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aethelstan 4348 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest"	07-13-12, 11:39 PM (EST)
"London Olympic Pool"
With the London Olympics only a couple of weeks away, I thought I'd bring out the old pool and see if there are still enough of us around to have some fun with it. Here are the rules for this year's pool. You are trying to get 15 countries with the most total medals. Since the USA, Russia, China and host UK are expected to dominate, they can't be picked at all, even in the "other countries" group. The 15 countries have to come from the following groups: Group A (pick 1 of 3): Australia, France, Germany Group B (pick 3 of 5): Cuba, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Ukraine Group C (pick 3 of 7): Belarus, Brazil, Canada, Hungary, Netherlands, Romania, Spain Group D (pick 3 of 11): Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Ethiopia, Greece, Jamaica, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Norway, Poland, Turkey Group E (pick 5 of ..): all other countries not mentioned above Entries to be submitted by midnight July 27th EST (that should be about 5 am on the 28th for Starshine) First tiebreaker: How many more medals will Great Britain win over last Olympics (they got 47 in Beijing) Second tiebreaker: what will Usain Bolt's time in the 100m be? (He ran 9.69 in Beijing) Any questions? Just let me know. Thanks and Good luck!
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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID

RE: London Olympic Pool Starshine 07-14-12 1

RE: London Olympic Pool Snidget 07-14-12 2

RE: London Olympic Pool Rebel Crown 07-14-12 3

My picks aethelstan 07-17-12 4

RE: London Olympic Pool AyaK 07-18-12 5

   RE: London Olympic Pool aethelstan 07-27-12 11

RE: London Olympic Pool Molaholic 07-20-12 6

   RE: London Olympic Pool aethelstan 07-22-12 7

RE: London Olympic Pool byoffer 07-23-12 8

RE: London Olympic Pool cahaya 07-26-12 9

RE: London Olympic Pool bullzeye 07-27-12 10

RE: London Olympic Pool Max Headroom 07-27-12 12

RE: London Olympic Pool Snidget 07-28-12 13

   RE: London Olympic Pool cahaya 07-28-12 14

   RE: London Olympic Pool aethelstan 07-29-12 17

       RE: London Olympic Pool Snidget 07-29-12 18

           RE: London Olympic Pool AyaK 07-30-12 21

               RE: London Olympic Pool cahaya 08-07-12 37

RE: London Olympic Pool Puffy 07-28-12 15

   RE: London Olympic Pool aethelstan 07-29-12 16

       RE: London Olympic Pool Snidget 07-29-12 19

Day Two Snidget 07-30-12 20

Day 3 Snidget 07-31-12 22

Day 4 Snidget 08-01-12 23

   RE: Day 4 cahaya 08-02-12 24

   RE: Day 4 byoffer 08-02-12 25

Day 5 Snidget 08-02-12 26

After Day 6 aethelstan 08-02-12 27

   RE: After Day 6 cahaya 08-02-12 28

   RE: After Day 6 Snidget 08-03-12 29

       RE: After Day 6 aethelstan 08-03-12 30

After Day 7 aethelstan 08-03-12 31

   RE: After Day 7 cahaya 08-04-12 32

Day 8 Snidget 08-05-12 33

Tie Breaker Two Snidget 08-05-12 34

Day 9 Snidget 08-06-12 35

After Day 10 aethelstan 08-06-12 36

   RE: After Day 10 cahaya 08-07-12 38

   RE: After Day 10 Snidget 08-07-12 39

       RE: After Day 10 Starshine 08-07-12 40

       RE: After Day 10 aethelstan 08-07-12 41

           RE: After Day 10 Snidget 08-07-12 43

               RE: After Day 10 aethelstan 08-08-12 45

After Day 11 aethelstan 08-07-12 42

   RE: After Day 11 cahaya 08-08-12 44

Standings after Day 12 aethelstan 08-08-12 46

   RE: Standings after Day 12 cahaya 08-08-12 47

After Day 13 aethelstan 08-10-12 48

After Day 14 aethelstan 08-10-12 49

   RE: After Day 14 cahaya 08-10-12 50

       RE: After Day 14 Starshine 08-11-12 51

Final Results aethelstan 08-13-12 52

   RE: Final Results: Correction! aethelstan 08-13-12 53

       RE: Final Results: Correction! Starshine 08-13-12 58

           RE: Final Results: Correction! aethelstan 08-13-12 59

               RE: Final Results: Correction! cahaya 08-13-12 60

           RE: Final Results: Correction! Puffy 08-14-12 63

               RE: Final Results: Correction! cahaya 08-14-12 64

   RE: Final Results cahaya 08-13-12 54

       RE: Final Results Snidget 08-13-12 61

Other ways of scoring aethelstan 08-13-12 55

   RE: Other ways of scoring cahaya 08-13-12 56

       My goodness AyaK 08-29-12 65

Best outcome aethelstan 08-13-12 57

RE: London Olympic Pool cahaya 08-14-12 62

RE: London Olympic Pool aethelstan 09-12-12 66

   RE: London Olympic Pool byoffer 09-12-12 67

       RE: London Olympic Pool aethelstan 09-13-12 69

           RE: London Olympic Pool Starshine 09-13-12 70

               RE: London Olympic Pool byoffer 09-13-12 71

                   RE: London Olympic Pool Starshine 09-13-12 72

               RE: London Olympic Pool aethelstan 09-13-12 73

   RE: London Olympic Pool Snidget 09-12-12 68

   It's fitting Rebel Crown 09-14-12 74

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Starshine 4934 desperate attention whore postings
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07-14-12, 02:42 AM (EST)

1. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

Group A (pick 1 of 3): Australia
Group B (pick 3 of 5): Italy, Japan, South Korea
Group C (pick 3 of 7): Belarus, Canada, Netherlands
Group D (pick 3 of 11): Kazakhstan, Kenya, Poland
Group E (pick 5 of ..): India, Indonesia, New Zealand, Switzerland, Azerbaijan
First tiebreaker: How many more medals will Great Britain win over last Olympics (they got 47 in Beijing) Let me see, sailing and rowing looking good, cycling very promising, swimming ish, athletics quite silvery, lost all our decent Badminton players, wouldn't bet against Murray in the tennis, Tpm Daley only has to turn up to win the gold, might actually get a couple of gymnastics medals, few bronzes in boxing, possibilities in Hockey the womens team looks particularly good, some good chances in the marital arts. So I am saying 60 medals in total, that is 13 medals more.
Second tiebreaker: what will Usain Bolt's time in the 100m be? (He ran 9.69 in Beijing) I don't think he is going to be running backwards when he crosses the line this time, 9.52 seconds.

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07-14-12, 10:30 AM (EST)

2. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

Group A (pick 1 of 3): Australia
Group B (pick 3 of 5): Italy, South Korea, Ukraine
Group C (pick 3 of 7): Belarus, Netherlands, Spain
Group D (pick 3 of 11): Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Jamaica,
Group E (pick 5 of ..): New Zealand, India, Slovakia, Georgia,
Estonia
Entries to be submitted by midnight July 27th EST (that should be about 5 am on the 28th for Starshine)
First tiebreaker: How many more medals will Great Britain win over last Olympics (they got 47 in Beijing) 4 more medals
Second tiebreaker: what will Usain Bolt's time in the 100m be? (He ran 9.69 in Beijing) 9.57

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07-14-12, 09:56 PM (EST)

3. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

LAST EDITED ON 07-14-12 AT 10:14 PM (EST)
Oh, what fun! Love these games.
I'm actually excited about the Olympics. Been counting down the days. Hope everything goes smoothly for them with no incidents.
Group A (pick 1 of 3): Australia
Group B (pick 3 of 5): Italy, Japan, Ukraine
Group C (pick 3 of 7): Brazil, Canada, Romania,
Group D (pick 3 of 11): Czech Republic, Jamaica, Poland,
Group E (pick 5 of ..): Belgium, New Zealand, South Africa, India, Indonesia
First tiebreaker: How many more medals will Great Britain win over last Olympics? Total of 53, so 6 more.
Second tiebreaker: what will Usain Bolt's time in the 100m be? 9.76

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aethelstan 4348 desperate attention whore postings
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07-17-12, 11:38 AM (EST)

4. "My picks"

Well, first draft anyway.
A - Germany
B - Korea, Italy, Japan
C - Netherlands, Belarus and Brazil
D - Poland, Kenya and Jamaica
E - Sweden New Zealand, Switzerland, Azerbaijan, Argentina
I think Great Britain will get 18 more medals than in Beijing (65 total)
Bolt will run a 9.65 in the 100m final.

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07-18-12, 06:50 PM (EST)

5. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

LAST EDITED ON 07-20-12 AT 11:37 AM (EST)
Group A (pick 1 of 3): Germany
Group B (pick 3 of 5): Italy, South Korea, Japan
Group C (pick 3 of 7): Brazil, Canada, Netherlands
Group D (pick 3 of 11): Jamaica, Kazakhstan, Kenya
Group E (pick 5 of ...): Azerbaijan, Iran, New Zealand, Slovakia, Switzerland
First tiebreaker: How many more medals will Great Britain win over last Olympics (they got 47 in Beijing): +13 (thus, 60)
Second tiebreaker: what will Usain Bolt's time in the 100m be? (He ran 9.69 in Beijing) 9.76
Edited to rethink.

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aethelstan 4348 desperate attention whore postings
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07-27-12, 10:44 AM (EST)

11. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

I think I know what you may have consulted for this 'rethink'
If anyone else makes changes, can you reply to your previous post so that I can see that a change has been made. Thanks!

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07-20-12, 00:18 AM (EST)

6. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

LAST EDITED ON 07-20-12 AT 00:21 AM (EST)
Group A (pick 1 of 3): GER
Group B (pick 3 of 5): CUB, JPN, UKR
Group C (pick 3 of 7): BLR, NED, ROU
Group D (pick 3 of 11): CZE, JAM, ETH
Group E (pick 5 of ..): NZL, SVK, GEO, MGL, SUI
Quick clarification -- will team event wins count as one medal for the nation or will it be the number of team members? (a four-man relay counts 4 for example).
First tiebreaker: GBR will have a net +15 medals.
Second tiebreaker: Bolt will bolt down the track at 9.59 seconds.

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maybe someone can come up with some Olympic siggies???

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aethelstan 4348 desperate attention whore postings
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07-22-12, 10:47 PM (EST)

7. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

Scoring is as in the medal standings. If the US win gold in basketball, it counts as 1 gold medal just as if Phelps were to win the 200m butterfly.

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07-23-12, 10:20 AM (EST)

8. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

Group A (pick 1 of 3): I will cheer for Australia, but choose Germany
Group B (pick 3 of 5): Japan, South Korea, Ukraine
Group C (pick 3 of 7): Belarus, Brazil, Canada
Group D (pick 3 of 11): Jamaica, Ethiopia, Kenya
Group E (pick 5 of ..): New Zealand, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Indonesia, Switzerland
First tiebreaker: How many more medals will Great Britain win over last Olympics (they got 47 in Beijing)56
Second tiebreaker: what will Usain Bolt's time in the 100m be? (He ran 9.69 in Beijing)9.78 (it will be cooler in London, and slower)

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07-26-12, 12:50 PM (EST)

9. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

LAST EDITED ON 07-26-12 AT 06:02 PM (EST)
Group A (pick 1 of 3): Germany
Group B (pick 3 of 5): Italy, Japan, South Korea
Group C (pick 3 of 7): Belarus, Canada, Netherlands
Group D (pick 3 of 11): Jamaica, Kazakhstan, Kenya
Group E (pick 5 of ..): Azerbaijan, New Zealand, Iran, Sweden, Uzbekistan
First tiebreaker: How many more medals will Great Britain win over last Olympics (they got 47 in Beijing): +19 (for 66)
Second tiebreaker: what will Usain Bolt's time in the 100m be? (He ran 9.69 in Beijing): 9.75
Fantasy Olympics, with free draft picks!

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07-27-12, 08:37 AM (EST)

10. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

Group A (pick 1 of 3): Australia
Group B (pick 3 of 5): Italy, Japan, South Korea,
Group C (pick 3 of 7): Belarus, Canada, Spain
Group D (pick 3 of 11): Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Jamaica
Group E (pick 5 of ..): Sweden, New Zealand, Slovakia, Switzerland, Argentina.
First Tiebreak: 8 more medals than last time.
Second Tiebreak: 9:68.

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07-27-12, 11:47 AM (EST)

12. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

Group A (pick 1 of 3): Australia, France, Germany
Group B (pick 3 of 5): Cuba, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Ukraine
Group C (pick 3 of 7): Belarus, Brazil, Canada, Hungary, Netherlands, Romania, Spain
Group D (pick 3 of 11): Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Ethiopia, Greece, Jamaica, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Norway, Poland, Turkey
Group E (pick 5 of ..): New Zealand, Slovakia, Switzerland, Indonesia, Argentina
First tiebreaker: How many more medals will Great Britain win over last Olympics- 6 more medals, 53 total
Second tiebreaker: what will Usain Bolt's time in the 100m be? 9.69

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07-28-12, 01:34 PM (EST)

13. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

Made my own tracking sheet just to verify that I've already doing very poorly.
*sigh*
And checked out our consensus picks.
Consensus
Group 1: Germany
Group 2: Italy Japan South Korea
Group 3: Belerus Canada Netherlands
Group 4: Czech Republic Jamaica Kenya
Group 5: Azerbaijan Indonesia New Zealand Slovakia Switzerland
New Zealand was chosen by everyone
And looked at the No Love group
Group 1: France
Group 2: Cuba Ukraine
Italy and South Korea tied
Group 3: Hungary Romania Spain
Group 4: Greece
Denmark Norway and Turkey tied
Group 5: Belgium Estonia Mongolia South Africa Uzbekistan
France Hungary Greece were chosen by nobody
So far it seems the No Loves are out scoring the consensus, but it is early.
Why do I do this to myself?

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07-28-12, 01:58 PM (EST)

14. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

LAST EDITED ON 07-28-12 AT 02:09 PM (EST)
Wow, I don't know who else is so close to the consensus picks, but my picks are the same through Group 3 and only different in Group 4 (Kazakhstan instead of the Czechs) and the Group 5 free picks (Iran, Sweden and no-love Uzbekistan instead of Indonesia, Slovakia and the Swiss).
Go Uzbeks!

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aethelstan 4348 desperate attention whore postings
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07-29-12, 01:05 AM (EST)

17. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

Yep. I'll try to put out a few stats. I usually like to track the consensus, the 'best from Beijing' (ie. if you had used the last olympics as your guide) and 'what would SI have picked'
Here are the standings if everything goes according to SI's plan (I should point out that it already hasn't)
1 Ayak 87 88 116 291
2 cahaya 83 87 111 281
3 Aethelstan 83 86 109 278
4 byoffer 76 86 105 267
5 Puffy 81 90 91 262
6 Starshine 75 85 97 257
7 Max Headroom 69 76 103 248
8 Rebel Crown 68 80 92 240
9 bullzeye 74 81 81 236
10 Molaholic 58 69 88 215
11 Snidget 63 66 78 207

sorry Snidge but, as I said, SI's already wrong.

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07-29-12, 06:45 AM (EST)

18. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

I have taken SI's predictions based on the past into consideration before. It always fails. So this time I went more with gut/who I just kinda like.
Probably won't do any better, but at least I'm rooting for countries I wanna be rooting for.

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07-30-12, 11:19 PM (EST)

21. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

LAST EDITED ON 07-30-12 AT 11:21 PM (EST)
I did not use SI's picks in the rethink. But I did have a discussion/debate with a friend (who is a statistics professor) about how to estimate medal counts.
So far, I don't really know if the modified calculation was any better than the original calculation (which just looked at medals won 4 years ago).

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08-07-12, 00:17 AM (EST)

37. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

I question whether medals won 4 years ago is a valid guide, although statistically there may be some basis in it.
Consider that the medal winners will be (and so far, are) quite different from those who won medals in 2008.
I think it's more like fantasy football, you have to look at each sport (each position) and each competitor at what level they are currently at. Some competitors four years ago are already out of the sport, although there are a few (like Phelps) who are capable of returning to multiple Olympics four or eight or twelve years apart and still compete.
I started with some of the popular sports sites and then drilled it down to who the "hot" competitors are in some of the key sports, based on their performances over the last year and in their Olympics trials, and then combined country totals. A lot of these sports, I've known little about since the last Olympics, so (like FF), it called for a bit of research and, by admission, a bit of guesswork.

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07-28-12, 03:22 PM (EST)

15. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

I missed your deadline; didn't see the thread until now. If I'm too late, let me know.
A: Australia
B. Italy, Japan, South Korea
C. Brazil, Canada, Spain
D. Ethiopia, Jamaica, Kenya
E. New Zealand, Switzerland, India, South Africa, Sweden
1st tiebreaker: 3 more medals
2nd tiebreaker: 9.71 seconds

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aethelstan 4348 desperate attention whore postings
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07-29-12, 00:57 AM (EST)

16. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

LAST EDITED ON 07-29-12 AT 01:01 AM (EST)
It's all for fun so come on in.
I'll try to do daily updates but I'm going canoe camping this week.
Here's day 1:
1 Ayak 5 7 4 16
1 Aethelstan 4 8 4 16
1 Max Headroom 4 7 5 16
4 Starshine 5 7 3 15
4 Puffy 5 6 4 15
4 Rebel Crown 4 7 4 15
6 cahaya 4 6 4 14
7 bullzeye 4 5 3 12
8 Snidget 4 4 2 10
9 byoffer 2 4 3 9
10 Molaholic 2 4 1 7

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07-29-12, 06:52 AM (EST)

19. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

LAST EDITED ON 07-29-12 AT 06:56 AM (EST)
I'm not keeping separate G/S/B data, but I've got everyone in my chart for personal use, so if you miss a day I could fill in. Off to check our total number line up so far.
ETA: They match, woo!
By my count the best you could be doing (and I'm only looking at the last group from countries any of us picked, not all possible countries, but I may do that for the final count) is
Perfect Pick 22
Consensus is 12
and the No Loves (when there is a tie I pick who is doing better) is 10

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07-30-12, 07:07 AM (EST)

20. "Day Two"

When does the Olympics start for Germany? Still waiting for them to get on the board.
27 -- Ayak
27 -- Starshine
25 -- Max
25 -- Puffy
24 -- Aethelstan
24 -- Cahaya
24 -- Rebel Crown
22 -- Bullzeye
20 -- Snidget
17 -- Byoffer
12 -- Molaholic

22 -- Consensus
38 -- Best
21 -- No Love
The teams no one, or almost no one picked are doing as well as the teams we all picked, for now.
If you had made perfect picks so far the max total points available with these countries is 38

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07-31-12, 06:31 AM (EST)

22. "Day 3"

38 -- Rebel Crown
38 -- Starshine
36 -- Ayak
35 -- Max
35 -- Puffy
33 -- Aethelstan
33 -- Cahaya
31 -- Bullzeye
28 -- Byoffer
27 -- Snidget
24 -- Molaholic

32 -- Consensus
49 -- Best
30 -- No Love

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08-01-12, 05:58 PM (EST)

23. "Day 4"

And my Fail gets more and more Failly
51 -- Ayak
51 -- Max
50 -- Starshine
49 -- Rebel Crown
48 -- Cahaya
46 -- Puffy
44 -- Aethelstan
43 -- Bullzeye
42 -- Byoffer
35 -- Molaholic
32 -- Snidget

47 -- Consensus
63 -- Best
37 -- No Love

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08-02-12, 09:49 AM (EST)

24. "RE: Day 4"

Thanks for keeping the tally, Snidget!
At this rate, I'd be happy to score another silver medal in this Olympic pool.

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08-02-12, 10:24 AM (EST)

25. "RE: Day 4"

Don't despair, Snidget, there is still a long way to go, and Germany seems to be waking up.

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08-02-12, 05:32 PM (EST)

26. "Day 5"

Maybe if I'm lucky I can catch up to the No Love.
72 -- Max
71 -- Ayak
69 -- Cahaya
67 -- Starshine
66 -- Rebel Crown
64 -- Byoffer
63 -- Aethelstan
63 -- Puffy
61 -- Bullzeye
56 -- Molaholic
47 -- Snidget

69 -- Consensus
81 -- Best
54 -- No Love

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08-02-12, 10:28 PM (EST)

27. "After Day 6"

Best 30 34 41 105
1 Max Headroom 21 28 41 90
2 Ayak 25 25 38 88
3 cahaya 24 27 35 86
4 Starshine 21 26 34 81
5 Aethelstan 22 27 31 80
6 Puffy 19 26 32 77
7 byoffer 19 21 36 76
7 Rebel Crown 15 27 34 76
9 bullzeye 15 27 33 75
10 Snidget 18 18 25 61
10 Molaholic 15 22 24 61

Best from Beijing 19 22 33 74
Sports Illustrated 22 28 36 86
Most Popular 21 27 38 86

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08-02-12, 11:09 PM (EST)

28. "RE: After Day 6"

Same medal count as the Most Popular, going bronze now, still hoping for the gold, still glad to land a silver!

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08-03-12, 09:06 AM (EST)

29. "RE: After Day 6"

Either you or I have Moley wrong, because I have him beating me by like 10 points by now.
Although it would be nice to have some company at dead last.

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08-03-12, 11:18 PM (EST)

30. "RE: After Day 6"

I had Moley incorrect giving him Italy instead of Japan. This is why I always love it when there is a second person checking up on me. Any discrepancy gets double checked and we all get it right in the end. Thanks!

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08-03-12, 11:21 PM (EST)

31. "After Day 7"

I'll be away for the next couple of days. I should be able to give more regular updates after that.
Best 37 39 43 119
1 Ayak 30 29 46 105
2 Max Headroom 26 31 47 104
3 cahaya 30 31 42 103
4 Starshine 28 32 41 101
5 Aethelstan 29 31 40 100
6 Puffy 24 34 38 96
7 Rebel Crown 19 36 40 95
8 byoffer 25 25 43 93
9 bullzeye 20 33 37 90
10 Molaholic 20 28 36 84
11 Snidget 23 23 29 75

Best from Beijing 22 28 39 89
Sports Illustrated 26 32 45 103
Most Popular 26 32 44 102

Go Canada Go!!!

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08-04-12, 11:35 AM (EST)

32. "RE: After Day 7"

Seven days in, and it's still a wide open comp! Only twelve medals separate the top from eighth place, and only five medals separate the top five, including former gold medalist Aethelstan!
Go Uzbeks!

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08-05-12, 06:21 AM (EST)

33. "Day 8"

124 -- Ayak
123 -- Starshine
121 -- Cahaya
120 -- Max
117 -- Puffy
115 -- Aethelstan
114 -- Bullzeye
114 -- Rebel Crown
108 -- Byoffer
100 -- Molaholic
97 -- Snidget

122 -- Consensus
136 -- Best
83 -- No Love

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34. "Tie Breaker Two"

9.52--Starshine
9.57--Snidget
9.59--Molaholic
9.63--Bolt--London
9.65--Aethelstan
9.68--Bullzeye
9.69--Max Headroom, Bolt--Beijing
9.71--Puffy
9.75--Cahaya
9.76--Rebel Crown, Ayak
9.78--Byoffer

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35. "Day 9"

146 -- Ayak
140 -- Cahaya
138 -- Starshine
135 -- Aethelstan
134 -- Max
133 -- Puffy
128 -- Bullzeye
127 -- Byoffer
124 -- Rebel Crown
112 -- Molaholic
106 -- Snidget

140 -- Consensus
153 -- Best
97 -- No Love

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36. "After Day 10"

I had 9.63 in my friends and family league!
Here's the current standings:
Best 56 52 62 170
1 cahaya 47 50 58 155
2 Ayak 46 48 60 154
3 Starshine 42 51 60 153
4 Aethelstan 43 49 58 150
5 Puffy 38 51 57 146
6 Max Headroom 37 49 59 145
7 bullzeye 34 52 54 140
8 byoffer 37 41 59 137
8 Rebel Crown 30 48 59 137
10 Molaholic 31 43 49 123
11 Snidget 36 39 43 118

Best from Beijing 35 44 56 135
Sports Illustrated 43 54 60 157
Most Popular 40 52 58 150

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38. "RE: After Day 10"

Up by a gold, yeah! Winner for a day, if just a day...
Even by 4 golds over SI, although they have more silvers and bronzes.

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39. "RE: After Day 10"

Are you missing either my Spain or my India, I have me at 3 higher than you have me.
And I have Ayak at 5 higher (could be Kenya?). Sorry Cahaya.
Now I could have something screwed up as well.

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40. "RE: After Day 10"

I have
cahaya 156
Starshine 156
AyaK 155
aethelstan 152
Max Headroom 145
bullzeye 141
Rebel Crown 139
byoffer 138
Molaholic 124
Snidget 120
But that is halfway through today.

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41. "RE: After Day 10"

I just double checked and you and Ayak seem correct to me. Ayak's big change was dropping UKR and taking whichever of KOR, JPN, ITA that he didn't have. I figured he had looked at the Sports Myriad site.

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43. "RE: After Day 10"

LAST EDITED ON 08-07-12 AT 05:31 PM (EST)
Well maybe it is when I do the numbers (but I think I get them during the time when there are no new medals coming in at the end of the day.
I have Ayak with Kor, JPN, ITA, never had his earlier picks in.
I'll double check I'm not adding something additional into him or me or see how we match today.
Found my mistake, along the way I must duplicated something in two of the formulas, the visual cue looks right, but I think when I did a move it may have added it in rather than just moved it up or down.
Damn, I coulda used the three extra points.
GO ESTONIA.
Now if Bulgaria can just get off their collective butts. *sigh*

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45. "RE: After Day 10"

And Bulgaria has been in the teens for medals in 4 of the past 5 Olympics.

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42. "After Day 11"

Here's the current standings as I have them. I'm getting killed by picking ARG over Iran. I should have changed after checking the various predictor sites. And, of course, not picking Canada. But, hey, I'd be happy to be DFL if it meant Canada got on the podium a lot more.
Rank Name Gold Silver Bronze Total
Best 61 56 71 188
1 cahaya 53 57 63 173
2 Ayak 52 55 64 171
3 Starshine 47 52 67 166
4 Aethelstan 47 54 64 165
5 Max Headroom 41 54 63 158
6 Puffy 42 54 61 157
7 bullzeye 38 55 58 151
8 byoffer 39 46 62 147
9 Rebel Crown 32 50 64 146
10 Molaholic 34 49 53 136
11 Snidget 42 41 49 132

Best from Beijing 38 47 60 145
Sports Illustrated 49 61 65 175
Most Popular 44 57 62 163

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44. "RE: After Day 11"

LAST EDITED ON 08-08-12 AT 02:09 AM (EST)
I just tallied my total from here (Yahoo) and it is correct at 173. So far, the picks have been quite good apart from the Uzbeks!

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46. "Standings after Day 12"

LAST EDITED ON 08-08-12 AT 05:50 PM (EST)
A good day for Canada with 3 more medals. Unfortunately, Martine Dugrenier loses her bronze medal wrestling match for the second Olympics in a row.
There is an interesting story developing in the decathlon as a Canadian is 3rd after the first day. Damian Warner has posted 3 PBs (I think) so far. He seems to be better in speed events than strength events (his worst showing today was the shot put) so he may not do so well tomorrow with javelin and discus.
Also a big day for Germany who takes over the lead in Group A. Bet you France had a lot of you second guessing for a while
Right now the 'best' would consist of these countries:
A: Germany
B: Italy, Korea, Japan
C: Canada, Hungary, Netherlands
D: Denmark, Kazakhstan, Poland
E: New Zealand, Iran, Sweden, North Korea and Mexico. (though Columbia also has 5 medals though fewer silver than Mexico)
Go Canada Go!
Here are the standings:
Rank Name Gold Silver Bronze Total
Best 64 67 74 205
1 cahaya 56 65 71 192
1 Ayak 56 63 73 192
3 Aethelstan 51 61 71 183
4 Starshine 51 58 72 181
5 Max Headroom 46 60 71 177
6 Puffy 47 61 67 175
7 bullzeye 43 62 63 168
8 byoffer 43 53 71 167
9 Rebel Crown 35 53 71 159
10 Molaholic 38 53 60 151
11 Snidget 44 48 53 145

Best from Beijing 42 53 65 160
Sports Illustrated 53 69 74 196
Most Popular 48 65 70 183
Edited to fix 'best' list. I had written Norway when my formula appropriately had Poland.

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47. "RE: Standings after Day 12"

I've watched and followed the Olympics since childhood and, almost fifty years later, I am still fascinated by it, given its historical tradition. The medal counts are kept by those who keep count, yet I appreciate the immense effort by every single athlete in competition, regardless of nation or gender.

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48. "After Day 13"

This is a bit approximate as I did the tally this morning and a few medals had already been awarded, which I removed but it may not be 100% correct. I'll have a better list tonight.
Rank Name Gold Silver Bronze Total
Best 71 76 78 225
1 cahaya 62 72 79 213
1 Ayak 62 70 81 213
3 Aethelstan 57 67 78 202
4 Starshine 54 63 80 197
5 Puffy 51 67 75 193
6 Max Headroom 51 65 75 191
7 bullzeye 47 69 70 186
8 byoffer 49 60 76 185
9 Rebel Crown 39 59 79 177
10 Molaholic 44 59 64 167
11 Snidget 47 55 59 161

Best from Beijing 46 60 74 180
Sports Illustrated 59 76 81 216
Most Popular 55 71 78 204

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49. "After Day 14"

It's coming down to the wire:
Rank Name Gold Silver Bronze Total
Best 71 81 98 250
1 cahaya 65 78 95 238
2 Ayak 65 76 96 237
3 Aethelstan 61 74 92 227
4 Starshine 58 67 91 216
5 Max Headroom 56 71 88 215
6 Puffy 55 72 84 211
7 byoffer 52 66 90 208
8 bullzeye 51 74 79 204
9 Rebel Crown 41 63 88 192
10 Molaholic 47 64 78 189
11 Snidget 51 60 69 180

Best from Beijing 48 66 87 201
Sports Illustrated 62 82 95 239
Most Popular 58 76 91 225

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50. "RE: After Day 14"

Checking the tie-breakers one more time...
Go, Brits!

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51. "RE: After Day 14"

A few medals to come thank you!

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52. "Final Results"

Here are the final results
cahaya is first due to more silver medals but it turns out that he was closer for both tiebreakers.
Speaking of tiebreakers. I correctly said 18 more medals and had 9.65 for Bolt which was the closest guess of all the entries.
Rank Name Gold Silver Bronze Total
Best 80 91 109 280
1 cahaya 75 89 108 272
2 Ayak 75 88 109 272
3 Aethelstan 70 88 102 260
4 Starshine 65 80 104 249
5 Puffy 62 89 97 248
6 byoffer 63 81 100 244
7 Max Headroom 63 81 94 238
8 bullzeye 59 86 89 234
9 Rebel Crown 52 77 98 227
10 Molaholic 59 76 85 220
11 Snidget 60 77 80 217

Best from Beijing 60 82 103 245
Sports Illustrated 71 94 107 272
Most Popular 68 86 101 255

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53. "RE: Final Results: Correction!"

Hold the phones! Belarus just got stripped of a gold medal in women's shot put! And, well, it happens that cahaya had selected Belarus, so the revised final standings are...
Rank Name Gold Silver Bronze Total
Best 81 90 109 280
1 Ayak 76 87 109 272
2 cahaya 75 88 108 271
3 Aethelstan 70 87 102 259
4 Starshine 65 79 104 248
4 Puffy 63 88 97 248
6 byoffer 63 80 100 243
7 Max Headroom 64 80 94 238
8 bullzeye 59 85 89 233
9 Rebel Crown 53 76 98 227
10 Molaholic 59 75 85 219
11 Snidget 60 76 80 216

Congratulations Ayak!!

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58. "RE: Final Results: Correction!"

Bravo Puffy!
Alas no-one will remember those of us who finished 4th.

And many cheers for AyaK
Congratulations to Cahaya
and lvoe and respect to Aethelstan
in 1996 we were 36th in the medals table, with one gold (Sir Steve Redgrave), 8 silvers and 6 bronzes. This time we had 5 athletes that won 2 gold medals, you can't appreciate the highs without seeing the lows.

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59. "RE: Final Results: Correction!"

Considering the number of sports that issue 4 medals and considering how much more difficult it is to get 4th in this era compared to 3rd even 50 years ago, I've been advocating that they should start issuing 4 medals in all disciplines.
At least you win gold when you host. We hosted two Olympics (Winter and Summer) without winning gold - the only host country not to do so. Fortunately, we broke that particular hex in Vancouver.

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60. "RE: Final Results: Correction!"

Starshine, you should be (and I am sure you are) proud of the hosting by your country of this Olympics. I have followed these Olympiads since childhood, and I too am proud of the host.
Well done, medals too, well done!

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63. "RE: Final Results: Correction!"

At the next pool for the next Olympics, I'll remember that we came in fourth, Starshine. But you get extra points for being our Great Britain representative here at RTVW.

I waddle for Agman

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64. "RE: Final Results: Correction!"

Hey, grats to you and our Olympiad host Starshine, for your fourth place entries. Maybe nobody else will remember, but I will, having watched the Olympics and guessing medal totals since childhood.
Well done, both of you!

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54. "RE: Final Results"

LAST EDITED ON 08-13-12 AT 01:13 PM (EST)
Woot, woot, saved by the British medalists on the tie-breaker, guessing just one over! That was close!
Thanks for hosting, Aethelstan, and grats on your bronze, and grats to AyaK for his silver, tying the gold score and decided only by the tie-breaker! Great comp.
(eta) Gah! A Belarus gold-medalist doping suspension! That puts me at silver, then, and AyaK wins the gold! Grats, Ayak, still great comp!
Reading the news, the female Belarus shot-putter in question is going to appeal it, but it's open to question whether the IOC will change their mind, I doubt it.
"To be honest I don't know all the details because I just got this information myself from the internet," the 31-year-old told local media in Minsk.
"It's a complete shock to me because I was tested on July 30 (before going to London). It showed I was clean," she said, adding that she would wait for the Belarussian delegation to return from London before deciding what to do next.
"In total, I've been tested 16 times since April. You must be a complete idiot to take doping just before the competition especially such an outdated drug as a steroid, knowing you're going to be tested not once but probably several times."
Ostapchuk also accused Olympic organisers of prejudice against the Belarussian athletes.

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61. "RE: Final Results"

Poor girl, after half the internet calling for gender testing..

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55. "Other ways of scoring"

It's often suggested that I use a weighted system for scoring, so here would be the results with different scoring systems.
If I gave 5 points for gold, 3 for silver and 1 for bronze:
1 Ayak 380 261 109 750
2 cahaya 375 264 108 747
3 Aethelstan 350 261 102 713
4 Puffy 315 264 97 676
5 Starshine 325 237 104 666
6 byoffer 315 240 100 655
7 Max Headroom 320 240 94 654
8 bullzeye 295 255 89 639
9 Snidget 300 228 80 608
10 Molaholic 295 225 85 605
11 Rebel Crown 265 228 98 591

If it were weighted 3-2-1
1 Ayak 228 174 109 511
2 cahaya 225 176 108 509
3 Aethelstan 210 174 102 486
4 Puffy 189 176 97 462
5 Starshine 195 158 104 457
6 byoffer 189 160 100 449
7 Max Headroom 192 160 94 446
8 bullzeye 177 170 89 436
9 Snidget 180 152 80 412
9 Molaholic 177 150 85 412
11 Rebel Crown 159 152 98 409

If it were by gold medals primarily (like many medal standings listed in the paper are marked)
1 Ayak 76 87 109 272
2 cahaya 75 88 108 271
3 Aethelstan 70 87 102 259
4 Starshine 65 79 104 248
5 Max Headroom 64 80 94 238
6 Puffy 63 88 97 248
7 byoffer 63 80 100 243
8 Snidget 60 76 80 216
9 bullzeye 59 85 89 233
10 Molaholic 59 75 85 219
11 Rebel Crown 53 76 98 227

As you can see, it doesn't really change much. Ayak wins no matter how you look at it. Congrats Ayak!

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56. "RE: Other ways of scoring"

AyaK and I were so close, that the Belarus gold-medal shotput suspension tipped all scales! Yikes.

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65. "My goodness"

LAST EDITED ON 08-29-12 AT 11:38 PM (EST)
I forgot about this pool. Wow, what a narrow result.
Thanks to everyone who was in it. I hope you all had fun with it.
And I'll take the gold medal, but you all were winners just for playing.

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57. "Best outcome"

The best result would have given 280 points. I'll list the countries that give that result along with the number of people who selected them.
A. Germany (6)
B. Japan (9), Italy (8), Korea (8)
C. Netherlands (7), Canada (7), Hungary (0)
D. Kazakhstan (3), Jamaica (8), Kenya (5)
E. New Zealand (10), Iran (2), Azerbaijan (5), Colombia (0), Sweden (3).

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62. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

Of course, we never know, even up to 8 years later...
The IOC had said this would be its most extensive Olympic anti-doping program. It took almost 6,000 urine and blood samples, including no-notice tests ahead of athletes competing.
Rogge cautioned that some samples are still being analyzed and "we might hear something tomorrow or the day after. Hopefully not, but you never know."
I wonder how the money pools deal with this, the retroactive medal suspensions, hours, days, if not years, later.

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66. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

Just for fun, I put in the medals won by the various countries during the Paralympic Games to see how we would do.
The biggest difference is that the Ukraine is a powerhouse in the Paralympic Games getting 84 medals, good for 6th best where the 7th best country was Germany with 66. Japan got a measly 16 medals.
Given the same rules as the regular pool, the best outcome would have been
A: Australia
B: Ukraine, Italy, Korea
C: Brazil, Spain, the Netherlands
D: Poland, Greece, Czech Republic
E: South Africa, Iran, Mexico, Tunisia and Algeria.
I should note that group E countries Austria, Egypt, New Zealand, Nigeria, Switzerland, Ireland all did better than group D countries: Greece and the Czech Republic
Rank Name Gold Silver Bronze Total
Best 174 162 183 519
1 Rebel Crown 140 130 122 392
2 Snidget 115 111 128 354
3 Puffy 115 125 112 352
4 Aethelstan 111 112 108 331
5 Ayak 107 115 107 329
6 byoffer 113 116 99 328
7 Starshine 106 106 110 322
8 Max Headroom 95 109 111 315
9 bullzeye 92 107 108 307
10 cahaya 90 101 99 290
11 Molaholic 93 94 96 283

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67. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

Wow. Rebel Crown went from last in the Olympic pool to first in the Paralympic pool.
Is there a commentary in here on how some of the countries support people with disabilities?

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69. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

The cynic in me says that one of the reasons why Russia, China, etc, have so many athletes with disabilities winning medals is that they push their regular Olympians so much that some have significant accidents and so become eligible for the Paralympics. Since they are already in the system, they just keep them there but shift the focus from Olympics to Paralympics.

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70. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

If that is the case (and I'm not nearly as cynical as you in this regard) at least they aren't discarding them to the fringes of society.
Actually as a stat Russia doubled their number of gold medals, and I would assume that this didn't happen in the wake of a big coach accident
Semi-relevant article
I would have thought that Australia was the country that pushes its athletes hardest and their results were (for them) disappointing this time round

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71. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

Discarding them to the fringes of society
This is actually the thought I had for the countries who dropped way down in the medal table from the Olympics to the Paralympics. Is a country like, say, Japan, who dropped from #6 in the table to #24, guilty of discarding? (or not having programs in place for their disabled citizens?)

I'm curious about your comment about Australia pushing its athletes the hardest. Where does that come from? I would have expected China to be top of this list. I wonder how many of their Paralympians were formerly athletes training towards the Olympics.

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72. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

Can't find info on the Chinese Athletes, and TBH I think it is probably only really Swimming where the skills are the same.
Regarding Australia, I'm not meaning the state so much as the people, I can't find the quote but Bill Bryson gives a long spiel on just how sporting Australia are. They are top competitors in Rugby (both codes), Cricket, they were 13th in the per capita Olympic medals table first with a population over 10 million. 7 NFL and 6 MLB players (and American Football and Baseball aren't played in Australia), and the national sport is Aussie Rules Football, which no other country ~~is insane enough~~ plays.

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73. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

One of the things that made me think of it is the story of Canadian multi-medalist Summer Ashley Mortimer. At 15 or so, she was pegged as a hopeful for London 2012, in the Olympics, but an accident on a trampoline left her with a crushed foot, making her eligible for the S10 category. And, she did in fact make it to London 2012 but on the Paralympic side.
It seems to me that in the sports cultures where children are identified at 4-5 to be Olympic caliber (East Germany did this, I'm sure other Warsaw pact countries do this as does China), then, even if accidents happen to a small percentage of the athletes, they just shift them, if possible, to Paralympics. The cynical part of me thinks that the % of accidents like this is higher in countries where elite athletes are pushed at such a young age.
While it is true that these athletes aren't pushed to the margins of society while they are elite level athletes, one does have to wonder what happens after their best performing years are over. That said, I noticed that there were a number of older athletes performing at very high levels in the Paralympic Games (distance wheelchair runner Diane Roy is 41, she had four top 8 finishes and she wasn't nearly the only track & field I saw as in the 40s.)

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68. "RE: London Olympic Pool"

Did much better with this.

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74. "It's fitting"

...that I win something that didn't exist, lol.
It's much better to see this than the several lists made and on all of them, I was last .

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