I don't think Gilbert's a "punk" for doing this. Heck, this is the game he has to play for a chance to win. He's attempting to cover as many angles as possible and protect himself from obtaining a disadvantage in the ring. And that's fine. But let's just call it how it is! And when it comes down to it, do we really care? A poor kid from Providence gets a brand new ride, Joey gets the Alfonzo-Ahmed fight he wanted, and both Manfredo and Gilbert live to fight another day. But eventually, the game ends .. And that could be tonight.
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05-01-05, 05:07 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: SPOILER - Discussion of 5/1 Episode" |
"""and what's a 40k truck worth to a future lawyer trying to make a million?"""Well.. $40,000. Those who know way more than I do about boxing don't give Joey a chance of winning. So does Joey really think he has a chance of winning the $1,000,000? Not if he is as smart as you think he is. There are lawyers and then there are Lawyers. Lawyers that hustle and/or land jobs with big firms can make big bucks. But there are a lot of people with law degrees that sit around an office all day long waiting for the phone to ring. And/or work as paper processors for Credit and Collections companies. Or leave the profession altogether. Since Joey graduated Thomas Jefferson school of law in May 2003, and didn't pass the Bar exam till June 2004, one can reasonably conclude that Joey took at least two tries, and possibly three to pass the Bar exam (70% of first time test takers pass their first time). Additionally, TJsol is ranked near the bottom of US law schools http://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/index.php/2/asc/LawSchool Based on those facts, I think I can confidently say that Joey does not fall into the 'future big time Lawyer' category. So, whether Joey knows it or not, giving away a $40,000 truck was a stupid move (unless Sly already had some side deal with Joey).
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05-01-05, 05:23 PM (EST)
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>Based on those facts, I think
>I can confidently say that
>Joey does not fall into
>the 'future big time Lawyer'
>category. So, whether Joey knows
>it or not, giving away
>a $40,000 truck was a
>stupid move (unless Sly already
>had some side deal with
>Joey).
Joey's serious about boxing, he's working on building a clientele (particularly in the sports world), he's a partner in a law firm here in Reno, he's the new spokesman for Sly's company, and he's had tons of exposure as the "heart and soul" of The Contender. I also think I remember reading/hearing a quote about being interested in politics and entertainment.
Perhaps he won't be the next big trial lawyer, but I seriously doubt he's going to miss the $40,000 in the long run.
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05-01-05, 05:34 PM (EST)
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I totally disagree with you on the fact that it is a stupid move. Trust me...there is more to this than meets the eye and what we have been shown.
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05-01-05, 03:34 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: SPOILER - Discussion of 5/1 Episode" |
Joey drives a Land Rover, and most likely does quite well for himself as a lawyer/agent, so its not exactly like he needed the Toyota anyway. While giving the truck to Peter probably doesn't exactly hurt his cause, I really doubt it was only done for manipulative purposes. There have been several times Joey has mentioned that he is looking out for himself, Jesse and Peter. Here was an opportunity for him to "look out" for Peter who mostly likely doesn't drive anything nearly as nice. My sense is that Joey realized he wouldn't be able to make it to the final match, but that he wanted to be around as long as possible and help those he liked along the way. Hey, at this point he's reportedly Jesse's agent, why not work on being Peter's too?
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05-01-05, 05:15 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: SPOILER - Discussion of 5/1 Episode" |
I do think you have come up with some good theories, volsfan. Joey and Jesse knew each other before Contender and its not like either or them is unintelligent. I don't what to think they are simply manipulating Peter though, I prefer to think of it as a case of deciding they really like him as a person and respect him as a boxer. Hey, we can all have our little bits of delusion, right? Ultimately The Contender is a reality show, and everyone who appears on a reality show has his/her own reasons and ways to play the game. Whether or not all the boxers knew there would be so much strategy is really not the point. They all have had tons more exposure and have made some new fans. I never thought I would like boxing or care to watch any of it, and now I'm a fan of some of these guys at least.
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