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""23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
OK...so, basically there's one thing in particular in this episode that I really didn't understand, and that made me feel tempted to just change the channel since it was so out there...

I think you all know what I'm talking about...

The black cloud? What the hell? OK, "Lost" was realistic from the start since there was nothing really extraterrestrial or whatever, and you're pretty much expecting the whole show to be about these people...yeah, no. So now they throw in this black swirly cloud of smoke? It seems so out of place, especially in this show, it kinda put me off for a bit.

Anyway...what did everybody else think of it (and of other things in the episode, too)?

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       RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion Das Mole 01-12-06 43
 RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion J Slice 01-12-06 2
 RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion CattyChat 01-12-06 3
   RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion Maroonclown 01-12-06 5
       RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion skeetergirl87 01-12-06 15
 RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion bystander 01-12-06 4
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       RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion bystander 01-12-06 8
 RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion Maroonclown 01-12-06 7
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 RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion Jelohi715 01-12-06 12
   RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion Maroonclown 01-12-06 13
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 RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion skeetergirl87 01-12-06 14
   RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion Maroonclown 01-12-06 16
       RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion dragonflies 01-12-06 28
       RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion mrc 01-12-06 29
           RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion dragonflies 01-12-06 31
           RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion Maroonclown 01-12-06 32
           RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion Jelohi715 01-13-06 70
 RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion blacknwhitedog 01-12-06 17
   RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion Maroonclown 01-12-06 19
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       RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion PepeLePew13 01-12-06 63
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       RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion Maroonclown 01-12-06 24
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1. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
I enjoyed both episodes. The black cloud was bizarre, and turned this show into much more a stretch from reality than it had been.

The whole Sawyer/Kate/Jack thing is starting to really irritate me.

What was the last line that "Walt" typed?

Does Eko think he is Jesus? The whole good vs evil thing, 40 days of silence, etc.


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40. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
I think it was

"You have to come..." (get me?)


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43. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
I'm thinking he was telling Michael to come to some place in particular, hence he leaves...otherwise, I wouldn't think he would leave unless he had some idea where to go...well, maybe he would. :-P

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2. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
I still wanna know what the hell that cloud is.

Nanobots? metal shavings? evil death flies?


I found it to be extremely creepy in appearance, though. If I had seen it slithering through the jungle like Eko had, I'd have peed myself.

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3. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
GREAT ep. I was LOVING the Mr. Eko back story & now just need to know what he was doing in Australia taking a flight to LA. Hmm.

I have a serious love/hate relationship with Lost. I LOVE the show, but HATE how each ep creates more new questions than answers. No, I really love that too .

I need to know what the deal is with the "monster/black cloud." I want to see what the similarities are between Locke & Mr. Eko, as the only two men to NOT FEAR & face the "monster." Does the monster only kill those who fear it or is there another motive?

I thought the whole theme of last night's show was great, the writers are great at what they do.

I don't understand why Michael is so secretive about communicating with Walt on the computer. Why wouldn't he want Locke & Jack & others' help in tracking Walt. Doesn't make sense to me.

Also felt bad for Charlie a little bit. Claire was a little quick in attacking him & booting him from their hut. I was hoping that he was holding onto the statue as a religious icon, because he WAS religious when he was younger. Very disappointed when he went to his "stash." So, is he already using again or did he save them just in case he wants to relapse?

I actually like the Jack/Sawyer/Kate triangle. It's obvious Kate is in love with Sawyer & vice-versa and they do have chemistry, so I'd like to see them together, since I am not on the island . I see Jack & Ana Lucia getting together (unless she goes to jail -- then she'll have to be the next major character death, which is even better).

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5. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
I don't understand why Michael is so secretive about communicating with Walt on the computer. Why wouldn't he want Locke & Jack & others' help in tracking Walt. Doesn't make sense to me.

I was glad to have the recap show because I wasn't sure if Michael stumbled onto speaking with the computer or if he actually knew he wasn't supposed to be using the computer for anything other than entering the code.

He does know he's forbidden from using the computer, hence the secrecy.

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I think he's being secretive because he wants to go after Walt himself, not because he's "forbidden". I don't think that everyone has bought into the Dharma Initiatives' rules about everything, especially Jack, so I think some of them wouldn't mind if he was using it for communication. But, I think he doesn't want them to know that he's been talking to Walt, if it really is Walt. He already lied to Locke about not going after Walt alone and that's the reason why he wanted to learn how to shoot a gun.
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We've seen the Black Cloud before, in the first season. I have to admit, it's kinda disappointing to throw some CGI cloud image into the show. Kinda makes the whole thing lose some appeal, at least to me.


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Was that not the thing Locke wanted to follow down a hole but was held back by Jack?
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I believe so. We saw the black cloud in that episode and then "something" grabbed Locke by the Leg and tried to pull him into the hole.


We've also seen quick shots of the cloud now and then shooting around the jungle.

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7. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
I know there is no way of knowing this but does something weird happen every time the code is entered? Say for instance, Michael entered the code when he was supposed to and that activated the black cloud.

Or when the original keeper of the code entered it, the polar bear showed up.

Does entering the code activate the odd happenings on the Island? And if the code is not entered does that mean, no more polar bears, no more Walt holograms, no more black clouds . . .

Or everyone is just stoned on heroin. How many statues did they have on that plane?

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Or everyone is just stoned on heroin. How many statues did they have on that plane?

I believe Echo's brother told him they had 300 statues when they were in the church. Who knows how many survived the plane crash.

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They call it runoff, my friend.

Got into the water table.

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I was not really feeling the love for this episode. I was so excited to have an Eko episode. His story was pretty good too.

But I have to echo the stretch from not reality cause let's face it this show is anything but, but the stretch from believability.

I thought the cloud-smoke thing was cool. What was it doing to Eko? What were those flashes? Where they reading his thoughts?

But the fact that his plane and brother were there on the island? Unless we figure that the horse Kate saw was in fact the horse that saved her life and Jack saw his father for real. Maybe the "monster" projects their thoughts into reality?

I don't know...I just did not get a big WOW factor from this episode for some rason.


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I want to know why they're not staying in the bunker! Screw camping on the beach, I would totally be sacked out on one of those comfy bunk beds!
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13. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
And be trapped underground? I don't think so.

Of course, moving some of the beds up above should be a plan.

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Exactly what I said to my husband! Regardless of it's underground status, I'd be holed up in that cozy bunk bed and showering daily!


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14. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
I missed some of the episode because I was trying to multi-task by fixing supper at the same time. But, I will have to say that Eko is my new favorite character. I love that he is both good and bad at the same time. And the actor that portrays him is awesome!

I also didn't like the black cloud thing. I kept thinking there was a logical explanation for the "monster", but now there really isn't, which opens the door for just about anything. Why didn't Eko run? We're led to believe that he'd never seen it before, but he seemed to know somehow that if he stood his ground, it wouldn't hurt him. Locke had the same reaction, but he had seen it before and had time to think about it.

So many questions! It will take a whole season just to answer them all!

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16. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
Why didn't Eko run?

23rd Psalm: Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil: For thou art with me;

Can it be this simple?


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28. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
I agree. He has made his peace with his God. But did you catch the misquote? I think it was mentioned on another thresd as well.

"...Yea, though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death..."


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29. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
Maybe I misheard, but didn't he misquote the verse: "Yea, though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death"? May or may not be significant.


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OMH! I missed that. Good catch!

I've said it before - it's a Bizarro world.

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Yeah I noticed that too. Didn't Charlie say it wrong right along with him? Might have been a script error...
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Locke also had a face to face encounter with the "monster" that he never talked about. I wonder if it was similar to Eko's experience. We also saw the black cloud/smoke before when it tried to pull Locke into the ground.

I like the theory that if you mess with the computer it activates the "security system".

Did you notice that "Eko" is "Locke" without the L & C?
DH thinks that is significant.


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19. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
Do we know Eko is spelled E K O. It could be spelled E K C O.

Then we could visit the whole D O G backwards is G O D thing and that would bring Vincent right back into the picture.

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Oh my beloved Vincent. Looking very healthy for no dog food
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21. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
Maybe that's what the stolen children are used for.

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63. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
It's spelled "Mr. Eko" both on the TV guide listings and in the closed captioning.


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18. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
I really loved this episode,,,,,Eko's story was really fascinating but still there are questions.....did eko become a priest or revert to his old lifestyle...was he really a good person pretending to be bad or a bad person....yes he shot the old man but that was to save his brother.....like kill or be killed....

One question I have and maybe those people with tivo/DVR can answer for......when the black was leaving, I am almost sure there was like a human shape within in it (grey)....somewhat like in the movies when you see a soul/spirit leave a body.....did anyone else see this.....and what could it mean....I have my theories but I need corroboration of this first, since it is possible I maybe seeing things....

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You also have to remember that Mr. Eko was going to be taken by the other but killed the two that tried. So that would make him a Good person because the others took only the good people.


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24. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
Ana Lucia killed an Other too, didn't she?

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25. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
Yes but Ana tackeled her....they were not in the process of trying to take Ana.


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27. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
One question I have and maybe those people with tivo/DVR can answer for......when the black was leaving, I am almost sure there was like a human shape within in it (grey)....somewhat like in the movies when you see a soul/spirit leave a body.....did anyone else see this.....and what could it mean....I have my theories but I need corroboration of this first, since it is possible I maybe seeing things....

I thought it was my imagination seeing faces in the black cloud as well, but decided it was the merlot from dinner talking. I thought it might have been a person, like Walt again, but I’d have to watch the recording to be sure.

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33. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
There are screen caps out there that show the people and other images in the black cloud. They all seem to be related to Eko's past.

Let me see if I can find a link...

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34. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
When the camara panned through the black cloud, we thought we saw flashes of people, too. We went back and slow-mo'd it and, yes, there were 5-6 different people (maybe even more) that were flashed. One I think was his brother (grown). Another was the old man he killed. The rest I didn't recognize.

Someone get those screenshots, please!!

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36. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
While I'm thinking about it, if you check the appearance of people/things that are supposed to be impossible you get:

Jack's dad decked out in black
Walt is dressed in black
Kate's black horse

Could these all be manifestations of the black cloud? Could it be trying to communicate??

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35. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
Not your imagination. On whatever I was watching this morning (CNN Entertainment piece, I think) they showed it. It's pictures of all the significant events of Eko's past.
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37. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
I missed the images in the clouds but someone at work said that they saw them.

I find this interesting given the theme of the show last night. I've read that some people with near death experiences have their life flash before them. I dunno...just a thought.


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41. "Vid Caps"
looks like images of Eko's past

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x10/


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46. "Poodles!"
I looked hard during the smoke scene to see if I could see anything...but it just looked like black standard poodles. Perhaps they are Vincent's dream dates?


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47. "ha, ha"
yeah some are fuzzy but some are really clear


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48. "RE: ha, ha"
But there was also a shot from Eko's POV that showed an awful lot more because you could see directly down the smoke's "throat".

Anyone have that shot?

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51. "RE: ha, ha"
Did you go to the link above? If so, did you see the pic you are talking about? There are lots of pics there and it would be hard to pull the one you are talking about with the description you give.
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A human body shape off to the left? It happened so fast! I must go check that vidcap link! COOOOOL STUFF!

I think the crucifix one is where I realized something was in there.

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67. "RE: I think I saw what sisyphus saw"
My nephew Tivo'ed the episode and went back through it frame by frame. (Terrible week for my DVR to croak, damn it.)

He saw images of people, and to him, it looked like a number of the people that had been shown as part of Eko's story.


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68. "RE: I think I saw what sisyphus saw"
I so need a DVR/TIVO....


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22. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
And the episode brings us back to questions about the island's location. It seems the drug plane really did take off from Nigeria (eastern Africa). How could it get to the south Pacific?
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26. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
It was refilled by a KC-135 tanker....


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30. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
I'm only claiming slight disappointment with the cloud, as I'm not discounting a semi-logical scientific explanation just yet.

We had Danielle tell us of the black smoke when she kidnapped little Aaron. It's baaaaack.

I'm eager to see the interactions between Locke & Eko in future eps. Do we have enough for factions to start splitting between Locke & Jack? I was wondering how it could split before, with Locke having few complete supporters. Now, I can see him & Eko leading a small group.

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38. "I got a chuckle...."
....when Charlie asked Echo what he was gonna do if he didn't climb the tree.

Semi-Quote: "What are you going to do if I don't climb the tree?, beat me with your Jesus stick? And I find it funny that your Jesus stick has dried blood on it"

That was some great comic relief!

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39. "RE: I got a chuckle...."
Yeah, I LOL, too! I hope Charlie & Hurley don't kick off anytime soon or we'll be left without comic relief!

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42. "RE: I got a chuckle...."
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Looks like Hurley might have the hots for that blonde tailey. Can't remember her name.

Would it be inappropriate for me to refer to her as the blonde tail piece?

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44. "RE: I got a chuckle...."
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Libby!

I really hope they make her more involved in the show...she's on the ABC website as one of the main characters, yet somehow I feel like we know more about Bernard and Rose than her, and they're not even listed =\ But apparently Hurley ends up having feelings for her in the next episode, and Sawyer tells him to say something to her?

ETA: I'm really hoping we find out what happened to Cindy (the flight attendant that went missing as they climbed up the "cliff" in the jungle)...I'm guessing it would be safe to assume that the Others took her, but I don't know...I really liked her, I wish she wouldn't have gone missing.

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49. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
I'm back in bed with my nanobot theory now.

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50. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
I think it is safe to assume some sort of nanobot technology.

Makes me wonder though…nanobots would be ridiculously advanced technology, so were they there from the beginning, or added to the island at some other time? If there from the beginning, then why the ancient-looking computer equipment in the bunker? Just a façade of older technology when they actually had access to some next-level #####?



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53. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
I haven't seen all of the episodes, but I think they're really trying to take science & religion and synthesize them... there was a line at one point last night where... oh, dude... the old freaky guy who was paralyzed but isn't anymore? He was talking to Jack, and he said something like, "That's why you and I don't see eye to eye. You're a thinker." When Jack pressed him on how that made them different, the guy said that he was more spiritually oriented or something...

Anyway... I don't know if they're going to tie it up in a neat little package for us... In a sense, I think the show's producers are trying to concentrate life... take its mysteries and make them as profoundly transcendent and as deeply terrifying as they probably would be if we really paid attention.


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56. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
Locke describes Jack as a man of science. He describes himself as a man of faith.
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58. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
Thanks for clarifying!

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57. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"

Season one dvd. Get it. Then come back and post something new or useful.

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59. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
Thanks, Hoser.

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60. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"

Think your wife-to-be would like it? Might make a nice wedding present from Ryan.
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61. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
So... now that you're going to have a son, does that mean you'll still send Christmas letters from your dog(s)? Or does the kid pull rank?

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I think that would be a fine wedding present. She was pretty hooked when I was over at her house last night, though she's scoffed at it in the past.
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62. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"

Still from Jordan most likely. Wouldn't want the kid to grow up, realize I was using his name, and sue me or something...
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52. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"

Loved the ep.!! One of my favorites. Eko rocks. It seemed clear to me through the flashbacks that he always had a good/spiritual streak, but did what he had to do to survive. Obviously, he had no problems killing what he judged to be scum…but after slitting the throats of the drug dudes, he looked upon the kid bystander with such mercy in his eyes. The actor is wonderful at communicating his ‘lines’ non-verbally.

After the plane left, I think he jumped at the opportunity to leave the tough-guy life behind. The army would spread the word that the infamous Mr. Eko was gone/dead…and he could start over.

I also liked the moment when Charlie joined in with the 23rd Psalm reciting. Made you think “maybe he really is carrying the statue for spiritual reasons”…then they show him stacking it on a dozen others and you’re left scratching your head. Added depth to Charlie though, which I liked.

The whole brother/plane being on the island is freaky, but I’m not surprised by seemingly impossible coincidences anymore…

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54. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
I also liked the moment when Charlie joined in with the 23rd Psalm reciting. Made you think “maybe he really is carrying the statue for spiritual reasons”…then they show him stacking it on a dozen others and you’re left scratching your head. Added depth to Charlie though, which I liked.

I could be wrong, but I think that was a moment of temptation... in the face of being accused & rejected by Claire, would he take solace in the arms of his other heroin(e)? He resisted it for the moment, but didn't destroy it... perhaps symbolic of so many temptations we all have in life that we can say no to in the moment, but hold onto the idea that one day we'll go back to them.

Has anyone noticed how phenomenal the music is on Lost? I walked away from my TV, and was in the other room, and was still on the edge of my seat... even though I had no idea what was going on for ten minutes or so.

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55. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"

it was two separate instances. the first was at the sight of the plane burning. i thot charlie (the former addict fyi) might break down into tears at the sight of all that H going up in smoke. then he starts reciting the psalm with eko (the large dark-skinned man fyi). made me think twice about why he was carrying the statue around...a memento of his abstention AND a spiritual symbol?

then they confuse the heck outta the sitiation with that bit and all the stashed figurines...

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71. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
How dumb would it be to start using again just to run out? Could be useful as anesthetic for the Doc to have around...
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72. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"

That’s why I was rather taken aback by his reaction to the burning plane. IF he was using again (or planning on it), you’d think he would have been horrified to see Eko light the plane on fire. On the bright side, there isn’t anything conclusive showing him using again…so there’s hope.


Maybe he’s saving it in case he is the last one alive and needs some imaginary friends…


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65. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
Cool ep. I too watched the slo-mo version of the smoke at home (much to my DH's annoyance). Clearly saw the church steeple, Eko's bro, the man he shot, crucifixtion and a young woman who we have yet to meet, but must figure prominently in Eko's life. I thought the smoke was some kinda manifestation of Eko's conscience or emotions. The fact that Charlie saw it too freaked me out.

Remember the direction the actor who plays Locke got when it was his scene with the monster\smoke? He was directed to act as if 'the monter' was the most beautiful thing he has ever seen. Does this suggest a positive effect or a hypnotic effect?

Liked the interaction between Charlie and Eko. Charlie is quick to blame his brother for his problems yet Eko has a different relationship with his brother. We've got the daddy issues with Jack, Locke and Kate...now the brother ones with Chalie and Eko.


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66. "RE: "23rd Psalm" Episode Discussion"
I thought the smoke was some kinda manifestation of Eko's conscience or emotions. The fact that Charlie saw it too freaked me out.

But Charlie may not have seen it the same way the Eko did. I assume Eko saw all of the elements that have been picked out in the vidcaps, but Charlie may have only seen the "scary" black smoke. He may have even seen his own set of visions, thus leading him to recite the 23rd Psalm with Eko and building on this internal struggle that is building within him, pitting his religious beliefs against his drug habit.


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69. "Black Smoke"
....and some of you thought I was crazy when I saw faces in the smoke last time. See Post

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73. "RE: Black Smoke"
I saw it Trigirl. The eyes and nose are VERY apparent when you put the picture in 'Effect Browser' and lower intensity. I'm glad someone here sees some of these things besides me. I've started telling myself I'm just seeing illusions, though, so, I havent reported a lot of stuff I keep seeing over and over. I'm just wondering when my 'Orangutang' is going to show up in an episode.
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