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"The door stabs you on the way out."
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"The door stabs you on the way out."
You have just been traded or released from a Boston sports franchise. Were you:

A. An adulterer.
B. A drug addict.
C. A compulsive gambler.
D. A sex addict.
E. A thief.
F. A snitch.
G. Jerry Sandusky's secret identity.
H. All of the above with the option to add 'terrorist' at a later date.

What is wrong with you people?

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: The door stabs you on the way o... byoffer 06-26-12 1
 RE: The door stabs you on the way o... Max Headroom 06-26-12 2
   RE: The door stabs you on the way o... Estee 06-26-12 3
       RE: The door stabs you on the way o... PepeLePew13 06-26-12 6
           RE: The door stabs you on the way o... AyaK 06-26-12 7
       RE: The door stabs you on the way o... AyaK 06-26-12 10
           RE: The door stabs you on the way o... Estee 06-27-12 12
 RE: The door stabs you on the way o... newsomewayne 06-26-12 4
   RE: The door stabs you on the way o... Estee 06-26-12 5
   RE: The door stabs you on the way o... AyaK 06-26-12 8
       RE: The door stabs you on the way o... michel 06-26-12 9
       RE: The door stabs you on the way o... newsomewayne 06-27-12 11
           RE: The door stabs you on the way o... AyaK 06-27-12 13
           RE: The door stabs you on the way o... PepeLePew13 06-27-12 14
               RE: The door stabs you on the way o... AyaK 06-27-12 15
                   RE: The door stabs you on the way o... PepeLePew13 06-27-12 16
 Go look at the distraction. Estee 07-16-12 17
 Missed one! Estee 12-06-12 18
   RE: Missed one! AyaK 12-07-12 19
 RE: The door stabs you on the way o... Colonel Zoidberg 12-08-12 20

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byoffer 15808 desperate attention whore postings
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06-26-12, 01:23 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: The door stabs you on the way out."
huh?
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06-26-12, 01:26 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: The door stabs you on the way out."
Yoooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuukkkkkkkkkk!!!
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06-26-12, 01:53 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: The door stabs you on the way out."
Bingo. Apparently his trade was too late for the usual destruction department to get the machines up to speed for Day One, which gave the national sportswriters time to make bets on just what the team's rumor mill would throw to the press. The smart money is currently on 'snitch'.

They do this to just about every departing player, executive, manager, and occasionally the fans. They don't seem to realize it's become predictable -- by anyone outside Boston. Quite a few of the natives seem to be falling for it. Repeatedly.

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06-26-12, 03:56 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: The door stabs you on the way out."
LAST EDITED ON 06-26-12 AT 04:02 PM (EST)

*nods*

There's a definite history of burying players who have one foot out of the door and are on the media's "sh!t list". Wade Boggs, Shea Hillenbrand, Roger Clemens, et al.

I remember when we got Clemens in Toronto - he came cheap because of the hatchet job done by the GM and the media, and was rewarded with back-to-back Cy Youngs and pitching triple crowns. But of course we also begat a monster on the steroid front...

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06-26-12, 05:54 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: The door stabs you on the way out."
Ever since Bobby Valentine atacked Youkilis when he was on the DL at the start of the season, some of the local brown-nosers (come on down, Gerry Callahan!) have been attacking Youkilis repeatedly. "Clubhouse cancer" is the predominant charge.

But there is no question who would win a throwdown in Boston between Youk and Bobby V. (or between Youk and the owners), despite all of the slime thrown at Youkilis by ownership's toadies so far this season. Basically, the fan base has tuned ownership out.

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06-26-12, 08:06 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: The door stabs you on the way out."
>Bingo. Apparently his trade was too late for the usual
>destruction department to get the machines up to speed for
>Day One

But they were working before Day One in an effort to poison Youk's position with the Boston fans by throwing out the "toxic clubhouse" BS:

http://tinyurl.com/75hq3t7
http://www.overthemonster.com/2012/6/19/3097178/on-the-toxic-clubhouse
http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/8070565/boston-red-sox-plan-toxic-clubhouse

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06-27-12, 08:47 AM (EST)
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12. "RE: The door stabs you on the way out."
Huh.

Well, on the plus side, this is the most long-range planning ability the front office has displayed in the last few years.

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06-26-12, 02:05 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: The door stabs you on the way out."
I hope they got something better than a Broadway play out of the deal.
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06-26-12, 02:18 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: The door stabs you on the way out."
One slightly-used altar from The Temple Of Walks and a vague promise that he'd be a Yankee by next March.
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8. "RE: The door stabs you on the way out."
The legend that the Red Sox traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees so the owner could fund No, No, Nanette is just that: a legend, with no basis in reality.

Ruth had said he was going to hold out. He wanted a raise from $10,000 per year to $20,000. The Red Sox said no. The AL preident, Ban Johnson, hated the Red Sox' owner and discouraged teams from dealing with him, so he only got two offers for Ruth: Shoeless Joe Jackson and $60,000 from the White Sox and $100,000 from the Yankees.

Ultimately, the Yankees agreed to pay $200,000 plus loan the Red Sox $300,000. It was an unheard-of price, especially with Ruth demanding SO MUCH money per season.

The fact that it turned out to be a bargain makes people think that there was more to it. There wasn't.

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06-26-12, 06:40 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: The door stabs you on the way out."
I'd never heard that story. Interesting.
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06-27-12, 07:58 AM (EST)
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11. "RE: The door stabs you on the way out."
I don't really like baseball a whole lot, and don't really have a dog in this fight, but ESPN says that both your facts and my legend are not wholly correct.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/bio/_/id/27035/babe-ruth

Ruth wanted an increase in his salary following the 1919 season, but Frazee refused to pay him and decided to trade his star player. Finding a team to make a deal was a problem as Frazee had only two options in the Chicago White Sox and the New York Yankees. The White Sox offered the Red Sox "Shoeless" Joe Jackson and $60,000 for Ruth. The Yankees offered the Red Sox $100,000 in cash.

Boston Red Sox owner Harry Frazee sold Babe Ruth to the New York Yankees on Dec. 26, 1919. Frazee received $25,000 up front along with three promissory notes of $25,000 each at six percent interest. Frazee also received a loan for $300,000 against the mortgage of Fenway Park as collateral.

The deal was eventually known as the "Curse of the Bambino," as the Red Sox wouldn't win another World Series title until 2004. It was claimed that Ruth was sold to the Yankees in order for Frazee to finance "No, No, Nanette" on Broadway. According to author Leigh Montville, who wrote "The Big Bam: The Life and Times of Babe Ruth," he discovered that "No, No, Nannette" was indeed financed by the sale of Ruth to the Yankees.

For my part, apparently, the story gets the cart before the horse. Frazee didn't trade Ruth to finance the play, but rather traded Ruth so he didn't have to pay him so much and then later decided what to do with the cash.

For yours, I suppose it depends on the math. Perhaps the $75,000 at 6% did turn out to be $200k. Or not.

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06-27-12, 09:11 AM (EST)
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13. "RE: The door stabs you on the way out."
Frazee received $125,000 up front plus the three $25,000 notes for a total of $200,000.

No, No, Nanette wasn't produced until 1925.

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14. "RE: The door stabs you on the way out."
It was "My Lady Friends" that was directly financed by the Ruth sale, not "No No Nanette".
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06-27-12, 04:38 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: The door stabs you on the way out."
That's true, but it wasn't the reason for the sale. You guys need to read more about then-Red Sox owner Harry Frazee. He was a character, and I don't necessarily mean that in a good way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Frazee

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16. "RE: The door stabs you on the way out."
Oh, I know it wasn't the main reason for the sale, but having the money helped fund the play - I was just pointing out that it was the incorrect play that some of the money ended up being used for. Amazing how "No No Nanette" has stuck in the mind of most people as the legend behind Ruth's sale for 90+ years now.

Interesting, I didn't realize that Waite Hoyt and Herb Pennock also were traded to the Yanks from the Sox at different times. They also had large roles in turning the Yankees into a dynasty, not just Ruth.

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17. "Go look at the distraction. "
http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/8168192/boston-red-sox-bobby-valentine-blames-kevin-youkilis-poor-relationship
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18. "Missed one!"
I. A traitor.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/8720052/kevin-youkilis-offered-one-year-deal-new-york-yankees-according-sources

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19. "RE: Missed one!"
But . . . he might to to Cleveland instead to be reunited with Terry Francona.

It's hard to underestimate how unpopular Larry Lucchino has managed to become ever since he drove Theo and Tito out, but the Red Sox's huge drop in early ason sales has made it almost certain that the phony-baloney sellout string will be allowed to end next year.

Meanwhile, here's a story about Tito with the Tribe. There are more than a few people in Boston following him closely, and Larry Lucchino's toadies are already trying to denigrate him -- before the rosters are even set for spring training!

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/31309/francona-brings-positive-energy-to-indians

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20. "RE: The door stabs you on the way out."
Y'know, I just had this conversation with a friend last night over ex-Cleveland stars in which I referred to Cleveland as the "crazy ex-girlfriend" who slashes your tires, poops in your gas tank, and trashes you on Facebook after you break up with her, to the point where I was surprised Dan Gilbert's first tweet after The Decision wasn't "Hey LeBron: I'm Pregnant."

But Boston seems to take it to another level. What's the next level above "crazy ex-girlfriend?" Hmmm..."Scientology official?"

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