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"Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
Polor bears! Asian man! Swan project! Magnetic research! An incident!

What else!

Thought we should start a thread devoted to the Orientation film.

I googled Dharma Initiative and found this( I thought Dharma Drum Mountain looked like it would be related to our hatch). Not much except I thought this was interesting:

http://www.dharmadrum.org/mission/mission.asp

"The Earth Charter Campaign is a global campaign involving individuals and organizations from around the world working together to protect the Earth, our home."

However what I thought was funny that when I Googled there is now a Lost sponsered link on the side bar!



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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... HobbsofMI 10-06-05 1
   RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... Breezy 10-06-05 3
   Hanso Foundation zombiebaby 10-06-05 6
       RE: Hanso Foundation trigirl 10-06-05 8
           RE: Hanso Foundation Lisapooh 10-06-05 12
               RE: Hanso Foundation ladro 10-06-05 13
                   RE: Hanso Foundation blacknwhitedog 10-06-05 14
                       RE: Hanso Foundation Lisapooh 10-06-05 17
           RE: Hanso Foundation rileybean 10-07-05 24
               Link Is Working! zombiebaby 10-07-05 28
                   RE: Link Is Working! Steph_Fan 10-07-05 31
                       Dharma Intiative Website trigirl 10-07-05 33
       RE: Hanso Foundation ihavturtlduvluv 10-06-05 23
   RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... Glow 10-06-05 9
   RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... ladro 10-06-05 11
       RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... Addi 10-06-05 15
           RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... Lisapooh 10-06-05 18
   RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... TeamJoisey 10-07-05 25
 RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... 1derfool 10-06-05 2
   Agree zombiebaby 10-06-05 4
       Definitions moonbaby 10-06-05 5
   RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... ladro 10-06-05 10
       RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... Devious Weasel 10-06-05 16
       RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... PepeLePew13 10-07-05 26
 Summary of Film - and comments trigirl 10-06-05 7
   RE: Summary of Film - and comments Snidget 10-07-05 27
   RE: Summary of Film - and comments realitycoholic 10-07-05 32
 Keep writing!!! wandacal 10-06-05 19
 RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... Tahj 10-06-05 20
   Orientation film music trigirl 10-06-05 22
 Swan Project zombiebaby 10-06-05 21
   RE: Swan Project WaterDrop 10-12-05 43
 RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... sisyphus 10-07-05 29
   RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... Steph_Fan 10-07-05 30
       RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... fabfiveplusone 10-07-05 34
           Good Catch! zombiebaby 10-08-05 35
           RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... weltek 10-11-05 41
 Website zombiebaby 10-09-05 36
   RE: Website fabfiveplusone 10-09-05 37
       RE: Website Steph_Fan 10-09-05 38
       RE: Website sjowiegreen 10-16-05 51
 540 days AugustGirl 10-11-05 39
   RE: 540 days Snidget 10-11-05 40
 RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... blacknwhitedog 10-11-05 42
   RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... QueenV 10-12-05 44
       RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... 1derfool 10-13-05 45
           RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... WaterDrop 10-13-05 46
               RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... Snidget 10-13-05 47
                   RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... Snidget 10-13-05 48
                   RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... WaterDrop 10-13-05 49
                       RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... QueenV 10-13-05 50
                       RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... QueenV 10-18-05 52
   RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... 1derfool 10-30-05 57
 3 of 6 weltek 10-19-05 53
   Good reminders! zombiebaby 10-19-05 54
       RE: Good reminders! TeamJoisey 10-19-05 55
       The Riddle miamicatt 11-14-05 64
 RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... blacknwhitedog 10-19-05 56
   RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... QueenV 11-11-05 58
 Hanso Foundation Update zombiebaby 11-12-05 59
   RE: Hanso Foundation Update zombiebaby 11-12-05 60
       Coooool! moonbaby 11-12-05 61
           RE: Coooool! zombiebaby 11-13-05 62
   RE: Hanso Foundation Update weltek 11-14-05 63
 bigspaceship1 site change WaterDrop 11-16-05 65
   RE: bigspaceship1 site change QueenV 11-17-05 66
 RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... J Slice 11-30-05 67
   RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... TeamJoisey 12-01-05 68
   RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... zombiebaby 12-01-05 69
       RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... J Slice 12-01-05 70
           RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... miamicatt 12-02-05 77
   RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... Das Mole 12-01-05 71
       Hanso "Active Projects" CattyChat 12-01-05 72
           RE: Hanso "Active Projects" Dood66 12-03-05 78
       Mole blacknwhitedog 12-01-05 73
           More mysteries! zombiebaby 12-01-05 74
           RE: Mole weltek 12-01-05 75
           RE: Mole Das Mole 12-01-05 76
 RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... mybighouse 06-26-07 79
   RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... AugustGirl 06-28-07 80
       RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... zombiebaby 06-28-07 81
           RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation F... batts 07-06-07 82

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1. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
I think it was Lockes father who funded it all....If my eyes are right it was him in the window. Can anyone with Tvio or it on tape freeze it to confirm.


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3. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
I didn't get to watch last night, so I'll check it when I watch it on Tivo.

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6. "Hanso Foundation"
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Hobbes! I found this on another message board!

It is a still of the guy. It does look a little like Locke's father!

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/alvarhanso.html


ETA: This sight is fake


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8. "RE: Hanso Foundation"
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Cool find zombie baby!

Look at the projects the foundation supports.
____________________________________

All Rights Reserved
Terms of Use
The Hanso Life-Extension Project
The Hanso Foundation Electromagnetic Research Initiative
The Hanso Quest for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence
The Hanso Mathematical Forecasting Initiative
The Hanso Cryogenics Development Imperative
The Hanso Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute
The Hanso Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility
_____________________________

Did you notice that there is a mouse-over that says "Dharma Institute" under the Remote Training Facility. Link is not active.

When you try and access the links to any of those projects, you get some bogus access denied message. What is cool is the message at the end: Thank you. Namaste. Good Luck.

I always do this in yoga class and didn't know why...

Namaste:
For, Hindu(s), of course, the greeting of choice is "Namaste," the two hands pressed together and held near the heart with the head gently bowed as one says, "Namaste." Thus it is both a spoken greeting and a gesture, a Mantr(a) and a Mudr(a). The prayerful hand position is a Mudr(a) called Anjali, from the root Anj, "to adorn, honor, celebrate or anoint." The hands held in union signify the oneness of an aparently dual cosmos, the bringing together of spirit and matter, or the self meeting the Self. It has been said that the right hand represents the higher nature or that which is divine in us, while the left hand represents the lower, worldly nature.

Man of science, man of faith?

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12. "RE: Hanso Foundation"
you know how Ethan Rom could be rearranged to Other Man? Can you make anythinng out of Alvar Hanso? I suck at that sort of thing, but it seems like such a weird choice unless there was some other meaning to it.
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13. "RE: Hanso Foundation"
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There are no interesting anagrams for Alvar Hanso, at least not in English.

fwiw, "dharma initiative" is anagram for "hint, I'm a radiative"

radiative = something that emits electro magnetic radiation.

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14. "RE: Hanso Foundation"
The "HF" logo looks kind of like a swastika


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17. "RE: Hanso Foundation"
I thought it looked like a puzzle piece.
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24. "RE: Hanso Foundation"
Actually, when I went to the Dharma Initiative link, I was shown the orientation film. Anyone else?
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28. "Link Is Working!"
Good call. It now plays the Orientation Film! When we first found this the link was not working.
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31. "RE: Link Is Working!"
Hmm, it's not working for me. After I click on the information link, I get a bunch of flashing numbers (like the countdown clock) and it says Access Denied. Is there a secret?


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33. "Dharma Intiative Website"
Did you notice the domain extension was .se from Sweden. Has Alvar been moving around Scandanavia?
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23. "RE: Hanso Foundation"
Guys, there is a little link at the bottom of the page that says 'Terms of Use' you click on it and it leads you to Disney. Ya'll went to alot of work to find who created the page, so I thought it funny there was a link cluing us in right there.

(oh, and I'm refering to the Alfonso page btw)

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9. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
That's what I thought too!


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11. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
it looks like Tip O'neil to me.

According to the Bio, Alvar Hanso, lived in Europe, prsumably for most of his life. I'm just not seeing the connection.

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15. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
Looks like Leslie Nielsen to me.
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me too!!!
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25. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"

Leslie Nielsen, the mystery man, and Kevin Tighe.

I can't tell. It could be either one of them, or someone else.


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2. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
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I don't think the site is fake, it's been around since before LOST was a twinkle in anyone's eye. ;)

Geektools http://www.geektools.com/whois.php is a good place to sniff out who's who. I tried it with DHARMADRUM.ORG and got this (some info left out on purpose):
Domain ID: D17004191-LROR
Domain Name: DHARMADRUM.ORG
Created On: 09-Jan-2000 19:13:41 UTC
Last Updated On: 23-Sep-2004 09:31:07 UTC
Expiration Date: 09-Jan-2007 19:13:41 UTC


Registrant Name: Dharma-Drum Mountain Buddhism Foundation
Registrant Organization: Dharma-Drum Mountain Buddhism Foundation
Registrant Street1: 2F,No.388,Sec.7,Chengteh Rd.,Pei-Tou

Registrant City: Taipei
Registrant State/Province: Taiwan
Registrant Postal Code: 112
Registrant Country: CN

Admin Name: Dharma-Drum Mountain Buddhism Foundation
Admin Organization: Dharma-Drum Mountain Buddhism Foundation

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4. "Agree"
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I was not saying that any of the sights were fake, just trying to see what dharma was all about!

But the add on the sidebar shows they know we are looking!


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5. "Definitions"
from Answers.com:
dhar·ma (där'mə, dûr'-)
n.
Hinduism & Buddhism:
The principle or law that orders the universe.
Individual conduct in conformity with this principle.
The essential function or nature of a thing.

Hinduism: Individual obligation with respect to caste, social custom, civil law, and sacred law.

Buddhism:
The body of teachings expounded by the Buddha.
Knowledge of or duty to undertake conduct set forth by the Buddha as a way to enlightenment.
One of the basic, minute elements from which all things are made.
***************

Any bolding above is mine.

So does pushing the button save the world or is this a psychology experiment that appears to have been forgotten by the people who created it?


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10. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
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16. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
I figured it was an inside job.


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26. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"

Interesting. Shakes is now a full-fledged DAW now that he's got an icon here on RTW...



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7. "Summary of Film - and comments"
LAST EDITED ON 10-06-05 AT 11:30 AM (EST)

Film from The Dharma Intitiative

Film # 3 of 6 entitled "Orientation"
Lost episode 3 entitled "Orientation"

Station 3 - The Swan
logo is an octagon - stop sign imagery?

Presentor is an asian man named Dr. Marvin Kandel (sp?)

Dharma Institute was founded in 1970 by Gerald and Karen DeGroot who were PhD candidates at the Univ. of Michigan. Followers of B.F. Skinner. They wanted to develop a large scale comunial compound that studied meterology, psychology, parapsychology, zoology and electromagnetism.
Zoology - polar bears. Parapsychology - Walt. Electromagentism - drawing planes and boats to the island

Funded by utopian, social, cursive (didn't get that word) Danish industrialist and munitions magnate Alvar Hanso.
Does anyone recognize the building that the Danish guy is in. Has a sculpture in front of it. Don't think the Danish industrialist is Locke's dad, but it must be someone we know or will know as his face is obscurred. Munitions magnate...can anyone say magnetic bomb? Maybe that Easter Island theory isn't that far off.

Station 3 is there to study the unique electro magnetic fluctuations that emanate from that part of the island. There was an incident and thus the 108 minute protocol began. Alarm sounds within 4 minute of something.
The numbers - 108 the total of previous number. Repeat of # 4.

Computer should not be used for anything but...
setting up future conflict or mystery?

Film is copywrited by the Hanso Foundation, 1980.
Film was made 10 years after the Institute was created. 108 minute incident happened before 1980 since it was referenced in the film.


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27. "RE: Summary of Film - and comments"
logo is an octagon - stop sign imagery?

It is the bagua in the Later Heaven configuration. Traditionally has the T'ai chi symbol in the middle and the Swan's curved neck matches how that works.

There is thread around here where I talk a bunch about it.

Here is a look at the traditional symbol I think the logo is based on.

It is fairly standard chinese philosophy in graphic form you see it used a lot. Some Feng Shui practioners use it Here is one item with what it is for http://www.luckywonders.com/BaguaYinYang.htm

A fair number of people make jewlery with the Bagua on it, one of the people in my Tai Chi School does them.

So it is a pretty common "logo" in Asia.


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32. "RE: Summary of Film - and comments"
They wanted to develop a large scale comunial compound that studied meterology, psychology, parapsychology, zoology and electromagnetism.
Zoology - polar bears. Parapsychology - Walt. Electromagentism - drawing planes and boats to the island

Don't forget meterology...remember how all of a sudden it would just rain buckets when Locke and Boone were hiking in the island interior?


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LAST EDITED ON 10-06-05 AT 02:19 PM (EST)

This will all be in my "report" next week.

*cue spooky music*

And to add my 2 cents:

The "Orientation" film was dated 1980.

According to the film, wasn't the "experiment" started in the 70's?

ETA: Just read Trigirl's comments.
You're spooky, too!



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If this gets more creepy, I won't get more than 108 minutes of sleep either!

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20. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
LAST EDITED ON 10-06-05 AT 02:53 PM (EST)

After the film started was there music playing which sounded like the theme from the X-Files?


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22. "Orientation film music"
I kind of thought it sounded like bagpipes.
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21. "Swan Project"
Now I have been trying to look for swan references in mythology online. But unfortunately two little kids keep getting in my way!

I don't know if I am barking up the wrong tree by going the Buddhism route, but here is a link about some of the basic teachings. There was not much with a swan either with Buddhism or Hinduism. But that could be that I did not look hard enough

http://online.sfsu.edu/~rone/Buddhism/footsteps.htm

Buddha: The Enlightened or Awakened One. The word 'Bodhi' means to awaken

Dharma: Teachings of the Buddha

Four Noble Truths: The first teachings spoken by the Buddha: the truth of suffering, the cause of suffering, the end of suffering, and the Path leading to the end of suffering.

hungry ghosts: Ghosts that suffer a lot because they are greedy

karma: 'Action' or the law of cause and effect. For every action there is a cause

lotus: The lotus symbolizes the purity of the Buddha. It grows out of mud, yet it is not defiled by it

Noble Eightfold Path: The Buddha's prescription for ending suffering. It is made up of eight parts: right views, right thought, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right concentration.

Of course since I am looking for stuff to relate to Lost you can read anything into any website



I am enjoying the hunt in all this, perhaps more than anything. Props to the creators for trying to use the internet to gain further interest!

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43. "RE: Swan Project"
LAST EDITED ON 10-12-05 AT 08:09 PM (EST)

Following your Buddhism lead, here's information about Dharma. Whether it's relevant or not, I don't know, but there is some information about the "Wheel of Dharma."

About Dharma:
Everyone wants to be happy and no one wants to suffer, but very few people understand the real causes of happiness and suffering. We tend to look for happiness outside ourself, thinking that if we had the right house, the right car, the right job, and the right friends we would be truly happy. We spend almost all our time adjusting the external world, trying to make it conform to our wishes. All our life we have tried to surround ourself with people and things that make us feel comfortable, secure, or stimulated, yet still we have not found pure and lasting happiness.

It is time we sought happiness from a different source. Happiness is a state of mind, so the real source of happiness must lie within the mind, not in external conditions. If our mind is pure and peaceful we shall be happy, regardless of our external circumstances, but if it is impure and unpeaceful we can never be truly happy, no matter how hard we try to change our external conditions. We could change our home or our partner countless times, but until we change our restless, discontented mind we shall never find true happiness.

About the Wheel of Dharma:
Buddha's teachings, which are known as "Dharma", are likened to a wheel that moves from country to country in accordance with changing conditions and people's karmic inclinations. The external forms of presenting Buddhism may change as it meets with different cultures and societies, but its essential authenticity is ensured through the continuation of an unbroken lineage of realized practitioners. Buddha's teachings are said to be like a precious wheel because, wherever they spread, the people in that area have the opportunity to control their minds by putting them into practice.

*ETA*
From this link:
Most Buddhists use a rosary called Jyuzu when they pray. Jyuzu, the 108 beads, is said to represent the number of earthly desires which common mortals have.

and from here:
mala: a string of beads for counting prayers and other spiritual practices (like a rosary). The ideal number of beads is said to be 108, which is the number of different basic types of obscurations and obstacles that need to be removed or purified.

and from here:
(5) Why are there 108 beads in a mala (rosary)?
Answer: According to the Upanishads, a person will breathe 21,600 times a day. It is broken up into two parts, day and night. Therefore, during the day we breathe 10,800 times and at night we breathe 10,800 times. Because it is not practical for us to chant the name of God during every breath, we should chant them at least 108 times. Every time we chant the mantra its fruit is multiplied by 100. Hence, if we say it 108 times it will really equal 10,800.


Now my brain hurts, but I have 30 minutes to work on my thesis before Lost starts.

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29. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
Guys I just found this site, perhaps someone has already mentioned it but I think you should give it a read very interesting...

http://www.bfskinner.org/Operant.asp

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30. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
You beat me to this sisyphus. I have been thinking about Skinner. He was the pioneer of conditioned behavior, a modification of Pavlov's theories (i.e. the salivating dogs). Anyway, this would be the kind of thing Jack was referring to when he asked Desmond if he ever suspected being a part of a big experiment to see if he would keep pushing the button.


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34. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
Confession: Long time lurker, first time poster here.

After seeing the Orientation Film again (though the hidden link), I find the UM research grad students--Gerald and Karen DeGroot--look remarkably like the Bearded Man who kidnapped Walt and the blonde woman who threw the burning bottle onto the raft!

(Hope I haven't wasted anybody's time--I tried to do an extensive search looking for someone else posting that theory)

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35. "Good Catch!"
Glad you de-lurked! Welcome to the boards and I hope you stick around!

I thought that also but wasn't sure. I would not be suprised if those two in the film are somewhere on the island even if they are not the ones on the boat.

But the bearded guy does look the Other that kidnapped Walt.

Maybe TJ will be along to do his side by side picture comparison for us!


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41. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
That's a great observation. Perhaps that's why neither of them is featured speaking in the film...they became part of the island project in a hands on way.

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36. "Website"
LAST EDITED ON 10-09-05 AT 12:26 PM (EST)

Well since the show has aired and when I originally googled "dharma initiative" tons of websites have popped up!

One looks like it could get interesting. Nothing is happening on it yet because it asks for a login and password but maybe as the show progresses it will allow us further looks!

http://thedharmainitiative.org/

Any ideas for logins and passwords?

ETA: http://www.dharmaindustries.com/

This one you have to click on the info line and it takes you to another page where numbers are spinning.


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37. "RE: Website"
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I went to both of the webpages and as I tried to type in passwords (toggling between the two), Mr. Fabfive pointed out that the logos are different--one looks like a swan while the other looks like a snake.

The .org page source has this on it:

border="0" alt="4-8-15-16-23-42"

Also, the font is sort of different on the two "DHARMA"s

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I don't know what this all means (go figure)

>http://thedharmainitiative.org/

>ETA: http://www.dharmaindustries.com/

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38. "RE: Website"
Well, I saw on the Fuselage that the second one is a hoax. I was trying to track down the link, but that place is just so huge, I can't find it anymore.

With thedharmainitiative.org, you can click on the picture and get the orientation movie. So that one stands a better chance of being real, though now that the movie is avilable elsewhere online, maybe not.


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51. "RE: Website"
I think this both websites are fakes,
but that doesn't mean i don't want to find out what is behind the login screen.
So i have made a little Javascript wich checks if an individual word resembles the MD5 hash of the http://thedharmainitiative.org/ website.
you can type in whole pages and the script checks the text word by word.
If the script has found a word that resembles the MD5 hash it wil stop computing and returns the word.
(the javascriptMD5 generator is the same is the generator from the http://thedharmainitiative.org/ website.)
Here is the link (http://www.vanderbie.net/?page=md5) to my script page, feel free to extend it.
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39. "540 days"
In explaining the mission of the people assigned to the Swan station, Dr. Candle said "for the next 540 days".

540 = 5 x 108

540 days is about 18 months. Who else finds it odd that he said 540 days instead of 18 months?

Anyone have any insights into 540? I googled 540 and the results were rather sparse compared to the other numbers (especially 23). I got hits for area code 540 (Virginia), radio stations, and something called Project 540, but nothing earth shattering.


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40. "RE: 540 days"
LAST EDITED ON 10-11-05 AT 03:23 PM (EST)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/500_(number) lists some things:

540 = 2 squared x 3 squared x 5, untouchable number, decagonal number, Harshad number

Harshad number from wikipedia contains this tidbit The word "Harshad" comes from the Sanskrit language and means "great joy

108 comes up with these clasification One hundred eight is an abundant number, a tetranacci number, a Harshad number and a self number. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/108_%28number%29


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42. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
the Dharma swan logo reminds me of the Korean flag


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44. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
Hmmmm....I've been busily playing with these sites as well. Whats odd is when you go to the secure version of hanso foundation https://www.thehansofoundation.org/ it just says "bigspaceship1.com" so if you go there, you get a black screen with morse code in the title bar. I decrypted the morse to read...
"NARVIK FOR LIFE"

Going nuts....
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45. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
Narvik is in Norway, polar bear country? Iron ore - great magnetic properties.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/N/Narvik.asp
> (när´vIk) , city (1995 pop. 18,899), Nordland co., N Norway, an ice-free port on the Ofotfjord
> opposite the Lofoten Islands. It was founded (1887) as the Atlantic port for the Kiruna and
> Gällivare iron mines in Sweden and was known as Victoriahavn until 1898. The city is now a
> tourist center. In World War II, Narvik fell to the Germans when they invaded Norway on
> Apr. 9, 1940. To prevent the Germans from using Narvik as a shipping base for Swedish iron ore,
> a British expeditionary force briefly occupied (May 28-June 9, 1940) the port.


This entry is interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narvik

> In season 2 episode 3 of the popular American TV-series Lost, Narvik's city hall is
> shown for a brief moment . Image of Narvik's city hall can be
> found here: Narvik Rådhus


I don't recall the picture, don't have it taped either so I can verify the statement. If it is true though, then there is some connection between the show and these websites.

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46. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
It's from the orientation film...the part where the narrator talks about utopia. You can see the statue in front of the building, and the building looks the same. It may also be the building that Hanso is standing in, but I'm not positive on that part.


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47. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
The unsecure bigspaceship1.com gets me two polar bears intersecting across the screen with a red dot that appears (but I can't seem to get that to click to anything)

The secure one gives me the morse code bliping by and then a log in screen


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48. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
DNS on the polar bear site looks private.


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49. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
LAST EDITED ON 10-13-05 AT 10:48 AM (EST)

When I translated the morse code in the title of the polar bear one, I got "CHOCOLATE ASCLEPIUS"

According to Wikipedia, Asclepius is the Greek god of medicine and healing.

What's the URL for the secure one?

*ETA* According to posters who have been watching the bigspaceship1.com site at TWoP (the virtual clues thread), the morse code in the title keeps changing, as does the image on the site itself.


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50. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
Well...Iv been busyagain, and heres what I found today:

Tried TheHansofoundation.ORG and looked around. There are several active projects listed, yet all of them are "access dienied" and you are told...

"You do not have permission to access this data. Access to information on this project is restricted to authorized employees of The Hanso Foundation and upper-tier board members of The Hanso Holding Company"

I googled hanso holding compnay and got this...

http://www.seafood.no/Eff/Effcontact.nsf/0/FCA6FF85A7E1D8D7C125687200048945?opendocument
The only link is to a VERY bare website for freezedried foods...MRE's (hmmm.... didnt I just see someone asking about the possiblity of more stashed MRE's?) http://www.drytech.no/index.php?lang=eng

Now off to look for the "hanso public relations department"....LOL

Happy hunting!
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52. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
OMG... Ok so there is a new picture up, just a polar bear and there is a roaring sound and what sounds like whispers in the background.

There is also a new morse code message which really freaked me out.

It says...

"IN GIRUM IMUS NOCTE CONSUMIMUR IGNI"

I found a page in English that deciphers it as a riddle within a riddle...known as "the devil's verse"...<shivers>... Basic translation is... "we go into the circle by night, we are consumed by fire"

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57. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
Do we know yet if Sun or Jin have seen the logo(s)? Possibly Jin might have seen it at the shelter where the Tailies were, but Sun hasn't been into the hatch yet or near it, has she?
The reason I'm asking is that one or both might have some insight into the logos. Once they see them, they might make the connection to the Bagua. Then they could reveal some clues or guess about the meaning ... or more likely knowing this show, they'll freak out and clam up, scared to death.
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53. "3 of 6"
Give me the lime helmet if this has been discussed before, but the orientation film said it was film 3 of 6. That could mean there is an Orientation series 1-6, which was what I assumed, but this one seemed like the logical first piece in a series, not the third.

There could be six hatches & Desmond was in #3.....

And speaking of, what was the riddle Desmond said to Locke when asking him if he was "the one"?

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54. "Good reminders!"
I think we are to assume that there are 6 stations. Each hatch or station or whatever could have a slightly different Dharma logo. The swan for Desmond's hatch and I think Shakes pointed out that the shark had a different logo.

I think we should keep sharp eyes out tonight if they show a logo in the tailaway's hatch. See if it is different.

Also I think someone pointed out that the 6 stations might correspond to the projects that are being studied, ie: zoology or whatever was mentioned in the film.

I think Desomond asked Locke "Are you the snowman?" or something. I will have to go check now!



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55. "RE: Good reminders!"
We did see it last week on the wall of the tailaways hiding hole.

It was not very clear, but certainly different. We've seen three Dharma logos so far.


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64. "The Riddle"
"What did one snowman say to the other?"

The answer: "Do you smell carrots?"

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56. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
according to the TV Guide spoilers

the orientation film has been spliced together by Desmond

he watched the film so many times- it broke in several places and he had to splice it together

they suggested that segments that may hold clues are missing from the film


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58. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
I was poking around the bigspaceship1 site looking for something new and went to www.bigspaceship.com . This appears to be a webmarketing firm who was in charge of keeping LOST "alive" during the summer. If you go there and click the LOST link, you will see the following...

"4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 ... Over the summer we helped spawn more conspiracy theories tha Oliver Stone and Dan Brown-put together..."


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59. "Hanso Foundation Update"
I don't know if this has been found yet. I was checking out the Hanso Foundation website again and clicked on the "Active Projects" link. I then clicked on the "Life Extension" one and where before it stated that "You do not have acess...yada, yada, yada..." there now is a memo or something that comes up!


I am sure someone else has found this.



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60. "RE: Hanso Foundation Update"
LAST EDITED ON 11-12-05 AT 03:09 PM (EST)

I have been checking other sites to see if they have found this memo and have not seen it yet. However on the "Lost" theory board someone posted this fax that they found. I can't figure out from the thread how they found or where so I don't know if it came from the Hanso site. But still pretty interesting and lots of stuff to think about!

Here is the link to the Lost theory board thread where I found this.

http://forums.go.com/abc/oceanic/thread?threadID=662516

ETA: I see now they have found the letter as well and got this second one by clicking a few times on it.

I am wondering if each project will eventually become available in this way.


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61. "Coooool!"
Very interesting items, both of them. Thanks, z-baby!

And from this link http://www.who.int/csr/disease/meningococcal/en/ an abbreviated result of meningococcal disease with bolding being my own:

In as many as 10-15% of the survivors, there are persistent neurological defects including hearing loss, speech disorders, loss of limbs, mental retardation and paralysis.

I wonder if Hanso would be the source of the outbreak-if so what are they doing fooling around with a mutating strain of a disease that effects the brain? Are the people we've seen from the film who are missing limbs survivors of earlier experimentation? Creeeeepy.

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62. "RE: Coooool!"
Paralysis too! Hmmm...could those injections that Desmond takes be what cured Locke and Jack's wife Sarah?


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63. "RE: Hanso Foundation Update"
Also, the fax mentions linguisitc researchers. That may mean more than just people teaching animals to communicate. They may be responsible for the new form of communication the Others are using (reverse talk?).
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65. "bigspaceship1 site change"
http://www.bigspaceship1.com/

Now it's a big band-ish song about extrasensory perception. I don't know if it's a real song or one that's made up for the purposes of the site, but it's an MP3 file (esp.mp3) that will load when you open the page. It's kind of catchy and will now be stuck in my head for the rest of the night.


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66. "RE: bigspaceship1 site change"
I tried the above link, didn't get audio, but when I clicked on the image, it took me to a REALLY ODD site.... http://www.jesusoftheweek.com/

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67. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
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Oooh!

Found something

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/alvarhanso.html

Click on Mr. Hanso's picture.

You'll see.

Plus, there's yet another mysterious letter.


Edit: Damn! It worked the first time...

when you clicked on his picture, you get a black computer screen with a prompt.

<: Hello?
<: Hello?
<: Who is this?
<: Mole.

Don't ask me what it means. I have no idea.

Edit again: Got it to work this time. Let the background finish loading before you click on the picture


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68. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
Would it be cool if Corbin Bernsen was cast as Alvar Hanso, aka The Mole?


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69. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
Cool!

Where is the new letter though?


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70. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
After the computer-screen thing, the letter should load automatically.

Wouldn't let me cut/paste the image, though.


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77. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
This is the best I could do with the fabulous MS Paint and my primitive knowledge of it...



Imperial spirit by Tribephyl. Impressive.

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71. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
"<: Hello?
<: Hello?
<: Who is this?
<: Mole.
"

*Evil grin*

I don't get this whole Alvar Hanso/Dharma Initiative thing. Is it an actual thing, or did they make it up to go along with the show?

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72. "Hanso "Active Projects""
Great link. I checked out the rest of the site and, in particular, the links to the "Active Projects." Only the Life-Extension Project had anything, the rest wouldn't allow access, except to "upper tier" members.

Not only is this the best show on television, but it is so cool how they put these "extras" on the Net for us OBSESSED fans to keep us busy . . . especially when they air a phenomenal episode like last night only to leave us hanging for FOUR weeks. My withdrawal started at 10:02 p.m. last night. Lord, help me.


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78. "RE: Hanso "Active Projects""
Hi, this is my first post here. I have been dinking around the "LOST" websites and blogs and found something else that may interest you all. When you are in the Hanso Foundation website and you get to the "Life Extention" page, click on the last line of the letter. It will take you to a garbled text page with a search box. Type: Copenhagen, then click submit. Look at the date on the memo... recent. Neat huh?

Hope to here more too,

See ya, Rob

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73. "Mole"
Does this mean the person who answered Michael by typing
"Dad?" is not really Walt- but a Mole?


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74. "More mysteries!"
I think so! Where did Sun have to go when she asked Kate to watch Sawyer?

Hmmmm...


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75. "RE: Mole"
LAST EDITED ON 12-01-05 AT 11:31 AM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 12-01-05 AT 11:29 AM (EST)

My theory is that Hanso is training kids to be "moles" of some sort and Walt did not expect to hook up to his dad. This thickens the plot if Walt reunites with the group. Will he be back as regular-ol Walt, or will he be back as a reprogramed mole?

I still think The Others aren't aware of Walt's powers & Walt is secretly using his powers to try & reconnect with his dad & the group.

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76. "RE: Mole"
That would be interesting...who would the mole be, though?

I would love it if it was someone that we knew from the show already...Desmond, or maybe Danielle.

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79. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"

What is the Dharma Initiative?

To answer the question often asked 'What is Dharma'? Dharma is an Indian religious tradition, but it is also a scientific research institute that specializes in more obscure research. Lost has incorporated in the story. Dharma Research website is:

http://www.dharma-research.com/

Dharma made a deal with the makers of Lost to be featured in the story in order to promote their institute.

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80. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
Dharma made a deal with the makers of Lost to be featured in the story in order to promote their institute.

Not that I don't believe you, but what proof do you have of this?


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81. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
If they are going by that link that is one of the original websites set up by the show.

I enjoyed reading this thread again though!



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82. "RE: Dharma Initiative Orientation Film"
>I enjoyed reading this thread again
>though!

Me too.

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