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"I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!"
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"I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
Ok gang, let’s look at this carefully. We all know, without question, that if Trump wanted to hire both candidates he would have. In the same spirit that Trump fired two and four candidates at once, he could have hired two. I believe Trump was uncomfortable making the right decision to hire Randall, due to his deeply rooted, conscious or subconscious racism. In the moment of Randall’s expression of joyous triumph, Trump just couldn’t handle it, and made a split decision to drop the ball in Randall’s lap to also hire Rebecca.There was not comparison between the two candidates. Randall had an undefeated record, was constantly pulled from on team to another when given the opportunity by Trump to add a member to an existing team, and performed well in spite of loosing his grandmother during the taping of the show (which Trump managed to forget, but didn’t hesitate to bring-up Rebecca’s sprained ankle) . Furthermore, Randall is the only candidate who is the “total package” in terms of academic accomplishments, professionalism/business smarts and interpersonal skills. Doesn’t anyone remember when Randall soothed Rebecca, after Carol made a comment during the last task in which Rebecca was the project manger (SIRRUS)? My God, even the Wicked Witch of the West supported Randall! There was not a close match between the candidates – Trump is a racist bastard!
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12-16-05, 10:56 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
I agree. Kwamee was a far better runner up than Rebecca. Rebecca with a 1-3 record, who had little respect from those who worked with her, and played the pity card to the max. Trump obviously had a hard on for Rebecca, because Randell was obviously out of her league. In the end she raised 0$ at a charity event. Shame on Trump for underestimating the honesting and intellegence of Randell.
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12-16-05, 11:18 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
I believe he did suprise Trump. Trump knows he would have done the same thing.
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12-16-05, 11:25 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
It has been done before, last winter Olympics 2002, the Russian Pairs skaters did not have as good of a program as the Canadians, the Canadians ended up with the silver and the Russians gold, the IOC took the rare step and awarding dual gold medals to both teams, they even had a new medal ceremony where both teams were praised and each got to hear their anthem and see their flags raised. The fact that they shared the gold does not take away from either teams perfomance.
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12-16-05, 11:55 AM (EST)
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11. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
>It has been done before, last
>winter Olympics 2002, the Russian
>Pairs skaters did not have
>as good of a program
>as the Canadians, the Canadians
>ended up with the silver
>and the Russians gold, the
>IOC took the rare step
>and awarding dual gold medals
>to both teams, they even
>had a new medal ceremony
>where both teams were praised
>and each got to hear
>their anthem and see their
>flags raised. The fact that
>they shared the gold does
>not take away from either
>teams perfomance.
This was the result of an Olympic judging scandal involving bribery in the form of one nation’s judge issuing inflated scoring in exchange for some other favor from another nation’s judge.
This is a poor example in response to the issue at hand.
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12-16-05, 11:28 AM (EST)
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6. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
Here's an excerpt from one book, with a complete bibliographic citation for people who want to buy it for themselves.I haven't heard of The Donald retracting any part of these quoted statements. I also have heard of no lawsuits against the author of the book. From: "Trumped!: The Inside Story of the Real Donald Trump - His Cunning Rise & Spectacular Fall," by John R. O'Donnell, former president, Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, pages 147-149: "Our lunch at Trump Tower concluded with a discussion of personnel. Donald brought a unique approach to this as well. "Tell me about Steve Hyde," he said. Of course, I had nothing but the highest regard for Steve and I told Donald so. "Yeah, that's my man," he quickly added. "I have to tell you," he went on, "I feel real good about the quality of people he's brought in. It's been a real positive for us." Then just as quickly he changed course. "So who do you think is doing a shitty job?" he asked. I told him no one. But he went down a list of names until we got to a finance employee of Trump Plaza, who happened to be black. "What do you think of him?" Donald asked. I said I was familiar with his abilities, and he had shortcomings. "To be honest, I don't think he's the best we can have," I said. "I'd like to see him either come up to speed, where he can help me a lot more, or maybe there's something else he can do." Instantly, Donald was enthused. "Yeah, I never liked the guy. I don't think he knows what the ##### he's doing. My accountants up in New York are always complaining about him. He's not responsive. And isn't it funny, I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else." I couldn't believe I was hearing this. But Donald went on, "Besides that, I've got to tell you something else. I think that the guy is lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It's not anything they can control.... Don't you agree?" He looked me square in the eye and waited for my reply. "Donald, you really shouldn't say things like that to me or anybody else," I said. "That is not the kind of image you want to project. We shouldn't even be having this conversation, even if it's the way you feel." "Yeah, you're right," he said. "If anybody ever heard me say that...holy #####...I'd be in a lot of trouble. But I have to tell you, that's the way I feel." "Well, I have to tell you, I don't agree with you. We've got people at the Plaza doing good jobs, we've got people doing jobs that are not so good. It's got nothing to do with the color of anybody's skin." He gave a short chop with his hand, as if to wave away my point of view. "Ah, it's a trait. Anyway I'm glad to hear you're going to get rid of the guy." I hadn't said that. So I corrected him. "Donald, I'd like to see what the guy can do. Let's just wait and see. If we continue to have problems in the finance area, then yes, maybe he doesn't have the ability, and I'll think about a replacement." Donald was satisfied with that. But for months afterward he continued to press me to fire the man. Ultimately the executive resigned to pursue other opportunities." --Singer
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12-16-05, 11:58 AM (EST)
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12. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
>Here's an excerpt from one book,
>with a complete bibliographic citation
>for people who want to
>buy it for themselves.
>
>I haven't heard of The Donald
>retracting any part of these
>quoted statements. I also
>have heard of no lawsuits
>against the author of the
>book.
>
>From: "Trumped!: The Inside Story of
>the Real Donald Trump -
>His Cunning Rise & Spectacular
>Fall," by John R. O'Donnell,
>former president, Trump Plaza Hotel
>& Casino, pages 147-149:
>
>"Our lunch at Trump Tower concluded
>with a discussion of personnel.
>Donald brought a unique approach
>to this as well. "Tell
>me about Steve Hyde," he
>said.
>
>Of course, I had nothing but
>the highest regard for Steve
>and I told Donald so.
>"Yeah, that's my man," he
>quickly added. "I have to
>tell you," he went on,
>"I feel real good about
>the quality of people he's
>brought in. It's been a
>real positive for us." Then
>just as quickly he changed
>course. "So who do you
>think is doing a shitty
>job?" he asked.
>
>I told him no one. But
>he went down a list
>of names until we got
>to a finance employee of
>Trump Plaza, who happened to
>be black.
>
>"What do you think of him?"
>Donald asked.
>
>I said I was familiar with
>his abilities, and he had
>shortcomings. "To be honest, I
>don't think he's the best
>we can have," I said.
>"I'd like to see him
>either come up to speed,
>where he can help me
>a lot more, or maybe
>there's something else he can
>do."
>
>Instantly, Donald was enthused. "Yeah, I
>never liked the guy. I
>don't think he knows what
>the ##### he's doing. My
>accountants up in New York
>are always complaining about him.
>He's not responsive. And isn't
>it funny, I've got black
>accountants at Trump Castle and
>at Trump Plaza. Black guys
>counting my money! I hate
>it. The only kind of
>people I want counting my
>money are short guys that
>wear yarmulkes every day. Those
>are the kind of people
>I want counting my money.
>Nobody else."
>
>I couldn't believe I was hearing
>this. But Donald went on,
>"Besides that, I've got to
>tell you something else. I
>think that the guy is
>lazy. And it's probably not
>his fault because laziness is
>a trait in blacks. It
>really is, I believe that.
>It's not anything they can
>control.... Don't you agree?" He
>looked me square in the
>eye and waited for my
>reply.
>
>"Donald, you really shouldn't say things
>like that to me or
>anybody else," I said. "That
>is not the kind of
>image you want to project.
>We shouldn't even be having
>this conversation, even if it's
>the way you feel."
>
>"Yeah, you're right," he said. "If
>anybody ever heard me say
>that...holy #####...I'd be in a
>lot of trouble. But I
>have to tell you, that's
>the way I feel."
>
>"Well, I have to tell you,
>I don't agree with you.
>We've got people at the
>Plaza doing good jobs, we've
>got people doing jobs that
>are not so good. It's
>got nothing to do with
>the color of anybody's skin."
>
>
>He gave a short chop with
>his hand, as if to
>wave away my point of
>view. "Ah, it's a trait.
>Anyway I'm glad to hear
>you're going to get rid
>of the guy."
>
>I hadn't said that. So I
>corrected him. "Donald, I'd like
>to see what the guy
>can do. Let's just wait
>and see. If we continue
>to have problems in the
>finance area, then yes, maybe
>he doesn't have the ability,
>and I'll think about a
>replacement."
>
>Donald was satisfied with that. But
>for months afterward he continued
>to press me to fire
>the man. Ultimately the executive
>resigned to pursue other opportunities."
>
>
>--Singer Singer, thanks for posting this.
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12-16-05, 11:54 AM (EST)
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10. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
>If Trump is such a racist,
>why didn't he fire Randall
>the first episode?Why? for what reason? care to explain? In fact,
>why did he even retain
>him for the show? Because most of those kinds of personalities always say my best friend is black, asian etc. No,
>Trump did nothing but kiss
>his a$$ and put him
>in charge of a gazillion
>dollar ego project. What a
>racist.
>
Randall won't be in charge. He will be the apprentice, there to learn. Trump don't want to teach him all of his secrets anyway.(heh heh) >Remember this my race-baiting friend: MONEY
>HAS ONLY ONE COLOR- Trump
>and all his robber-baron ilk
>are only looking for the
>person who will make them
>the most MONEY. Race is
>superfluous. If they were ignorant
>enough to be truly racist,
>they would never have been
>millionaires to begin with.
You are sooo naive. Wake up and smell the coffee.
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12-19-05, 11:50 AM (EST)
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17. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
>>>If Trump is such a racist,
>>>why didn't he fire Randall
>>>the first episode? In fact,
>>>why did he even retain
>>>him for the show? No,
>>>Trump did nothing but kiss
>>>his a$$ and put him
>>>in charge of a gazillion
>>>dollar ego project. What a
>>>racist.
>
>>
>>Because he couldn’t, Randall never lost
>>and was always the apprentice
>>of choice by both teams.
>>
>>I fail to see how or
>>when trump kissed Randall’s A$$.
>>
>
>Trump was able to say whatever
>he wanted in any boardroom,
>he was able to have
>the show's footage cut to
>make Randall look bad, and
>he was able to assign
>a task that Randall's team
>would be likely to lose.
>He did none of those
>things. Trump was even able
>to say which team won
>each week. He often could
>have lied about which team
>raised the most money in
>a challenge, putting Randall up
>for elimination even if Randall's
>team did the best. The
>reported numbers were never audited.
>Randall simply would not be
>Trump's choice if Trump was
>a racist.
You have to understand the difference between overt racism and covert racism.
Overt racism is the type racism that you are alluding to in terms of the many things that you feel DT could have done if he were a racist. Covert racism is what I am referring to when I initiated this thread. This type of behavior is sometimes subconscious (but not always), and motivates a person to do things based on his or her racist attitude. After reading the book excerpt, it is clear in the case of DT that he is a racist and is also conscious of it.
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12-16-05, 12:00 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
I think DT just lost some mass in the "balls" department.
Randall is a fine candidate and should have been hired,
but Rebecca was a fine candidate also.
Trump should have trusted himself more.
http://spaces.msn.com/members/CarlaPfeiffer/
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12-19-05, 01:01 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
Trump doesnt hire Randall- he's racist. He does hore Randall, he's racist- GIVE ME A BREAK
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12-19-05, 01:38 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
>Trump doesnt hire Randall- he's racist.
>He does hore Randall, he's
>racist- GIVE ME A BREAK
>
Or maybe he's just a deluded individual.
He made the statements in the book before he hired Randal. He has never retracted the statements, but he has taken the time to give an interview where he described Randal as "lazy" before he hired him. (Yeah, right--a "lazy" Rhodes Scholar. We don't think so.) Anyway, we all need a break from Trump's inconsistent behaviour, including that ignorant stunt he pulled after he was forced to hire the best person for the job. Trump definitely has problems. --Singer
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12-19-05, 01:56 PM (EST)
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20. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
Randall could be smart and also lazy- the 2 are not mutually exclusive- I definitely think that Rebecca had much more engery than Randall- he was barely doing anything on the last task. this has nothing to do with race. anyone can be lazy. randall may be "laid back" and trump sees that as lazy b/c the others (Alla, Rebecca, etc were MUCH more intense)
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12-20-05, 09:56 AM (EST)
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27. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
"other than these alleged statements in the book, trump has given zero indication that he is a racist and it seems that only on these boards is it an issue."The book provides enough data for me to believe that the comments are not "alleged." Also, the hiring patterns in his organisation suggest that he is not disposed to hire many women or people of colour in the upper reaches of his company. As far as what I have read in the book is concerned, it seems that the author was wearing a wire when they talked. The Donald's racist comments are far too specific for it to have been otherwise. So I believe the author must have proof that The Donald said those awful things. Otherwise, there likely would have been a lawsuit. The Donald's image is far too important for him to ignore having been slandered, and I haven't read or heard about a lawsuit against the author of the book. Anytime a powerful person is publicly excoriated for being racist or sexist, it is a good thing, because racism is a bad thing, and sexism is a bad thing. I am willing to wager that more people than the few of us writing on these boards are offended by Trump's comments about Jews and blacks. The fact that they have not gotten involved in the process of posting messages about their feelings does not unprove their probable rejection of The Donald's horrible social attitudes. --Singer
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12-20-05, 01:03 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
>You know singer, with all due
>respect I've lurked here a
>long time and I've read
>all the other seasons' forums
>for The Apprentice. The
>discussions always turn to racism
>and sexism and whatever-ism.
>Those subject have been very
>debated heavily here and I,
>for one, don't feel inclined
>to go there again, but
>of course others can if
>they like. And if
>people really feel strongly about
>the racism issue, IMO they
>should just utilize the search
>function to search the archives
>for those discussions.
>
>There's simply nothing else to be
>said. It would all just
>be re-hashing.
>
DooWahDitty,
I initiated this thread not Singer, and I am new to this board. Therefore, I haven’t hashed and rehashed the topic of “isms.” My post was generated by the outlandish incident that I witnessed during the finale it this seasons Apprentice. The fact that Randall was not the hands-down winner from DT’s perspective began to trouble me during the final show. Clearly, based on previous seasons of the Apprentice, the winner was always the person with the best overall track record. Initially, I thought that DT’s hemming and hawing was just to add suspense to the big finale. When he announced Randall as the winner, and then tried to get him to hire Rebecca, I was appalled. So, please allow those of us who are new to the board an opportunity to share our perceptions, and also understand that the topic of “isms” may just be a reflection of this nation’s workforce as a whole, particularly the corporate structure.
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12-20-05, 01:24 PM (EST)
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30. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-20-05 AT 01:28 PM (EST)Hi, ScorpioRising, and welcome to the forums. You are perfectly free to do that, and I certainly respect your being a new member of the board, and bringing up issues you want to. However, I feel that because the issue of racism has literally been discussed to extremely great lengths in all of the previous seasons, we should be linking to those discussions. Frankly, with the holiday season directly upon us I don't have the time or the inclination to do that, and I doubt that anyone else does either. I think Trump's question to Randal in the finale was more about pandering to people's admiration of Rebecca for whatever reasons they had admiration, and about her ankle. I truly think that's all it was. It was his way of saying "You go, girl." There is absolutely NO WAY that Trump could not be impressed by Randal Pinkett. Did you watch the LKL show last night? I am quite positive that Trump is THRILLED to have Randal in his organization. He's probably more worried about Randal bolting after one year, to wit, his comment "I hope Randal is with my organization for years to come." I don't see the racism. For me, it just isn't there.
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12-20-05, 01:52 PM (EST)
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32. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
>LAST EDITED ON 12-20-05
>AT 01:28 PM (EST)
>
>Hi, ScorpioRising, and welcome to the
>forums. You are perfectly
>free to do that, and
>I certainly respect your being
>a new member of the
>board, and bringing up issues
>you want to.
>
>However, I feel that because the
>issue of racism has literally
>been discussed to extremely great
>lengths in all of the
>previous seasons, we should be
>linking to those discussions.
>Frankly, with the holiday season
>directly upon us I don't
>have the time or the
>inclination to do that, and
>I doubt that anyone else
>does either.
>
>I think Trump's question to Randal
>in the finale was more
>about pandering to people's admiration
>of Rebecca for whatever reasons
>they had admiration, and about
>her ankle. I truly
>think that's all it was.
> It was his way
>of saying "You go, girl."
>
>
>There is absolutely NO WAY that
>Trump could not be impressed
>by Randal Pinkett. Did
>you watch the LKL show
>last night? I am
>quite positive that Trump is
>THRILLED to have Randal in
>his organization. He's probably
>more worried about Randal bolting
>after one year, to wit,
>his comment "I hope Randal
>is with my organization for
>years to come."
>
>I don't see the racism.
>For me, it just isn't
>there.
My point exactly!
That is why I use the term “perception.”
You don’t see it – but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Furthermore, your rationale for what DT feels and thinks is not based on your personal experience having known or worked with him. It is based on what you’d like it to be, unlike the author of the passage in the book, who was an actual spectator to what DT feels and thinks.
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12-20-05, 02:48 PM (EST)
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34. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
I think bringing up the fact that people can't know what someone else is truly thinking or feeling is a complete waste of time. It's stating the obvious.
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31. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
Wage and earnings differentials between white males and similarly situated white women and between white males and similarly situated people across all ethnic and gender cohorts remain vast. Go to the Bureau of Labour Statistics website at www.bls.gov for more information. The question in a supposedly colour-blind and sex-blind America is: Why?Subjective decision-making drives managers in choice situations like those presented on The Apprentice. It makes sense that some people may wonder why people with the same levels of preparation and performance in the same jobs make different amounts of money. It also makes sense that some people wonder why deserving and high-performing people never make it to the top levels of many corporate organisations in America. In spite of their training and performance, they never get to compete in the upper reaches of corporate organisations. They never get to compete there, because they never get hired for those jobs. It is completely nonsensical that all cohorts of similarly prepared and high-performing workers are not making similar amounts of money. Other subjective considerations (like racism and sexism) likely have some negative bearing on wage and earnings levels of people who are not white males. So wage and earnings differentials continue to exist in a country where people claim that there is equal access for high performers in social and business institutions. Subjective decision-making ensures that this is not the case. What The Donald's shenanigans proved is that people in positions of power can "make sociology" by excluding high performers (examples: Alla from Season 4 and Amy Henry from Season 1) to achieve pre-determined hiring results that they want. (Examples abound: like placing an undeserving Rebecca in the finals or ensuring that Boyfriend Bill would never have to compete head-to-head with Amy Henry in the finals of Season 1). Systematic exclusion continues to exist in corporate America. The Donald's behaviour on this show highlights this fact. The inconsistencies become more glaring when he pontificates that the show is "business" to him, rather than mere entertainment. --Singer
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43. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
>Yep, and that was spearheaded by
>peeps like Mr. Bakke, who
>back in the 1970's challenged
>the affirmative action laws while
>trying to get into UC
>Davis Medical School. (I
>briefly attended his alma mater
>around that time.) He
>did the school proud by
>graduating with very high honors.
>
If you recall, Mr. Bakke was denied admission not because he wasn’t a minority, but because he was too advanced in age to be considered a viable candidate for the rigors of a medical school residency program. Unlike law, business and other graduate school programs, a candidate’s age is considered a factor in a medical school's selection process.
Does he have a medical practice now? Did he ever? Is he alive?
What happened to him - never heard anything else about him.
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47. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
And that was because.....?! 
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55. "RE: Allan Bakke update" |
>Well that may be true, but
>when I was there (many,
>many moons ago) it was
>crawlin with peeps on bikes. Do you mean motorcycles or bicycles?
I was a toddler then, but it appeared to be a very exciting time to be a young adult.
>I'll try to find the Allan
>Bakke info. I'm curious
>now.
Great!
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68. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
>LAST EDITED ON 12-20-05
>AT 07:56 PM (EST)
>
>>How did you arrive at the
>>conclusion that DT was slandered?
>>
>>
>>As I stated before, DT could
>>and would sue the pants
>>off of someone who slandered
>>him. No one, in his
>>or her right mind, would
>>put something like that in
>>writing unless it was true.
>
>Didn't you call him a "racist
>bastard" in the original post?
> Clearly that's your opinion,
>but that doesn't make it
>fact. There is very
>little evidence that that is
>the case. By making
>such a sweeping, malicious statement
>about someone's character with little
>evidence to support it, you
>may be exposing your own
>bias on the matter.
1. Exposing one's personal bias is not co-equal with having slandered someone.
2. The poster's statement apparently is based on racist statements that The Donald made against blacks and Jews in a book. 3. The Donald has not publicly refuted those statements. 4. It does not follow that the poster's comment is slanderous, because apparently, it is not false.
--Singer
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74. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
>>LAST EDITED ON 12-20-05
>>AT 07:56 PM (EST)
>>
>>>How did you arrive at the
>>>conclusion that DT was slandered?
>>>
>>>
>>>As I stated before, DT could
>>>and would sue the pants
>>>off of someone who slandered
>>>him. No one, in his
>>>or her right mind, would
>>>put something like that in
>>>writing unless it was true.
>>
>>Didn't you call him a "racist
>>bastard" in the original post?
>> Clearly that's your opinion,
>>but that doesn't make it
>>fact. There is very
>>little evidence that that is
>>the case. By making
>>such a sweeping, malicious statement
>>about someone's character with little
>>evidence to support it, you
>>may be exposing your own
>>bias on the matter.
>
>
>1. Exposing one's personal bias is
>not co-equal with having slandered
>someone.
>
>2. The poster's statement apparently is
>based on racist statements that
>The Donald made against blacks
>and Jews in a book.
>
>
>3. The Donald has not publicly
>refuted those statements.
>
>4. It does not follow that
>the poster's comment is slanderous,
>because apparently, it is not
>false.
>
>
>--Singer
Singer,
I couldn’t have said it better!
Thanks,
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22. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
LAST EDITED ON 12-19-05 AT 04:17 PM (EST)>Trump doesnt hire Randall- he's racist.
>He does hore Randall, he's
>racist- GIVE ME A BREAK
>
I once worked for a guy who was not only a racist, but disliked gays, as well. He headed a small, but major department with his choice of staff in a company of thousands. His people were envied within the company for their glamour jobs and great pay. He was envied for having one of the best departments of its kind of any company in the country. This racist/homophobe personally picked: one gay supervisor, one black supervisor who back in the day when they worked together in another department, had sued him for racial discrimination - and WON, and 2 straight white male supervisors. Out of about 25 professional employees, 2 were black male; 4 were black female; 5 were gay men along with 4 straight white females and 10 straight white males.
So why did this man whom everyone knew was a racist and homophobe, hire more minorities and gays than I've ever seen in a department in any company? Because he considered himself to be the best department head and he would accept nothing but the best people. Because his diverse staff were so loyal and did such outstanding jobs they not only elevated HIS status within the company, but every week, letters from major and international corporations came into the office asking him to come and head their departments. Because his diverse staff made HIM a Superstar. So, yeah, you can be a racist and still hire minorities.
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36. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
>There was not a close match
>between the candidates – Trump
>is a racist bastard! I am saddened by these types of accusations. Seeing racism where it is not there is really a sign of a bias on your part and sadly actually perpetuates the kind of racism you condemn. Rebecca was a remarkable candidate, but it was clear that Randal should win - and he did. However the course of the show (declining ratings inspiring Trump to mix things up with mass firings, etc.) combined with Rebecca's obvious talent made DT think about adding the twist at the end. I think he was trying to show that competition is great, but sometimes even in business it's not a zero-sum game, i.e. just because you win (which Randal clearly did) does not mean everyone else has to lose. It would have been a great inspiring ending, and by the way would have been a very savvy political decision by Randal. To be truly great in business you have to understand relationships and image (as Yahoo realized when they had to make amends on the last show). It's not just about what's on your resume, it's how people feel about you to some degree that determines your success. I have to admire and respect the person I work for, not just be impressed with their brilliance/acheivements/etc. So please please please everyone stop bringing up the race issue - it obscures the facts of what really happened and does a disservice to those cases where racism really is involved (which of course still does happen sadly).
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41. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
>>There was not a close match
>>between the candidates – Trump
>>is a racist bastard!
>
>I am saddened by these types
>of accusations. Seeing racism
>where it is not there
>is really a sign of
>a bias on your part
>and sadly actually perpetuates the
>kind of racism you condemn.
>
>
>Rebecca was a remarkable candidate, but
>it was clear that Randal
>should win - and he
>did. However the course
>of the show (declining ratings
>inspiring Trump to mix things
>up with mass firings, etc.)
>combined with Rebecca's obvious talent
>made DT think about adding
>the twist at the end.
> I think he was
>trying to show that competition
>is great, but sometimes even
>in business it's not a
>zero-sum game, i.e. just because
>you win (which Randal clearly
>did) does not mean everyone
>else has to lose.
>It would have been a
>great inspiring ending, and by
>the way would have been
>a very savvy political decision
>by Randal. To be
>truly great in business you
>have to understand relationships and
>image (as Yahoo realized when
>they had to make amends
>on the last show).
>It's not just about what's
>on your resume, it's how
>people feel about you to
>some degree that determines your
>success. I have to
>admire and respect the person
>I work for, not just
>be impressed with their brilliance/acheivements/etc.
>
>
>So please please please everyone stop
>bringing up the race issue
>- it obscures the facts
>of what really happened and
>does a disservice to those
>cases where racism really is
>involved (which of course still
>does happen sadly). Jetpack, Read the title of this thread (post #6 has the excerpt that I am referring to). You appear to be uniformed as to why I made this statement.
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63. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
I agree 100% that racism had nothing to do with anything here but I dont agree that it was clear randall should have won. I dont think that is clear at all.
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64. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
>
>I agree 100% that racism had
>nothing to do with anything
>here but I dont agree
>that it was clear randall
>should have won. I dont
>think that is clear at
>all.
It is entirely clear to me that Randal should have won. It is entirely clear that Rebecca did not earn the right to be in the finals. It is entirely clear to me that Alla should have been a finalist.
Given The Donald's track record in NOT hiring many minorities and women for high level positions in his company, and given what he is quoted to have said in the book, I am skeptical about the position that race had no bearing on his nonsensical decision to change the rules at the last minute. I do not trust The Donald to do the right thing, and he certainly seemed pained to have to choose Randal. Given Randal's background and performance record, The Donald should have been as clear about his choice as he was for Robot Kelly, but he was not. So I am skeptical about The Donald's motives here. Why the differential treatment when the winner had the best background of any candidate in the history of the show? --Singer
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65. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
>It is entirely clear to me
>that Randal should have won. Totally agree - the guy is a star. He's brilliant, a great leader, great communicator, and very effective at producing results. > It is entirely clear
>that Rebecca did not earn
>the right to be in
>the finals. That's debatable - obviously since everyone's debating it  I think she's great for her age and experience, and much better than most of the other candidates. >It is
>entirely clear to me that
>Alla should have been a
>finalist. This I truly don't understand. Ok, so she's bright and decisive and clearly can handle the rough world of hardball corporate business, but she's so mean-spirited and vindictive that even DT couldn't stand her - people like that are so toxic that they poison any environment they are in despite their talents. Ultimately to be successful in business you have to have some decent ability to build and sustain relationships, and poor Alla really needs to work on her "people skills". >do not trust The Donald
>to do the right thing,
>and he certainly seemed pained
>to have to choose Randal. Did anyone else see this? If anything he seemed to be in awe of how talented/educucated/successful Randal is. Seemed like he was proud to hire Randal. I think however he might have been pained in not knowing what to do about Rebecca. He know Randal was the obvious winner, but he had a soft spot for Rebecca (deserved or not) and wanted her to have some recognition too. Seemed to have absolutely nothing to do with race to me. >Given Randal's background and performance record,
>The Donald should have been
>as clear about his choice
>as he was for Robot
>Kelly, but he was not. This is a fair statement - Randal is definately supoerior to that Kelly guy. However, comparing one season to the next might be problematic. Any show's dynamics change over time. >So I am skeptical about The
>Donald's motives here.
>
>Why the differential treatment when the
>winner had the best background
>of any candidate in the
>history of the show? I think his motives were to 1.)give Rebecca some recognition since she had really made an impression on him and 2.)throw a twist into the final show to keep things interesting (i.e. for ratings).
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12-21-05, 10:13 AM (EST)
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66. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
I think you are right about most of this. But in terms of a rules-oriented process, and The Donald's unrefuted racist statements about blacks and Jews, some of the logic may not apply.If The Donald had not made the racist statements quoted in the book, I would be of the opinion that Rebecca should have received a post-finale offer, as did Amy Henry (clearly a better player than anybody in the entire history of the show). I would also think that Marshawn, Alla, and some of the male players from this season should have been afforded the same courtesy. I use the word courtesy, because according to the rules of the game, none of these people earned the right to be in the finals based on their performance, with the exception of Alla. (I am not an Alla supporter at all; I do not like her personality. I am only speaking about the application of rules in a competitive job selection environment.) My knowledge of The Donald's racist statements made me think that he appeared pained to hire Randal. He had also said that Randal was lazy in an article that was published prior to the finale. The image he attempted to create was stereotypical and completely nonsensical. One does not win a Rhodes Scholarship AND pass an Oxford exit exam if one is lazy. I speak from personal experience on this. The thought that entered my mind when I read about the interview was, "Well, it makes sense that this kind of statement would come from The Donald, because he hates blacks. And he probably doesn't want to hire Randal anyway, so he is trying to create a pre-finale fiction that Randal is incompetent." So I am most offended by what I perceive to be The Donald's racist attitudes and his unwillingness to play the game by one set of rules. I am particularly offended that he would switch the rules when the clearest winner happened to be black--especially when he has made horrible statements about blacks and Jews and their work habits. For disenfranchised people in this country, rules are the only thing that provide protection, particularly in cut-throat environments of this type. And far too often, the rules work against them. I use the unfortunate outcome of this show as a cogent case-in-point. --Singer
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12-21-05, 11:51 AM (EST)
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73. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
>I think you are right about
>most of this. But
>in terms of a rules-oriented
>process, and The Donald's unrefuted
>racist statements about blacks and
>Jews, some of the logic
>may not apply.
>
>If The Donald had not made
>the racist statements quoted in
>the book, I would be
>of the opinion that Rebecca
>should have received a post-finale
>offer, as did Amy Henry
>(clearly a better player than
>anybody in the entire history
>of the show).
>
>I would also think that Marshawn,
>Alla, and some of the
>male players from this season
>should have been afforded the
>same courtesy. I use
>the word courtesy, because according
>to the rules of the
>game, none of these people
>earned the right to be
>in the finals based on
>their performance, with the exception
>of Alla. (I am
>not an Alla supporter at
>all; I do not like
>her personality. I am only
>speaking about the application of
>rules in a competitive job
>selection environment.)
>
>My knowledge of The Donald's racist
>statements made me think that
>he appeared pained to hire
>Randal. He had also
>said that Randal was lazy
>in an article that was
>published prior to the finale.
> The image he attempted
>to create was stereotypical and
>completely nonsensical. One does
>not win a Rhodes Scholarship
>AND pass an Oxford exit
>exam if one is lazy.
> I speak from personal
>experience on this.
>
>The thought that entered my mind
>when I read about the
>interview was, "Well, it makes
>sense that this kind of
>statement would come from The
>Donald, because he hates blacks.
> And he probably doesn't
>want to hire Randal anyway,
>so he is trying to
>create a pre-finale fiction that
>Randal is incompetent."
>
>So I am most offended by
>what I perceive to be
>The Donald's racist attitudes and
>his unwillingness to play the
>game by one set of
>rules. I am particularly
>offended that he would switch
>the rules when the clearest
>winner happened to be black--especially
>when he has made horrible
>statements about blacks and Jews
>and their work habits.
>
>For disenfranchised people in this country,
>rules are the only thing
>that provide protection, particularly in
>cut-throat environments of this type.
> And far too often,
>the rules work against them.
> I use the unfortunate
>outcome of this show as
>a cogent case-in-point.
>
>--Singer “He had also said that Randal was lazy in an article that was published prior to the finale.” WHAT!!!!!!
The man is unbelievable; he really did see the writing on the wall and started running scared. I have stated, since joining this board a few weeks ago, that Randall was clearly the best overall candidate in the show. DT must have known as well, and started fretting over it when he made that statement.
“For disenfranchised people in this country, rules are the only thing that provide protection, particularly in cut-throat environments of this type. And far too often, the rules work against them. I use the unfortunate outcome of this show as a cogent case-in-point.”
Excellent point.
This is a classic example of when the rules change in order to undermine the target. It is interesting as to how some are finding it difficult to understand the negative impact a decision like DT’s suggestion of hiring Rebecca has on Randal. It’s a method or undermining his win and detracts from it by A) Having Randal spend his “moment of glory” defending his decision not to hire Rebecca instead of having his “moment of glory,” or B) If he had chosen to hire her, having Randal share his “moment of glory” with Rebecca. No matter how you look at it’s a lose-lose situation for Randall. How very clever Donald!
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12-21-05, 05:38 PM (EST)
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82. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
>So I am most offended by
>what I perceive to be
>The Donald's racist attitudes and
>his unwillingness to play the
>game by one set of
>rules. I am particularly
>offended that he would switch
>the rules when the clearest
>winner happened to be black--especially
>when he has made horrible
>statements about blacks and Jews
>and their work habits.
>
>For disenfranchised people in this country,
>rules are the only thing
>that provide protection, particularly in
>cut-throat environments of this type.
> And far too often,
>the rules work against them. Quite a thoughtful and insightful reply, singer - I have to admit, you've got me thinking (more) about this. I can only say that I didn't *perceive* any racism when I watched the show (I had no knowledge of these alleged racist comments at the time and I still don't know how credible the source is), but that doesn't mean it wasn't there playing some role in the decision. On the other hand, even if he is a raging racist, that might not have been the reason he made what many feel was a real judgement error at the end of the show. The rules on this show have changed over several seasons and particularly in this last season. When he fired four people at once which was clearly against the rules no one seemed upset, so his changing of the rules at the end might have just been part of that strategy he had of mixing things up to keep things interesting. Or it might have just been a boneheaded miscalculation. Or maybe he really does hate Randal because he's black and wanted to humiliate him. Kind of hard to know for certain, so all were left with is our perceptions. So then that's why I agree with you about rules in general - they should be fair and consistently applied to everyone equally to avoid this kind of problem.
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12-21-05, 11:01 AM (EST)
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69. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
"Rebecca was a remarkable candidate, but it was clear that Randal should win - and he did."Rebecca was not remotely remarkable. Attractive, articulate, gritty, yes, but not remarkable. There are far too many people who bested her in every season of the show, and specifically in this season. "So please please please everyone stop bringing up the race issue - it obscures the facts of what really happened and does a disservice to those cases where racism really is involved (which of course still does happen sadly)." Race obscures nothing here, it shines a light on the crux of this entire debacle. It provides the framework from where The Donald's racist comments about blacks and Jews sprang--comments that he has not refuted. He only told Larry King that it was "inappropriate" to bring race into this discussion. How can it be inappropriate when apparently his attitudes about blacks and Jews tells everything about his hiring patterns within the Trump organisation? If The Donald completely repudiates the statements that he made in the book, then I will feel differently about this entire set of developments. Randal and Marshawn and other black candidates will likely feel differently as well. They probably read these blogs, and they probably know about the horrible statements that The Donald made against blacks and Jews in that book. Larry King certainly knew something. The rest of America needs to know that The Donald's yammering about meritocracy has nothing to do with his true feelings toward minorities. --Singer
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12-21-05, 12:14 PM (EST)
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75. "RE: I now believe the excerpt from the book in which DT was revealed as being a racist!" |
>"Rebecca was a remarkable candidate, but
>it was clear that Randal
>should win - and he
>did."
>
>Rebecca was not remotely remarkable. Attractive,
>articulate, gritty, yes, but not
>remarkable. There are far
>too many people who bested
>her in every season of
>the show, and specifically in
>this season.
>
>"So please please please everyone stop
>bringing up the race issue
>- it obscures the facts
>of what really happened and
>does a disservice to those
>cases where racism really is
>involved (which of course still
>does happen sadly)."
>
>Race obscures nothing here, it shines
>a light on the crux
>of this entire debacle.
>It provides the framework from
>where The Donald's racist comments
>about blacks and Jews sprang--comments
>that he has not refuted.
> He only told Larry
>King that it was "inappropriate"
>to bring race into this
>discussion. How can it be
>inappropriate when apparently his attitudes
>about blacks and Jews tells
>everything about his hiring patterns
>within the Trump organisation?
>
>If The Donald completely repudiates the
>statements that he made in
>the book, then I will
>feel differently about this entire
>set of developments.
>
>Randal and Marshawn and other black
>candidates will likely feel differently
>as well. They probably
>read these blogs, and they
>probably know about the horrible
>statements that The Donald made
>against blacks and Jews in
>that book. Larry King
>certainly knew something.
>
>The rest of America needs to
>know that The Donald's yammering
>about meritocracy has nothing to
>do with his true feelings
>toward minorities.
>
>--Singer “Race obscures nothing here, IT SHINES A LIGHT ON THE CRUX OF THIS ENTIRE DEBACLE. It provides the framework from where The Donald's racist comments about blacks and Jews sprang--comments that he has not refuted.” Singer,
This is the bottom line.
Seems as though some are in denial about what is really happening here.
SR
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