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"Baseball free agent tracker."
The first major signings are on the verge of breaking into whatever headlines they can grab, which makes this a good time to start the scorecard on who winds up where. For starters, the never-named sources claim we have the initial big splash days to hours away, made by the Marlins, who are going to sign --

*sigh*

-- Jose Reyes. Six years, $102m, an option for a seventh. (Hanley Ramirez is equally sourced to be moving to third base.) And they're going after Pujols next.

There will now be a brief pause while I write off the local 2012 season.

...well, that was quick.

The Mets will sign no one. As is 'No players, no payroll, forfeit 162 games, make a profit, repeat.'

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 RE: Baseball free agent tracker. Max Headroom 12-05-11 1
   RE: Baseball free agent tracker. Estee 12-05-11 2
 Pujols PepeLePew13 12-05-11 3
   RE: Pujols Max Headroom 12-05-11 4
   RE: Pujols Estee 12-05-11 5
 Makes sense to me. Estee 12-05-11 6
 The Marlins ain't sane scare... Estee 12-06-11 7
   RE: The Marlins ain't sane s... Max Headroom 12-06-11 8
       RE: The Marlins ain't sane s... Estee 12-07-11 9
       RE: The Marlins ain't sane s... PepeLePew13 12-07-11 10
 The Mets PepeLePew13 12-07-11 11
   RE: The Mets Estee 12-07-11 12
       RE: The Mets Max Headroom 12-07-11 13
           RE: The Mets PepeLePew13 12-07-11 15
               RE: The Mets Estee 12-07-11 17
           RE: The Mets Estee 12-07-11 16
 Marlins announcement at 12:15 ET PepeLePew13 12-07-11 14
 It's a world speed record. Max Headroom 12-07-11 18
 And he never won another ring. Estee 12-08-11 19
   RE: And he never won another ring. PepeLePew13 12-08-11 20
   RE: And he never won another ring. Max Headroom 12-08-11 21
       RE: And he never won another ring. Molaholic 12-08-11 23
       RE: And he never won another ring. kingfish 12-09-11 24
 Angels add C.J. Wilson. Estee 12-08-11 22
 Ryan Braun and 'roids AyaK 12-10-11 25
   RE: Ryan Braun and 'roids Estee 12-12-11 26
   RE: Ryan Braun and 'roids HobbsofMI 12-12-11 27
       RE: Ryan Braun and 'roids Max Headroom 12-12-11 28
 Blue Jays to get Yu Darvish? PepeLePew13 12-16-11 29
 9 years, $214 million for Prince Fi... PepeLePew13 01-24-12 30
   RE: 9 years, $214 million for Princ... bondt007 01-24-12 31
       RE: 9 years, $214 million for Princ... PepeLePew13 01-24-12 33
           RE: 9 years, $214 million for Princ... Max Headroom 01-25-12 34
               RE: 9 years, $214 million for Princ... AyaK 01-25-12 35
                   RE: 9 years, $214 million for Princ... PepeLePew13 01-25-12 36
                       RE: 9 years, $214 million for Princ... HobbsofMI 01-25-12 37
                           RE: 9 years, $214 million for Princ... PepeLePew13 01-25-12 38
   RE: 9 years, $214 million for Princ... AyaK 01-24-12 32

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1. "RE: Baseball free agent tracker."
You're not excited by Ruben Tejada at shortstop?

If it makes you feel any better, the Marlins grossly overpaid for Reyes at $106MM, and they paid top dollar for Heath Bell too. With his injury history, who in their right mind would give a six-year contract to Reyes? (How soon everybody forgets the Carl Crawford contract.) And three years is a long time for a closer's contract, not to mention the $27MM price tag.

The Mets' problem is that they still owe a lot of money to David Wright, Jason Bay (gigglesnort), and Johan Santana. Good luck absorbing that load and still having money to pay the peanut vendors, let alone adding competent players to the roster.

And here's a final thought for you:

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2. "RE: Baseball free agent tracker."
Well, here's an equally happy thought for you: guess who's in the middle of filing the paperwork to unretire? Manny Ramirez. And what team has the environment necessary to make his fading power into something halfway viable?

Gosh, what a mystery.

Jose's contract... I realize they're potentially paying him for two years and his hamstring for the other four. It's just hard to lose him when he's been a Met his entire career (and we have so few of those) plus he's one of the only sometimes-viable players we've got -- had. This is a flu shot: you knew it was coming and it's arguably necessary, but you're still sick for three days.

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3. "Pujols"
Here's an interesting debate on how old Albert Pujols really is.

This might be why it's taken so long to get a legit offer in place for him and might be why the Cardinals aren't in an urgent rush to get him signed for 9 years. Otherwise, I can't believe the Cards would even think of letting him go as he's such an iconic player.

For what little it's worth, I believe the rumours that he's actually 33 or 34. However old he is, it's not going to affect his legacy as a baseball player as he's had one of the greatest 11-year stretches in MLB history and is a first-ballot lock for the HOF, but it makes a big difference when you're trying to consider if he's worth offering a 9-year contract.

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12-05-11, 05:31 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Pujols"
Interesting, I knew "baseball age" wasn't uncommon for players from the Dominican Republic, but I didn't realize Pujols had that issue too. Thanks for posting the link.

As for another premium free agent first baseman, it'll be interesting to see how Prince Fielder does as a free agent. The man is larger than the average hippo at age 27, and genetics don't lie-- his father ate himself out of the league at a fairly young age too. I can easily visualize Prince as a fatter Adam Dunn in a couple of years.

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5. "RE: Pujols"
He's -- younger than Greg Oden?

The age question hasn't exactly been uncommon with players from his part of the planet and I don't expect it to go away until the area gets their records standardized -- e.g. probably never. And the number of players who retain their skill through their early forties is -- low. Really, really low. So if the Cardinals are believing this, they have a legitimate concern about any contract. And as for Albert, he can't easily start telling any other story now. Or possibly ever.

But the idea of a Reyes-Pujols conjunction is terrifying. The last thing any pitcher working to a power hitter needs is a distraction -- and what does a good leadoff batter do? Bet on base and drive them insane for the duration. Put together that level of distraction with that amount of power, and...

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6. "Makes sense to me."
I just heard the following podcast theory on how to deal with the loss of Reyes.

1. Wait for the Marlins to win the World Series next year.
2. Fire sale!
3. Trade for him and get Miami to pick up half his salary.

Don't laugh. There's precedent.

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7. "The Marlins ain't sane scared!"
While the cash total of their latest offer is unknown, the duration isn't: ten years. This could be frontloaded, it could be even distribution, and it could be 'You can walk away after your first at-bat', but it's a decade in length for a player with a dubious birthdate, slowly-declining production, and in the worst-case scenario, a desire to pass A-Fraud.

That fire sale is looking more likely with every passing day.

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8. "RE: The Marlins ain't sane scared!"
Now Albert is considering three offers for 10 years and $200 million dollars-- the Marlins, Cardinals, and a third unidentified team. It's madness.
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9. "RE: The Marlins ain't sane scared!"
Clearly the owners need a new CBA to save them from themselves.

Could the third team be the Yankees? They've been a little too quiet in the early stages.

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10. "RE: The Marlins ain't sane scared!"
Make it four. The latest scuttlebutt has the Cubs and the Angels possibly in the mix as well.
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11. "The Mets"
...made a couple of FA moves: signing Jon Rauch and Frank Francisco.

*dies laughing*


These two contributed to the Jays being dead last in bullpen save percentage this past season, so I'm not exactly heartbroken over these two leaving, especially since we just traded for Sergio Santos and his 30 saves. Big step up for the Jays, even if I hated to see a live arm in Nestor Molina go in the Santos trade.

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12. "RE: The Mets"
Et tu, skunk?
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13. "RE: The Mets"
*head tilt*

Did you expect the Jays to send Jose Bautista to the Mets?

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15. "RE: The Mets"
Well... the Mets *did* have Bautista once upon a time, back in 2004 for a day - he was part of the trade that brought Anna Benson to New York.
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17. "RE: The Mets"
I'd like to retroactively null the Cone trade now.

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16. "RE: The Mets"
As the team is currently claiming financial losses normally only seen by NBA franchises, they might settle for a Canadian dollar. Oh, and having Shea back with Citi never having been built. Also, as long as we're time-traveling, kiss about a dozen assorted free agents goodbye. Plus Omar is fired. On Day Two.

It's already been a long season.

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14. "Marlins announcement at 12:15 ET"
LAST EDITED ON 12-07-11 AT 12:39 PM (EST)

No hints on what this is about, but apparently the Marlins have said there will be an announcement made at 12:15 ET. This could very well be an announcement whether they've come to terms with Albert Pujols.

Phfft. They just updated the tweet to say that the announcement is related to Jose Reyes.

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18. "It's a world speed record."
Hanley Ramirez is already rumored to be whining about having to vacate the SS spot.
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19. "And he never won another ring."
Albert Pujols to Anaheim: 10 years, $250m, no-trade clause included.

So he was after A-Fraud money all along. And with that contract, should do to them what his predecessor did to the Rangers. The Angels claim they still have enough cash to get C.J. Wilson and maybe they do, but after that -- well, you have two players, a lot of tied-up payroll, and hopefully a really reliable minor league system.

It can't be a happy day in St. Louis. No one can adopt you like a Cardinals fan -- but no one can disown on the same level either.

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20. "RE: And he never won another ring."
LAST EDITED ON 12-08-11 AT 04:01 PM (EST)

Once a Cardinal, always a Cardinal... he'll still be 'the man' in St. Louis.

But that is a real stunner about the Angels, indeed. He'll fit right in along with Vernon Wells and Torii Hunter as massively-overpaid players who age quickly (I still believe Albert's 33 or 34) and handicap the team for years to come.

The Angels seems to be cornering the market on "sucker contracts". The only way that 10-year, 250M contract makes sense is if Albert stays in St. Louis since he's given the franchise so much value over the past eleven years that the team practically owes him that much for what he's provided ... but not the Angels.

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21. "RE: And he never won another ring."
Wow, I never thought Albert would leave St. Louis. At least the Angels can put him at DH for those last few years when he's too old to play the field.
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23. "RE: And he never won another ring."
But he can keep all his red stuff.
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24. "RE: And he never won another ring."
I didn't think he'd leave StL either.

Is that a guaranteed contract? If so (and even if not so)...WOW.

25M/yr for 10 years. He probably has incentives built into that too.

No one, but no one is worth that. But if anyone was, Pujols might be. No scandals on or off the field, presumably no steroid use, promotes baseball in Dominican republic, a hero there and here, and a prodigious hitter (avg 42 hrs/yr), outstanding defensively, outstanding post season offensive, capable of winning a number of games basically single handedly that a team would otherwise lose. Throw in a few GG awards, and he's almost the perfect player. Maybe he could work on stealing a few more bases.

About $150,000 a game, or about $50,000/hour. If he lasts 10 years. The Angels will probably be getting less, maybe only 4 or 5 years. If his contract is guaranteed, that is a mighty sweet deal, and kudos to him for taking it. He'd be insane not to.And if they really wanted him (and could afford it), poo poo on StL for not matching.

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22. "Angels add C.J. Wilson."
Five years, 77.5m. Apparently the winning bonus points were the fifth year and getting to play with Albert: he claims he took less money to head for Anaheim.

Interesting bit in the ESPN article: he's the first pitcher in the wild-card era to lose a game in all three playoff rounds during the same season -- plus he was the losing pitcher in the All-Star game, which cost the Rangers last-ups for Game Seven. So if you're looking for a big-game pitcher, this is clearly your man. If you're looking for a positive result...

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25. "Ryan Braun and 'roids"
If anyone other than the used-car-salesman-in-chief believed that baseball actually had eliminated the steroid problem, Ryan Braun just ripped the blinders off your eyes.

Of course, the Red Sox (like David Ortiz) avoided detection by the simple expedient of missing the playoffs. Ryan Braun wasn't as testing-savvy, it appears.

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26. "RE: Ryan Braun and 'roids"
His tests reportedly showed a higher testosterone level than anyone tested in the history of the program, so...

A. His best defense might be testicular cancer.
B. His second-best defense is "TAKE IT BACK OR I'LL KILL YOU!"

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27. "RE: Ryan Braun and 'roids"
MLB announces they will not be taking his MVP award away.


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28. "RE: Ryan Braun and 'roids"
I've already taken away his fantasy baseball MVP award for 2012.

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29. "Blue Jays to get Yu Darvish?"
LAST EDITED ON 12-16-11 AT 10:08 PM (EST)

The scuttlebutt is rather strong that the Blue Jays have outbid everyone else for the right to negotiate with Yu Darvish. If that's true, that's a major coup for the Jays and they'll not only have a drastic upgrade to their pitching rotation (the weak spot from last season) but also rake in tons of money from new fans.

The Toronto area has about 320,000 Asians and 95,000 Persians (Darvish is half-Iranian), so the attendance is sure to go up and the marketing possibilities could result in a bonanza.

For me? About freakin' time the Jays upgraded their roster in a major way!

One of many articles analyzing the possible Jays move to get Darvish


ETA: Had a good laugh at this completely-butchered translation from Japanese to English... monsters!

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30. "9 years, $214 million for Prince Fielder"
LAST EDITED ON 01-24-12 AT 05:56 PM (EST)

... with the Tigers.

I gotta say I didn't see that one coming. At all. It was just last week the GM was saying he wouldn't want Fielder for anything longer than a year with Victor Martinez returning in 2013.

So... where is everyone gonna play? Congrats, Tigers, you now have more DHs on your roster than anyone else. Miguel Cabrera, Victor Martinez, Prince Fielder, Ryan Raburn, and Brennan Boesch are all below-average fielders more suited to playing DH than in the field, while Delmon Young and Jhonny Peralta are meh. Heaven help them if they decide to bring back Magglio Ordonez to play in in the OF again.

So when Victor comes back, who plays where? Miggy back at third base again? He'll be lumbering after bunts all year. One of Fielder and V-Mart will have to play first base with the other being the full time DH.

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31. "RE: 9 years, $214 million for Prince Fielder"
They still have Alex Avila, right?

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33. "RE: 9 years, $214 million for Prince Fielder"
They do. Unfortunately, Avila isn't spry enough to cover 7 of the 9 positions on defense, besides Austin Jackson and the pitcher.

And to AyaK, Miggy tweeted (or someone else representing him) that he's going back to 3B. He was apparently consulted in advance of the signing and gave the thumbs up to accommodating Prince.

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34. "RE: 9 years, $214 million for Prince Fielder"
But do the Tigers really want slow, fat Miguel Cabrera at 3B? They already have one statue on the left side of the infield in Peralta; do they really want two?

Or they could stock up on strikeout pitchers.

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35. "RE: 9 years, $214 million for Prince Fielder"
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Pepe, I hadn't heard that Cabrera agreed to go back to third. But my thoughts were the same as Max's. A weak defensive third baseman -- say, for example, a Cabrera -- will increase your ERA by at least half a run per game. For a team that relies so heavily on its pitching, Detroit just put a lot more pressure on it.

The Red Sox ran into this problem last year when they signed Adrian Gonzalez. Kevin Youkalis had been a Gold Glove first baseman, but he wasn't a Gold Glove third baseman -- and he ended up getting hurt, which hurt the Sox even more because their right-handed power was almost exclusively Youkalis and Dustin Pedroia. But there just wasn't any defensive comparison between Youkalis and Adrian Beltre, who had been the Sox's 3B in 2010. To top it off, Gonzalez's HR power surprisingly DROPPED when he moved from cavernous Petco Park to Fenway, and he didn't hit any more HRs than Beltre had (in fact, I think he hit one less).

But at least Youkalis was competent, if not exceptional like Beltre, at third. Cabrera could be replaced with a stone monument. He made 13 errors at FIRST base last year. Compared to Cabrera, Brandon Inge (a Mendoza-line hitter who was Cabrera's main replacement at third last year) looks like Brooks Robinson.

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36. "RE: 9 years, $214 million for Prince Fielder"
Yeah, I'd say Miggy approved the deal because he knows he could have a truly monster year with Prince hitting behind him - he'll start seeing a lot more fastballs this coming season. V-Mart is a fantastic hitter but he doesn't scare pitchers the way Prince will.

So... for Miggy's viewpoint, it's a nice trade-off, a few more errors at 3B but he'll have a better offensive year.

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37. "RE: 9 years, $214 million for Prince Fielder"
I don't know....the Tigers tried this in 2008 when they signed a bunch of hitters with no D. Where did that get them when they all slumped?

We still have a holes at 3rd, 2nd, and LF.


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38. "RE: 9 years, $214 million for Prince Fielder"
3rd would be filled by Miggy according to the tweets.

And 2008 was a different thing - Maggs hit in front of Miggy while the likes of rapidly-declining Gary Sheffield and Ivan Rodriguez were hitting behind Miggy. By contract, Prince in his prime is going to scare far more pitchers and will do a much better job of protecting Miggy in the order.

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32. "RE: 9 years, $214 million for Prince Fielder"
V-Mart is signed with the Tigers through 2014. Maybe the Tigers think they'll be able to trade V-Mart back to the Red Sox to take over at DH for two years after David Ortiz goes kablooey in 2012 under Bobby Valentine.

I can't see the Tigers putting Cabrera back at third. So I expect that Fielder and Cabrera will fill the DH and 1B slots. That has to mean that V-Mart is a goner when he comes back.

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