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"Controversy & Manipulation"
Angelfood 2114 desperate attention whore postings
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"Controversy & Manipulation" |
An Analysis of The Apprentice.After 4 or 5 seasons of watching this show, I am truly convinced that the purpose of this show is to create Controversy and generate TALK, at the water-cooler or whatever. Any publicity is good publicity. At the end of every unfair, possibly-racist, controversial Season Finale, I swear not to watch this show ever again. THIS is not the first season any of this has happened. Remember 2 seasons ago, when the Finale turned into a Jennifer M. bashing! I do. Donald and MB chose a truly shitty way to do the ending, thereby putting Randal in a lose-lose situation, which was sure to generate public outcry whatever his decision. They should have never put anyone in that spot. THE OFFER itself was ambiguous, and there are 2 separate issues associated with it: the Title of WInner and giving the loser a job (equal to the winner or otherwise?).
(On the other hand, Randal should have asked Donald more questions about what the question entailed, but I'm sure that he was in shock.) It is said that after the show last night, Ms. Universe told Trump that she would have answered the same as Randal or at least she likened it to the scenario of Trump asking her to share the title with the Runner Up. (I am paraphrasing, and this was reported by Star on the View, who spoke with Trump this morning.) So, whatever one's views on what Should have happened, I hope that more people will recognize DT and MB's role in this, as THEIR FULL RESPONSIBILITY. I don't let myself get caught up or manipulated by them. I recognize this every time. I can't assume that they intended for this to happen or not. But season after season, they seem to thrive on the controversy. They have never issued statements post-show, other than trying to sugar-coat that season's bashing of the contestants. They are going for ratings, BIG surprises, controversy, sensationalism and attention. The byproducts are alot of side-taking, arguing, and setting race relations back 30 years. I hope this is at least thought-provoking as to who the real jerks are.
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12-16-05, 10:36 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Controversy & Manipulation" |
Amen sister. or brother.Yeah, we need a special basher forum, for those of us that watch a few episodes or a few minutes at a time, but know enough to bash DT & Co. anyways. That's the only joy in subjecting ourselves to it.  Made by me Smooches to CSTL/George also. Hey, btw, you need to post in the BE The App thread, probably on pg. 2 by now. DWD - You could always post final remarks from Rebecca, you know, if you're bored or something.
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12-16-05, 09:21 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Controversy & Manipulation" |
It will be interesting to see what Randal has to say a year or two from now about "controversy and manipulation."
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8. "RE: Controversy & Manipulation" |
I tend to disagree...You have to understand that here in the US we (The media and the greedy) for some reason seem to think having one winner is better than two. When in fact, two winners is always better than one.
We forget about the loser of the big game and what the hearts and minds go through. Have you ever lost to something that you truly believe you should have won at? I bet you have as I certainly have.
Just maybe there are situations where two winners can be better than one. Lets take the Super bowl, for example. Have you ever wondered what it is like being on the loosing team just because things didn't go your way on Championship day? Imagine a future Super Bowl where the AFC and the NFC played as hard as they could for 3 hours on national television and at the end of the game the scores were identical and it was a perfect tie. Instead of going into overtime, wouldn't it be nice if the NFL commissioner came out and said "Both of you teams have played the best football we have ever seen and at the end of the game you are perfectly tied". "We believe you should both be Super Bowl Champions this year!" Is this scenario really so bad or is it the greed in us to want to take it all or nothing??? What would the Media want? What would the fans want? And most importantly, what would the teams want? The problem is what the media wants, what greedy people want, and what a good hearted Christian wants are all different things.......... When we are all judged some day in the not to far future, and the creator says to you one simple question "Did you do everything possible to help your fellow human being every time you got the chance, or did you turn your back"? What are you going to say?
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12-16-05, 11:14 PM (EST)
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Like your post, but don't see how its in disagreement with mine. In fact, I rather agree with yours. I don't like competition or sports. In hockey, I always cheer for the goalies (of both teams). I believe that Trump SHOULD have made two offers of jobs. The other issue of having one or 2 Apprentice titles - up for debate. I would have liked 2. My point is :
by putting Randal between a rock and a hard place - it was lose-lose for poor Randal in the arena of public opinion. If he accepted, many people would see him as weak and giving in to Donald's ridiculous and insulting, degrading proposition. If he didn't accept, he looks mean and competitive. IF I were Randal, I would have asked DT probing questions and made him clarify it before I honored him with my answer! ;) Trump could simply have asked Randal the same question before he HIRED Randal, thereby seeming that Randal was the winner. OR even said "Rebecca, you're also Hired" right after saying it to Randal. But the way he did it was evil and selfish and only served to make Randal look bad. I believe that if Rebecca had won first, and been asked the same question: SHe may not have reacted any differently. And if she said no - boy, the ##### would really fly then. And maybe justifiably so. Your Superbowl scenario is good, but is not the same as the show. Closer would be: After not showing the scores, and declaring NFC the winners, the NFC is THEN asked if the AFC should be the winners also. I wish that it HAD been more like your scenario on the show, where they offered both. It's cruel to give it to him, and then ask to yank it away. That's another point I'm making. Opinions on this, anyone? Made by me
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12-17-05, 00:25 AM (EST)
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11. "RE: Agreed w/Angelfood" |
The fault here lies clearly with Donald Trump and Mark Burnett for putting Randall in this position in front of a live audience. They have never done anything like this before (essentially offer the job to two people), and if that was their goal, then it was up to Trump to make the offer, not force Randall into making a quick decision that should never be his to make anyway.
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12. "RE: Controversy & Manipulation" |
I agree with much of what you said, Angelfood. People do get much to wrapped up in these contrived reality shows. I love them, but I do't go postal when the final result is announced, because I realize we are all being shown a twisted reality & manipulation of the facts.The only thing I disagree with is the "lose-lose" situation. I actually saw it a totally different way. Randal could have come off the generous "hero" by allowing Trump to offer Rebecca a job. I don't think it would have taken ANYTHING away from his win, but emphasize it even more. Not only would he have had the title of Apprentice and winning, but by allowing Rebecca to be hired, he would also have her gratitude and respect of many people. I just think that would have elevated him to a higher level. But that's just my opinion. Every year I say I'm done with this show, since the season 2 finale Jen bashing, yet I keep getting sucked it. (I sicken myself  ) I CANNOT stand Trump & his over-inflated ego. I've met him in real life -- not a pretty sight. No amount of money would entice me to sleep with that guy. I know many people screwed over by his "business dealings" & I know confidential inside info on DT Org's bankruptcy filings in NJ, because of what I do for a living. So, my dislike of DT is personal. I actually view "winning" Apprentice as losing, because you are stuck for at least one year to work in the Trump organization. Kelly deserved to win season 2. Bill finally got smart & decided not to renew his contract and will not be working for DT anymore. What's-her-name from Season 3 is never even mentioned by Trump in his interviews of "how great" the winners have been -- every interview I've seen/heard Trump touts Bill the most & Kelly as an afterthought & no mention of what's-her-name. I suspect she is moving on at the end of her 12 months. So, we'll see what Randal does. My verdict is not in on whether Randal "won" or "lost". If he is a man of integrety & truly smart, then he really lost & will be out of there as soon as his year is done. I think he'll be much more successful NOT working for DT and doing the "promotional speaking" tours. He is a phenomenal public speaker & could do really well, IMO. So, I'll weigh in next year on my opinion of Randal. 
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12-17-05, 10:01 AM (EST)
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13. "RE: Controversy & Manipulation" |
>it even more. Not
>only would he have had
>the title of Apprentice and
>winning, but by allowing Rebecca
>to be hired, he would
>also have her gratitude and
>respect of many people. Why do you assume that only HE would have the title? I see the media and/or Trump Org and/or public touting it as 2 winners and 2 apprentices. If not, then, ideally, Trump would have corrected Randal when Randal argued the point that he wanted to be the Sole App. or Trump could have counteroffered (and I'm sure he knows how to do that). I think it would have been BETTER if Randal had come to a deal w/ Trump before giving his Final Answer, but I don't begrudge what he did in the heat of the moment with emotions running high. On people's respect, I do believe there are more people who would have been happier and respected him more (like you), but there's also a significant portion (as evidenced on this board) who would have been Pissed that he gave in to such a demeaning expectation. So, he loses in that millions are pissed either way. >Every year I say I'm done
>with this show, since the
>season 2 finale Jen bashing,
>yet I keep getting sucked
>it. Then join us in the bashing and Be THe App. games! Welcome to the club. > I've met him in
>real life -- not a
>pretty sight. Do Tell. !!!!! > I know many people
>screwed over by his "business
>dealings" & I know confidential
>inside info on DT Org's
>bankruptcy filings in NJ, because
>of what I do for
>a living. So, my
>dislike of DT is personal. I'm sure its completely understandable. Don't you feel bad. I lived there too, and usually people who get to the top have to step on others to get there. I could go on and on, but not here. >I actually view "winning" Apprentice as
>losing, because you are stuck
>for at least one year
>to work in the Trump
>organization. Kelly deserved to
>win season 2. Amen to that, sister! >Bill finally got smart &
>decided not to renew his
>contract and will not be
>working for DT anymore.
>What's-her-name from Season 3 is
>never even mentioned by Trump
>in his interviews of "how
>great" the winners have been
>-- every interview I've seen/heard
>Trump touts Bill the most
>& Kelly as an afterthought
>& no mention of what's-her-name.
> I suspect she is
>moving on at the end
>of her 12 months. I keep saying, "Where is Kendra"? (well, once I called her Sandy, I forgot who won). Bet she's locked up in a dungeon. >So, we'll see what Randal does.
> My verdict is not
>in on whether Randal "won"
>or "lost". If he
>is a man of integrety
>& truly smart, then he
>really lost & will be
>out of there as soon
>as his year is done.
> I think he'll be
>much more successful NOT working
>for DT and doing the
>"promotional speaking" tours. He
>is a phenomenal public speaker
>& could do really well,
>IMO. So, I'll weigh
>in next year on my
>opinion of Randal. Amen to that also. And good for you for holding off judgment - me too! .. Made by me
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12-17-05, 10:11 AM (EST)
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14. "RE: Controversy & Manipulation" |
Every year I say I'm done with this show, since the season 2 finale Jen bashing, yet I keep getting sucked it. (I sicken myself ) I CANNOT stand Trump & his over-inflated ego.OH me too! This season though I finally managed to not even bother watching after the Sirius challenge. I just go to the boards to find out what’s happened. Trump so gets on my nerves. He himself is so full of s—t. I probably won’t watch this show anymore. It’s a ZZZZZZ…… I actually view "winning" Apprentice as losing, because you are stuck for at least one year to work in the Trump organization. I agree. I don’t get why anyone would want to work with him. Especially someone like Randal. I mean most of these people are already really successful and are making tons of money already. The only ones who could really profit by working for Trump are people like Tana, or those working for others, who maybe could expand their business knowledge to go out on their own after. I don’t think it’s any great thing to work for Trump. It’s a step down as far as I’m concerned.
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12-17-05, 01:41 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: Controversy & Manipulation" |
It's kind of nice to get caught up in the drama, but not manipulated by it. Hopefully we'll see some innovative and creative stuff from the Los Angeles show next season.
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12-17-05, 06:17 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: Controversy & Manipulation" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-18-05 AT 01:14 AM (EST)Burnett,Burnett,Burnett(sp)...ughhh...LOL...This whole thing smells like that "Rupert debacle" with Survivor. They placed that man on what I thought was the most favorable team. He doesn't win, so they rigged up some contest for the viewers to pick their favorite Survivor. Knowing the whole time that Rupert was considered the favorite in the entire history of Survivor because Jeff stated such. Of course due to the contest Rupert gets the million - duh! So here we are again with "earned vs. entitlement". Is it just a coincidence? A fluke??? Naw...not when you pull the curtain back and see who's really pulling the strings. Trump & Burnett are the REAL culprits here and not Randal. However it's not even amazing or surprising to me that people think Randal is. No not at all. No matter what decision Randal made it would not have pleased everyone. So I'm glad that Randal stuck by his initial assessment of Rebecca and said no. By doing so he put the decision back in Trumps lap where it rightly belonged. Randal should have never been placed in that position to begin with. I would just like to know what the other contestants thought about all of it. It would interesting to hear their comments. *Edited to replace Reuben with Rupert
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12-18-05, 01:11 AM (EST)
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24. "RE: Controversy & Manipulation" |
Oops you're right! At least I got the "Ru" part right...lol
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20. "RE: Controversy & Manipulation" |
Angelfood: A good post.Donald Trump is all about Donald Trump. His show is a constant advertisement for his greatness in his own view. It's all about him changing the skyline of NYC . . .a memorial to his buildings, his projects, his golf courses, and charity events to show what a philanthropist he is, and finally, that he may be the only person on earth worth working for. Randal was trying to be told that a financial reporter with 3/4 losses should share the Gold Medal, so to speak. He was humiliated by the question, and the wind was knocked out of his sails by being told he was essentially a "Co-Apprentice". Thank God, he stood up and said that Rebecca , in so many words, was not his equal for The Apprentice job. Trump thought "Mr. Nice Guy" would just say, "Yes". Hiring Rebecca was up to Trump, not Randal, and could have been done at a later date, for a lesser job. Trump did that because he thought his show would go out with a bang, and was shocked out of his gourd when Randal (the better man) didn't played the hand he was dealt, Trump's way.
RE: Manipulation. Let's remember the final task was a charity event and Rebecca's team didn't raise a single dime for Children's Aids, had two sentences said by Elizabeth Glazer's son, and one little measly sign regarding the charity. When the #####'s Sporting Goods Challenge went down in flames for not raising enough money, Trump fired 4 people! In addition, Rebecca like a meek little mouse was unable to get Yahoo, (which received free advertising throughout the task in an national and international television venue, to allow her team or the Comedy Emcee (who was anything but funny), to mention the reason why they were putting on the event! Yahoo didn't want to offend their VIP attendees. Who's in charge here? Yahoo needed to be reminded that the gala presentation was put on as a charity event with them as the sponsor. Trump shamed them into coughing up a donation. Rebecca, darling girl that she is, (and we don't know all the details that went on behind the scenes re: her) essentially lost 3 out of 4 tasks and was carried by Randal in the one task she did win. She is clearly adorable and had the gift of snowing Trump, hobbling around on crutches, and saying his name loud and clear to him in every conversation, the ultimate ego-stroker for Trump. And the Toral loyalty. Okay, I'll give her that, but others scratched their heads since Toral was obnoxious and egotistical. oops, that's a description of Trump. Meanwhile, the others on the show knew that Rebecca was not in the same league as Randal, and many of them were really more qualified for the big job, than she was. Enough said.
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12-18-05, 03:29 AM (EST)
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25. "Angelfood, excellent post" |
I never took Trump’s question to Randal seriously. His tone to Randal was not of a serious nature. Trump only mentioned that to create controversy to increase the ratings. If Trump were serious about hiring Rebecca, he would have done so even against Randal’s wishes.
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27. "RE: Angelfood, excellent post" |
He still might hire Rebecca. Didn't he hire Andy of the season before last after the fact? Trump does what he wants.
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33. "RE: Angelfood, excellent post" |
Of course it wasn't serious! I agree completely. I made the mistake of reading these boards before watching the show. Everybody was going on and on about how cruel Randal was at the end. I tuned in to the show, expecting to see Randal drowned out by a chorus of boos after saying "no", looking ashamed; I expected to see Trump stunned and Rebecca angry. I didn't see any of this. Instead, it seemed that Trump was just asking a lighthearted question, to be nice to Rebecca, in the few seconds of time they had left before the end of the show. Nobody took it seriously, except for the people on this message board. There's only one winner on this show.
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why? I am totally agreeing that Randal should have won and that he was the better candidate. (at least I've said that in many other posts around here). And you are a person-basher and will soon begone. you have VIOLATED THE GUIDELINES. not surprised that you didn't even read them or care. Funny, just I just alerted you to the mods in another thread, and here you've given me a second one. Besides, everyone knows that I AM the DT around here. Unless you really are DT or one of his lackeys which would explain why you are mad at my posting. Bwahahaha. DT uses the term "loser" too. But let me also say ftr that I have supported and respected DT in many of my posts here, but I have also chided him for some things. I LOVE it that he was firing 2-4 people at a time, and I think most of his choices (in all seasons) have been justified and I defended him. But I hate the tv drama, competitor bashing and unnecessary, manufactured, sensationalized controversy. I'm very disappointed in him. *sigh*
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