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"Rooting for Scott Savol"
geekboy 1788 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser"
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02-16-05, 10:18 PM (EST)
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"Rooting for Scott Savol" |
Hi All -As i did in season two when i was rooting for Clay who then was the underdog in terms of 'image', this season i'm rooting for Scott. Like clay, the image initially is definately not there, but the voice outshines that image. Scott is who i'm backing this season. Thoughts? geekboy
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Coconut 10856 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-16-05, 10:21 PM (EST)
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1. "Beaten to the punch again." |
I was just about to start this thread in the ID forum, but yes, I am also rooting for Scott. He looks like an inbred hillbilly, but he is well-spoken and his voice gives me goosebumps. I do not think he will win, but I hope he will go far. "These are not wholesome young role models. These are hideously emaciated trollops with good genes." --TeamJoisey
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greenmonstah 10761 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-17-05, 04:33 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Beaten to the punch again." |
"He looks like an inbred hillbilly..."His sister claims he has "a real purty mouth". That joke always comes in handy. I am with you Coco, as far as your post down below, the man can really sing but let's all pray to Cod he does not try to bust-a-move. <cringe> Watching that? could possibly hurt my unborn child.
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Bebo 21083 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-17-05, 07:01 AM (EST)
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2. "Moved from General Discussion" |
Since this is a discussion about an individual contestant, I've moved it to the Individual Contestant forum.
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Breezy 18380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-17-05, 08:56 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
He's been my favorite since his initial audition... my only cripe with him. Lose the attitude, it seems to be getting worse each time we see him. But I love his voice. Save a horse, ride a cowboy. Sigpic by Syren.
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geekboy 1788 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser"
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02-17-05, 09:44 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
I don't see any attitude with Scott. What I see is genuine confidence and determination to make it far in this competition.now, compare this to Asia Jackson. That was attitude and cockiness, completely different than Scott. geekboy
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Breezy 18380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-17-05, 01:06 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
I thought his attitude at the start of the group project wasn't very good. Although he did come around in the end. Maybe I'm just old, I'd rather hear the contestant say "I know I'm the best and I'm going to show everyone" then say.... "Yo dog, I'm going to bring it and light it on fire...." I agree with you on the Asia chick, that was bad. I will still be rooting for him though.
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badger 1273 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson"
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02-17-05, 10:11 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
scott can sing, but can he dance?
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Coconut 10856 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-17-05, 03:16 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
I hope not. "These are not wholesome young role models. These are hideously emaciated trollops with good genes." --TeamJoisey
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batts 1731 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall"
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02-19-05, 10:58 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
lol Coconut.... you dont wanna see him 'busta move' lol
warn me first if 'dawgs' gonna bust a 'move' so I can change channels first
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kidflash212 5051 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-18-05, 04:01 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
Wow - I feel exactly the opposite. I can't stand him. His whole "street" persona seems like an act and I hate people who are phony. If anyone is an underdog at this stage it would be the finalists who had no screen time before Tuesday night (Sierra, Morena, Jared). How can they make it past the next round when so many of the others have already built up a fan base? I would think AI could do a better job with this.
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callalilly3000 693 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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02-19-05, 11:13 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
Clay was fixable.... he went from this.... to this.....
little bit of a difference.
The only way Scott can improve is by going on "Extreme Makeover". Now, I must admit, I love his voice, and I hope he does well. But there isn't much anyone can do, to improve this guys image.
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survivorscott 2191 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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02-22-05, 12:08 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
Clay did not have an air of arrogance about him like Scott does. It seems to me that if offered advice and grooming tips, he would scoff at them and not help himself at all.
Come in a stranger,leave a little stranger
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okaychatt 2810 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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02-22-05, 02:31 AM (EST)
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13. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
Scott's elitist attitude set me off from the beginning, and I am finding it difficult to forget that when he's singing, no matter how smooth his voice is.Is he trying to play the bad boy to get attention from voters, do you think? If so, his strategy has worked. He's a negative for me. Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
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Breezy 18380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-22-05, 08:15 AM (EST)
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14. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
Yes, I do believe he's trying to go for the bad boy gangsta to get voters. After watching last night, I will be surprised if he moves on. He just doesn't have the looks to compete with the others, and we all know that looks come into play with this competition. Save a horse, ride a cowboy. Sigpic by Syren.
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badger 1273 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson"
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02-22-05, 10:13 AM (EST)
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15. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
i initially thought he had a great voice and that it might trump his lack of "the look"but he didn't shine AT ALL last night. he'll have to have a lot more stage presence if he's going to outlast the others. i'm just hoping paula doesn't offer him any make-over advice!!!
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emydi 13669 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-22-05, 12:56 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
I agree, I was disappointed in him last nite, but I think he will make it bc there were others much worse last nite. ALso I think he is better known than others who were first "showcased" last nite. America knows Scott so that will help him in the votes this week...but he has to pick better songs in the next two weeks or he may not make it to finals.My favorite from last nite...BO what a surprise!! Constantine has nothing on this guy (except maybe a bit more "charisma" as Simon said) and what was Constantine thinking when he picked a Seal song????!!?? Mario was good too but I expected it. But I thought Bo was the best last nite. Mario a close 2nd. I was disappointed in Milli Vanilli and David they could do a lot better. Milli Vanilli was better than David but I did not like Moon River at all. David was too safe in his song choice. But again America knows these two and they will make it through this week IMO Tracheotomy Clay was HORRIBLE...but the teen girls will put him through at least this week. The other three...who?? 2 of these 3 will probably go, Nico is my guess to make it this week. The other two who I can't even remember their names will not, imo.
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Coconut 10856 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-22-05, 01:05 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
Scott was pretty terrible, but a bunch of others were, too, so I'm not too worried. Bo was faaaaabulous. He may be my new favourite. "These are not wholesome young role models. These are hideously emaciated trollops with good genes." --TeamJoisey
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DontGetMeStarted 880 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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02-22-05, 01:21 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
He just flipping scares me. My worst nightmare would be meeting him and the Mickey Mouse (Asia) girl in a dark alley.
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niteowl 199 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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02-23-05, 06:23 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
OMG! My 2 1/2 year old looked over at the TV just as Scott came on and actually screamed!! I had to calm her down! And I made my other daughter (who hadn't seen him yet) close her eyes to listen. When she opened them she jumped....i'm so sorry, but we've already seen him and no matter how good his voice is, "we can't get him out of our mind".
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DontGetMeStarted 880 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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02-24-05, 01:17 PM (EST)
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26. "me too!" |
The sunglasses camouflage didn't trick me either....I have real mixed feeling about this, because I don't make a habit of judging people by how they look. But dang, he makes my skin crawl! So I have to plead special circumstances! Hopefully, your kid-os won't be scarred.. that sounds reactionary but ... well, I hope they aren't scarred and I'm not afraid to say it!
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geekboy 1788 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser"
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02-24-05, 01:23 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: me too!" |
You guys must be joking, right? Your kids screamed? I find that hard to believe. So Scott is not GQ material, so what? I think we as a country are way too deep into the 'celebrity image' thing. Answer me this - how did Ruben win based on his 'body image'? I think Scott has a better voice than Ruben. geekboy
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Breezy 18380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-24-05, 01:36 PM (EST)
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28. "Answer" |
Rueben was a big cuddly teddy bear, he smiled and crooned.
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DontGetMeStarted 880 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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02-24-05, 01:47 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: me too!" |
Ok, if you want the truth.... Ruben didn't look like the mug shot of a pedophile either. His eyes were smiling and he looked genuinely nice. Sweat and fat are not scary, it's the eyes....
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volsfan 19846 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-24-05, 02:08 PM (EST)
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30. "RE: me too!" |
I thought you and niteowl were kidding but I guess not. This is really sad that such harsh judgements are being made because of the way this kid looks and now you are comparing him to a pedophile? I understand we like to make fun and joke about these peeps but isn't this being extremely harsh? Has your children never seen anyone overweight? What made them scream? I don't get it.
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geekboy 1788 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser"
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02-24-05, 02:18 PM (EST)
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32. "RE: me too!" |
Thank you, Volsfan. I am also offended by the turn that this thread I started has taken. Scott Savol is EXACTLY the type of person that this competition is perfect for. The record companies can find truckloads of skinny-pretty things with implants in a heartbeat. To find someone "normal" with a truly God-given voice is what AI is all about.To go poke fun at someone just because he is overweight and not a mirror image of Brad Pitt is pretty sad. Then to add in an allusion to being a pedophile is even sadder yet. geekboy
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DontGetMeStarted 880 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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02-24-05, 03:17 PM (EST)
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33. "RE: me too!" |
That is not what I said. I said sweat and fat are not what is scary. He looks scary -to me. It's not because he is fat. He look menacing -to me. For the record, I'm not a Brad Pitt fan *at all*. I don't like the perfect plastic surgery looks of most of the 'stars', I like the way real people look. This is just one person who -to me, looks like people I have seen on TV who are allegedly bad people. Is this so upsetting because he is a youth minister? Because I'm not saying he *is* a bad person at all. And I never said that I hoped he get voted off or anything remotely like that. Ever. I never equated his talent with his looks. Ever. This is just my opinion of one person's 'look'. We obviously don't agree but I honestly didn't mean to upset either of you with my opinion or my comments.
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DontGetMeStarted 880 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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02-24-05, 03:25 PM (EST)
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35. "RE: me too!" |
True, it was a harsh thing to say, I didn't say he was one though. It's just the 'look'... I wish I could look at him again and say I've made a mistake in the way I see him, so I could restore harmony, but I'd be lying. And it is not because he is fat! In all honesty he is not that fat. Please see reply to Geekboy as well.
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volsfan 19846 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-24-05, 04:44 PM (EST)
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37. "RE: me too!" |
I guess the thing that really struck me as harsh was when niteowl said that her 2 1/2 year old was scared by his looks and even screamed! Then it just went downhill from there. We don't all have to agree around here. As a matter of fact, it would be boring if we all had the same thoughts. I just thought somethings that were said was very harsh. Hell, I am glad I am not on one of these shows because I would hate to see what would be said about me!
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DontGetMeStarted 880 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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02-25-05, 01:15 PM (EST)
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43. "RE: me too!" |
>I guess the thing that really >struck me as harsh was >when niteowl said that her >2 1/2 year old was >scared by his looks and >even screamed! Then it just >went downhill from there. Well you never can tell what kids are thinking or how they will react to things, it's usually (99.9%) not malicious, but it can be embarrassing among other things because they haven't been taught how to hide reactions yet. I struggled with what to do with my own child.. for example when he watched a women take her leg off at the gym. He stared, he asked me about it (he was about 4) and I told him to go ask her about it, he did and he came back and said 'she's nice, her leg bone got really sick so they had to take it off so she wouldn't get sick' they became buddy's. Currently he is around many brain injured people who can often look spastic and weird because of paralysis etc. He accepts these people as is. My point is it's not that this guy is 'different' that I said the things I did, it's something else that (maybe only I) react to with him. Anyway I zipping my lips because I don't want to encourage any more discord about it. > >We don't all have to agree >around here. As a matter >of fact, it would be >boring if we all had >the same thoughts. I just >thought somethings that were said >was very harsh. Hell, I >am glad I am not >on one of these shows >because I would hate to >see what would be said >about me! Well I would compare my singing to scat girl's -really bad! That being said thanks for agreeing to disagree!
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niteowl 199 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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02-24-05, 04:49 PM (EST)
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38. "RE: me too!" |
In my defense: All I said was that my toddler screamed when he came on the screen. She does that for some of those creepy things on shows like "Buffy" (commercials...) and if she sees a distorted face, like some of the faces in weird animation, even "Rugrats". I didn't say anything, and I think little kids are naturally drawn to symmetry and pleasant faces. (aren't we all....?) If he has a sweet personality and pleasant demeanor, then he should get it out there, it does not come through and he comes off as "creepy".
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scottsavol 1 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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02-25-05, 02:53 AM (EST)
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41. "RE: me too!" |
I am rooting for Scott despite his looks. I admire his ability to shrug off insults about his looks. Let's see.. An unemployed man.. used to be a prison security guard.... has a four year old son that motivates him to win... has a father that looks down upon him.... gets repeatedly insulted by Simon for his looks.... Seems like his story fits the underdog profile that America will support. Oh.. and don't forget he has a great voice. My family must have gotten in 800 votes with four cell phones and one land line. Go Scott!
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Breezy 18380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-25-05, 08:34 AM (EST)
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42. "My clarification" |
It's not his looks that is turning me off of him. It's his attitude and the look he is creating with that attitude.
I do still enjoy his voice, so I'll just close my eyes from now on when he's on stage.
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Breezy 18380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-24-05, 08:34 AM (EST)
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21. "Ick" |
Did NOT like his look last night.
He's quickly becoming not my favorite.
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volsfan 19846 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-24-05, 02:09 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: What does he have to do?" |
What the hell u doin over here? I thought you banned yourself?
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brvnkrz 20491 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-24-05, 03:23 PM (EST)
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34. "RE: What does he have to do?" |
my sistahs banned me but they aren't looking and Breezy is an anarchist like I am, so she won't tell. *grin*
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volsfan 19846 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-24-05, 04:37 PM (EST)
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36. "RE: What does he have to do?" |
hehehehe! I banned myself too but look where I am!
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Breezy 18380 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-24-05, 09:59 AM (EST)
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25. "Smile?" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-24-05 AT 10:04 AM (EST)I guess I'm just not into the whole angry white/black man look. Scowling is not a good look.
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niteowl 199 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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02-24-05, 04:54 PM (EST)
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39. "RE: Smile?" |
this was part of my reply to volsfan higher up, but this belongs here:If he has a sweet personality and pleasant demeanor, then he should get it out there, it does NOT come through and he comes off as "creepy".
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okaychatt 2810 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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02-24-05, 05:03 PM (EST)
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40. "RE: Smile?" |
<sweet personality and pleasant demeanorThose aspects certainly didn't come through when he was supposed to be rehearsing with his trio during the tryouts. His attitude set me off, and voice or no, I think it will be his eventual downfall on AI. How can an audience trust someone that refuses to cooperate with and isolates himself from his peers? Doesn't sound like someone who wants groupies to me. Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
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Sweety Tweety 16 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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02-26-05, 07:08 PM (EST)
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44. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
Scott is....well, different. He is not attractive in the least. There really isn't much anyone can do to improve this guys looks. He has a bad attitude, like he is above it all, but in the end, does all this matter?You betcha! Image and personality is everything in my opinion, and if you don't have all three things (image, personality, talent)you are not going to be the next AI. Only time will tell Geekboy. He could amaze everyone, and over the weeks develope an outstanding personality. He certaintly has the voice.
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niteowl 199 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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02-26-05, 08:17 PM (EST)
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45. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
That's right! It's not called "American Voice", but American Idol. Lookin' for the whole package, people. And by the way, Clay actually had something to work with and cleaned up real cute...
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callalilly3000 693 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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02-26-05, 08:28 PM (EST)
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46. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
I couldn't agree with you more! Clay was fixable. He may have started with glasses, big eyebrows, and horrible cloths, but he had something to work with. Scott, however, does not!
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suziekay 13 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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02-27-05, 04:02 AM (EST)
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47. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
o Scott..Not idol material. If you close your eyes he can sing but he doen't have the whole package, personality. He seems to just have a chip on his shoulder. This poor boy whose dad didn't care about him out to prove him wrong. Which there is nothing wrong with that but there are enough artist out there with that attitude. They should give some personality test and "Ability to be a Role Model" test for the pass these people off on us.
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volsfan 19846 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-27-05, 08:28 AM (EST)
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48. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
They should give some personality test and "Ability to be a Role Model" test for the pass these people off on us. Your kidding...right? How do you know Scott could not be a good role model? Because he doesn't have the look?
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suziekay 13 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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02-28-05, 00:55 AM (EST)
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49. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
No. Looks are not it. It's his personality. The way he comes across on screen, mad at the world. I'm not the only one that sees it. Read the prior post.
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volsfan 19846 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-28-05, 08:46 AM (EST)
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50. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-28-05 AT 11:08 AM (EST)Read the prior post I have read the entire thread! I think personality and attitude are things that are very fixable. If Scott wants to be the next American Idol as bad as he thinks he does...he will do whatever it takes to do it. Just like Clay did! ETA: Before someone tries to inform me that Clay didn't win...I know he came in second.
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shanana banana 658 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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02-28-05, 01:05 PM (EST)
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51. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
I LOVE Scott's voice. I am rooting for him.But....... he's got to refine his attitude. The street-hillbilly talk isn't going to wash. And he needs a wardrobe/style adjustment. He's a bit scary. That being said, if they can help him with his image, I think he'll do well. His voice is outstanding and it always amazes me, everytime he starts to sing, that that voice is coming out of that face. ;)
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buckeyefan 11 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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02-28-05, 04:55 PM (EST)
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52. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
They have been talking up Scott here in Cleveland. His whole family looks like him. I guess he had a bad childhood and there was many family disturbances when he was a kid. He has a great voice, but most people don't vote on voice alone.
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shanana banana 658 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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03-02-05, 08:55 AM (EST)
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53. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
I was pleased to see that Scott was "helped" with his look the past two nights, both on performance night and also sitting in the Dog Pound. He looked a lot better, with just the addition of some glasses, a little facial growth coming, and a slightly better wardrobe. He's going to need to keep going in this direction if he wants to stay in the race -- unfortunately, half of AI is about looks, and he needs a "look." He sure can sing his @ss off, tho. Sure don't need no help there. lol
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03-02-05, 01:52 PM (EST)
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54. "RE: Rooting for Scott Savol" |
I am getting a tad...upset, just reading some of the things on here.I will clarify before I go on a bit of a tangent here, that I don't think Scott has a shot in hell at winning due to his image and some people's personalities towards such a thing. Even with last season, Jennifer Hudson, inexplicably, got booted in 6th place IIRC. I think it's rare occurence when either a women with some bulk or an ugly man will have a shot at this (although, I could very well be wrong. I don't have the basis to really definitively say this) competition. As for Scott... We have no clue what we are talking about. It seems like this topic has turned into a judging of a person's personality, demeanor, and self-being based purely on a 3 minute performance and his image alone. He is not an attractive man, and really, there isn't a whole lot he can do about it (unlike Clay). However, we can judge the type of role model he would be by his image and stage presence? I don't see how we can define the guy as mad at the world just because he has that look naturally (from what I can see, I'm not sure). What does looking like a TV criminal have to do with anything? When Constantine is in the wrong camera angle, he has a murderous look in his eye and Bo looks like a stereotypical 60's hippie, and that really means jack ****. Personally, I don't vote or see this as a whole package type of thing. If I wanted something to ogle at, there are plenty of pop stars out there I could stare at for days. I don't see why a person should change his natural look or personality just because he's on American Idol, and FWIW, if he starts smiling for the camera and acting like Ruben did naturally, he's losing my vote. I think a great quality of his personality is the ability to just wipe away the appearence cracks Simon likes to lay upon him.
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blacknwhitedog 6532 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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55. "Scott Savol's family" |
I think Scott Savol is the victim of negative editing.Every week after AI the local FOX channel in Cleveland goes to his family's house. His family seems really nice and very supportive, especially his mom and dad. His dad mentioned last night they are making the trip to Hollywood right after Easter- March 27. Why would they be waiting that long? What if he gets voted off before then?
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