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"Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
This one is gonna get interesting. An interracial couple from Texas and a lesbian couple from Arizona are involved. Let's chat it up!
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 RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 trudy 02-09-05 1
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Beachmusicgal51 02-09-05 30
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Jillie04 02-09-05 42
       RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Paris_1 02-10-05 119
 Hello? Echo... PhoenixMons 02-09-05 2
   RE: Hello? Echo... volsfan 02-09-05 3
 17 minutes PhoenixMons 02-09-05 4
   RE: 17 minutes volsfan 02-09-05 5
 STEP BACK! volsfan 02-09-05 6
   RE: STEP BACK! volsfan 02-09-05 7
       RE: STEP BACK! puglover 02-09-05 37
   RE: STEP BACK! FireAndIce 02-09-05 8
       RE: STEP BACK! volsfan 02-09-05 9
           RE: STEP BACK! Lisapooh 02-09-05 13
               RE: STEP BACK! volsfan 02-09-05 15
               RE: STEP BACK! straightmom 02-09-05 33
           RE: STEP BACK! PhoenixMons 02-09-05 45
               RE: STEP BACK! amea_gari 02-10-05 57
           RE: STEP BACK!- Ranting and raving klk 02-10-05 94
               RE: STEP BACK!- Ranting and raving trudy 02-10-05 97
                   RE: STEP BACK!- Ranting and raving klk 02-10-05 98
                       Don't make it personal Bebo 02-10-05 100
                           RE: ok klk 02-10-05 101
                               Clarification Bebo 02-10-05 111
               RE: STEP BACK!- Ranting and raving chill4me 03-03-05 151
                   WARNING Bebo 03-03-05 152
       RE: STEP BACK! trudy 02-09-05 11
           RE: STEP BACK! volsfan 02-09-05 14
               RE: STEP BACK! trudy 02-10-05 55
                   RE: STEP BACK! amea_gari 02-10-05 59
                   RE: STEP BACK! volsfan 02-10-05 79
                       RE: STEP BACK! trudy 02-10-05 93
                   RE: STEP BACK! klk 02-10-05 99
                   RE: STEP BACK! MorbidFemme88 09-17-05 153
           RE: STEP BACK! Lisapooh 02-09-05 20
               RE: STEP BACK! brvnkrz 02-10-05 80
               RE: STEP BACK! FireAndIce 02-10-05 84
       RE: STEP BACK! puglover 02-09-05 40
           RE: STEP BACK! txmickeymouse 02-22-05 150
   RE: STEP BACK! FireAndIce 02-09-05 16
       RE: STEP BACK! volsfan 02-09-05 17
 RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Lisapooh 02-09-05 10
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 volsfan 02-09-05 12
       RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 FireAndIce 02-09-05 18
           RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 volsfan 02-09-05 19
           RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 puglover 02-09-05 41
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 mcredbelly 02-09-05 27
       RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 volsfan 02-09-05 28
           RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 mcredbelly 02-09-05 31
 Traditional? FireAndIce 02-09-05 21
   RE: Traditional? Lisapooh 02-09-05 22
       RE: Traditional? volsfan 02-09-05 23
   RE: Traditional? enixela 02-09-05 26
       RE: Traditional? Beachmusicgal51 02-09-05 36
 RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 true 02-09-05 24
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 volsfan 02-09-05 25
       RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 puglover 02-09-05 29
           RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 volsfan 02-09-05 32
           RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Jillie04 02-09-05 34
           RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Lisapooh 02-09-05 35
               RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Jillie04 02-09-05 38
                   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 puglover 02-09-05 48
           RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 straightmom 02-09-05 46
               RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 puglover 02-09-05 50
               RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 zuca 02-10-05 71
           RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 teddysgirl 02-11-05 133
           RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Sister Cate 02-12-05 140
       RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 true 02-09-05 39
           RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Jillie04 02-09-05 43
               psst...JillieO4 true 02-09-05 49
           PVL forever, true!! Lisapooh 02-09-05 44
               RE: PVL forever, true!! true 02-09-05 47
                   RE: PVL forever, true!! Lisapooh 02-09-05 53
           RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 puglover 02-09-05 52
           RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 vlygrlaz 02-10-05 122
 RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 goodspirit 02-09-05 51
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 puglover 02-09-05 54
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Magdalene2 02-10-05 56
       RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 ratched 02-10-05 60
       RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Cherilyn 02-10-05 63
 RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 ThankyouGodforgivingmeabrain 02-10-05 58
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 bigmOuthBeotch 02-10-05 62
 RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 misshappydo 02-10-05 61
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 RangeRover 02-10-05 64
 Wife Swap wife a diamond? ThankyouGodforgivingmeabrain 02-10-05 65
   RE: Wife Swap wife a diamond? anglwing 02-10-05 67
 RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 twinmom2k 02-10-05 66
 RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Bebo 02-10-05 68
 RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Kathielee74 02-10-05 69
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 enixela 02-10-05 72
       RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Kathielee74 02-10-05 75
           RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 puglover 02-10-05 106
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 ARnutz 02-10-05 73
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 zuca 02-10-05 74
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 angela 02-10-05 76
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Loxie3 02-10-05 96
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 vlygrlaz 02-10-05 124
 RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Elaine0 02-10-05 70
 WELCOME! volsfan 02-10-05 77
   RE: WELCOME! FireAndIce 02-10-05 88
       RE: WELCOME! volsfan 02-10-05 89
           RE: WELCOME! FireAndIce 02-11-05 132
 RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 brvnkrz 02-10-05 78
   WOO and HOO! volsfan 02-10-05 81
       RE: WOO and HOO! brvnkrz 02-10-05 85
           RE: WOO and HOO! volsfan 02-10-05 87
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 TaylorJ 02-10-05 82
       RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 volsfan 02-10-05 83
           RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 TaylorJ 02-10-05 92
               RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 volsfan 02-10-05 95
                   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 TaylorJ 02-10-05 110
                       Not the appropriate place to discus... Bebo 02-10-05 112
                           RE: Not the appropriate place to di... TennesseeFriend 02-10-05 130
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 sisyphus 02-10-05 86
 RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 txmomma26 02-10-05 90
 RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Estee 02-10-05 91
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Roppa 02-10-05 102
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Canon 02-10-05 103
       RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 puglover 02-10-05 107
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 RangeRover 02-10-05 104
       RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Roppa 02-10-05 105
           RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 puglover 02-10-05 109
               RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 2goobas 02-10-05 114
       RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Kathielee74 02-10-05 108
           RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 goodspirit 02-10-05 115
       Disagree AyaK 02-10-05 113
           RE: Disagree luvbeinadem 02-10-05 116
           RE: Disagree RangeRover 02-10-05 126
               But... AyaK 02-11-05 134
                   RE: But... RangeRover 02-12-05 138
               question soloms 02-11-05 135
               RE: Disagree goodspirit 02-12-05 137
                   Flaw in logic Bebo 02-12-05 139
 RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 goodspirit 02-10-05 117
 RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 redbird5495 02-10-05 118
 And she's also an author! What can ... soloms 02-10-05 120
   Here's a decription of Gillespie's ... soloms 02-10-05 121
       RE: Here's a decription of Gillespi... redbird5495 02-10-05 125
   RE: And she's also an author! What ... goodspirit 02-10-05 128
 RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 redbird5495 02-10-05 123
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Roppa 02-10-05 127
 RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 goodspirit 02-10-05 129
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Unbalanced 02-11-05 131
       RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 realtyamazed 02-11-05 136
 RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Twofeathrz 02-14-05 141
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 teddiebear03 02-14-05 142
       RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 enixela 02-16-05 143
           RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Bebo 02-17-05 144
 RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Loree 02-17-05 145
   RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 volsfan 02-17-05 146
       RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 enixela 02-19-05 147
           RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 enixela 02-19-05 148
           RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05 Loree 02-19-05 149

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trudy 171 desperate attention whore postings
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02-09-05, 10:14 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Oh my heck, the sparks are gonna fly! Of course, the paper plates will be the reason why!
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30. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Hi,I agree that sparks are gonna fly too,and well they should!
I am so dosgusted at what I saw tonight,and let me say first off that I am a straight,southern Baptist female and I have a gay stepdaughter that I love dearly.LOVE..not condemn. I could not believe that gal from Texas...she was more like a "Stepford Wives" automon..no show of true emotion,hiding behind her June
Cleaver dress and prissy over the top manners....I personally think she is overcompensating for something she feels inferior
or low self-esteemed about.Does she represent the God I personally worship? HECK NO!! My God is a loving ,just,God,He
tells us to love each other and leave the judgeing to HIm...thats what i plan to do with my time here on this earth..
I believe God created us all,and I will leave the judgement in His hands,and I sure wouldn't hurt anyone the way Texas uh,lady(?) did the gay couple. Thanks for letting me vent,
Peggy
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02-09-05, 11:43 PM (EST)
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42. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
LAST EDITED ON 02-09-05 AT 11:44 PM (EST)

FIRST OFF!!! Ummm TRADITIONAL HOUSEHOLD?!?! You stupid B**** an inter-racial marriage is NOT considered "traditional!" 30 Years ago she would not have been able to marry her husband...dumb, ignorant b****. I HATE YOU AND I HOPE YOU READ THIS!! You have offend thousands of people. And your argruements!!! THEY WERE NON-EXSISTANT!!!! You were milicious and cruel. You knew you were hurting that woman and you derived pleasure outta it!!! YOU INSENSATIVE b****!!! If i were that one woman you woulda been kicked outta my house faster the i could get my foot up your a**. And since when is being gay considered being a sexual preditor!?!?!?! YOU ARE STUPID!!! And i hope your husband isnt a political figure because you just ruined any support he had. F*** you and you ingnorance B****!!!!!!!

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119. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Wow, my words exactly.... She was the most ignorant, self-centered b**** I have ever encountered and she'll hopefully go straight to hell where she belongs. NEver have a I felt so sorry for one person, as I did.... I can't believe she intentionally hurt her feelings and saw she was crying and upset and sat with a smirk on her face. To say she was a sexual preditor because she's gay is like telling a hetrosexual (who ONLY likes men) that they are a sexual predator and might pick up on a 14 year old boy. This was pure sick and that lady needs to maybe take some couselling classes and learn about the real world. She's bringing three interracial children up, that will encounter some hate in life and, although I'll feel for her children, the MOTHER will dererve it and see how cruel and misjudging people can be. What a C*** with a capitol C
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02-09-05, 10:15 PM (EST)
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2. "Hello? Echo..."
Where is everybody???? This one sure is going to be interesting! I'm so glad they've finally done a same-sex couple on Wife Swap! And YAY, they're from Arizona

I feel for the kids in the Gillespe house! Yikes! A 16-year old who isn't allowed to watch anything above PG? That's just asking for serious rebellion!

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02-09-05, 10:18 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Hello? Echo..."
This one could bring some out of the wood work.

I gotta wait and see how this one plays out.

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4. "17 minutes"
until we first heard gay=promiscuous. That was about 16 minutes longer than I expected. *sigh*



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5. "RE: 17 minutes"
Oh good gawd! The Texas dad was telling his son how to layer the cucumbers on a salad...it is all about presentation! Hell, this sounds just like my gay friends.
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6. "STEP BACK!"
I am about to blow! And not in a good way

The Texas mom is really going over the top on this one!

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7. "RE: STEP BACK!"
The Texas mom is gettin on my nerves with her excellent way of doing things.
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37. "RE: STEP BACK!"
OH MY GOD, if she had said 'excellent' one more time i was going to find a way to jump into the tv and rip her throat out
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8. "RE: STEP BACK!"
LAST EDITED ON 02-09-05 AT 10:37 PM (EST)

Yes she is. I could not believe when she told the other "mom" to shut up and that she needed to learn to keep her mouth shut.
She has a very nasty attitude and thinks her way is the only way.

How can she tell someone how something is to be done properly when she has everything done for her?

It's people like her that make me happy not to live in Texas anymore.

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9. "RE: STEP BACK!"
And she told the woman to pretend to not be gay and that no one would treat her differently. Is she acting like she isn't black?
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13. "RE: STEP BACK!"
I don't understand how a woman who has certainly faced her fair share of prejudice as she must have faced as a conservative woman in a biracial marriage could treat anyone that way.

This woman has me sooooo angry.

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15. "RE: STEP BACK!"
me too but Trudy thinks differently.
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33. "RE: STEP BACK!"
I cannot BELIEVE this woman would be so heartless as to call someone a SEXUAL PREDITOR just because of who she co habits with, be it a man OR a woman. I am straight, open minded, VERY MUCH a Christian myself, but even God says "Judge ye NOT, lest ye be judged". I am SO disappointed in this Texan who is nothing but a stumbling block for people who are searching for what is right and what is wrong. The gay LADY was VERY nice and tried really hard to keep peace and bring goodness and laughter into that household. I hope she reads this message board because so far I have read nothing but favor in her behalf. The "Christian" person NEEDS to re-evaluate her "Holier Than Thou" attitude. I ALSO am sooooo angry!!!!
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45. "RE: STEP BACK!"
Believe me I'm not taking up for that evil wench in any way, but I'm pretty sure what she was getting at was not that Nicki or Chris should pretend not to be gay, but that physically, they were capable of 'blending in', which wasn't so for African Americans. It sounded like she was saying 'you could pretend to be gay' because there is no phenotype that distinguishes someone as 'gay' or 'straight'.

I can't stick up for that point-of-view - she obviously has her head up her a$$ and the "example" is pretty meaningless when it comes from an ignorant, bigoted, psuedo-Christian, but I did not get the impression that she was telling her to pretend not to be gay (at least not when she uttered those words).

I didn't catch the sexual predator part (I had to install a program on the computer), but she had me fuming with her rude and ignorant comments toward the Arizona family. And then when she went home and was trying to get her kids to say how 'weird' the other mom was? She needs to take a good look at herself and realize that she is not representing her so-called Christian beliefs very well.


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02-10-05, 01:02 AM (EST)
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57. "RE: STEP BACK!"
" Believe me I'm not taking up for that evil wench in any way, but I'm pretty sure what she was getting at was not that Nicki or Chris should pretend not to be gay, but that physically, they were capable of 'blending in', which wasn't so for African Americans. It sounded like she was saying 'you could pretend to be gay' because there is no phenotype that distinguishes someone as 'gay' or 'straight'."

That is also what I understood her to be saying, that being gay is not comparable to the prejudice one receives when one is black.

Also, I didn't hear Chris call anyone a sexual predator. I did hear culry-haired gay mom say that Chris called them sexual predators...But I'm not sure she did. I think what she said was 'perverted, sexually deviant, depraved," things like that. But, heck, if I were on the receiving end of accusations like that, I wouldn't distinguish between 'sexual predator' and 'depraved' either.

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94. "RE: STEP BACK!- Ranting and raving"
*MY profuse apologies as a heterosexual to all Gays out there*


And the fact that whilst writing this I am so mad I am spitting over the keyboard and will probably fall victim to ranting's.
Really, I am about to blow a anerysm here.
bear with me I simply have to play the devil advocate...
Some people obviously take a lot of things for granted.

- I can not believe this woman, she is disgusting and offends me to the core.
The frogs flying out of that mouth...

Didn't they ever read about what god thinks about advertising your faith.?
The husband seems to be more reasonable but then again HE IS married to her.
I come from a country were it is not only LEGAL for gays to MARRY but we also have plentiful of homosexuals in the Christian community.
Following gods word is about being fair honest and humble,
accepting to what you do not understand and forgiving, I am so tired of all these morons living by the exact written word of the bible. It IS The context not the composition!

The american church is sadly lagging behind the rest of the western DEVELOPED world.
remember, blacks were not allowed in a white church not too long ago.
How easy it is to forget that feeling, isn't it, Chris?
we too did not accept all the above about 70 YEARS AGO.
(The only way for the church to keep their stronghold is to develop with the times, it seems like this dear population here haven't realised that)

I am heterosexual and married, with 3 priests and a old archbishop (my grandfather)in the family and I am safe in my own faith and shall say 'thou who cast the first stone...'

MRs F**** PUERTO RICO should go back to her island of cookitoos because In a lot of people eyes, she IS the ultimate sinner.
She IS black!!!
some even would call her husband a Nlover.
I wonder how she she feels when that is rammed down in her throat.
Do not misunderstand me, I do not wish her any bodily harm or anybody else for that matter, but persecuting a person for their sexuality is as Heinous as being chased down FOR COLOR OR RELIGION .
Mind you, she open her self up for insults as she herself cast them around freely. and I am sure, many people will come forward to her, -or one can only hope......

SEXUAL predator BHA!!!!

Take a look at them catholic priests responsible for a generation of shattered lives.Just because priests are 'closer to god by rejecting their human bodily functions',( a notion very outdated and rejected in most society's) go ahead keep destroying innocent children to avoid the fact that christianty always have been loused with closet fags. there is approx. 120 Million Christians backing me up.
I have a priest shagging men anyday if it means that 1 child can grow up as he was intended to, wholesome, healthy and SAFE.

I just can't get over how judgemental she is and somehow I am sure that abc had this exactly in mind when putting these couples together, but lo and behold, they seem to be educated people ?, how CAN she be judging like that?
(I am sure she have had to endure a lot of nonsense for this biracial thing.)

I had issues with america's internal workings before but this really sickens me.

Mrs Chris Gillespie, be warned, If I ever have the misfortune to run in to you, I shall proudly spit you in the face and call you for what you are.

A spade is a spade and You have it coming baby.
Show me intolerance and I show YOU INTOLERANCE.

I wish you all the misfortune coming your way for being such a bigot.

try this on for measure:
As a White, White woman I could say this, HOW DARE YOU MARRY ONE OF MY RACE? you will burn in hell for that , and you morally handicapped husband will.
STICK TO THE NUMEROUS PEOPLE OF YOUR OWN RACE.
-god knows they are plenty and in all shapes and colors, but I guess that IS the true issue Isn't it? you cant stand that you are black and there simply wasn't a enough 'whitified' P.Ricans.

And I can't even begin to grasp the diamond concept..
These people is using religion as a excuse for supremacy.
And I still can't get over the fact that they seem to totally ignore them masses of White 'Righteous' people of Texas and what THEY think of their union.( I myself would start to worry about my familys safety here..?)

For everyone out there taking offense, black or not. I am not a rascict, I am european and am sick of this white paranoia in this country,and having to clarify something so obvious, any other nation takes pride in their people and that is how it always will be, it is not my fault that usa looks like it does today, but I tell you what, it's not about race, it is about cultural difference's and standards, there are too many cultures in this country and therefore a lot of tension.
If you need to call me a rascsist because the truth is too hurtful , so be it, it does not change the truth of the message.
-she insisting on pissing me off, kind of allows me to come down on her with plattitudes and wrath.
SHE IS OBVIOUSLY NOT HOLDING BACK

I spit on you, I spit on your silverware and your naked, dead house and I hope your day to day life shall be interrupted with nuances and your children will be exposed to normal peoples reaction to your bigotry so they can learn HOW WRONG YOU are.
I pity them.
That should keep on reminding you what it means to have a humble heart and truly live like a Christian.
Man can be evil and right now your face is on it.

You Harlot, STEP BACK.
Me and my grandfather is going to stand by the gates of heaven and make sure you don't even get in line.
And meanwhile, I will put a curse on you, stupid wannabe-white trash, money will never buy you class and good graces, just big vulgar diamonds,
My God, as you seem to want to think is yours too,also preaches a eye for an eye.
The bible was written a long time ago, it does not mention anything of biracial unions. and if your life is destroyed by a hailstorm of rocks from above, you will know why.
And trust me, I will be praying for it now.

No,you daft, there is no hidden kkk agenda in this posting,hate just breeds hate, and I am nothing more or less than a human, and when others do not comply with our soceity's standards of respect and humility, I do unleash.
My old home has the largest immigration numbers in the world, we are extremly advanced in social stucture and do not treat anybody differently, gays or blacks.
We are rich as a nation and believe in sharing our good fortunes
equally.
I have never been forced to think about black an white in my life as much as it is in my face here.

Oh, yes, while on the subject.
In many european languages, referring to a person as "black' is VERY offensive, wereas, colored is simply refering to them as the word black in english would be used.
therefore , many forengiers automatically hesitate to use the word black rather than colored.But then again, many african americans are so vigilant about declaring themsleves the eternal victim that they do not know, there is another, whole lot more advanced society's out there.
-were blacks go about their business like anyone else would.
Remember Klu Klux Klan is a american invention......


People like you are repulsive. You do not fit in to my soceity,
NOT because your color but because of your beliefs.
We all choose how we want to be, I choose not to be a bigot.
Make DAMN sure next time not to bring the bible to the table , You WILL NOT speak for me,and you WILL NOT speak for my religion
You high and mighty charlatan.
The higher you are, the further you will fall.
All bad luck for you.
Kerstin

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97. "RE: STEP BACK!- Ranting and raving"
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So is that supposed to open the doors of perception for us all?

What?

ETA sorry Bebo

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98. "RE: STEP BACK!- Ranting and raving"
No, not really aspiring to any of that, just REALY hope the woman in question would read it..
and I realize reading the other postings, I might have mixed up the names.
aaah, I see, you mean the rascist thing, is it paranoia popping out?
frankly, I could read in some irritation adressed to me from you, and I genuinly do not give a damn.
I detest that woman and just gave a example on how people could/would choose to concieve her like.
I am safe in my beliefs.

Besides, I do not believe in pointing fingers unless you are ready to get a couple of them back/
with that, love and peace
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100. "Don't make it personal"
Just a friendly reminder, our community guidelines expressly forbid bashing other posters. You are certainly free to discuss opposing opinions, but address your comments to the opinion, not to the other poster personally.
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101. "RE: ok"
Yes of course you are right, my profound apologies, I am so fired up still after yesterdays show and I normally don't watch this kind of tv and I normally do not post my opinons,
But this lady stripped me of any sense or discretion, my posting was mainly adressed to her, if she ever get to see it, She made it very personal on the tv, therefore I feel It justified to go after her in the poorest lowest fashion. I have naturally no hostility to anyone here, lest you be a gillespie with inmaculate tablesettings.
As you see in my posting I am obviously struggling with my feelings.
I do not want to be disrespectful but also do not see any need to save this lady from what some would consider , she deserves.
Besides, she was insanely disrespectful to me. MY Person.
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111. "Clarification"
I was posting as a moderator on this forum. Let me clarify where I was coming from with my reminder:

- Bashing contestants on reality shows is definitely accepted behavior on these forums.

- Bashing other posters on these forums is not.

I posted my reminder because some of the posts were bordering on getting personal about other people posting on the forums.

And if anyone posts anything on these forums that is insulting or disrespectful of another poster, there is one and only one appropriate course of behavior. Click on the Alert tab at the bottom of the post to let a moderator handle the issue. Any other course of action is a violation of the community guidelines.

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151. "RE: STEP BACK!- Ranting and raving"
klk,

you're a typical bigoted caucasian who preaches alot crap about not being prejudice, but the moment a black or other race person pisses you off you resort to racist name calling.

you're no better than she is. i could spit on the both of you. her for somehow thinking that marrying a white man and being a republican makes her better than anyone else, and you for thinking that racist comments are appropriate just because someone else is ignorant. I find that most white folks are like you, that's why you are not trusted and considered the devil in some people's eyes.

It's funny that you bring her race into the equation when in reality she thinks like a typical Republican!

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152. "WARNING"
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Bashing other posters is completely unacceptable on these forums. There is an edit button in the bottom right corner of your post, and if you wish to continue posting on these forums, you will use that edit button to remove the attack on another poster.

Bashing contestants is allowed - bashing other posters is never allowed. If that's the sort of behavior you wish to engage in, then you'll need to find another message board, because you will not be permitted to do so here.

Edited to add a link to our community guidelines - I strongly advise you to read these.

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11. "RE: STEP BACK!"
I'm not sure I see what the Texas mom has done that is so bad. So she told Nicki to shut up. Well, Nicki was shouting over her and wouldn't let her finish a single sentence, I would have told her to shut up too. So she asked the kid to help around the house, big deal, I didn't see any real problem with that. Took the tv out of a little kids room, how mean can you get??
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14. "RE: STEP BACK!"
*rolls eyes*
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55. "RE: STEP BACK!"
Well Vols, you can roll your eyes, no problems there. I posted that comment before the showdown at the end of the show during the rule change segment.

I didn't like what I saw her do at the end either and I thought the lesbian mom was very eloquent and conveyed her points well.

But I believe in the little cat fight with Nicki Texas mom was just trying to make the point that she would never be able to blend in by not appearing black but that Nicki at least had a choice about whether or not she wanted to publicly announce her sexual preference. I know this conversation seemed to set a lot of people off but I believe that's because the Texas mom just didn't get the opportunity to finish her thought before the other woman started shouting her down and derailing it. As far as I could tell Nicki was originally the intolerant and overbearing and uncooperative one.


The Texas dad went to the dance lesson and danced with another man, the Texas mom went to a so-called "gay" restaurant. I didn't see either of them preaching while they were there. I didn't see either of the Texans making the women go to a club and dance with men or try to force a "straight" temporary lifestyle on them.

I'm pretty sure I'll get flamed here for feeling that everyone has a right to an opinion about what they see. Intolerance is harmful, that's what I took away from this episode. No matter what side of an issue you stand on.

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59. "RE: STEP BACK!"
Chances are you may get flamed. But I'll stand up and say I agree with you, and your points were well-stated.
I wouldn't be quite so soft on Chris, though. She was rude and had the wrong attitude for a supposed Christian. God doesn't condone hostility towards anyone, even 'sinners', and she freely admitted that when she was in the gay restaurant, she was filled with hostility. And the rampant materialism wasn't terribly Christian either, but now I'm starting to judge, so I'll stop there.
I do think she was doing a fine job of raising her kids. Gay-mom said they were good kids. Well, they didn't get that way by accident. And the idea that if you don't let your kid do whatever they want (IE watch r-rated movies) that they'll rebel is just a tired old excuse.
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79. "RE: STEP BACK!"
Trudy,

I didn't take the fight between Nicki and THAT woman the same way you did. I don't know if you are gay or straight and it doesn't matter however me being a gay male...I get very defensive about stuff like that. Many Christians believe that I can be healed of my homosexuality and when she suggested to "act not gay"...that really got under my skin. Also, Nicki took it the same way I did because she came back with a "why would I act like something I am not".

The Texas mom talked in a confessional about having strange feelings being in the restaurant with the "depraved" people.

From the very beginning of the show the Texas mom was talking about how she did everything excellent and perfect...an immediate turnoff for me. So, I prolly had a prejudgement that gave me a sick stomach.

I won't flame you...I like discussing these things like intelligent human beings we are! We all have different opinions and I like to hear others.

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93. "RE: STEP BACK!"
I totally understand why you became defensive and I don't blame you one bit. What was beginning to disturb me was the many comments people were making about doing the Texas mom physical harm. There are a lot of things to call her - a pompous, self righteous, hypocritical, self involved pain in the ***. She was all of those things - and more. That's no reason for the rest of us to act just like her and worse, that's all.

We can all be outraged by her behavior but hopefully that anger won't reduce the rest of us to foaming at the mouth and ranting like savages, cause we're all better than that. Right?

They put people like her in situations like this deliberately to set off the general population. It's our responsibility to correct things we see in our own lives that mirror the behavior that we don't like seeing on TV. That's how things get changed, not by "kicking XXX's a**" but by listening and learning.

Over and out

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99. "RE: STEP BACK!"
I believe you have valid opinions but must say that what was the biggest issue was how she condemmed the whole lifestyle in front of that little girl, that IS her life.
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153. "RE: STEP BACK!"
"As far as I could tell Nicki was originally the intolerant and overbearing and uncooperative one."

Yes...as far as YOU could tell. Being a lesbian, I have experienced a few times of intolerance and bigotry so sometimes, you do have to go into defense mode. I'm sorry but I wouldn't have let that woman walk all over me in my own house. Plus, if Chris had such a big problem with lesbians and gays...she should have left the first day.

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20. "RE: STEP BACK!"
Speaking only for myself - it's not the rule changes that made me so angry. Those are completely inconsequential (and potentially positive as far as getting the tv out of the room and making the 8 year old do chores). What makes me positively furious about this woman is her perversion of Christian values to promote what is basically a very judgmental, shallow and hollow lifestyle. She is an incredibly angry person with no genuine emotions - nothing sincere ever seems to shine through. Uless it's sincere disgust or sincere revulsion for a lifestyle that isn't parallel to her own. She's a person who presents a completely fake and implasuible show on for other people in order to 1) make them feel inferior 2)make herself feel superior She generates and perpetuates an ideal no one can aspire to. She doesn't have the perfect life - she has a shell with a lot of pretty things.

It's ridiculous to not work and sit in a million dollar home and criticize 2- or 1-parent households where everyone has to work.

Her jewelry, pasted on fake smile, overdone gestures of warmth and hospitality are incredibly transparent.

Nothing about those elaborate, ornate family dinners suggest warmth or genuine exchange to me. They suggest showy pretention and elitism at its country-fried worst.

She's a bully and a snob and a bitch.

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80. "RE: STEP BACK!"
This is just PART of the reason that I worship Poho.

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Extremely well said.
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40. "RE: STEP BACK!"
Hey, I live in Texas - Austin though, which is a little different than the rest of it, granted - and i haven't felt this violent towards someone in a long time - that type of ignorance doesn't belong in my state - or the world for that matter.
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150. "RE: STEP BACK!"
New to this , so bare with me.....
I, too, am from Texas and would like to say that not everyone from here is like that. I am a lesbian with two children and thanks to my mother, I was raised as an open minded person just as I will raise my own. The Gillespie family is a political family in Asutin and am sure they were none to happy about the interracial thing. From my point of view, he sat back and let his wife do all the talking so he would still look politically correct. She would not have the lifestyle she has now had it not been for marring into a white, political, Texas family! She was wrong in the things she said to intentionally hurt the Arizona family and if I lived in the same neighborhood as her, MY children would not be alowed to associate with such a bigotted family.

As a Texan, my apologies go out to all those that now have a jaded view us. As a Lesbian, I commend the Arizona family for putting them selves out there and having to endure such blatent hatetred to our society that was coming from someone who should understand equality!

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16. "RE: STEP BACK!"
I really can't believe how angry and hostile she is. I am so happy I do not have to deal with people like that.

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and I hope I never do!
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10. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
AS a Texan, as a Christian, as a mother and as a human being - let me apologize for this hypocritical, patronizing, angry, judgmental, shallow, close-minded, pretentious, controlling, out-of-touch with reality, prejudiced, worthless piece of doo.

I cannot watch her any more. I had to leave the room.


I do think she's right about closely monitoring the quality and content of what your young children are watching. But other than that - everything I could possibly say about her and her Stepford faux perfection is almost as unChristian as the venom that she spews.

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You don't have to apologize! I agree with you on monitoring what your children are doing/watching though.

I want to kick Texas mom's ass really bad!

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>I want to kick Texas mom's
>ass really bad!


I was hoping that the other woman would do it.

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Yeah I was too but I it doesn't look like she is going to and someone is going to have to!
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Weren't we all....
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27. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
I agree with you completely! As a Christian, a mother, and a Texan too I am ashamed to have a person like that in our faith! I wanted to jump into the television and strangle her! I may not agree with a lesbian lifestyle, but I don't believe that it is our place to judge anyone. Then for her to throw the race card in almost made me vomit! Many people used to believe that inter-racial marriages were just as bad as gays. How would she feel if someone belittled her the way she did the lesbian couple.

The only solice I have for that woman is that someday, she to will be judge.

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28. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Many people used to believe that inter-racial marriages were just as bad as gays

So, it is ok to have interracial marriages now but gays are doomed to hell?

You don't have to answer the question...I know the answer! This whole situation is just sad...so very sad

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31. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
It is sad. I hope the Texas woman realized just how hypocritical she was being. Her husband said that their Pastor would be ashamed to see anyone in his congregation treat people with disrespect. I hope that Pastor will call on that family and let that woman know she has shamed his church!
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21. "Traditional?"
Her family is anything but traditional, in the traditional sense of things.

To call a woman a sexual predator because of her lifestyle is just absolutely insane.

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22. "RE: Traditional?"
I can't beleive she said that either. I left the room, but I got a semi-re-cap.

I told myself I wasn't gonna post on this thread because I'd get too obnoxious.

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23. "RE: Traditional?"
Well this show got me more upset than I thought. I am trying to bite my tongue tonight and let me get some rest and think about things before posting in depth tomorrow.
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26. "RE: Traditional?"
I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said already, but watching that show was so painful! I couldn't believe how bigoted and sanctimonious the Christian mom was. To equate financial advantages with *Excellence* and then preach such hatred and bigotry under the guise of "Christianity" just makes me sick. Shame on her.

My one consolation was that Chris the not-bigot was so eloquent and real in the final conversation that only the most ignorant and cruel person couldn't be moved by what she said and how she said it. What a wonderful person she is! What an example of tolerance.

To Chris the bigot, I say: God hates bigotry: support gay marriage.

And to think: just such bigotry helped Bush get reelected, despite torture, a misguided war, cuts in social services, etc. Makes me feel hot shame for this country.

This post was brought to you by the word "bigot" -- I know I repeat it endlessly here, but there it was, right in front of our faces.

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36. "RE: Traditional?"
Very well said,and I agree!!Peggy
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24. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Wow. Just wow. I don't really know what to say. I'm still in shock, and feeling really sad. Wow.
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25. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
I think the sad part is that the Texas family (ie. the mother) didn't learn anything from the experience. The ending was sad for those children.
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29. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Never knew this site existed - just searched it out because that episode of wife swap - which i rarely watch the show - was so upsetting to me that i was screaming at the tv. And i hope that somehow, some way, this post will find its way to the eyes of that HORRIBLE,EVIL,IGNORANT COW OF A WOMAN. I think we all know who i am referring to. I have never disliked (hated) anyone on tv more (or maybe anyone in general) - i was shaking mad. Seriously - the bible says that marriage is between a man and a woman - well the bible said that slavery was great too! what does she think about that??? I can't believe at the end when she was really showing her true (disgusting) self that her husband didn't throw down divorce papers right there! I thought the swap had affected him more - apparently he can't think for himself. I am disgusted, appalled, saddened. That woman is a perfect example of why our society is evolving so slowly. She should be in jail just for being worthless. Now, I feel better
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32. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Yeah the Texas husband was a wuss in not standing up! I agree with everthing you say.
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34. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!! Me and my partner watched the show together and you took the words outta my mouth! It is people like you that will make our world evolve period, puglover! THANK YOU AGAIN!
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35. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
welcome puglover and all the other new peeps! I had a feeling this episode would have people joining the boards!

hope y'all stick around and contribute on this and the other show boards. We have a lot of opinions and a lot of fun too.

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38. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
omg im so angry i have steam coming outta my ears!!! IVE NEVER CURSED AT THE TV SO MUCH!!! I dont know how that arizona mom refrained from kicking that texas B***** a**!!!
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48. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
My dogs were scared of me I was yelling so loud :0)p
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46. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
YES!! The Texas husband SHOULD have stood up for the gay lady when his wife was bashing her so badly. Instead he put his arm around her. NOT the kind of man I hope to find someday. I have had enough MICE in my life and he is certainly a mouse. How in the world could he let her shame that poor lady who NEVER pushed her personal lifestyle on those poor sheltered, deprived children. I just joined this site in order to put in my two cents worth on this one. I love the show, but I almost wish I hadn't seen this one because I am enraged at that Texan who SHOULD know, being in a mixed marriage, that it is not comforting to be judged. She should take her thumb out of her rear end and get with the program.
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50. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Hehe! I'm glad someone else joined just because of this episode - I tried to go to ABC's site and find someplace to vent and couldn't, so I ended up here.
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71. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
She should take
>her thumb out of her
>rear end and get with
>the program.

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Hmmm, if she did this...she would do it with "excellence."

Found this program very hard to watch. Couldn't understand how somebody could treat another human being this way. Her bigotry and sense of superiority were offensive, and it just squeezed my heart to see how indifferent the Texas mom was to the suffering she was causing to the Arizona Mom. The only sincere human being--not a cardboard barbie was the Arizona Mom. And the only Lady present was also in Arizona. Her sincerity, her heart and her soul shone through--in fact--the only Christian values of wanting to do good came from her also.

I live in Texas, a single mother of five, Hispanic, so I suppose I would also be repugnant to the Texan Mom. Still don't understand or can fathom what she means by traditional. I guess anything that doesn't fall into her narrow view. But I work long hours to support my children and I supposed that is "repugnant." I just want to be sure that I don't stumble into their church. Because a church that teaches what this woman is an example of--I don't want to be near its radar. People like the Texan Mom that hide their hate and bigotry behind a church and bible are scary.

To the mother of Arizona--to the couple filled with love in Arizona--if you read this board, I'm so sorry, I'm just so sorry. My heart cried for you yesterday. You are loving human beings and it shone through. Bless you. YOU brought A LOT to their table. You brought love. Compassion. Tolerance. AND EXCELLENCE.

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133. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Thanks for that Puglover! I hope this woman learns something after seeing the show. I loved the woman Kristine that she switched with and really felt for her at the end when she was crying addn just so hurt.

Hats off to your name - as a mom to two pugs myself!

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140. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
I'm in the exact boat as you Pug! I was shaking with anger (still am) and yup searched out a site too! Never, never have I seen such ignorance, evil, meanness. And did you get a kick when Ms Excellence switched into Ms. Street Chick with her lectures? What a complete and utter phony. Horrible, horrible woman. Kudos to Gay Chris for her classiness in spite of it all. Frankly if Excellence Kris truly felt that the gay lifestyle was so morally wrong and that her daughter was in some sort of danger whatsoever - wouldn't you think she'd march her sanctimonious butt back to the airport and home to her children pronto??? Forget about any network rules - it's your core beliefs, right? And it's your children! I'm the oldest of seven and my mom would have fought with Satan himself if it meant protecting one of us. Cruel, evil, ignorant, hateful, destructive. Phony. Embarrassment. There just isn't enough words is there?
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39. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
I'm still stunned by that woman. I don't know that I've ever been more disturbed by someones words. I know she isn't representative of what a Christian person is, but honestly, it is people like her that keep me away from organized religion.

I sincerely hope that her pastor has a talk with her, and tries to set her straight. (no pun intended. ) She is an embarassment to her faith, and to her family. I feel so sorry for her children, and the grief they will likely face due to her behavior.

The pain on the other mom's face during the final confrontation was powerful. I can't imagine the way she must have felt, to be attacked in such a vicious manner. I'm afraid I would have jumped over that table and decked her. Her husband is obviously under her complete control. He should have stopped her.

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43. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
FIRST OFF!!! Ummm TRADITIONAL HOUSEHOLD?!?! You stupid B**** an inter-racial marriage is NOT considered "traditional!" 30 Years ago she would not have been able to marry her husband...dumb, ignorant b****. I HATE YOU AND I HOPE YOU READ THIS!! You have offend thousands of people. And your argruements!!! THEY WERE NON-EXSISTANT!!!! You were milicious and cruel. You knew you were hurting that woman and you derived pleasure outta it!!! YOU INSENSATIVE b****!!! If i were that one woman you woulda been kicked outta my house faster the i could get my foot up your a**. And since when is being gay considered being a sexual preditor!?!?!?! YOU ARE STUPID!!! And i hope your husband isnt a political figure because you just ruined any support he had. F*** you and you ingnorance B****!!!!!!!
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49. "psst...JillieO4"
You have every right to be angry, but it's really not necessary to copy and paste the same post in multiple locations. The moderators here frown on that kinda stuff.

Welcome to the forum.

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44. "PVL forever, true!!"
I know what you mean hon - she is just....*boggle*.

She's a disgrace - I'm still all riled up and I didn't even see most of the confrontation because that bitch had my veins a-poppin.

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47. "RE: PVL forever, true!!"
My anger hasn't even had time to set in yet, I'm too busy boohooing. I was so disturbed, I think I'll have to go through the stages of grief to get over it. I may even need counciling, and I'm neither religious or gay.

Pooh, if you ever see that woman, please, please, tell her what for, ok?


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53. "RE: PVL forever, true!!"
come on true, you know they don't let white trash unwed mothers like myself into those million dollar gated communities.

They don't wantwhores like me skanking up all that perfection!

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52. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
That type of woman (and she is sadly not alone) is what steers so many away from organized religion. Being a minority who has been persecuted in the past - she should know better - that kind of blatant and blind ignorance sickens me. Ok, on that note, I am out. I am going to go watch Ice Age to cheer myself up :0)p
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122. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
True, very well said!

But I doubt that her pastor will say anything to her,
if they tithe the ten percent that they should, I bet her
pastor will tell her anything she wants to hear.

She is an embarrassment to "real" Christians. She is the
reason many people will shun Christianity. Christ would not
have treated anyone like that. What makes her think she is
so superior. I think she really has alot of issues of her own and is a very unhappy person.

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51. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Hi. I purposely searched for a message board where I could reply to this particular episode of Wife Swap. I love this show, and rarely miss it.

I am so angry about tonites show. How dare that "Christian" woman look down her nose at the two women who's house she "invaded" with her "republican" anti'gay beliefs. I felt so sorry for the woman who did the swap (I'm embarrassed that I can't remember her name) when she insinuated that she was a threat to her children. I get so upset when people claim to be "Christian" but miss the whole point of what Jesus was trying to teach everyone. Do you think Jesus would sit at that table and say the things that woman did? I accept that everyone has their own beliefs, but my goodness, what happened to "do unto others"? If you want to quote things! I personally am not Christian by faith, however I do believe that Jesus was a wonderful teacher who taught with love and compassion.

Another interesting point of the show I noticed was that woman was black and her husband was white! Holy moly I grew up in the 60's! Has she forgotten from whenst she came? (is whenst a word? LOL)

I felt so sorry for that poor girl being accused of giving that other women's children "gay cooties", I nearly cried along with her. And then to hear her ask her kids when she got home "how was that woman?" THAT woman!? I think the two women from AZ should send them the colors of gay flag!

Granted the one woman DID need to be a wee less bossy to her partner. I think her partner learned a lesson, at least I hope so, and the little girl DID need a little more "structure", but I never would ever believe a child would be endangered by being brought up in a gay household. What about all the international children who are being raised by "caucasion" couples? Are they endangered? Of course, growing up in a household that may be "unique" needs special care and love for the kids, but ya know, it's usually less of a big deal for the kids than it is the adults who DON'T live in the household. Heck I can remember being looked down upon by other kids parents because my mom was divorced and raising me by herself, and also because of the area of town we lived in, AND because we lived in an apartment above a bar! Boy those were the easy days!

Do these women read any of these message boards? I wonder. Well if this nice Texas woman who proudly boasted and flaunted her republican values, to me, she came across as defining republincan as having the "r" in republican stand for "rich" "rude" and "ridiculous".

And as far as the Texas woman (I'm so sorry, I am so bad with names! LOL Can't remember my own somedays) was arguing with the mom from AZ while they were sitting on the couch, and she told her to "shut up", then she should read what you all have posted at the top of the page quoted by Roger Ebert! I like that quote. I may use it if I ever need it. Also, were they doing all that hollering infront of the little girl?

Whew,boy am I fumed! I really hope they read these boards, and I'm glad I found this boards. Nice to meet all of you. I just love this Wife Swap show. You sure do see some interesting characters on there don't you?

Again, nice to meet you all, and here's wishing you all a good spirit. My friends call me TK.

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54. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
LAST EDITED ON 02-09-05 AT 11:58 PM (EST)

I think whenst is a word, and if it isn't, it should be - i like it

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56. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Well said, TK. I,too, searched for a website where I could vent. Have never been in a chat before. This is interesting. I was hoping to find a way to convey my shock and disbelief directly to the producer and on to Ms. Gillespie herself. Having read the comments here I believe the onslaught of rage and disgust from across the country will descend upon her very very quickly. Still, I wish I could relay it to her directly. And I want also to be able to represent myself as an African
American Christian middle class mother and apologize to the gay couple for the venom spewing from that possessed idiot.

Where in Texas was she from?

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60. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
First time poster. I just had to find a board to vent about this one.

The woman who proclaimed to be a Christian sure will sell her kids out for her 15 minutes, won't she? I mean if I realized my children were in the company, for 2 weeks no less, of a person I thought was a possible "predator" and that I was staying in a household I considered "depraved", show or no show, I would have turned around the minute I realized that and beat a path home. I wouldn't "protect" my children from the horrors of R rated movies and then feed them to a "depraved predator" so I could have an hour on TV.

And the husband needs to grow a set, huh?

Geez, what a piece of work.. I mean, a "more excellant" piece of work.

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63. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
I too have never been in a chat before, but had to find some place to vent. Ms Gillespie should be ashamed of herself. Though a arrogant, self-righteous person such as herself is much too busy finding fault with others to look at the moat in her own eye. For her to call herself a Christian is a joke. Who I really feel sorry for though is her children. It is one thing to protect your children, but when children are brought up in an ivory tower where the real world can't enter, a child never has the chance to learn how to deal with it. Then when they become adults and venture forth into the real world, it hits them like a brick. With Ms. Gillespies attitude and bigotry her children are in for a big shock and a lot of hurt. I know of what I speak as I grew up in such a tower.
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58. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Thank you Mrs. Gillespie! Because of you I'll keep my two bedroom rundown house, my flawed,toothless husband, my two beautiful, biracial, open minded, fun loving, tolerant, well adjusted, hard working, children. Newsflash, they never did chores in my messy house but still managed to learn the meaning of excellence.
Her husband compared her to a diamond. How sad. A diamond is flawless,cold, hard and over valued. As for me...I'd rather be compared to the "MAN" that they so fervently say they follow. Now that would be the most excellent compliment of all. To be more Christ like dear God I pray.
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62. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
I would love to have the chance to be sitting there in that seat. Were they to shocked to respond!!!! If not that is restraint to the extreme. I was so mad I jumped up and looked for abc"s email address. I think it is awful they set them up for a hard fall. They knew this phony bologna B$#@% was going to vocalize her comments. She sure better not vocalize to much. Texas has some mean lesbian woman that will put a hurtin on her rear end. I hate it that she included the church and bible in her preachings. The church and God I know doesnt like condemning others. So stick that in your bi-racial marriage, judgemental, ignorant, lacking of a thesaurus butt. Perfectly excellent parenting yeah right. Wait til they all taste reality then she will have rebelion at its maximum.
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61. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
I am assuming that this show had to be some sort of set up to get viewers blood burning. I cannot believe that anyone would really act like "that woman" (to use her own words). If this was not a set up then I must say that she is using her Baptist Bible thumping ignorant theories to overcompesate for her obvious lack of formal learning. All I can say is she must give good head to get the life she got. I hope they both get exactly what they deserve for their poor judgment and character. I guess she hasn't been in Texas long, cause around her, they'll never find the body. Ignorance ignorance ignorance. I really thought that when they showed the follow up show she would comment on how foolish she acted before, but low and behold, no such revelation. It is a shame she has distributed her ignorance and flawed DNA among the children that will take her place.
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64. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
If there is one thing we have learned from these reality shows there is rarely an epiphany. And in this case it was not suprising.

Christian mom is a woman who is so consumed with repressed anger and rage that she believes that her Christian life and Perfect life will somehow compensate for the anger that rules her soul. Not one word of her mouth was fact based - only rage based nonsense. Hypocritical, judgemental and contradictory she has no concept of reality except the one that exists in her narrow narrow mind.

I always find it odd that religious people are the ones least Christian. They actually PRAY for money and she covets material possessions with glee... a direct contradiction to the value of Christian ethic and the 10 Commandments.

There is nothing to like about this woman, there is no redemption for her. Which is appropriate because she only believes redemption is for Christ and his followers of which she is clearly NOT.

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65. "Wife Swap wife a diamond?"
The Gillespie husband compared his wife to a diamond at the end of the show and she melted. To me a diamond is a flawless, cold, hard, rock that is over valued in our materialistic world.
A most excellent comparison would have been that she was 'Christ like' in her thoughts, words and actions. Something that was sadly lacking, even as she held hands and prayed for the one she condescendingly labled a sexual predator. Please God I pray that she and all the people like her in this world, don't go to the same place as me when I leave it. That truly would be Hell.
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67. "RE: Wife Swap wife a diamond?"
hi all! I too am a first timer on the message boards and like everyone else here I am furious! Sad but true this kind of hate, bigotry, and small, shallow minds do exist and most do fall under the bible umbrella always using it as a protective shield like Conan used his sword! I'm thinking it's time to expose this kind of hate, I just got done emailing John Stossel over at 20/20
(you can find his email on the abc site just click 20/20 and scroll down)
I believe this kind of ignorance is not isolated to this particular household but i would like to see a story done to a wider audience exposing this woman and her church and their hypocrital belief pattern. African Americans had the great Martin Luther King to open shallow, bigotted minds, It's time the homosexual communtiy finds a voice (not a celebrity spokesperson) but a true voice to stop people like this in their tracks or at least make them voice their opinions to a coat in their closet.
let's get together and write 20/20 and get this hate out to a wider audience and then maybe we here on these message boards can make a small difference.
thanks for letting me get on my soapbox!
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66. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Like so many others here I also was looking for a place to vent last night when I found this site.
I agree with all the comments made here about the so called "Christian" woman. I also noticed that she never said she loved her husband nor did he say he loved her. She just kept saying how much she loved being a Gallespi(I think that was the last name) and he just compared her to a diamond.

It just shows me more about the fake life that family lives. If anyone finds out a place we can all email her at please post it as I know there are many of us who would love to give her a piece of our mind personally.

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68. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Just popping in to welcome the new posters here and thank everyone for being able to talk to each other about such a "hot button" topic in such a civil manner.

I locked the other threads that started on the show so that discussion would be focused here - this is such a lively one already that I'd hate for other folks to miss out.

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69. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
This will be hard to believe but....my name is Nicki...yes the Nicki from this show...anyhow...

We as a family want to say a giant THANK YOU!!!!! To everyone, who posted such wonderful things about our experience. We found this board strictly from curiosity. We really wondered what America thought, and we are floored. We never expected such kindness.

Best wishes for a wonderful, happy, fulfilled, and blessed life to everyone here!

Love from Arizona!

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72. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Wow Nicki!
I guess you can get a sense about how upset we all are about the way your family was treated by that bigoted, ignorant woman. I knew there were sanctimonios prigs out there, but I had no idea just how insufferable they could be. But I have so many questions! Did the show accurately represent Chris and your experience? Were things left out that might help us understand what happened better? Did you really have to put up a Republican sign infront of your house (makes me wish Chris had put up a rainbow flag outside that ridiculous mansion in TX). Was the TX husband really such a wuss at the final meeting?

Chris sure is a great catch -- you are very lucky to have found such a wonderful woman.

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75. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
>Wow Nicki!
>I guess you can get a
>sense about how upset we
>all are about the way
>your family was treated by
>that bigoted, ignorant woman.
>I knew there were sanctimonios
>prigs out there, but I
>had no idea just how
>insufferable they could be.
>But I have so many
>questions! Did the show
>accurately represent Chris and your
>experience? Were things left
>out that might help us
>understand what happened better?
>Did you really have to
>put up a Republican sign
>infront of your house (makes
>me wish Chris had put
>up a rainbow flag outside
>that ridiculous mansion in TX).
> Was the TX husband
>really such a wuss at
>the final meeting?
>
>Chris sure is a great catch
>-- you are very lucky
>to have found such a
>wonderful woman.

Yes, Kristine is a wonderful joy in my life...

I think the show pretty accurately showed our experience of course some things WERE edited...Such as...I may not (at least before the show) mow the grass or take care of the lawn, but I DO all the cooking (and more than microwave meals, although we do eat them), all the cleaning inside except the living room/kitchen floor, all the laundry, etc.

and I WAS controlling, however I was able to actually LEARN something from the experience and change my ways...

On last clarification....I was not crying over Kris Gillespie, but rather the fact I had gone to my shed and discovered that after a rainstorm the day before, my Christmas ornament box and been exposed to the rain and the ornaments were all destroyed!

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106. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Nicki, i am so happy that you found this forum - I think it makes us all feel a lot better that at least someone from the show is hearing our words (although I know we are all hoping that Mrs. Gillespie is secretly reading too). I just had to tell you - I was a crazed woman when, the one i have named the worthless cow, was telling you how to plant in the yard - i was SCREAMING at the tv - trying to direct you to take that shovel in your hand and knock her head off. You were much more reserved than i would have been. But I have to consider that your daughter was present AND you were on national tv - so, probably good that you were there and not me ;0)p
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73. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Welcome Nicki! (and welcome to all of the others who are new to the boards!)

I agree with a lot of the things that others have said here.

Your daughter is adorable and precious! You have a wonderful family that is happy and that's all that matters!

That other mom was just wrong and rude and very UN-Christian!

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74. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Well, bless you, Nicki.

I'm sending you a hug. You brought a lot to my table.

You showed me tolerance and compassion. Thank you.

Zuca -- from Texas

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76. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
I was wondering if you would be reading! I just have to say that she was psychotic. I came to this board lat night to vent... and couldn't log in until this morning, so I wrote about it in my diary instead.

How DARE she! All I can say is that I'm sure you have more people than these on the board on your side...

If you are going to be a vile, venemous b**** on national tv, maybe you should think about the power of the WWW. A 3 minute google search finds amazing things ;o)

You were both great, and I think you're doing a wonderful job with your daughter too. (((hugs)))

Angela

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96. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Hi Nicki!
Just want to thank your family for having the ovaries to do this. I did write to ABC thanking them for representing our families in a way other than to be laughed at, (ie: Will and Grace). I also suggested to them that we would know we really arrived when they would "swap" lesbian or gay spouses, as there is as much diversity between us as any hetero couple. We all parent and partner in different ways regardless of who we love.
Thanks again to all of you. We could tell that Kris had a very positive effect on the 3 children. You all did a fantastic job holding your own in a very difficult situation.
Peace,
Diane
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124. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
I am so glad that you found this site and are reading what everyone is saying.

I have never posted here before, but felt the need after watching the show.

That Texas woman is a small person. She is a hypocrite, a money monger and evil.

I wish your family the very best. I hope that the Texas she-devil is reading the posts here too. Maybe she will realize what a terrible person everyone seems to think she is.

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70. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
It's true that this witch does not represent all conservatives, all Christians or any other group she is a part of, but sadly there are many people in our country that would agree with her beliefs.

I get so sickened when people use God and religion to support their hate against other human beings. How can someone be so hateful against people they don't even know? This woman's mind was closed the entire time and she never made any attempt to understand someone who was different than herself. Has she never experiened any discrimination herself? Most of us have in one way or another.

But I am relieved to know that so many of you here were outraged by the show. It gives me hope that just maybe someday things will change.

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77. "WELCOME!"
Welcome to all the newbies! This is a great community and we have loads of fun discussing shows. Please stay with us and add your comments.

I love it when new peeps/ideas come on board!

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88. "RE: WELCOME!"
Thank you (not sure if you were directing it towards me, but I will accept it).
I really meant to introduce myself before I started posting, but the Texas mom had me really going.

So here goes...
Hi everyone. My name is Pamela. I am 43 and recently moved from Texas to Alabama, on my way back to Tennessee eventually.
My hobbies are: Playing with fire & skating on thin ice. ;)

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89. "RE: WELCOME!"
Great! I am in TN now. I live in Knoxville. What part of TN do you want to end up?
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132. "RE: WELCOME!"
We lived in Murfreesboro a few years ago. I want to go to the Nashville area since there is a club(TSC)there that we really like to go to.
We moved back to Texas so I could take a mgr position for my old company. That worked great for a while, but when you get 17 phone calls from work on your day off, that is a little much. It got to where I was working 15 hrs a day 6 days a week. Employees were either stealing or just not show up for work...No call, No show. I would fire them and the GM would listen to their sob story and hire them back. Talk about being stressed out. I lost so much weight and began having medical problems (stuttering and memory loss). I thought it was best for my health so I quit. Unfortunately I am still having those problems. My doctor can't seem to understand it.
I spoke with him last week about my W-2 (still haven't received it) and he had nerve to ask me to come back...oh I see that happening. He even told me they would pay for apt and travel expenses to come back, since he is the one having to do my job now. He said that nobody they put in my position has worked out. Even told me sales have dropped drastically, it is now the 2nd lowest in sales and we were the highest.

Ok, I guess I have run my mouth (fingers) enough for now. The dog isn't very good at conversation except "let me in", "let me out", "give me a treat".

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78. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Just here to echo what most of you said above. I spent that entire episode with my fists in a ball. Just another example of ignorance.

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81. "WOO and HOO!"
This one brought KNOCKERS out! I have been thinking about you since this episode.

So, you were upset at how those lesbians tried to take over?

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85. "RE: WOO and HOO!"
The funny thing Doc? We normally don't watch that show but GF saw a commercial for it so we watched it.
I did find Nikki to be a bit abrasive but nothing worthy of that bitch making the comments that she did.
and that bullsh!t prayer at the end of the episode where she prayed for and wished the best and happiness for the "lesbian family" made me want to puke because it was so manufactured for the camera.
I had respect for the husband because I found him to be pretty open to Chris, until his wife started in at the end and he did nothing to defend that "lesbian child preditor".

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87. "RE: WOO and HOO!"
I agree with you on Nicki but I think in the end she learned a lesson which is what this show is all about. IMHO.

I also liked the husband until the end and I was screaming at the TV for him to take up for the lesbian couple. He saw that the kids were more relaxed and had fun and I think they truly like Christine (I think that was her name). URGH!

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82. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
By the end of last night’s show, I was sobbing for Kris, Nicki, and Elizabeth. My sister is a lesbian, who’s partner has a child and he is the most well-adjusted, smart, creative, well-mannered 10 year old I’ve ever been around. They have a healthy, happy, family relationship. And my entire family accepts them with open arms. As Jesus Christ would do! Watching this Gillespie woman compare Kris to a predator absolutely made my blood boil. How dare her with that self-righteous attitude make such horrible, hateful, non-Christian, IGNORANT statements. And to say to Nicki that she can “pretend to not be gay” drove that nail home about how uninformed Mrs.Gillespie is. And coming from a black woman in a mixed marriage who has probably seen bigotry firsthand in her time……..shame on you.
To quote Martin Luther King, Jr.: Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

Kris, Nicki, and Elizabeth: You have supporters in TN and your family is welcome with open arms into my house ANYTIME!!! God bless you all!!

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83. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
WELCOME!

I am in TN as well. I am in Knoxville, where are you?

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92. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Go Lady Vols! Me too!
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95. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Yeah, they have a huge game tonight. Guess I will have to get the dinner dishes washed early!

GO LADY VOLS!

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110. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
YES, they do!! 8:00 ESPN2 was last I heard.....I'll be watching our girls!

I'm still tore up over last night's Wife Swap.......unbelievable!

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112. "Not the appropriate place to discuss"
It's great that posters are finding other topics in common to discuss, but this isn't the appropriate place to do that. We have an Off-Topic Sports forum where such discussions are welcomed.

On the show forums, we encourage posters to stick to discussing that show. Thanks.

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130. "RE: Not the appropriate place to discuss"
No disrespect to the moderator but after reading these posts, it appears the last poster was re-directing back to the Wife Swap subject. Be easy on the newbies here, they (including myself) are still learning.
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86. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
I was so angry last night I looked forward to coming here this morning and seeing that I was not the only one angry......

The whole living by the rules and changing the rules thing really did not bother me....it was the conviction that the christian mom felt in the the correctness of her views....this is one of the major reasons I no longer attend church......I have found that alot of these "christian" are sos hypocritical and harbour such hatred that it is beyond me to wand to share fellowship with them.....could this woman have been more vile....practically accusing the woman as being a sexual predator and fearing for the safety of her 12 yr old daughter....the woman did not even broach the subject with the child.....she told the whole family she gay and that was it...

you know in the beginning of the show I thought that it was wrong that the gay moms seem to only take lizzie to gay restaurants....but with the bigotry that this woman portrayed I can understand why they would do that.....ahh I tell you the more things change the more they remain the same.....

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90. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
I missed the bulk of the show last night, but caught bits and pieces. I am wishing I hadn't seen any of it. I cannot even imagine having to put up with the amount of stupidity and ignorance that the AZ couple had from the Gillespie mother. I have calmed quite a bit from seeing the ending where the words predator and all things hatred came from. All I can say now is that this woman who is so proud to be a Gillespie is the primary reason why people still believe that being gay is learned, gay marraige is wrong, and you can turn people back into heterosexuals. WHO gives a flying flip what your sexual orientation is? I personally would much rather be around the AZ couple and their daughter than a high and mighty, uppity, millionare, "Christian" family like the Gillespies.


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91. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
After seeing the previews for this episode, I avoided it entirely. I had a very good sense of just how things were going to go. Unfortunately, reading this thread, it looks like I called it from opening to closing credits. (sigh) I couldn't watch. I can't afford to throw any more TVs out the window until March.

What disturbs me is that Texas Bigot will have many, many people coming up to her -- not to tell her how wrong she was, but how right. They might be a little critical because she didn't go far enough, but that'll be it. She will have her supporters and they, too, will come out of the woodwork.

Still -- she's about to be on the receiving end of a lot of prejudice, some of it subtle, quite a bit of it blatant. And I can't say I feel sorry for her at all.

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102. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Here is a press release regarding Kris Gillespie's failed bid for office.

http://www.nwaustinrepublicanwomen.org/press1.htm

She also owns a consulting firm specializing in "excellence."

This was most appaling display of bigotry I have ever seen. I am glad to see so many people saying that on this board. When I spoke with the representative from the Republican organization that this press release came from, she said that she was overwhelmed with calls from everywhere. Kris Gillespie - remember that name Texans - she may decide to run again, somewhere, sometime...

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103. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Hello All, I am also a newbie to this forum . . . what a great forum!

While I find the Texam Mom's behavior completely ugly and offensive, I must say I understand it.

When she told Nikki that she could "pretend not to be gay" she was clearly describing her own life.

1) She is in a traditional relationship. - "Pretend"

2) Her interracial marriage is not viewed as "preverse, freaky or weird" by anyone - "Pretend"

3) She is an African American Stepford Wife - "Pretend"

4) She is happy with her perfect husband and material wealth - "Pretend"

5) Etiquette, cleanliness and being a "Gillespie" equate to EXCELLANCE -"Pretend"

6) Her teenaged children need to be sheltered from anything over PG - i.e. the realities of the world - "Pretend"

Her mechanism for the pain and suffering that she has experienced in her own life is to "Pretend" her created world is reality.

Note, she was Ms. Perfect while she was "Pretending", but when she spewed her vile, bigoted venon, she almost lost her image, and behaved in a "sister girl" manner. (I am an African American female and mean that she became "animated", not as controlled as her "Pretend" perfect image would allow her to project.)

All of the injustices of the world that have been directed to her were redirected to the Lesbian couple. I'd be willing to bet, not only did she not feel sorrow for what she said, but she actually felt better and gleeful, having for once, to be able to express the anger she felt at the world - wrapped in the guise of contempt for the Lesbian couple. (someone else was feeling it, instead of her).

Her point to Nikki was "closeted" envy . . . . no matter how much she "pretends", she cannot hide or change who she is . . .an ashamed, angry African American woman who wants desperately to assimilate as someone else!

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107. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
All good points Canon... did that link above work for anyone else? I can't get it to....
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104. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Ladies you are so right. I wished I hadn't watched either. If there is anything we have learned and most likely agree upon is that there is no epiphany, no moment of clairity where someone realizes that they had it "wrong."

Opinions are like as.sholes, everyone has one. There is nothing wrong nor right about one's opinion, however to denigrate and humiliate someone in the course of expressing your opinion is truly and sadly the mark of someone with less skills and abilities.

Honestly was anything to be gained by this show other than us to go.. WOW, JUST WOW. I loved this series when it started and thought what a great sociological experiment worthy of discussion and then this.

The Gillispie woman will suffer no repurcussions as its highly unlikely she will encounter anyone who doesn't agree with her and if she does she will undoubtedly have at the ready a litany of excuses or justifications that will point out the error of the OTHER persons ways. Very angry and unhappy woman and the husband is equally as controlling. I will PRAY for their kids.. they apparently have the rest covered.

BTW this happens again. An Oklahoma woman who has never been out of OK, and is also a right wing christian switches with a gay male couple. Apparently the husband went into shock and had to go the hospital. She is indignant about what happened and reacts apparently similiar to what went on last night. So stay tuned or out whichever.

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105. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
More information on Kris Gillespie's failed attempt to win seat.

The press release has been taken down by the Republican women. I guess something hit the fan this morning as it was taken down just a couple of minutes ago.

I found this snippett from her election results - SHE ONLY LOST HER SEAT BY 90 votes. That is too close for my taste.

"And indeed, Richardson handily won the first round of voting on March 12, 2002. Stick finished second, outlasting businesswoman Kris Gillespie by a mere 90 votes to squeak into a runoff with Richardson. The second round of voting was just a month away. Stick again faced long odds. But that’s when Stick’s fortunes began to turn."

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109. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Just sad, yet not surprising, which is the saddest part.
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114. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Kris Gillespie is a little too strict with her kids.The kids rooms don't even look like they belong to kids.And while I think it's up to each parent to say what their kids watch they are old enough to watch pg-13 movies.(something I won't let ny 7 year okd watch yet) And with the 17 tear old some R rated ones would be ok. It depends on the content. (gee, I was 12 when my mom took my 16 year old sisterand me to see Risky Business and started seeing Friday the Thirteenth then )
I can tell you I wouldn't care how the cucumbers were arranged in my salad (unless I'm at a expensive reseraunt)
One last thing, what will she do if one of her kids turns out to be gay? Disown them? I remember about 10 years ago one of my best friends told me she was gay (that didn't bother me one bit) She was afraid to tell her mother whose really religious. But, she was fine with it. (on the other hand her brother is a jerk, he won't let her see her neice and nephew) She was in my wedding 6 months later and I made sure to let her know she could bring a date. I live in Massachusetts and am glad that gays and lesbians can get married here. I don't see it as problem and it doesn't make my heterosexual marrige mean less.
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108. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"

>
>Honestly was anything to be gained
>by this show other than
>us to go.. WOW, JUST
>WOW.

I hope and think everyone has something to learn from this episode....From what I can see, this show really upset a lot of people, but in a GOOD WAY...takes those feelings and create change, promote peace, love and acceptence in all that you do and in everyone you meet, despite your differences...

Thats why we did this show...to really be a learning experience for all.

Take care and God Bless!

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115. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
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>>Honestly was anything to be gained
>>by this show other than
>>us to go.. WOW, JUST
>>WOW.
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>I hope and think everyone has
>something to learn from this
>episode....From what I can see,
>this show really upset a
>lot of people, but in
>a GOOD WAY...takes those feelings
>and create change, promote peace,
>love and acceptence in all
>that you do and in
>everyone you meet, despite your
>differences...
>
>Thats why we did this show...to
>really be a learning experience
>for all.
>
>Take care and God Bless!

Hi. Thank you so much for reading our posts. I wonder if Ms. Gillespie will read any of these posts. She needs to.

I just wanted to tell you that your daughter is so absolutely cute with all those freckles. I know she probably hates them, but someone that I knew told her daughter who had freckles that they were leftover kisses from angels who watched over her while she slept.

Like I said in my first post, I am so bad with names, you are Nikki right? And your partner is Chris? I am disabled and sometimes my meds mess up my short term memory. But I just wanted to say that I respect you all so much, and I do understand that your constitutional rights have been stripped in a lot of areas. Yes, you are right, who would make all the decisions for you if something happened to you and you couldn't? Could your partner? Not by law. That is your GW! Can you tell I am NOT republican? LOL

Quick story. I once live in a 3 bedroom house with 3 lesbians (one bathroom though!). Two were a couple, and the other girl was single. I am straight. And I had the best time going out with these girs. I met a lot of wonderful people who, to this day, are very close friends of mine. The other girl in the house, who was single, would sit and snuggle on the couch with me, and we would channel surf while watching TV and she'd look for all the good shows with pretty women and I'b be looking for TV shows with the good looking guys. We took turns looking at our own special "eye candy"! I also have a very dear freind (a man) who is gay, and he and I lived together for awhile, and when we would go out on the weekends, not necessarily to gay bars, but we would find we had the same taste in men! LOL We'd be scouting out the guys in the place and usually ended up likeing the same ones! But, on the other hand, I saw up close and personal how difficult some areas of these wonderful folks' lives were. And for some reason, my gay friend, the man, had a harder time. Most of his friends were "manley jock types" and he was so afraid to "come out" to them. Though a lot of them suspected, they would tease him. I am happy to say though that today he seems to be more comfortable with who he is and seems to have "come out" a bit to his friends. I am happy for him. I am now married but this guy is truly one very special love of my life. And as for "the girls" we all went our separate ways, and I don't see them much, but I still have a lot of friends who come from all walks of life, straight, gay, African American, Native American, not too many republicans though! LOL

I am glad that this show brought out the "reality" of how people are simply people, and their choices are THEIR choices, and no one has the right to judge. NO ONE. I live down here in Alabama where that church, can't remember it's name either, came down to protest the beating death of a young gay man, saying tha he didn't deserve a funeral and all that crap! I remember one sign that a woman held up saying "IVAN WAS GOD'S WRATH FOR LOVING GAYS" Can you imagine? ( I live where Hurricane Ivan came ahsore)

Anyway, good luck to your and your beautiful family and give your daughter all of our best, she seems like a very well adjusted kid.

Here's wishing you all a good spirit,
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113. "Disagree"
I loved this series when it started and thought what a great sociological experiment worthy of discussion and then this.

But, in fact, this episode was the PERFECT example of Wife Swap as sociological experiment, wasn't it? Look at this outpouring of reaction!

The Gillespie woman will suffer no repercussions, as it's highly unlikely she will encounter anyone who doesn't agree with her and if she does she will undoubtedly have at the ready a litany of excuses or justifications that will point out the error of the OTHER person's ways.

It's possible you're right, but look at the intensity of this reaction. I can't believe that everyone around her will agree with her. This show did more to advance the cause of gay marriage than anything since the Massachusetts Supreme Court decision that legalized it here.

We saw one couple exposed to NAKED prejudice because of their lifestyle, despite having done nothing to earn condemnation other than agree to go on a reality show.

Note that we've now had same-sex marriage in Massachusetts for a year, and the only bad thing that has happened to the state is that the rest of the country got to see how worthless our junior senator is....

The concept of this episode was great: a couple that at one time would have been considered an abomination in much of the country (due to the ban against mixed-race romances -- which was even an issue in the 2000 elections after Bush stopped at Bob Jones University, which still had such a ban in place) instead professes blatant discrimination against another couple because they "violate" a separate taboo.

Look at this comment by Bob Jones University from the linked article defending the ban on interracial dating (let alone marriage):

Jones said the university first implemented the dating ban more than five decades ago, "because we were trying ... to enforce something, a principle, that is much greater than this. We stand against the one world government, against the coming world of the antichrist."

Couldn't you picture Kris Gillespie saying about the same thing against Nicki and Kristine's relationship? While Kris may fail to see the similarity, I'll bet much of America did ... and to see how such arguments are now considered to be discriminatory, at least with respect to Kris' marriage.

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116. "RE: Disagree"
Along with righteous indigination at Kris Gillespie's outright cruetly and arrogance, I had this thought: often, we despise those characteristics in others that we are so afraid to see/accept in ourselves. Kris was quite liberal with the word "depraved". Could Kris herself be dealing with her own issues of depravity?? You know the old saying - those who are most homo-phobic are guilty, ashamed and angry that they harbor those same tendencies. They cover their guilt/shame, etc with moral righteousness. Could Kris be dealing with the fact that, on some level, she is ashamed that she herself in involved in a (to some) depraved relationship as a black woman married to a white man?? Her level of anger was out of place. I think she is covering up some dark and nasty secret herself. Sado- massochism? She seemed awfully controlling and Brian very docile. Was she angry that the lesbian couple showed no sexual interest in her??? Was she angry with herself for being secretly stimulated? Was Brian? He seemed comfortable in the gay bar. Could there be a secret in the Gillespie closet? There are so many possibilities to consider. The bottom line: Kris is ashamed of herself and she's angry that she feels that way. One last thing: did anyone notice she slipped into "ebonic" dialect when angry?? What else is she covering up?
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126. "RE: Disagree"
Well I live in San Francisco... that should say everything if it says anything. And this time last year I was at City Hall passing out Hershey' kisses to the couples. Wow how much has changed in a year and none for the better.

And what I saw with regards to Gay Marriage is that right now there are two camps: For and Against and ne'er the twain shall meet.

I suggest you read an excellent book called Moral Politics by George Lakoff, it gets to the heart of the matter with regards to this whole idea of "moral values" and what that term means.

I seriously doubt this show will have any effect on anything. This is a message board community and everyone who is already in the choir is preaching to the choir, those who disagree are usually chased off so they stick to their boards where their audience share a similiar perspective.

Its good to see that there was outrage but will it accomplish anything? Kris Gillispie and President Bush cited their "studies have shown" crap and yet when pressed its highly unlikely they would show you any legitimate study conducted by a major university with secular leanings. But I haven't a doubt they would find such sources from a non secular school that supports their ideals and beliefs. People will stay rigid and firm to their beliefs even more so when attacked. Kris Gillespie will probably use that show as a platform to run again. Scary. And it appears she lives in Austin where I used to live and ironically all my friends there were lesbian women. Amazing strong and powerful - they were appalled but not shocked when I e-mailed this morning with regards to her.

Read the book and understand why and how these people think. We have had a lovely supportive discussion but how many people are going beyond expressing their rage and working actively for gay rights? Talking and doing are two very different things.

And perhaps I am a pessimist but I prefer to believe I am realist and I have seen the gay rights movement from its ground up in the 60s - along with the civil rights movement and its tough going. This is strictly a reality show and this is a message board community... nothing more or less unless people move past posting to doing.

But it did serve to educate and see people for those who have not had the opportunity. The episode with the Oklahoma and Seattle couple I believe airs in May and I haven't a doubt a similiar response will occur.

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134. "But..."
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...if the people against gay marriage didn't THEMSELVES believe that they needed to suppress favorable depictions of gay marriage, then why would there be the big brouhaha about the Sugartime! episode of the PBS children's show Postcards from Buster?

This episode of Wife Swap not only featured a non-hostile depiction of a gay couple with a child, but it included a braying opponent of gay and lesbian relationships, who came across as deeply disturbed. That has to have more PR value than a couple of background pictures in a kid's show, right?

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138. "RE: But..."
In a word.. No.

But if anyone is interested in writing to discuss Kris Gillespie... you can write to the Austin American Statesman that is the local paper in the area.

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135. "question"
I would like to send a letter to the editor of a newspaper that would cover the area in which Kris G. lives in Texas and the district of the seat she ran for in the House of Representatives (new district 50, I think, centered on Pflugerville). Can you tell me which paper that would be? The newspaper that would reflect her politics.
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137. "RE: Disagree"
You are right in your statements that it is easy to watch TV, get mad, then come here to post. But to actually DO something IS making a difference. Although this is a wonderful outlet to express.

I too have seen the courage it takes to live the life you were meant to live, especially if it is "different" than what others feel normal. I have seen it up close and personal way down here in the deep south of southern Alabama. One thing I heard, I can't remember who said it, but it was in reference to the young black community, the kids. Mention of how hard the people who came before them worked to achieve the rights that they have today seems to have been forgotten, and that young black men and women aren't honoring Rev. King's memory or the success of his movement for which many many died. I can remember the water hoses, the dogs, the riots all that, and how pitiful it all was. Being gay is the same kind of struggle against predjudice and bless those crusaders who are attempting to help make "all men(and women ) created eqaul". Isn't it funny how we all can quote that phrase but very few of us have really had to push and work hard to be able to have it apply to us, when we shouldn't have to "work" at all for it to apply to anyone. It is our right, and should be, without question. I don't like it when people start quoting religion to stand against gays. Why are they hiding behind their religion? What are they really afraid of? That maybe one day, they will have a family memeber who is gay, and then they will actually have to practice the core of their religion which basically is love. I despise it when I see gays refused the right to even practice any sort of faith. Why are their black churches, white churches, gay churches. Now how do we know that God wants us all to separate ourselves that way? Is he/she picking whose church is better? I am reminded of that bible quote that is always shown around. John 3:16 (I hope that's the right one!) The part about "whosoever believes in him will have life eternal" (something to that effect, I'm sure I am miss quoting) But I know that the words "WHO SO EVER" doesn't say "WHO SO EVER ISN'T GAY".

So, you are right. What exactly ARE we doing. I know that there were a lot of folks who went out to counter protest against Rev. Phelps and the Westboro Church down here when they paid us a visit. The counter protest was silent and symbolic. I was in contact a lot with the organizer and we shared a lot of ideas. I was so upset, because I got all ready to go, and when I went to read the email I got from the woman who was organizing everything, I noticed that I was ready to go to the point where the silent protest was, only it was the day before! They had different places where people were going to counter protest, and the one closest to me was where I was going to attend, I have a wheelchair, so I had to figure out where would be best. But, it must be all the meds! I was all ready to go, just a day late! LOL Luckily I looked at the email again before I went out the door!

OH and what are we looking forward to in May that's going to stir up the pot again? Can you say?

Have a good night all.
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139. "Flaw in logic"
You are right in your statements that it is easy to watch TV, get mad, then come here to post. But to actually DO something IS making a difference.

There's a flaw in the logic. The assumption is that all of the people posting in these forums are just indignant at this point and are posting to express their indignation but doing nothing more. There's no evidence to support that actually being the case.

Since this forum is for discussing a show, the discussion is narrowed to commenting on this show. But just because the discussion is narrowed, doesn't mean that the posters are narrowed.

We have an off-topic forum here, as well as chat, email, and private message features through which some posters have been able to demonstrate that their actions are not limited to just posting here. I know from some of these venues that these discussions are making positive change, since I know of some posters who have admitted that their views have radically changed. I know some posters who have gone from being vehement opposition to active support becuase their discourse here opened them up to a broader thought process.

There's also a lot of behavior that isn't discussed in this forum since it's not relevant to the show. The people who are actively lobbying their legislators, and the people whose votes in the recent election were impacted by their discussions here. I know people who never contributed to political campaigns before who are writing checks to candidates who are running against anti-gay candidates. I know people who are working within their churches to fight the belief that homosexuality and Christianity can not meet. I know parents who are making sure that their children interact with their gay friends - not only does that keep the misconceptions from passing to the children, but also fights that stupid "sexual predator" false assumption.

Just because the discussion here is narrowly focused on the show doesn't mean that the folks participating in the discussion are so limited. I know far too well that's not an accurate assumption.



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117. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
I just wanted to come back and post because someone earlier had posted a website that mentions Kris Gillespie's involvement in the Texas woman's republican organiaztion. If you click on the link from this message board it doesn't take you there. But I found something very interesting. I did a google on Kris Gillespie and found a hit that did show this particular website this other poster posted in their reply, BUT it also listed Kris's email address! I don't know if I can post her email here, so I won't. But I'm just saying, google her name, and go down about 4 or so "hits'and look for this title:

Kris Gillespie announces candidacy - Austin Texas

and you will see her email addy. I'd do it quicly, cuz they may remove it! LOL

Good luck, and let's let her know how we feel about her representing anything! I'd be tactful in your wording though just as to cover your butt so she won't come after you for slander. K?

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118. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
I just hope that all the members of her church get to see her for what she is...and the husband sure does not wear the pants in that family. He acted like a zombie with nothing to say...wonder if he agrees with his wife...when his friends see this that are sure going to say he is a wimp and I can only hope that someone will tell them what a bad example for other christians they are
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120. "And she's also an author! What can Kris Gillespie not do?"
The name of the book is "When Mama Ain't Happy, Ain't Nobody Happy: 52 Secrets Uncovered! Rules That Women Want Men to Know." Brian is listed as co-author.

I wonder what thise "rules" are? Even happiness, apparently, is about rules.

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121. "Here's a decription of Gillespie's book"
Here's an excerpt from the Amazon website describing Gillespie's book. Two posters on Amazon rated it with one star today, obviously angry about the show last night:
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Product Description:
(AUSTIN, TX) Authors Kris & Brian Gillespie share 52 humorous “Rules” that will empower, inspire and strengthen relationships between men and women. Personal relationsips have three key ingredients: Love, Laughter & Romance. Of the three, how effectively you communicate your love will set the tone for fun and romance as well. Their book When Mama Ain’t Happy, Ain’t Nobody Happy, 52 Rules women want men to know (Destination Publications, January 2000, ISBN:0970559402, paperback $8.99) provides fun and common sense tips to strengthen communication skills, and keep those home flames hot. If you’ve ever said “We don’t have fun anymore or we don’t talk like we used to” then this is the book for you. For example:

Rule #6, “Going shopping with your wife is like being seventeen in an election year. You can have all the opinions you want, but you just can’t vote.”

Rule #21, “Ask directions, even if you may be able to find your own way.”

Rule #41, “ Remember that all you have, you share, unless it’s hers.”

Rule #52, “ Marriage is not 50/50, it’s 100/100.

Rule #8, “When looking at other women, the three second rule applies.”

Written mostly through Brian’s own suggestions, based on 15 years of experience, When Mama Ain’t Happy, Ain’t Nobody Happy, will make you laugh until you cry…. And then you will laugh some more. It will energize, bring humor, and fire up the passion in a relationship

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125. "RE: Here's a decription of Gillespie's book"
does anyone know what Mr. Gillespie does for a living...it must be something that pays lots and lots of money. Maybe his boss would not like having someone like this working for him??
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128. "RE: And she's also an author! What can Kris Gillespie not do?"
I SAW that too! Gee, what an original title. How many of us haven't heard THAT phrase before?
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123. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
if anyone is interested ...if you put Kate Gillespie Republican org in google you will bring up ...a couple of sites down her email address. I think we should ALL email her our feelings
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127. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
They took down the press release shortly after I posted the link. I not only saw her email address but also found her company from that email address. I did not post the address for the same reason as the above poster.

Anyhoo, I called her, and she answered the phone. I introduced myself, and asked her if she cared to discuss Wife Swap. The only thing out of her mouth was "how did you get this number?", and when I told her "off of the internet," she then asked if I was a Christian. Before I could answer, she then told me that I don't know the real story - that she was misedited. I asked how she could have possibly been taken out of context...she then hung up on me. So glad she is not an elected official. (by the people for the people, unless you are gay - then you are just a sexual predator)...

It was an automated phone system that led me right to her. BTW, her husband also works at this company. That was not the way that it was represented on the show (wasn't she represented to be a stay at home mom, and didn't she put down the other mom for having to work). But I guess if you just act like you don't work, people might think you are really a good mother.

Still amazed.

I sure would like to hear what her pastor has to say about her deplorable behavior. As far as I am concerned, I am finally over it. After talking to her for even the briefest of time, I realized that she was EXACTLY as she was portayed.

Keep the great conversation going.

Contextual Editing is the new Wardrobe Malfunction.

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02-10-05, 09:09 PM (EST)
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129. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
LAST EDITED ON 02-10-05 AT 11:14 PM (EST)

I sent an email to Ms. Gillespie and I'd like to share with you all it's contents. Here's my words that I sent:


I heard you got a phone call from someone today and you asked them if they were a Christian, and when they didn't answer you, you then hung up. What, do you not even speak to non-Christians? I wonder how Jesus would feel about your venomous attitude towards another human being.

I am NOT Christian, but I do believe in Jesus as a great teacher, you seemed to miss the point of his teachings. And did you know that Old Testament was actually written AFTER the Gospel's were written. You should really study your theology. I studied Catholicism for years and never saw any such sort of defaming words in that book. You should read the book of Ruth sometime, or Esther. Now THERE were two women who were leaders and "excellent".

You should check out this article: http://www.rtis.com/reg/bcs/pol/touchstone/summer97/editors.htm It even mentions the school Texas A&M which stated the formation of the GLBA at Texas A&M to protect gay and lesbian students who were taunted relentlessly without any repercussions from the staff. There is also a reference to where there is NO where in the Bible that Jesus or anyone defames homosexuals, or even speaks of it. The only mention of that subject is in the letters from Paul. Here is that link so you can educate yourself further on your faith:

www.qrd.org/qrd/orgs/PFLAG/brochures/is.homosexuality.a.sin.

If you have a shred of an open mind, you will look at these articles.

I hope that what you did causes people to see you for who you really are. I wonder what Martin Luther King would think of you. I know that you are probably not old enough to remember having to use a different drinking fountain because of the color of your skin, the way you treated that wonderful loving woman Chris was the same way the blacks in Montgomery Alabama were treated in the 1960's. And the comment you made to your children "was THAT woman nice"? How would you like it if Chris came home and said "was that Negro nice".

The way you treated Chris and Nikki was just wrong, and now all of America see's what kind of person you really are. You are not perfect, nor are you excellent by any means.

You should be ashamed of yourself.
We recently had a young gay man murdered here, and it of course was considered a hate crime. So of course the Reverend Phelps and the Westboro Church showed up in mass form, but we met their protests with love and compassion and didn't respond to their hateful taunts. One of their members shouted at one young girl that she was a "fag lover" and that we were all going to hell. There was even a woman holding a sign up saying that Hurricane Ivan was God's punishment for all of us gay lovers. They were protesting this young man's funeral in a Christian church. THIS young man, was beaten and then burned to death, just because he was gay. And the Pastor of the church held a beautiful service for this young man regardless of his faith. He stated that God loves everyone. Now THAT man is a Christian! Not someone like you. And you know what, every picture I saw of the members of the Westboro church showed angry ugly experssions while they were protesting, while the faces of those they were yelling at showed only compassion and love. We all know that this young man is in heaven being embraced in the arms of God.

Sincerely,
A person in Alabama who believes in "all people are created equal"

P.S. Jesus would be ashamed of you also.


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02-11-05, 10:46 AM (EST)
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131. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
LAST EDITED ON 02-11-05 AT 11:25 AM (EST)

I just joined this site so I could comment on this latest episode of Wife Swap. I find it very unusual that 48 hours after seeing this program I am still thinking about it. I can't remember the last time a non news TV show impacted me so deeply.

All I can say is that Ms. Gillespie is an insult not only to Christians but to the entire human race. Thinking like hers is the reason that I left the Evangelical church I had attended for many years. I am not perfect by any means but as a Christian I try very hard to love as Jesus loved. I don't always succeed but I work on it all the time.

As someone mentioned above it sounds like Ms. Gillespie is holding a great deal of anger inside about her own life issues and has not even attempted to confront it. It's evident by her obession with excellence that she is terrified that the fake perfect world that she created will come crashing down and that she will lose control.

I wish the Lesbian couple nothing but the best. They handled this whole experience with great dignity and maturity and I would be proud to have them as friends. Their sassy little girl was a riot and was a natural for TV. The camera just loves her! They have a lovely well adjusted family and and you can see that there is much love in that home.

I wil pray for Ms. Gillespie as Jesus told us to pray for our enemies and right now thats how i feel about her. As she was spewing her hate I could almost hear our Lord crying, "Stop! This is not what I taught!" I hope she learns from this but I doubt she will be able to honestly look at herself. Very sad for all in her family.

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02-11-05, 08:55 PM (EST)
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136. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Mrs. Gillespie makes no sense. She is black and yet she condemns someone based on a label and not the true character of the person. That's not my God teaching her.

She may have all the material things, but the one thing I never saw when they showed her kids with her or her husband, was them smiling. The only time they smiled was with the "lesbian".

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02-14-05, 08:11 AM (EST)
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141. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
The public thrives on real people lives. The good, bad and ugly.
Seems the more dysfunctional they are the more worthy they are of good veiwing! I feel networks almost intentionally select highly dysfunctional people so they get higher ratings. It is sad but true.
I rarely watch Wife Swap, but the previews intrigued me to watch.

My hair was absolutely on fire watching this black, hypocrytical, reilgious, gay bashing, inter-racial marriage woman shake a finger at these women and accuse them of being predators! She is no more christian than I am.

Hey Kris, my ex husband and I went to his church for counseling before getting married. The Preacher (Baptist) claimed my husband was more religious than I because my husband could answer religious questions, where as I cxouldn't answer all his questions and in the long run, I perferred my views to be private. Guess where my ex is now? My baptist ex husband is in Huntsville for molesting our daughter! Hey! How does that work for you?

Are you aware that AIDS is on the rise in the black population? Sounds like promiscurity at it's finest to me.

Why don't YOU try pretending not being a black woman who is married to a white guy, pretending to be excellent, religious while wearing rocks and controlling everyone in the house? I am appalled by your behavior and hope that your children don't grow up to be as rigid as you. You know how you pretended to enjoy the microwave dinner the lover made for you? Maybe your children do the same thing as you methodically hold Bible study with them. Do they really understand the true value of religion/sprituality and the application of it in everyday life? Do they feel love in their hearts for their god and their fellow man? I fear they won't having you as a role model.

I hope the two Lesbians grew stronger and appreciate each other more as a result of your damaging visit and damaging words.

The thought of you running for public office frightnes me.

By the way....I am LESBIAN and I KNOW GOD LOVES ME.

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02-14-05, 07:59 PM (EST)
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142. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
I have never posted before so bear with me. It has taken me almost a week to have the nerve to do this.

As for the holier than now Mrs. G. I can only say she is a wanna be. She wants to be a white women but she is stuck in abrown wrapper. I dont care what people's sexual preference, hey as long as your happy. As for the religion part, it's because of people like her that I do not attend church. If you are going to talk the talk then walk the walk. Christians are to be loving and kind to all people and follow Jesus' examples. She must have skipped that day in church. I feel the most pity for her children. As a mother of 3 I am trying to raise them to stay away from people like this.

As for Kris and Nikki I APPLAUD you. You so easily could have played the interacial marriage card and you didn't. That was the most important thing you could have done and you didn't. Ithink you both are better than that thing from Texas as a mother and a loving couple.

I was so full of hatered after that show, I was embarrassed to be a Republican and a women.

As for all homosexuals be proud, stand strong and most important be happy. This women from Texas is an idiot. Reminds me of the song "American Idiot" sure fits.

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02-16-05, 07:32 PM (EST)
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143. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
> I was so full of
>hatered after that show, I
>was embarrassed to be a
>Republican and a women.

Do you really want to belong to the same party as that bigot? (not to mention the president?!) Let's see this show *really* change the world: switch parties!

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02-17-05, 07:24 AM (EST)
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144. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Some of us equate switching parties with letting the bigots win. We're trying to fight the battle from within and cut down the size of their soapbox.
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02-17-05, 10:47 AM (EST)
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145. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
As I suspected this ep really got people upset. Mrs Gillespie was a real .... I don't know what to call her. She always had to be right and everything was suppose to be done her way and seen through her eyes. She judged everyone around her. When really she needed to look in a mirror. She was lucky to have a husband that supported her and provided her with everything she desired. And in her mind that made her better and able to look down on everyone else and judge them as wrong because they didn't meet her standards. What do these people think when they watch themselves on TV?
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02-17-05, 12:46 PM (EST)
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146. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
Unfortunately, I can just picture Mrs. G. sitting there screaming at the TV saying something like...see there! I really set those lesbians straight! I really had to put them in their place!
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02-19-05, 09:53 AM (EST)
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147. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
here's a link to an interview with Nikki from The Advocate. She describes some things that got edited out, including Mr. Bigot taking Kris to a church sermon about protesting gay/lesbian marriage and Mr. Bigot signed a petition against gay/lesbian marriage right infront of Kris! So much for him just being a wuss. I wonder why they edited that out of the show?

http://www.advocate.com/html/stories/932/932_wife_swap.asp

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02-19-05, 09:59 AM (EST)
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148. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
... and a few quotes from Mrs. Bigot in another article on the show. Notable: Mrs. Bigot uses the word "smashing" as in "It could have been smashing." <Insert withering comment here>

http://lgrl.sitestreet.com/news/article.asp?id=2696

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02-19-05, 10:01 AM (EST)
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149. "RE: Wife Swap Episode 02/09/05"
And they always blame the editing for making them look worse. In this case it was like the editing helped hide how bad he really was.
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