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"2012 NHL Playoff Discussion thread - round 1"
Shall we try to be organized with our discussions?
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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 Rangers vs Senators byoffer 04-12-12 1
   Game 1: 4-2 for the Rangers byoffer 04-12-12 24
   Game 2: Senators win. Series 1-1 byoffer 04-15-12 46
   Rangers' Hagelin suspended 3 games ... HobbsofMI 04-16-12 52
       RE: Rangers' Hagelin suspended 3 ga... aethelstan 04-16-12 58
           RE: Rangers' Hagelin suspended 3 ga... HobbsofMI 04-16-12 59
   RE: Rangers vs Senators - Game 3 aethelstan 04-17-12 61
   Game 4... PepeLePew13 04-18-12 74
   Game 5: The Ottawa Andersons win a... byoffer 04-21-12 81
   Game 7: Rangers hold on to win a c... byoffer 04-24-12 93
   Game 7 aethelstan 04-27-12 103
 Bruins vs Capitals byoffer 04-12-12 2
   Game 1: scoreless after 3 periods byoffer 04-12-12 25
       RE: Game 1: scoreless after 3 peri... PepeLePew13 04-12-12 27
   Game 2 - Caps win byoffer 04-15-12 47
   Caps win game 5... PepeLePew13 04-21-12 80
       RE: Caps win game 5... byoffer 04-21-12 82
   Game 6: Bruins win in OT to send it... HobbsofMI 04-22-12 87
   Game 7... overtime... and the winne... byoffer 04-25-12 96
       RE: Game 7... overtime... and the w... mrc 04-25-12 97
       RE: Game 7... overtime... and the w... HobbsofMI 04-26-12 98
 Panthers vs Devils byoffer 04-12-12 3
   RE: Panthers vs Devils Estee 04-12-12 15
   Game 1: Devils win 3-2 byoffer 04-13-12 38
       RE: Game 1: Devils win 3-2 byoffer 04-15-12 48
   Game 5: the Rats fly again byoffer 04-21-12 83
   Game 6: Devils win in OT byoffer 04-24-12 95
       RE: Game 6: Devils win in OT Estee 04-26-12 99
   Game 7: 3 periods not enough... byoffer 04-26-12 101
       Devils take series. Estee 04-27-12 102
 Penguins vs Flyers byoffer 04-12-12 4
   Game 1 to the Flyers byoffer 04-12-12 9
       RE: Game 1 to the Flyers PepeLePew13 04-12-12 16
   Game 2: Flyers come back and win b... byoffer 04-13-12 39
   Game 3 Philly 8 Pitt 4: Philly up 3... HobbsofMI 04-15-12 43
       RE: Game 3 Philly 8 Pitt 4: Philly ... Estee 04-15-12 44
       RE: Game 3 Philly 8 Pitt 4: Philly ... byoffer 04-15-12 45
   Game 4... PepeLePew13 04-18-12 73
       Pulls fork back out. byoffer 04-19-12 75
   Game 5... PepeLePew13 04-20-12 77
   Game 6 Flyers win 5-1 and Pen's go ... HobbsofMI 04-22-12 86
   Game 6: Flyers win 5-1 to advance byoffer 04-22-12 89
 Canucks vs Kings byoffer 04-12-12 5
   Game 1: 4-2 win for Kings byoffer 04-12-12 10
   RE: Canucks vs Kings PepeLePew13 04-14-12 40
   Game 2: Another Kings win - up 2-0 byoffer 04-15-12 49
   Game 3: Canucks vs Kings mrc 04-16-12 53
   Game 4: Canucks win - Pulls other f... byoffer 04-19-12 76
   Game 5: Kings win in OT byoffer 04-22-12 88
 Blues vs Sharks byoffer 04-12-12 6
   Game 1: 2-2 after 3 periods byoffer 04-12-12 26
       RE: Game 1: 2-2 after 4 periods byoffer 04-12-12 29
           RE: Game 1: 2-2 after 4 periods PepeLePew13 04-12-12 30
           RE: Game 1: Sharks win byoffer 04-12-12 31
   Game 5: Blues win 3-1 byoffer 04-21-12 84
 Coyotes vs Black Hawks byoffer 04-12-12 7
   RE: Coyotes vs Black Hawks PepeLePew13 04-12-12 28
   Overtime PepeLePew13 04-13-12 32
       RE: Overtime PepeLePew13 04-13-12 33
   Game 2: Coyotes vs Black Hawks mrc 04-16-12 54
   Game 3: Coyotes vs Black Hawks mrc 04-18-12 66
       Torres suspended indefinitely HobbsofMI 04-18-12 70
   Bye, bye, Hawks mrc 04-24-12 91
       RE: Bye, bye, Hawks byoffer 04-24-12 92
           RE: Bye, bye, Hawks HobbsofMI 04-24-12 94
 Predators vs Wings byoffer 04-12-12 8
   Game 1 to the Preds byoffer 04-12-12 11
       RE: Game 1 to the Preds mrc 04-12-12 12
           Weber fined $2,500 mrc 04-12-12 13
               RE: Weber fined $2,500 HobbsofMI 04-12-12 14
                   RE: Weber fined $2,500 mrc 04-12-12 17
                       RE: Weber fined $2,500 HobbsofMI 04-12-12 19
                           RE: Weber fined $2,500 mrc 04-12-12 23
                   RE: Weber fined $2,500 PepeLePew13 04-12-12 18
                       RE: Weber fined $2,500 HobbsofMI 04-12-12 20
                           RE: Weber fined $2,500 byoffer 04-12-12 21
                               RE: Weber fined $2,500 PepeLePew13 04-12-12 22
                               RE: Weber fined $2,500 HobbsofMI 04-13-12 34
   Game 2: Wings win 3-2 byoffer 04-13-12 37
       RE: Game 2: Wings win 3-2 PepeLePew13 04-14-12 41
   Game 3 Preds 3 Detroit 2, Preds up ... HobbsofMI 04-15-12 42
       RE: Game 3 Preds 3 Detroit 2, Preds... mrc 04-16-12 55
           RE: Game 3 Preds 3 Detroit 2, Preds... HobbsofMI 04-16-12 56
               RE: Game 3 Preds 3 Detroit 2, Preds... mrc 04-16-12 57
                   RE: Game 3 Preds 3 Detroit 2, Preds... HobbsofMI 04-16-12 60
   Ping-pong-Gate mrc 04-17-12 62
       RE: Ping-pong-Gate PepeLePew13 04-17-12 63
           RE: Ping-pong-Gate mrc 04-17-12 64
   Game 4: Predators vs. Red Wings mrc 04-18-12 65
   Game 5... PepeLePew13 04-20-12 78
       RE: Game 5... HobbsofMI 04-22-12 85
           RE: Game 5... mrc 04-23-12 90
 General Comments byoffer 04-13-12 35
   Initial impressions byoffer 04-13-12 36
   RE: General Comments PepeLePew13 04-15-12 50
       RE: General Comments HobbsofMI 04-16-12 51
   Suspensions recap mrc 04-18-12 67
       RE: Suspensions recap PepeLePew13 04-18-12 68
           The hit. Estee 04-18-12 69
               RE: The hit. PepeLePew13 04-18-12 71
                   RE: The hit. Estee 04-18-12 72
           Torres suspension announced PepeLePew13 04-21-12 79
 Swoop Block on the stick side HobbsofMI 04-26-12 100

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1. "Rangers vs Senators"
1 vs 8 in the East
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24. "Game 1: 4-2 for the Rangers"
The Rangers show Vancouver what a #1 seed is supposed to do with a #8 seed.
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46. "Game 2: Senators win. Series 1-1"
Apparently the Sens are willing to pay the price to play playoff hockey.

Vancouver should pay attention.

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52. "Rangers' Hagelin suspended 3 games for elbow"
LAST EDITED ON 04-16-12 AT 12:50 PM (EST)

Should be for the rest of the year!

Rangers' Hagelin suspended 3 games for elbow

Edit:
One game for Carkner hitting Boyle while on the ice.

So an elbow is worst than pummeling a guy on the ice. Carkner needed the 3 games.

And if Shanny did suspend Webber I think this might not have happen.


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58. "RE: Rangers' Hagelin suspended 3 games for elbow"
Not sure what you mean by:
So pummel a guy on the ice is worst than an elbow.
The elbowing resulted in the longer suspension.

What I found humourous was Torterella's reaction afterwards. He looked like he was implying that Alfie ducked and that's why he got hit in the head. It was quite the contrary, Alfie did a textbook preparing for a check in the new NHL. He braced himself, and drew himself to full height and he still got an elbow to the head and not near the shoulder or anything. That must have been the easiest suspension call to make. I just hope that Alfie can come back and not just for these playoffs! I want him back next year, too!

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59. "RE: Rangers' Hagelin suspended 3 games for elbow"
LAST EDITED ON 04-16-12 AT 12:54 PM (EST)

I reversed it.....the elbow was worst than pummeling a guy on the ice, fixed it.

I hope Alf is alright too.


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61. "RE: Rangers vs Senators - Game 3"
Was a good game. Lots of action especially in the third. I was listening on the radio and thought that the Sens had tied it several times but, alas!, no.

Go Sens Go!!


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74. "Game 4..."
Turris scores in overtime!

Sens tie up the series at 2 games apiece.

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81. "Game 5: The Ottawa Andersons win again"
I guess no one told Anderson (and the rest of the Sens) that the Rangers were a #1 seed.

Spezza gets rewarded for tough play with 2 goals.

Go Sens!!

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93. "Game 7: Rangers hold on to win a close one"
LAST EDITED ON 04-24-12 AT 10:52 AM (EST)

eta - aw crap, that should be Game 6 in the Subject line.

and force game 7.

All the betting money will be on the Rangers, but who figured Ottawa would even get this close?

Go Sens!!

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103. "Game 7"

Here's hoping Alfie stays one more year. Did you hear how Alfie got off the team bus and went down the street shaking hands with the Sens fans who were at the stadium? Nice.


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2. "Bruins vs Capitals"
2 vs 7 in the East
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25. "Game 1: scoreless after 3 periods"
That's some defense/goaltending.
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27. "RE: Game 1: scoreless after 3 periods"
Chris Kelly ends it early in OT ... 1-0 for Bruins.
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47. "Game 2 - Caps win"
Is Ovy waking up?

And where is Deb??

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80. "Caps win game 5..."
...and take over the lead in the series, 3 games to 2, with game 6 at home in Washington!

The topsy-turvy playoffs continue...

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82. "RE: Caps win game 5..."
Somewhere (sadly not here) DebCapsFan is smiling.
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87. "Game 6: Bruins win in OT to send it to a game 7"
Washington was playing catch up with Boston all day but got it to OT then blew it. So back to Boston we go our first game 7.


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96. "Game 7... overtime... and the winner is..."
...Washington!

This series had 4 OTs, and all 7 games decided by 1 goal. Commentator noted that the whole series was arguably decided by just 7 mistakes.

Kudos to Holtby. Rookie goalie (less than rookie actually) shutting down the defending Cup champs.

So both finalists from last year are out in Round 1.

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97. "RE: Game 7... overtime... and the winner is..."
I'm pretty unhappy with the B's, but Holtby was better than Thomas most of the series. He was the difference.

Done by a Cap

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98. "RE: Game 7... overtime... and the winner is..."
Did you think Thomas got a bit interfered with on that OT goal? Knuble was not pushed in to him but went into the crease after his shot without trying to stop as the puck went out of the crease. Then Ward shot the puck but it seemed Thomas was tied up by Knuble.


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3. "Panthers vs Devils"
3 vs 6 in the East
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15. "RE: Panthers vs Devils"
Shall we try to be organized with our discussions?

Why start now?

The local mood is edged cautious optimism. Handle carefully: it's sharp.

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38. "Game 1: Devils win 3-2"
Another 1 goal game, and another road team wins.
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48. "RE: Game 1: Devils win 3-2"
I just saw commentators talking about this game. That was Martin Brodeur's 100th playoff win (wow) and in the game he got an assist for his 10th career playoff point. They noted that this tied him on the career list with Aaron Ward (one of the commentators - and NOT a goalie). Talk about kicking Ward. The only solace is that they are also tied in another career stat - Stanley Cup trophy wins.
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83. "Game 5: the Rats fly again"
and Florida takes 3-2 series lead.

Next game in NJ. Can a top seed win in the East?

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95. "Game 6: Devils win in OT"
Another series off to game 7.
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99. "RE: Game 6: Devils win in OT"
The New Jersey Devils: Yes, We Do This On Purpose. We Need Every Ticket We Can Get.
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101. "Game 7: 3 periods not enough..."
...and neither were 4. Off to double OT.

Round 1 will never end!!


Incredible stat - this is Martin Brodeur's 10 game 7. Wow.

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102. "Devils take series."
Experience very occasionally counts.

And now to sell a few more tickets! -- very, very slowly...

The team is near-unique in asking subscribers to pay for one round, one game at a time. No holding onto a bulk payment and collecting interest.

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4. "Penguins vs Flyers"
4 vs 5 in the East
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9. "Game 1 to the Flyers"
Pens go up 3-0 in the first period, but the Flyers storm back (in part thanks to a drastically off-side goal) and win in OT.
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16. "RE: Game 1 to the Flyers"
Yeah that was complete baloney - Briere was at least a foot and half off-side, so his goal should never have counted.

I saw Kerry Fraser's explanation on TSN after the game - while it makes sense, it's still garbage. He said that while the referee was right there on the other side of the blue line, it's still the linesman's call to make on that play. If there's no motion or call from the linesman, the ref can blow the whistle and call it off-side -- but in this case, the linseman (who was closer to the red line than the blue line at the time) made the 'no off-side' motion so at that point, the ref had to back off as the call has been made. Overrule him!

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39. "Game 2: Flyers come back and win big 8-5"
Flyers win first two games on the road. Apparently leads are not safe against Philly.
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43. "Game 3 Philly 8 Pitt 4: Philly up 3-0"
What happen to Pitts D and Flury? I though this would be a great series but it's turning into a joke.


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44. "RE: Game 3 Philly 8 Pitt 4: Philly up 3-0"
I just want to know how many assault charges were filed.
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45. "RE: Game 3 Philly 8 Pitt 4: Philly up 3-0"
Pitts should be embarrassed by that performance. Play with emotion, but don't forget that you are professionals.

Fleury has been terrible. They need to change goalies for the next game, or put Fleury on a very short leash.

I can't see a way that Pitts can win this series.

Check that - I can't see a way that Pitts can win a game in this series.

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73. "Game 4..."
Score is 10-3 ... this time for the Pens.

45 goals in 4 games, whoa. That's 15 games total for some teams such as the Kings or Blues.

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75. "Pulls fork back out."
What? Wait! Apparently the Pens are not dead.

I only saw highlights well after the game. Can't believe they won, especially after the way the game started (with more Penguin penalties). Shockingly it seems that a couple of Fleury saves started the rally (he was such a goat in the other games).

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77. "Game 5..."
Pens win again in the lowest-scoring game of the series, 3-2.

The collar's getting real tight for the Flyers, who no doubt have vivid memories of their comeback from being down 3-0 in games to the Bruins a couple of years ago.

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86. "Game 6 Flyers win 5-1 and Pen's go golfing"
So much for the favorites in the East. Philly got it rolling right off the face off and never looked back in this one.


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89. "Game 6: Flyers win 5-1 to advance"
Hard to call Philly beating Pitt an upset, but this series was crazier than expected (at least by me).
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5. "Canucks vs Kings"
1 vs 8 in the West
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10. "Game 1: 4-2 win for Kings"
I watched the first period and part of second. The Canucks looked quite flat. I don't think they have forgotten the commitment required to get through the playoffs, but I don't think they showed it last night.

The good news? From what I saw Luongo looked good.

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40. "RE: Canucks vs Kings"
Vancouver's in deep trouble now. Dustin Brown tied a record in scoring two shorthanded goals in one playoff game and now the Canucks got to go into L.A. and win at least two games there.
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49. "Game 2: Another Kings win - up 2-0"
I didn't see this one, but looking very bad for VanCity. At least they have a backup goalie who can start the next game and possibly give them some motivation.
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53. "Game 3: Canucks vs Kings"
I picked the Kings, but jeepers! I didn't expect the Canucks to fold like a cheap tent.

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76. "Game 4: Canucks win - Pulls other fork out "
D. Sedin returns, and the Canucks win. Shocking.

But really, they can't come all the way back, can they??

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88. "Game 5: Kings win in OT"
and win the series 4-1.

President's Trophy winners are out.

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6. "Blues vs Sharks"
2 vs 7 in the West
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26. "Game 1: 2-2 after 3 periods"
Sharks have come to play!
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29. "RE: Game 1: 2-2 after 4 periods"
and on into the 5th period...
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30. "RE: Game 1: 2-2 after 4 periods"
Havlat scores in double overtime to win it for the Sharks! 1-0 in games for San Jose...
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31. "RE: Game 1: Sharks win"
Havlat scores for the Sharks early in the 5th period. One-timer, but IMO the goalie should have had that one.

Then again, even goalies get tired.

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84. "Game 5: Blues win 3-1"
and punch their ticket to the next round with a 4-1 series win.

From what I have seen, the Blues may be the best-looking team in these playoffs.

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7. "Coyotes vs Black Hawks"
3 vs 6 in the West
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28. "RE: Coyotes vs Black Hawks"
Good to see Toews back after missing 20+ games to a concussion ... he just opened the scoring in Game 1.
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32. "Overtime"
Just as it looked like the Coyotes were going to wrap up Game 1, poof, Seabrook tied it with 15 seconds left.

We're now 5 minutes into the first overtime period, still tied at 2 apiece.

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33. "RE: Overtime"
Phoenix wins it 9 minutes into OT! Hanzal nets the game-winner...
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54. "Game 2: Coyotes vs Black Hawks"
Phoenix really needed Game 2. I don't trust Chicago's goaltending, but being even 1-1 going home is better than down 0-2.

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66. "Game 3: Coyotes vs Black Hawks"
I want to see the Hawks go down, but the Torres hit was over the line.

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70. "Torres suspended indefinitely"
Just heard....I say out for the playoffs but Shanny might give him 4 games when looking at the other suspensions handed out so far.


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91. "Bye, bye, Hawks"
Didn't expect them to last long, and they didn't.

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92. "RE: Bye, bye, Hawks"
That said, they totally dominated last night's game.

Except for goaltending. Apparently that is important, and Coyotes' goalie Smith was unbelievable.

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94. "RE: Bye, bye, Hawks"
Chicago shouldn't even be in the playoffs if they didn't hide Huet in Switzerland and his $5 million cap hit. They can't even recall him if they wanted. Bye-bye Hawks.


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8. "Predators vs Wings "
4 vs 5 in the West
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11. "Game 1 to the Preds"
I saw a bit of this game. The Preds didn't dominate, but seemed willing to commit to a playoff style of hockey. Pekka Rinne looked solid, and the team played hard. Detroit will not go easily, but could age be (finally?) catching up on them?
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12. "RE: Game 1 to the Preds"
The Preds were the better team on the ice of most of the game. The penalty calls were ridiculous. I attribute them to the commish being in the building.

Interesting to see if Weber's hit on Zetterberg will lead to a suspension.

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13. "Weber fined $2,500"
Probably the right call. Weber better keep his nose clean the rest of the way.

As someone tweeted, the Wings, who willingly employ Bertuzzi, have no right to complain about any rough stuff.

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14. "RE: Weber fined $2,500"
Not the right call. That was not a hockey move by any stretch of the imagination. Should have been 1 game and even Pred fans agree that it was dirty and he needed to sit.

This will just lead to something else where someone might get hurt all because the refs where out of control last night.


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17. "RE: Weber fined $2,500"
Bertuzzi punching Gaustad in the face twice while the ref was holding Gaustad wasn't a hockey play, either, but no one in Detriot is mentioning that incident.

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19. "RE: Weber fined $2,500"
You mean after Weber did that to Z? This is what I'm talking about in retaliation....yes, I saw that plus all the others when the clock hit 0. Again, this was all caused by the refs frustrating the heck out of all the players all night. They called the ticky tack plays and let go some major calls.


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23. "RE: Weber fined $2,500"
I agree that the refs let some things go that needed to be called and called some pretty silly things.

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18. "RE: Weber fined $2,500"
While I agree it was uncalled for to slam Zetterberg's head like that, still I've seen much worse than that in the playoffs that never go called. He might have gotten a game for that in the regular season, but that kind of play in the playoffs never get punished. It was a reckless play by Weber, but not as dangerous as a flagrant elbow on the fly - plenty of which goes uncalled.

For those of you who missed it, here it is:


And agree the refs were ridiculous with Bettman in the house...

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20. "RE: Weber fined $2,500"
If that was Crosby....What do you think would happen? What would Don Cherry say to that?

Playoffs are a grind and rough but that crossed the line even for playoff plays.


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21. "RE: Weber fined $2,500"
I hadn't seen the play until seeing Pepe's link above. To be honest, and maybe I am not seeing things clearly, but I see three "contacts". First Zett hits Weber from behind into the boards. Then Weber tries to punch Zett in the back of the head (does he miss?). Then Weber pushes Zett into the boards.

IMO, Zett's hit from behind into the boards was more dangerous than Weber's push into the boards. Did Weber's punch actually hit? Miss or not that is a penalty. The push after the missed punch actually looked pretty weak.

The whole thing didn't look very dangerous.

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22. "RE: Weber fined $2,500"
Yeah, there has been talk that Weber reacted because of Zetterberg's hit (which I didn't think was a particularly big deal in itself, frankly... a dime-a-dozen play), which factored in the decision to fine him instead to suspend him as much as the fact that Zetterberg wasn't injured.

Weber's punch missed. The head slam wasn't more damaging because Zetterberg had the visor on his face to keep his beak from getting broken, which certainly could have happened without the visor.

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34. "RE: Weber fined $2,500"
I'm sorry but Z's hit from behind was not much more that a bump as all he was trying to do was knock him off the puck for one last shot. Plus you have 195 lbs vs. 230 lbs and you didn't see Webber go splat against the boards.

The dangerous part was Webber grabbing the back of Z's head and slamming it into the glass. I'll disagree that that didn't look very dangerous. If Z didn't have a visor it could have been very bad.


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37. "Game 2: Wings win 3-2 "
Maybe they aren't too old?

Weber scored the second Preds goal, which surely had Wings fans upset.

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41. "RE: Game 2: Wings win 3-2 "
Well, Weber and Bertuzzi squared off in a bout early in the game, so maybe they were mollified a bit by that...

Like the Wings can complain in the first place by employing a goon like Bertuzzi in the first place, a guy who callously broke a guy's neck in a completely premeditated manner, unlike Weber's act.

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42. "Game 3 Preds 3 Detroit 2, Preds up 2-1"
Great game as the Preds jumped all over the Wings early. Another .1 of a second in the second it would have been all tied up. The Wings were flying around and pushing like crazy in the 3rd but it also lead to the Preds 3rd goal.


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55. "RE: Game 3 Preds 3 Detroit 2, Preds up 2-1"
Just a comment: For being Hockeytown, there sure were a lot of empty seats at The Joe.

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56. "RE: Game 3 Preds 3 Detroit 2, Preds up 2-1"
Empty? What channel where you watching?

Or are you asking about during the game? If so the Joe won't let you go to your seat while play is going on so at times the lower bowl may look like there are seat open espeically when there are very few stoppages in play. Plus those are mostly corporate seats so they go down to the lounge to talk, drink and eat.


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57. "RE: Game 3 Preds 3 Detroit 2, Preds up 2-1"
Your picture doesn't show much--it's a bit dark.

I watched the entire game, and there were a LOT of empty seats in the lower bowl the whole time. Most hockey arenas don't let you go back to your seat until a stoppage in play, so I don't see that as particularly relevant. The corporate angle may be as good an explanation as any.

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60. "RE: Game 3 Preds 3 Detroit 2, Preds up 2-1"
Giving everyone a flashlight was cool along with the video on the ice.

From my season tickets seats I see many people come for the drop of the puck and at the first stoppage in play get up to never come back or come in the second or third period. Especially the lower bowl but even in the upper bowl. I never understand that.


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62. "Ping-pong-Gate"
At least Bertuzzi didn't break their necks.

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63. "RE: Ping-pong-Gate"
Too bad it isn't true. Bert himself told the Free Press that it wasn't him, rather it was security who packed it up after some Pred players asked if they could use the table for a spell.

I like this one... Dale Hunter, of all people, being "outraged aboutthe egregious violence in the playoffs" - that's a good one coming from the same dude who served up the single most egregious act in playoff history with his cheap shot on Turgeon.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/dale-hunter-says-bruins-headhunting-nicklas-backstrom-doesn-164350068.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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64. "RE: Ping-pong-Gate"
According to Berts, he ratted out the Preds players to security:

http://www.freep.com/article/20120417/SPORTS05/120417038

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And it may have been appropriate, given its proximity to the Wings' hallway.

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65. "Game 4: Predators vs. Red Wings"
I think Detroit is toast now. Rinne has been incredible so far.

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78. "Game 5..."
Preds become the first team to punch their ticket to the second round by beating the Wings to win the series, 4-1. If the Coyotes hold on against the Hawks, I gotta say I like the Preds' chances of moving on to the conference finals.
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85. "RE: Game 5..."
Great D and great Goalie shove us to the outside and made us play dump and chase. Something the Wings are never built for or good at. I think Howard is still feeling his groin and Dat's line was crap as Babcock tried over and over to get it going by switching people up on it.

People are calling for Babcock's head and a fire sale or whole sale changes. I say the NHL is just that close between teams and we need to realize we just can't go out and get anyone anymore. I trust the Wings, Holland and Babcock will reload and rebuild in a sensible way. All the injuries showed there are some young talent coming up soon.


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90. "RE: Game 5..."
I think Howard is still feeling his groin

Explains why he couldn't stop the puck . . . :p

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35. "General Comments"
You don't have to be a general to respond to this.
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36. "Initial impressions"
Long way to go, but thru 7 games...
- 3 upsets. (per the standings. Some would argue that Philly winning is barely an upset.
- 4 OTs. In fact, only 2 games had margin of victory of more than 1 goal. This is playoff hockey!!
- IMO, the defending RUPs are the only team that really disappointed in their first game. Hopefully game 1 will be the wakeup call they needed, and reminder of what it took to get there last year. Although maybe we will see proof that when it comes to Sedin's, 1+1>2, and sadly they don't have 1+1.
- Refereeing has had an impact on a few games. Shakes of the rust from your stripes!
- just as we thought going into the playoffs, so far many many teams can win this thing.
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50. "RE: General Comments"
LAST EDITED ON 04-15-12 AT 09:20 PM (EST)

This is one of the nastiest openings to a playoff I've seen in quite a long time. Let's see...

- Wings-Preds, there's the Weber head-smashing of Zetterberg in game one, then some donnybrooks since then, today Franzen speared someone in the Preds bench.

- Hawks-Yotes, Andrew Shaw took his shoulder into a direct hit on Mike Smith's head yesterday.

- Rangers-Senators is turning ugly. Hagelin elbow to Alfredsson's head, Boyle doing a Marchand on Karlsson which touched off a series of bouts including Carkner jumping Boyle and other niceties being exchanged.

- Kings-Canucks, Bitz drilled Clifford in the head with an elbow from behind and got suspended for it.

- Sharks-Blues, cheap shots exchanged at the end of the game yesterday, little donnybrook taking place.

- And last, but not least, the Flyers-Pens series is completely out of control now, both on the scoreboard (32 goals in 3 games) and especially on the fight card. Cheap shots galore and we've got superstars brawling with each other (Giroux vs. Crosby in one bout). There's even hair-pulling (Hartnell vs. Adams).

Only the Devils-Panthers and Caps-Bruins are relatively mild by comparison, even if they've had their moments.

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51. "RE: General Comments"
LAST EDITED ON 04-16-12 AT 08:30 AM (EST)

100% agree and the league and refs have done a big disservice to NHL hockey.

I thought the Wing/Preds stuff was done with Bert fighting Webber but there is still so many elbows flying around and stuff going on behind the play it's not funny. I didn't see Franzen's spear live but the bench holding his sweater was caught and he needed to keep his cool. That's two games that people on the bench are effecting the game and I can't remember another time before this that I've seen that. Totally out of control. Both these teams are really close to each other so I expect some "playoff" hockey stuff but again I think the refs lost control.

Hagelin got 3 games when it should be done for the year.

If Smith can't play then the Yotes are done which is too bad they've really come around and the Hawks are just playing dirt to win.

H. Sedin got smoked last night, I think it was legal but I need to re-look at it as I think he may have left his feet, and then there are a ton of crap going on.

Pitt/Philly....I don't even know where to start but the refs have lost control in each game.

This is crazy and ruining the game.


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67. "Suspensions recap"
To recap:

Aaron Asham: 4 games
Crime: Cross-check to throat
Injury: No

Andrew Shaw: 3 games
Crime: Hit to goalie's head
Injury: No

Carl Hagelin: 3 games
Crime: Hit to head
Injury: Yes

Byron Bitz: 2 games
Crime: Boarding
Injury: Yes

James Neal: 1 game
Crime: Head-hunting xs 2
Injury: No

Craig Adams: 1 game
Crime: Third-man in; instigator
Injury: No

Nicklas Backstrom: 1 game
Crime: Cross-check to head
Injury: No

Matt Carkner: 1 game
Crime: Attacking player who turtled
Injury: No

Shanahan seems to be basing suspensions on whether injury occurs. No, wait, he's not. Okay, maybe it plays a role:

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nhl/article/1162744--nhl-playoffs-brendan-shanahan-explains-suspensions

Shanny was one of the few RW players I liked, but he has been disgraceful this post-season.

In hindsight, suspending Weber one game might have been the right call if it kept this other nonsense from occurring.

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68. "RE: Suspensions recap"
LAST EDITED ON 04-18-12 AT 12:24 PM (EST)


One interesting point of discussion that I saw was that Backstrom and Asham's infractions were similar in that both went to the head and neither caused an injury to knock a player out of the game.

So why did Backstrom get one game while Asham got 4? Backstrom is a big name player, Asham isn't.


ETA: I think Torres is going to be moved to the top of your list by this time tomorrow - he's a repeat offender and Shanaban will be under pressure to ramp up the suspensions (as it appears he's doing with the Asham and Shaw suspensions). I wouldn't be surprised to see 5 games for Torres - although, it probably should be more like 10+ games.

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69. "The hit."
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/24329/heres-that-raffi-torres-hit-on-marian-hossa

Ow.

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71. "RE: The hit."
Here's some even better views of the hit - particularly starting at 1:38 where it breaks down where Torres was coming from, that really gives you a sense of the violence of the hit in real time.

http://www.csnchicago.com/pages/video?PID=6cLLTB-JWPwyIG5bUi6QDUezZ38oSx0xibyPJRR

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72. "RE: The hit."
...and now I need an aspirin.

Also a massage.

Possibly a cast.

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79. "Torres suspension announced"
25 games.

While it's good to see that Shanaban is finally taking note of all the cheap shots out there and is starting to penalize hits more severely, I still think 25 games is excessive for this kind of hit. To me, open ice hits should not be penalized 6 times more severely than for a flying elbow to the head of a guy pinned against the boards.

Yeah yeah yeah, Torres is a multiple repeat-offender, but still...

On the bright side, we've had some pretty clean games the last two or three days, especially in the Philly-Pitt series. Looks like the suspensions has had their desired effect, so far.

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100. "Swoop Block on the stick side"
Sweeps it away to the corner.


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